People Are Poor Because They Choose To Be?

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How often have you heard a conservative arguing that poor people *choose* to be poor and that they could easily not be if they had the proper will and work ethic?

I hear that more and more having moved to what is mostly an upper middle class suburb of Chicago. And when I ask these people if they believe they'd be in the same position had they grown up in poverty and squalor, they usually say "yes" (here and there an honest person says no).

At any rate, some fascinating new research further debunks the long held, widespread conservative belief that poverty is only about choice.


“Poverty in early childhood poisons the brain.” That was the opening of an article in Saturday’s Financial Times, summarizing research presented last week at the American Association for the Advancement of Science.

As the article explained, neuroscientists have found that “many children growing up in very poor families with low social status experience unhealthy levels of stress hormones, which impair their neural development.” The effect is to impair language development and memory — and hence the ability to escape poverty — for the rest of the child’s life.

So now we have another, even more compelling reason to be ashamed about America’s record of failing to fight poverty.

L. B. J. declared his “War on Poverty” 44 years ago. Contrary to cynical legend, there actually was a large reduction in poverty over the next few years, especially among children, who saw their poverty rate fall from 23 percent in 1963 to 14 percent in 1969.

But progress stalled thereafter: American politics shifted to the right, attention shifted from the suffering of the poor to the alleged abuses of welfare queens driving Cadillacs, and the fight against poverty was largely abandoned..."

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thats how people choose to be poor..

by Bungle on 02/19/2008 09:30:00 PM EST


If you're saying that millions and millions of Americans (who are poor or lower and solid middle class) have been duped into voting against their own economic interests (i.e. voting Republican), then yes, I completely agree.

In fact, the bottom 90% of Americans have been voting against their own economic interests for decades.

by ihavenobias on 02/19/2008 09:37:18 PM EST

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Sometimes the rich just don't get it.  Really.

That is the truth about one of my friends, a man for whom I have great personal respect.  I mean, I really like this guy.  He has great personal integrity because he has chosen to not be a criminal (I always respect someone who has had to make that choice versus someone who has never had to).  He loves his family dearly.  He cares about his employees and treats them well -- even when they let him down.  And he's smarter than I am -- which is a really hard thing for me to admit.

But he's got this one terrible blind spot.

In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, I was sitting in his office one day just shooting the bull, and we talked about it.  Now, I already know that he's a Republican who voted for Bush -- a vote for which he now has tremendous regret, by the way.  My friend respects intelligence and integrity, and knows that Bush has neither.  My friend also is a loyal American and believes that Bush is an anti-American corporat ist.

So there we were, talking about a mutual friend whose mother lives in New Orleans, and whose house was completely destroyed.  We talked about how we might help our friend.  And then he said, "But I really don't care about those people who chose to stay behind.  They don't want to work anyway."

I had never considered that he could think like that -- and it was the first time that I felt utterly speechless with him.  But I didn't want to talk.  I wanted to strangle him.

This was just after Barbara Bush had made her insultingly idiotic statement that the people who were suffering in the convention center were better off than before.

I spent several days thinking about what my friend and Barbara Bush had said, and about what they had in common, and it struck me: they really believe that because they really don't know.

What they do know is that there are opportunities everywhere and all you have to do is reach out and grab one and take it for a ride.  They can't imagine living in a world where opportunities don't exist or, if they do, they are reserved for others.  They have no frame of reference for what it is like to be poor and trapped forever in poverty.  Because of that, the only possible explanation they can come up with is:

The poor want to be poor.

It's been a long time since my friend and I had that conversation.  Since then, we've worked together quite closely and gotten a lot accomplished.  We've pissed each other off and made each other very happy.  And we've coexisted knowing that the other's political philosophy is just below the surface, waiting to jump out into an argument.

We've tested the waters a little bit, wondering if, when we jump in to those arguments again, it will damage our friendship.  We've been very careful up to now.  All we do is talk about subjects on which we both agree: immigration, for instance.  Education.  Stuff like that.  But he's still pissed from when I told him in 2000 that I wouldn't hire a janitor who'd lied on his job application -- because he knows now that I was right.  And I'm still pissed that he has no idea that some people have no opportunities.

But the real reason that we haven't talked about it is that I have no idea how to teach him a completely new idea:  poor people are poor because he is rich.

I know that when I present the logic to him, he'll be really pissed.   But he'll spend a few days mulling it over and, because the logic is flawless, he'll tell me what a rotten day he's having because some vendor has no idea what customer service is.

But I don't want us to be pissed at each other.  I like him a lot.  And we keep each other sane in the midst of miriad other problems.

by Juarez Traveller on 02/20/2008 04:44:33 AM EST


This?

"They can't imagine living in a world where opportunities don't exist or, if they do, they are reserved for others."

That is a perfect summation of what the "corporatists" and their Republican-voting shills fail to grasp, why their world view is so fatally and eternally flawed.  It's where the Libertarians fall short of the mark with their free-marketeering views, where they seem to believe that if you leave people to their own devices they won't happily get busy denying those opportunities to people they don't like--only this time without even the inadequate controls that currently exist.

Awesome post, man.

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by Spinny on 02/20/2008 07:48:29 AM EST

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...poor people are poor because he is rich.

Wrong. This is not a zero sum game we're playing. Wealth is being created. The economic pie keeps getting bigger.

by Twba on 02/20/2008 09:15:49 AM EST

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but only to an extent. At some point it's entirely possible for a select few to hoarde the pie.

This is amazingly described in irrefutable terms by the fact that the bottom 90% of Americans have not really benefitted much at all from the large economic growth from 1980 to 2005.

by ihavenobias on 02/20/2008 11:03:30 AM EST

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