Is Ron Paul a Victim of His Own Success?

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Ok.... so I will give in and talk about Ron Paul.  Though I've always felt like he was a registered republican's last-minute excuse for an anti-war candidate.  Where were they four years ago?  Are they voting McCain now?

Isn't it incredible the steam this man has generated from people that apparently woke-up and realized you could have a sack of balls and be against the war?  Be against the unconditional support of all Israeli policy?

Shame they didn't notice Dennis Kucinich or Mike Gravel. 

As of late, on places like Reddit and Digg, I read everyday things like:

"The Media picks the president by choosing who to cover, show in a good light/bad light."


Are these people delusional?  If you listen to Ron Paul then you would understand he would DO NOTHING to remedy this media bias. He is anti-FCC which in years past would have required "equal time" for him. I'm sorry but my biggest problems with this man are his priorities.

He seems to think that "good will" or the competitive nature of capitalism will level the playing field. I got news for you.

His way of thinking is the very reason this is possible.    Ron Paul is to blame for his demise.  Much like Affirmative Action (which Paul is also against) the FCC needs to be in place because our nation is not as sophisticated as Dr. Paul suggests it is. 

It seems to me most Ron Paul supporters just don't get it.  They just don't understand the entire scope of Dr. Paul's vision or the journey it would require to get there.   Ple ase if you are against the war, just suck it in and vote for Obama.  I know he isn't as liberal as you like but at the very least he will look different doing it. 




*Please donate any remaining dollars to Dennis Kucinich so he can be re-elected in Ohio.

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Paul (none / 0)
I understand what Paul is for, and I fully endorse him! I hope he runs in the general election to stop McStain from defeatng Hilda-beast or Obama.

by acroso on 02/06/2008 11:29:28 AM EST

Your are as full of shit as a Christmas turkey... (none / 0)

Huck is dead anywhere but in Iowa. If he wins Iowa then he slows Romney down and turns it into a mud pit with Thompson gaining steam, himself and Romney slugging it out, and than Giuliani will plow through the late states and win easy.I think the race is between Rudy and Romney. 

Posted after NH

It's just a matter of time until Romney wraps this thing up.

I find Ron Paul to be the most radical of any of the candidates. Get rid of Medicaid and Medicare? Give me a break. Even Tancredo wouldn't do that. He wants a total free-market in the U.S. and totally open borders in the sense that the country should be totally free. This is so unrealistic it's not even funny.I also think his national security ideology is somewhere to the left of Hillary\Edwards etc, which makes him totally unreasonable.

I find his ideology (Paul) to be utterly radical.

I'm voting Paul.

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by MRFred on 02/06/2008 07:32:08 PM EST

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But WAIT theres More! (none / 0)

This is the weakest crop of Rats the liberals have put forward yet.

Just because you side with the terrorists instead of Bush ...

All of these Democrats have changed their positions from demanding driver's licenses for the terrorists to now demanding not only driver's licenses but also citizenship for them.

Not that the Dems are that much better. Witness dem leader San Fran Nan in Burka.Aiding and abetting terrorists since 06' 

America will have to choose between an aggresive war on terror (Republicans) or driver's licenses for the terrorists (Clinton.)

Voting for Democrats are at best like voting for street bums and at worst a lot like voting for terrorists.

Muslim Terrorists have endorsed the Beast ( Sen Clinton) for president because she will do what they want.

Acroso 

by MRFred on 02/06/2008 07:47:25 PM EST

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Who cares, as long as he's a victim? (none / 0)
This nut may not believe in fairies and the supernatural, but his mind has taken off on a mystical flight of impossible fancy nonetheless.

He really does believe that libertarianism can work.  Of course, in order to believe that you also have to believe that it's possible for damned near all consumers to have perfect knowledge of the market -- completely real time and all-inclusive -- and always to make the best decision for their interests.

All of the economic models of libertarian systems that I've seen show that if this is not true, then things get very bad very quickly.  We know that neither of those premises are true.  To even consider trying libertarianism is completely irresponsible.

But I don't think it's necessary to lock him up in lieu of outpatient psychiatric treatment.  He's not necesarily a danger to others as long as he's not in public office.

...uh oh...

by Juarez Traveller on 02/06/2008 12:17:15 PM EST

bingo (none / 0)
and building off that...

most people smart enough to know who ron paul is are smart enough to know he's batshit loco.

by mathcore on 02/06/2008 05:13:17 PM EST

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What success (none / 0)
The topic of the thread is a misnomer . It supposes  Ron Paul was having any success in his bid for president.

by Chinese Democracy on 02/06/2008 12:35:09 PM EST

well he's done one thing right (none / 0)
He's managed to part a lot of fools from a lot of money.  If he had his way he'd be way more dangerous than even 9ui11iani as president, which far outweighs any credit he might get for being right on the war for the wrong reasons.

by ynp7 on 02/07/2008 01:58:42 AM EST

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Ron Paul is not a viable candidate (none / 0)

He caused a sensation on the 'net, but he never got the voter turnout. It'll be McCain vs. Obama or Clinton. 

 

 

by genxtargetmarket on 02/06/2008 02:32:25 PM EST

Puerto Rico (none / 0)

...and Puerto Rico will determine whether it's Obama or Clinton.

 

...but Paul is a viable candidate because he might just suck enough votes from McCain to keep him out of the WH...hopefully that is! 

by acroso on 02/06/2008 05:32:52 PM EST

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Lunatic Fringe (none / 0)

Paul is so far out in right field that no one in their right mind would support him. That of course explains your support.

Explain this lie of yours for our readers::

Liberals think our troops are like Nazis or at least Durbin does. He wants Osama to kill as many of the evil U.S. troops as they can.

Show us the documentation where Durbin ever stated  wrote or spoke the words that  he wants Osama to kill as many of the evil U.S. troops as they can.

Show us where any " liberal" or anyone else in the Democratic Party stated they want Osama to kill as many of the evil U.S. troops as they can.

by MRFred on 02/06/2008 06:37:05 PM EST

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We "liberal" troops and veterans... (none / 0)
...who also happen to be Democrats just might have an opinion on that kind of nonsense--of cooooooooourse.  I don't recall ever wanting to become one of Osama's victims, nopenope.  Who would ever go on record with such a ridiculous statement? <peers>

SAM: What's new, Normie?
NORM: Terrorists, Sam. They've taken over my stomach and they're demanding beer.

by Spinny on 02/06/2008 06:44:13 PM EST

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RIGHT Field? (none / 0)
90% of Ron Paul supporters c all themselves "9/11 Truthers".

Acroso thinks some of his fellow Ron Paul Nutters would have voted for John McCain? Not a single one of them would ever vote Republican.

In fact, I think its highly likely that Acroso has never voted for a Republican.

by KenTX on 02/06/2008 07:00:20 PM EST

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That makes no sense, Ken. (none / 0)
"Not a single one of them would ever vote Republican."

I think it's safe to assume they voted for Ron Paul himself, who is currently a Republican.

SAM: What's new, Normie?
NORM: Terrorists, Sam. They've taken over my stomach and they're demanding beer.

by Spinny on 02/06/2008 07:04:13 PM EST

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Surprise!! (none / 0)
Ron Paul is my congressman!

Allow me to explain it again.

Ron Paul will doubtless run as a 3rd Party Libertarian in 2008. He will not earn votes from people who would have voted Republican were he not in the race.

His votes will come from 9/11 Truthers, who would have voted Democrat.

by KenTX on 02/06/2008 07:10:27 PM EST

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And why would ... (none / 0)
... 9/11 "truther" nutters vote Democrat normally?  I see them as largely synonymous with the militia movement and other "freedom" movements, all of which tend to the right of the spectrum, as do libertarians et al.  I personally never heard more "truther" silliness than the period I spent listening to the "Free Talk Live" podcast, which is heavily right wing/libertarian (granted the silliness was from the call ins, not the hosts).  You're not thinking the loony lefties like Rosanne really make up the bulk of that silliness, do you?

SAM: What's new, Normie?
NORM: Terrorists, Sam. They've taken over my stomach and they're demanding beer.

by Spinny on 02/06/2008 07:16:24 PM EST

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inside baseball (none / 0)
Both my wife and my son supported Ron Paul at one time.

My wife attended Ron Paul meet-ups in Austin, and she said that all of his supporters are a bunch of crazy Bush haters. Not a goddam one of them voted Bush in 2004.

My wife quit Ron Paul after meeting his supporters.

My son is a Ron Paul campaign worker in Tennessee. He voted for Kerry in 2004. All of his fellow Ron Paul enthusiasts voted for John Kerry.

A Ron Paul third party candidacy will pick the pocket of Democrats. Viva Ron Paul!!!

by KenTX on 02/06/2008 07:25:12 PM EST

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Interesting stuff (none / 0)
I wonder why Paul didn't use the Dems as his vehicle, then.  Odd.

SAM: What's new, Normie?
NORM: Terrorists, Sam. They've taken over my stomach and they're demanding beer.

by Spinny on 02/06/2008 07:28:05 PM EST

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Ron Paul is a GOP congressman. (none / 0)
His only claim to fame was showing up at the GOP debates and proposing that all US military personnel be taken out of the Middle East.

If he had changed parties and tried the same thing at the Democrat debate, he would never have been noticed.

by KenTX on 02/06/2008 07:34:01 PM EST

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I doubt if acroso has ever voted...period. (none / 0)
In FL at least...you cant register to vote if you are mentally incapacitated.

by MRFred on 02/06/2008 07:16:04 PM EST

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Heh (none / 0)

I like this.

"Not a single one of them would ever vote Republican."

I'm very sure that Paul could take votes away from Republicans. The Libertarian wing, the Minuteman wing, the gun crazy militia wing, etc.

Ken has recently realized that the only way Republicans can ever hold the White House is nominating the biggest RINO there party has ever seen.  Ken has even argued that John "RINO" McCain needs to pick a running mate even more left that he is.

The traditional Republican voters have voiced there opinion on McCain on super Tuesday and we know what they think of him. 

The House and Senate are going to pick up more Democratic seats in November. I can link to people on both the left and the right that will agree with me. More Democrats in the congress plus a RINO in the White House, all I can say is wow.

Ken, you are the endangered species in your own party and I hope it does not drive you insane.  

by z1p101 on 02/07/2008 01:13:08 AM EST

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keeping it simple (none / 0)
Ron Paul is running on a single issue: Bring all military personnel back to America, immediately.

Republicans care about two issues:

1. Cutting Taxes.

2. Killing Terrorists.

by KenTX on 02/07/2008 04:23:04 AM EST

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Required because Republicans are simpletons... (none / 0)
You forgot the part about not wrecking the country while attemping to do it

by MRFred on 02/07/2008 06:46:29 AM EST

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right (none / 0)

1) Greed

2) Fear

 

Yeah, that about sums it up. 

by bfaul on 02/07/2008 03:52:28 PM EST

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Hey! I Understand Ron Paul Supporters Now! (none / 0)
"Not a single one of them would ever vote Republican."

This makes perfect sense!  Okay, here it is:

Libertarians want to deregulate just about everything, right?  And they want smaller government, too.  Well, Republicans support deregulation and smaller government (Well, at least in theory.  I think that conservatives -- as opposed to neocons -- realize that Bush Jr. was a terrible mistake for their goals).  What's more, it's always Democrats who want more regulation and bigger government.  Right?  Sure!

Therefore Libertarians and Republicans are natural allies, and both are natural enemies of Democrats.

So why would Libertarians vote Democratic rather than for a conservative Republican, even one like McCain who supports at least some of their objectives?

Well, I figured it out.  As soon as I saw the KenTX had proffered this seemingly ridiculous idea, it hit me: If Ken says it then it absolutely is ridiculous, and that's why it must be true!  Just look at their current "leader", Ron Paul.  This guy is absolutely looney tunes, right?  And to support this nut for the Presidency, you've got to be nuts too, right?  Therefore, since Ron Paul's supporters are nuts, they would vote Democratic instead of Republican if Ron Paul didn't run.

See?

Sometimes it takes a nut like KenTX to help us understand other nuts.  Thanks, Ken!

by Juarez Traveller on 02/07/2008 02:43:36 AM EST

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Durbin (none / 0)
Durbin called our troops Nazis right? I was making a joke about him calling them Nazis!

by acroso on 02/06/2008 08:03:58 PM EST

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Liar : Prove it! (none / 0)

Where did Durbin call our troops Nazi's? Show us the statement. Let me help you from the Congressional Record

“If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime — Pol Pot or others — that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners.

So, show us a reference.

where liberals Democrats or Senator Durbin  or any one else said wrote or otherwise implied that:

Liberals think our troops are like Nazis or at least Durbin does. He wants Osama to kill as many of the evil U.S. troops as they can.

Oh BTW From Attorney General nominee Michael Mukasey’s confirmation hearings

"got underway this morning, and Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Pat Leahy (D-Vt.) explored Mukasey’s position on administration torture policies. 

Not only did Michael Mukasey repudiate the so-called 2002 “torture memo” signed by Office of Legal Counsel chief Jay Bybee — which appears to have survived in spirit, if not in letter — but he compared U.S. torture to the Holocaust.

Most significantly, Mukasey said that he is unaware of any inherent commander-in-chief authority to override legal restrictions on torture — a huge repudiation of Dick Cheney, David Addington and John Yoo’s perspective on broad constitutional powers possessed by the president in wartime — or to immunize practitioners of torture from prosecution. That answer is sure to create anxiety inside the CIA, where many interrogators fear that they will be brought up on charges for carrying out interrogation methods earlier approved by the administration.

The Bybee memo is “worse than a sin, it’s a mistake,” Mukasey said. He referenced the photographs taken by U.S. troops who liberated the Nazi concentration camps in 1945 to document the “barbarism” the U.S. opposed. “They didn’t do that so that we could then duplicate it ourselves.” Beyond legal restrictions barring torture clearly, torture is “antithetical to everything this country stands for.” Link

 


by MRFred on 02/06/2008 08:30:58 PM EST

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apologized (none / 0)
Durbin apologized for his remarks comparing U.S. troops to Nazis. (link)

by acroso on 02/06/2008 09:42:55 PM EST

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so? (none / 0)
and if i put up a video of bush with the thanksgiving turkey for the troops and titled it, "BUSH SHITS IN A TURKEY AND MAKES OUR TROOPS EAT IT" does the story suddenly change because of the story's title?

no, just like a misleading (and wrong) title for that video isn't gonna to change the fact durbin never called our troops nazis.

by mathcore on 02/06/2008 11:54:56 PM EST

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Where's your aplogy? LIar (none / 0)

That was no "joke" Thanks for the link to the video which the transcript is contained in Congression Record I quoted you moron.

Durbin apologized for any misunderstanding generated by your right wing mouths like Rove and Limbaugh...i

He never compared the troops to Nazis...just more mindless regurgitation of Limbaugh spew plus an out right lie... 

So, show us a reference.

where liberals Democrats or Senator Durbin  or any one else said wrote or otherwise implied that:

Liberals think our troops are like Nazis or at least Durbin does. He wants Osama to kill as many of the evil U.S. troops as they can.

Show us where anyone at TYT, in Democratic party...myself said we want Osama to kill as many of the evil U.S. troops as they can.

Show us some demands for apologies from your brain dead idols that the Attorney General of the United States apologize for the same type of comment.

If not aplogize for you remarks.

by MRFred on 02/07/2008 06:44:11 AM EST

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By the way (none / 0)

I guess this was a "joke" as well

 

Dems think our troops are "Nazis"

 

You such a lying assclown its not even funny. 

by MRFred on 02/07/2008 06:24:04 PM EST

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More Deep Thoughts (none / 0)

Huck is dead anywhere but in Iowa. If he wins Iowa then he slows Romney down and turns it into a mud pit with Thompson gaining steam, himself and Romney slugging it out, and than Giuliani will plow through the late states and win easy.

 I think the race is between Rudy and Romney. acroso

 

by MRFred on 02/06/2008 07:11:45 PM EST

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schedule (none / 0)

Puerto Rico is 63 delegate winner take all...so it's essentially a king-maker. But also Guam is inbetween some primary days and kinda is out on its own and is three delegates....are these Demorats going to fly all the way to GUAM>?!

 

What about the Vigin Islands....they have 9 delegates....

 

Will Obama and Clinton go top Puerto Rico...?

 

It's the most valuable prize left by far since it's winner take all. 

by acroso on 02/06/2008 05:41:29 PM EST

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Still waiting... (none / 0)

So, show us a reference.

where liberals Democrats or Senator Durbin  or any one else said wrote or otherwise implied that:

Liberals think our troops are like Nazis or at least Durbin does. He wants Osama to kill as many of the evil U.S. troops as they can.

Show us where anyone at TYT, in Democratic party...myself said we want Osama to kill as many of the evil U.S. troops as they can.

by MRFred on 02/07/2008 06:54:12 AM EST

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