Someone else sees Obama's Achilles heels

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I know that in the orgasmic delight many have in seeing Barack "The Magic Man" Hussein "It's not a Muslim name" Obama deliver his borrowed speeches with the oratory skills of the best of the Revival Preachers on the Southern circuit, some may not appreciate when reality rears it's ugly head and forces us to face the certain future.

I know that I'm am not the only member of this forum who has expressed my doubt at the viability of Barrack being able to stand up to the Republican Slime Machine. I also realize that the Primary season isn't over....But.

It was with mild amusement and a certain sense of vindication that I read this article in Huffington Post. I think Mr. Johnson has given us a peek at just what will be in the future for Barrack and his magic penis.

So as everyone thrashes about in the climatic celebration of showing the country just how hip and happening the Democratic Party is by once again nominating a candidate with enough baggage to make middle America uncomfortable, remembe r when the band stops playing and the balloons stop falling, there is still a general election that we have to face.

I understand how you could look at McCain and think it's a cake walk, but if anyone is paying attention, it becomes obvious that the Republicans are positioning McCain to the middle because America is tired of the Right. So they will pretend the Cons don't like him. Get Rush and Ann and all the other talking heads to tell America he isn't one of them while they advertise just how moderate he is which is were Middle America falls.

Then paint Barack as an extreme LIBERAL which makes Middle America just as  uncomfortable as extreme Conservative.

Does anyone REALLY think the Republican base is going to abandon the nominee. REALLY? YOU REALLY THINK THAT?

Republicans are not like Democrats who will vote for the equivalent of Ralph Nader on the Right just to spite The Party, Republicans will bitch and moan and vote like the good drones they are.

So go ahead and enjoy the post coital bliss you all appear to be feeling. I just hope you don't wake up with a hang over and realize the 10 you came home with last night is actually a 2 without the beer goggles.

I know, I know I'm just not has hip as I used to be or like days of future passed and similar to clapping and believing to bring Tinkerbell back, I would just allow myself to be caught up in the oratory orgasmatron that is Barack and allow myself to believe.
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Someone else sees Obama's Achilles heels | 71 comments (71 topical, 0 hidden)
I don't really get the sexual themes but... (none / 0)
I'm so tired of this conversation.  WE DON'T NOMINATE PEOPLE BASED ON WHAT WE THINK THE REPUBLICANS WILL SAY ABOUT THEM for the millionth time.  They smear everyone.  They're good at that shit.  Expect it.  But don't let that make you pick a more conservative candidate, unless you are actually more conservative, which is the entire reason we have a primary system.
But let's just nominate Lieberman.  The conservatives won't be so mean to him.

by Spencer on 02/19/2008 07:56:16 PM EST

Then don't comment (none / 0)
If you don't get the sexual themes you aren't paying attention but the most blatant one was when Chris Mathews said My, I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don't have that too often."

I realize we don't nominate based on what Republicans think. I DO REALIZE THAT WE KEEP NOMINATING WHO THE REPUBLICANS WANT US TO.

Time and again the press and the Democrats are masterfully manipulated and Democrats keep putting up the kind of nominee who will lose in the General.

So perhaps you can take your Righteous indignation and try to read what I'm trying to say, unless you enjoy not compromising your principles and allowing the Republicans to keep kicking our asses and destroying the Republic.

If you don't want to be part of the conversation, please feel free to ignore my comments. You are tired of this conversation I'm tired of watching my party get it's ass handed to it time and again.

Just for reference there are other qualified candidates in the party other than an inexperienced two year Senator, who gives a good speech.

by Hubble on 02/19/2008 08:10:51 PM EST

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AMEN Brother Hubble!!! (none / 0)
You just hit it on the head!!!

Spencer, Im sorry you dont want to hear it, but now Im not the only one saying it...Democrats need to wake up!!!!

Thank you Hubble for your insight. i tried, but I couldnt have said it better myself!!!

by bobo1 on 02/19/2008 08:35:42 PM EST

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Hubble is very intelligent. (none / 0)
I voted for Barack Obama today in the Texas primary.

Your first question might be "How were you able to vote today?"

Answer: Texas has early voting, two weeks prior to any election.

Your next question might be "Why did you vote for Obama?"

Answer: See Hubble's explanation, above.

Actually, Obama is a very likeable fellow, and he probably wouldn't do any worse than any other Democrat president. His greatest asset is that Barack is not Hillary.

We Republicans understand that Obama will be more difficult to defeat than Hillary, but we don't care. This country cannot endure another four years of the Clintons.

by KenTX on 02/19/2008 08:52:32 PM EST

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You know (none / 0)
When *you* endorse someone it's like our current president endorsing someone...it has the opposite effect.

No offense to Hubble.

by ihavenobias on 02/19/2008 09:40:35 PM EST

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My Theory (none / 0)

Ken's a closet lib.

Voting for Obama?

Dude, the points you make are so ridiculous I think you're just playing the t-ball tee for everyone. You're a lib and you're just here to spice things up. I get it now. 

by Randomambusher on 02/20/2008 05:25:24 AM EST

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I am indeed a liberal. (none / 0)
I'm the most liberal Republican you will ever meet.

I only care about two conservative issues.

1. Cutting taxes. (50% or more)

2. Killing al Qaeda and other Islamic jihadists. (everywhere in the world, including Iraq)

If the Democrat Party wants to embrace those two issues as the primary planks in their platform, then I am ready to join.

by KenTX on 02/20/2008 06:00:21 AM EST

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Wake up to what? (none / 0)

That the Republicans are going to attack him?  Duh!  I don't deny that.  But pointing it out over and over again means nothing to me.  It's OBVIOUS!  Haven't we had this discussion already in countless threads?

by Spencer on 02/20/2008 12:27:56 AM EST

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why dont you take your own advice (none / 0)
 To Liberal? What part of middle America are you talking about? He draws huge crowds. 3 times as many Democrats are voting than republicans this time around. He is beating hillary again and again and again.

The only ones that seem to be agreeing with you are the conservative trolls. Thats quite telling.

The republicans arent so masterful. They STOLE the election from AL Gore  Gore WON remember?

by Chinese Democracy on 02/19/2008 08:59:25 PM EST

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Uh, Tiny. (none / 0)
"3 times as many Democrats are voting than republicans this time around."
 
I'm not a Democrat, but I voted in the Democrat Primary. We're screwin' with you guys. We're messin' with your nomination process. I'm trying to use nice langauge, but we're having fun.

The GOP primary is over, McCain won.

Republicans are now voting in the Democrat primary. That's why your numbers are so high.

by KenTX on 02/19/2008 09:05:38 PM EST

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vote (none / 0)
Democratic Primary you douche!  I know conservatives just do that to get under people's skin, but improper english trickles down to laymen if blowhards keep talking like that.

by schmoab on 02/19/2008 09:11:22 PM EST

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Over time, (none / 0)
Conservatives will do to the word "Democrat" what we did to the word "liberal".

by KenTX on 02/19/2008 09:17:00 PM EST

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Bush (none / 0)

is also doing to the word conservative as conservatives did to the words liberal or Democrat.

Conservatives are creepy to main stream America these days.

by z1p101 on 02/19/2008 09:39:36 PM EST

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Oh I'm scared now... (none / 0)

Yeah I bet you will, just like you did for the words Watergate, wide stance and "Mission Acomplished" to name a few.

 

by MRFred on 02/19/2008 09:53:09 PM EST

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That's okay. (none / 0)

I propose that all liberals a progressives in this forum, whenever they use the word "Republican" always follow it immediatly with the word "scum", or a close derivative.

That way, it won't matter what you immoral, anti-American Republic an scumbags say about us.

by Juarez Traveller on 02/20/2008 12:29:27 AM EST

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I like this. It makes me happy. (none / 0)
When you resort to name calling, like a ten year old, it means you're really getting desperate.

You're getting uncomfortable, aren't you? Is it starting to play with your head? You don't seem to be enjoying the game?

By the way, just to let you know, we're not sprinting. This is a marathon, and the contest can go on for months, or even years.

Either you will become polite, or you will quit. They always do.

by KenTX on 02/20/2008 05:49:35 AM EST

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You've made another mistake, Ken. (none / 0)

I've made a prima facie case for both the "immoral" and "anti-American" claims.  And if those claims are true, then it's fair to call you "scumbags".

And you misjudge me: my objective is the destruction of the immoral, anti-American  Republican scumb ag Party.  I'm not going away.  But you do make my job very easy.

by Juarez Traveller on 02/20/2008 12:06:32 PM EST

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Oh Ken... (none / 0)
Don't out your master plans.  I love how you so revel in the smear that you put on us.  It's not that you think your ideas are right, or that you even really care enough to form ideas.  You just love the game and love winning.  Classic Republican.

by Spencer on 02/20/2008 12:31:14 AM EST

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Well it will be interesting... (none / 0)

either candidate will be subject to the right wing smear..no news there.

There is something genuienly different about this election...I can't put my finger on it...a simmering sense of anger and excitement...that Obama is tapping into.

I also think your giving the Republicans more credit than they deserve. They couldn't organize a panic after Bush has decimated the party and the economy.

The Repubs are trying to revive and play the terror card ...again. That dog wont hunt anymore.

The "surge is working" play appears it may backfire as well. The setiment here is Well crap..We cant leave Iraq when its it bad...we cant leave Iraq when its good...when the fuck can we leave? The populace has caught on

The variable is the economy. By the fall the economy may be in dire straights. I was reading some economic outlooks from my old schools col ledge of economics and business . I have never seen these guys so scared. The mortgage mess goes much much deeper than the Fed or Banks are letting on. Oil prices are not declining as predicted in a down turn by some of our head in sand crowd and credit is getting tighter and tighter..bad news.


So all those things considered,  I think those who underestimate Mr Obama and the mood of the nation do so at there own peril. Ask Mrs Clinton

You'll have to tell me how things come out...I wont be around in the fall and I wont be reading the news.

by MRFred on 02/19/2008 09:01:26 PM EST

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Fred, I accept alot of what you said, BUT.... (none / 0)
When you say "your giving the Republicans more credit than they deserve." I have to take issue.


As for as running a government I agree the Repugs suck, when it comes to running a campaign I would refer you to history.

As Mr. Johnson points out in the article this is the same party that pulled out Willie Horton, Linked a triple amputee and recipient of The Silver Star and The Bronze Star with Osama. Painted Kerry another decorated military hero as a fraud. Those are just a few highlights of the Rethug smear machine.

After all of that you think I'm giving them too much credit?

I'm praying I'm wrong. I'm hoping that this time the great masses of the uninformed won't buy into the bullshit, but if history is any indication they will be the good sheaple they have always been and believe the propaganda that is being catapulted at them.

What bothers me is that there is an attitude of invincibility among the obamamaniacs that I have witnessed before, usually before an unexpected defeat.

by Hubble on 02/19/2008 09:51:44 PM EST

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You guys never see it coming. (none / 0)
We keep running a simple off tackle, and for some reason, you guys can't stop it. We always go after an opponent on his strength.

"Kerry was a big "war hero"? Oh yeah, we'll see about that!"

"Hillary wants to give every American free health care? Oh yeah, we'll see about that!"

"Barack wants to pull every troop out of the Middle East? Oh yeah, we'll see about that!"

"Max Clelland loves America? Oh yeah, we'll see about that!"

by KenTX on 02/19/2008 10:01:56 PM EST

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Oh no Ken (none / 0)

The people who are seeing it come are the same who you depend on.

The suburban people no longer identify with Republicans. From your own link. 

by z1p101 on 02/19/2008 10:07:07 PM EST

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Oh "we" see it coming... (none / 0)

it just doesnt matter. The dynamic is different, and "you guys" are simply too obtuse to figure it out.

 

by MRFred on 02/19/2008 10:34:54 PM EST

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Finally. (none / 0)

You admit to your fundamental immorality.

Thank you.

by Juarez Traveller on 02/20/2008 12:33:45 AM EST

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Are tax cuts (none / 0)
really worth such destructive, disgusting politics?

by jarett on 02/20/2008 05:24:32 AM EST

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destructive, disgusting politics? (none / 0)
That was invented by Bill and Hillary Clinton.

We just learned to fight fire with fire.

by KenTX on 02/20/2008 05:53:56 AM EST

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Yes (none / 0)

and later Bill and Monica got together and invented the blow job.

That is the dumbest thing I have ever seen said on this board.

by z1p101 on 02/20/2008 08:49:39 AM EST

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Oh, please! (none / 0)
Ugly politics were around even before Rove's daddy started molesting him.  Rove is just one of the more blatant current examples.  The Clintonistas aren't even on the same playing field.

"If you're not pumped up, then get the hell out, 'cause you don't belong here." -- Cenk Uygur

by Spinny on 02/20/2008 08:54:13 AM EST

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One more thing... (none / 0)

Im watching McCains victory speach...his wife is on the podium and I got to tell you she is really really creepy..she look's like Tammy Faye, God rest her soul.

 

by MRFred on 02/19/2008 09:13:58 PM EST

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Cindy McCain (none / 0)
is worth $60 million, and she is approaching 60 years old.

I think she's holding pretty well for her age.

Compare her with Hillary Clinton or Theresa Heinz Kerry.

by KenTX on 02/19/2008 09:22:56 PM EST

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60 mil... (none / 0)

you think she could get someone to show her how to put on her eye makeup.

I not sure why I need to compare her with Clinton of Kerry..but if bucks are the yardstick...Kerry kicks Cindies ass.

Did she make the 60 mil on Savings and Loan investments?

by MRFred on 02/19/2008 09:37:55 PM EST

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In other words (none / 0)
ensuring that Team Republican wins is the goal even if it means America loses.

by ihavenobias on 02/19/2008 10:05:57 PM EST

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Yes, tonight Cindy *did* look creepy, didn't she? (none / 0)
I made the same comment to my GF who was sitting next to me and she whole heartedly agreed.

At any rate, I agree that I'm concerned that McCain is being painted as a maverick when he clearly isn't (hello permanent tax cuts and torture), and that many Americans may well be into that BS and believe he's reasonable and moderate.

At the same time, while Huckabee is continuing to keep McCain in the news, he's also moving McCain further right, giving Obama's staff plenty of sound bites and votes to add to their arsenal. 

Finally, I'm REALLY fucking tired of the "all style no substance" charge leveled against Obama by his detractors.  Ironically, that claim itself is all style and no substance, as I've explained previously.

by ihavenobias on 02/19/2008 09:38:56 PM EST

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She looked like she died in the 60s (none / 0)
I thought exactly the same thing about McCains wife.  her explanation on what she meant by proud of her country ( actually an attack on Obamas wife) was such a fabrication. It shows what they are all about.

by Chinese Democracy on 02/19/2008 10:35:32 PM EST

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The real question is (none / 0)

Where is McCains daughter?  Doesn't he know where his bread is buttered?  Put her hot ass on stage.  It won't make me vote for you, but at least it would distract from McCain saying "my friends" a thousand times and leering creepily into the camera.

by Spencer on 02/20/2008 12:37:03 AM EST

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That was funny (none / 0)
AND true!

by ihavenobias on 02/20/2008 10:49:20 AM EST

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There's just something about Obama.... (none / 0)
that drives a number of liberal baby boomer crazy.  I don't know what it is, but I see it all the time.  At one moment they get all wrapped up in Obama's message like they're back in the sixties and then at the drop of a dime they'll turn to Hillary for safety and claim her path is the only viable option....

by rev24 on 02/19/2008 08:02:51 PM EST

This sums it up nicley for me (none / 0)
"What Mrs. Clinton has that Mr. Obama does not have, Mr. Obama can get. What Mr. Obama has that Mrs. Clinton does not have, she can never get."

by Chinese Democracy on 02/19/2008 08:09:04 PM EST

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I thought so too (none / 0)
I saw that blog too.  He really got to the nub of the matter, didn't he?  An excellent post.

by bfaul on 02/20/2008 02:58:54 PM EST

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Hubble (none / 0)

" I know that in the orgasmic delight many have in seeing Barack "The Magic Man" Hussein"

I'm getting awfully tired of seeing people say shit like this.  If you want to vote for Hillary vote for Hillary, who the hell is stopping you?  But don't sit here and pretend that those of us who think Obama sounds more reasonable and seems a better prospect for leading us out of the Bush/Clinton disfunctional national schizoid era we've been treated to for the last two decades are groupies who don't know how to choose a candidate based on his/her merit.

Why don't you leave that republican habit of framing and diminishing people and candidates that you don't support to the goddamned neocons?  If Hillary wins the nomination I'll vote for her since I think she's easily more intelligent and a stronger personality than John McCain.  I don't feel a need to belittle her just because I happen to think the other guy is a better choice.  

by bfaul on 02/19/2008 10:37:49 PM EST

put your fingers in your ears and humm (none / 0)
"I'm getting awfully tired of seeing people say $h!t like this."

Are you trying to abridge Hubble's right to free speech?

Does this mean you are unwilling to listen to alternative viewpoints?

Congratulations! That makes you a classic liberal.

by KenTX on 02/19/2008 10:45:03 PM EST

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Don't (none / 0)

take the bait.

Let him answer to some of the more important points around here. 

by z1p101 on 02/19/2008 10:58:55 PM EST

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"Ignore him!" (none / 0)
"He's just rolling on the floor and laughing at us because we are eating each other."

by KenTX on 02/19/2008 11:12:01 PM EST

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KenTX (none / 0)

does his best Glenn Close impersonation.

Ken

zippy, I will not be ignored!!!! 

by z1p101 on 02/20/2008 12:21:52 AM EST

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I never understood how *she* got that role (none / 0)
in fatal attraction. Not that she didn't act well, she acted very well.  But why the f(*& would Michael Douglas cheat on his reasonably attractive wife with a reasonably unnatractive woman?

I guess men everywhere learned their lesson after that movie, and now realize it's not worth cheating (unless the girl is MORE attractive than their current wife).  ;)

by ihavenobias on 02/20/2008 10:51:20 AM EST

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I'm with bfaul here (none / 0)
Jesus fucking keerist on a crutch.  Maybe some people need to realize this country TEEMS with people who have actually gone to Obama's web site, listened to his substantive speeches, and see him as SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY HAS A PLAN, AND A BETTER ONE THAN HILLARY'S.

It's so indie/trendy/cool to turn one's nose up at a popular movement, and to disparage the motives of the people caught up in it, like they're part of the elite few who see the real truth.  Oh, if only everyone were as perceptive as moi!

Give me a break, already.  

"If you're not pumped up, then get the hell out, 'cause you don't belong here." -- Cenk Uygur

by Spinny on 02/20/2008 08:43:28 AM EST

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You stole a point I was going to make (none / 0)
Because the movement is so popular, some people are becoming annoyingly contrarian (like goth kids in high school) in response to annoying popularity from some Obama supporters.

Are *some* people caught up in the popularity stuff?  Yes, I don't doubt that.  But to suggest that ALL Obama supporters are this way?  Ridiculous.

And to be fair, not all of those who are against Obama are just being contrarians, but when they make a particular argument that involves Obama-ites/Cult Of Obama (or some variation of those terms) it's clear who's who.

by ihavenobias on 02/20/2008 10:55:20 AM EST

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Exactly! (none / 0)
Like goths in high school.  Perfect.

by Spencer on 02/20/2008 02:37:36 PM EST

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Please don't throw me in the briar patch! (none / 0)
I love this line:

"So, while Democrats engage in self-censorship and promote the worst kind of affirmative action pandering in promoting the myth of Obama, the Republicans are keeping mum and, like Brer Rabbit, begging not to be tossed into the briar patch and face the fearsome Obama."

Zippy, as I type this post, I am smiling.

By the way, how many millions of dollars of Democrat money are these two campaigns burning through every week?

The GOP's new cheer: "All the way to September!"

by KenTX on 02/19/2008 11:08:55 PM EST

zippppyyyyy! zippppyyyyy! (none / 0)
where's zippy?
Where are you zippy?

You're awfully quiet tonight.

Cat got your tongue?

by KenTX on 02/19/2008 11:22:40 PM EST

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Aww Ken (none / 0)

Did I strike a nerve tonight? I'm sorry.

Do you see the writing on the wall?

McCain is going to be running as the pro war, pro torture, pro big brother, pro borrow and spend, pro big government, anti change fossil that he is.

There will be no democrat VP for him because the people who are still voting for Huckabee will insist on one of there own to show up.

Sorry man, that is the way it is. Doesn't really matter who is running against him.

McCain could still win if everything goes exactly his way from now on but the news on the economy and Iraq is not favoring him. 

by z1p101 on 02/19/2008 11:49:04 PM EST

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moron (none / 0)
Since you are such a technology expert Im quite surprised ( ok not really) to see that you cant even re size a damn picture.

by Chinese Democracy on 02/19/2008 11:49:38 PM EST

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You know (none / 0)
He leaves them big to ensure that he gets his fix of attention for the night.

by Spencer on 02/20/2008 12:41:17 AM EST

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The counter strategy is simple. (none / 0)

We tell the story of one person, a Canadian, who was tortured and found to be completely innocent.  We tell that story over and over.

And then we tell how John McCain is a hipocrit who voted to torture people.

Then we tell the story of the prisoners who were tortured to death.  We tell that story over and over.

And then we tell how John McCain is a hipocrit who voted to torture people.

Then we have victim after victim after victim of torture -- it doesn't matter where they come from -- talk about how horrible their experience was. We tell those stories over and over.

And then we tell how John McCain is a hipocrit who voted to torture people.

Those immoral, anti-American Republican scumbags will roast in Hell, which is exactly where they belong.

by Juarez Traveller on 02/20/2008 12:46:14 AM EST

Now you've got the idea! (none / 0)
That's exactly how to go after an opposing candidate's perceived strength. The problem is when the volume of evidence to the contrary completely derails your argument.

Example 1:
Example 2:
Example 3:
Example 4:

by KenTX on 02/20/2008 01:12:41 AM EST

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Hmm... (none / 0)

Funny that all those clips took place before he voted for it.  Funny...

Love watching you act like you support McCain though.  Priceless. 

by Spencer on 02/20/2008 01:17:14 AM EST

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Damn. (none / 0)

I thought I smelled that odor of Republican scum around here.  Thanks for spraying it for me, Spence.

by Juarez Traveller on 02/20/2008 03:26:46 AM EST

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link please? (none / 0)
"We tell the story of one person, a Canadian, who was tortured and found to be completely innocent."

Are you talking about this guy?

by KenTX on 02/20/2008 01:23:19 AM EST

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Here's what I want to know (none / 0)
Are you so knee-jerk anti-Obama that you REALLY think he's going to be a bad president (or anything less than a great president)?  REALLY?  YOU REALLY THINK THAT?

Just calm down, Hubs.  Obama is going to get the nomination and presidency, and he is also going give us 8 years of restored democracy and competence -- dare I say it, excellence -- in government.

After watching him, reading his record and reading his biography, I feel entirely comfortable saying this.

by jarett on 02/20/2008 05:15:47 AM EST

Yesterday's paper (none / 0)
Working-class white men make up nearly one-quarter of the electorate, outnumbering African-American and Hispanic voters combined. As the Democratic primary race intensifies, some of these white men are finding it hard to identify with the remaining two candidates, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama.

[. . .]

"I think if we nominate one of these two, we are talking about McCain as president," says Bob Rodkey, a firefighter who doesn't like either candidate but plans to vote for Sen. Clinton in the primary. "I talk to a lot of my Democratic friends and they are going to cross over in November or not vote at all." [WSJ]

by Twba on 02/20/2008 09:39:04 AM EST

Murdoch (none / 0)
now owns the WSJ. You may as well quote The National Enquirer.

by z1p101 on 02/20/2008 09:53:51 AM EST

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Anecdotal evidence is no evidence at all (none / 0)
Although scientific polls are far from perfect, a couple of them that each showed this trend in unambiguous terms, corroborating each other, would carry a lot more weight with me than some random firefighter and "a lot of" his friends.

"If you're not pumped up, then get the hell out, 'cause you don't belong here." -- Cenk Uygur

by Spinny on 02/20/2008 09:58:18 AM EST

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Wait, wait, don't tell us! (none / 0)
You're going to "reluctantly" crossover and vote for McCain, right Joe?

by bfaul on 02/20/2008 10:29:18 AM EST

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Reality check (none / 0)
You're going to "reluctantly" crossover and vote for McCain...

It doesn't matter who I vote for. McCain will win my state by a quarter million votes.

by Twba on 02/20/2008 11:32:46 AM EST

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your state is going to vote for Obama (none / 0)
From MSNBC's Norah O'Donnell and Adam Verdugo
Obama chalked up his ninth straight victory and won in this predominantly white state with a strong showing across a broad spectrum of voters and by eating into Hillary Clinton's base of support. He nearly tied her among women, won on all of the issues and won every income level. He also won the white vote under-60.

First, the independents: One-in-four voters call themselves independents in this open primary and tonight, Obama took nearly two-thirds.

Second, white voters: He did very well among white men with 62% of their vote to Clinton's 36%. Remember those Edwards voters? At least among white men, it looks like at least some of them are going for Obama. Clinton, though, still took a plurality of white women (53%-45%).

Obama also made inroads with one core constituency of Clinton's: white working-class voters (households making under $50k/yr). Clinton still edged him out 51% to 48%, but Obama had a strong showing. He won white households making more than $50k/yr -- 56% to 48%.

by Chinese Democracy on 02/20/2008 12:38:45 PM EST

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Dispatch from a red state (none / 0)
My state is most likely going to be an easy win for McCain, for obvious reasons.

by Twba on 02/22/2008 10:21:05 AM EST

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What about McCains Achilles Heel? (none / 0)
You ever heard of the Keating 5 and the Savings and Loan Scandal?

When it comes to the mud McCain has a lot more to worry about than Obama. For one, he has to explain why the hell he shouldn't have gone to jail for his role in that scandal. Could it be that bailing out the criminal Neil Bush, (Yeah Dubs bro and the then VP's son) had something to do with it?

by Tom Paine Jr on 02/20/2008 12:19:25 PM EST

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I agree that many Democrats are underestimating the Republicans in the general election.  Frankly I put Obama at even odds against McCain (hillary is 2 to 1 against).  Yes you heard right, even after 8 years of completely incompetent republican rule they still have at least a 50% chance of retaining the presidency. 

I will admit that Obama makes a GREAT speach and he really does sound presidential.  Unfortunatly his speaches get old by the time you've heard them the 4th time (they're all pretty much all the same).  The real wild card will be how effectively the republican slime sticks to him.  I want to believe that the country has grown up and sees through this BS, but deep down I realize that at least 50% of the country are morons and will believe damn near anything. 

On the plus side McCain isn't the worst thing that could happen to the country.  He has a history of working with democrats (who will almost certainly still hold an increased control over congress) and is faily moderate on most issues. 

by alphasigmookie on 02/20/2008 12:58:21 PM EST

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is made up of morons, why would also believe that most people will grow tired (as you have) of Obama's brilliant speeches after they hear them a few times?

Put a couple of thoughts behind it, you can't have it both ways IMO.

by ihavenobias on 02/20/2008 01:15:37 PM EST

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Because hes a libertarian or racist or both?

by Chinese Democracy on 02/20/2008 01:39:26 PM EST

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Oh wait morons don't listen to speeches they're too busy watching American Idol and Big Brother! 

The real question will be if Obama can dumb down his speeches and fit them into the 30 second format so that he might be able to reach them before their attention span runs out. 

The reason the Republicans usually win is that they have realized that they can capture the top 2% (who consequently have most of the money) by lowering their taxes and the lowest 50% by scaring them into thinking that the other guy is either...going to take their guns, want's to force them to marry a gay person, or will allow terrorists to kill us all.

by alphasigmookie on 02/20/2008 03:08:01 PM EST

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