Conservative Dopes Take Note: Obama's Crazees Vs McCain's Crazees

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Conservative dopes (and many Hillary supporters of course) are rejoicing today over the (dumb) comments made by Obama's Pastor Wright.

But should they be so giddy?

In short, no, they shouldn't, for a couple of reasons.

First off, Obama is likely to be the Democratic nominee, barring grand theft election by Hillary Clinton.

So no one should be rooting for anything potentially damaging to him, unless of course they'd prefer John McCain to become the next president.  Which brings me to my second point.

If you want to compare crazy religious figures and their influence on Obama and McCain, it's no contest.  McCain wins (or loses I should say) for having more craziness behind him.

Of course the resident conservatives here don't see it that way (you know who you are).  But let's say Pastor Wright really does hate Whites/White America.  He's an idiot, but do you think Obama is going to push for a Hate-Whitey bill? Or a Black-Supremacy bill? In what way will Obama's pastor influence Obama's presidency in any damaging way?

By contrast, do you think bomb-bomb-bomb-Iran--there will be more wars-McCain might start another war in the Middle East, which happens to be desired not only by Rev. Hagee (the guy who wants to expedite the rapture through more Middle Eastern conflict), but also by McCain's "spiritual guide" Rod Parsley (who thinks America is based on fighting Islam)?

Exactly.
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Conservative Dopes Take Note: Obama's Crazees Vs McCain's Crazees | 49 comments (49 topical, 0 hidden)
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Believing something doesn't make it true.

You seem to want it both ways. Will of the people vs the rules.

Caucuses only represent 10% (the far left) of the democratic electorate- Advantage Obama, But that is fair because those are the rules.

Weighted Districts-Advantage Obama This is fair because people who voted in prior elections should have a greater say than everyone else. Besides those are the rules

Texas. Clinton wins popular vote, Obama caucus- Advantage Obama. fair because those are the rules.

Mich & Fla votes shouldn't count because those are the rules

Superdelegates decide Dem nominee-advanage Clinton

Unfair, despite the rules, because the "will of the people" is most important.


Where are your principles?

I suggest that we should let this play out, because Clinton could win the popular vote and I am Anti Obama.

I point out the flaws in the system and suggest changes so that our elections are decided by all the voters and I am an Obama basher.

I point out that both candidates should have a chance at the voters in Mich & Fla and I am accused of bending the rules.

If Obama wins both the popular and delegate vote I will concede that he should be the nominee. Period

Clinton could still win the majority of the popular vote.

If she does would you concede she should get the nomination (will of the people)?

I Seriously doubt it


You know I do have one question.


Since we both know how evil Hillary really is, why hasn't she made an issue of Obama's Pastor?


This stuff wasn't really a secret, except to the average voter.


Why did the media wait until now (the edge of an Obama victory) to drop this bomb on him?

I tried to warn you this was coming and it is only the begining.

Yes McCain has a crazy pastor (and Obama needs to point that out right now!)too but he ain't  Anti-American or anti-white (you know the people who will decide the general election).

Why would Obama as a young man join "this" church? As a young aspiring politician he didn't have the wisdom to figure out that this was bad news? As a man aspiring to become President he didn't think this would be a problem. Why would he expose his children to these types of sermons? The first time he heard one of these rants why did he not leave? Why has he donated large amounts of money to a church that espouses these views? I could go on but I think you get the point.

You can't see the damage this could cause. Um let's see. a 527 shows an ad of Obama not putting his hand over his heart, not wearing an american flag lapel, then showing flag draped coffins as you hear the anti american rantings of pator wright in the background.

Chickens coming home to roost indeed.

You seem to assume that everyone will see though this just like you. WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS OF GARBAGE THROWN AT DEMOCRATS. with 90% of it sticking.

John Kerry was turned into the flip flopping liberal elite, who was a phony war hero. Remember he lost to a flip flopping, lying draft dodger. but people like you don't learn

I could gone, on candidate after candidate, but you keep wanting to believe that playing nice is the way to win a general election.

The majority of people in this country still think Saddam had something to do with 911. That is not an accident. When it comes to manipulating the public, Republicans are the top dogs.

Now you can go run off into a corner and cry about how unfair this is or learn from it.

1) stop trashing Clinton
2) do everything you can to unite the 2 camps
and
3) bunker down for the worst campaign in history.

Fight back or get the hell out of the way.


by LORD FOUL on 03/14/2008 01:47:45 PM EST

Ok, you've officially crossed the line (none / 1)
of obnoxiousness.

Seriously, please, stop. DON'T hijack threads and DON'T comment unless it's related to the topic at hand.  Or for Christ's sake, *at least* don't comment off topic unless someone else takes the thread off topic first.

It's really, really (really) annoying. I could understand if it just happened here and there, but you're doing CONSTANTLY now.  You keep rehashing the same damn argument, and it's really tired, and really old at this point. And look, that would be fine *if* that was the topic at hand.  But it's not.

I AM fighting back, fighting back against obnoxious, off topic posts.  As for getting out the way, please, take your own advice.

by ihavenobias on 03/14/2008 01:57:18 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Did Im offend? (none / 0)
You started your thread with this topic

First off, Obama is likely to be the Democratic nominee, barring grand theft election by Hillary Clinton.

I'm not accusing anyone of stealing an election.

I'm not the one flip-flopping my principles to suit my desires

YOU BROUGHT HER UP. So I hijacked nothing.

Fairness to both candidates is really tiring isn't it!

YOU WANT A TRUCE ? GREAT, STOP ATTACKING CLINTON ( a democratic candidate) AND GO AFTER THE REAL ENEMIES (THE CORPORATE MEDIA AND JOHN MCCAIN).

by LORD FOUL on 03/14/2008 02:12:39 PM EST

[ Parent ]
That's a good point actually (none / 0)
I *did* take a jab at Clinton, fair is fair (and the *perception* if she wins will be that she stole the election, fair or not). You're right about that and I give you credit for pointing it out.

Still, that was a tiny aside to the giant point of the thread, which was comparing the religious nuts of Obama Vs those of McCain.

And I stand by everything else I wrote. As for the real enemies of McCain the corporate media, my God, that's what us Obama supporters are so frustrated about. Hillary should've dropped out after barely winning any delegates in Texas and Ohio. Instead she's dragging this thing out to the detriment of Obama *and* herself.

All the while McCain collects money and puts his feet up at the pool, laughing while Clinton does his dirty work (and fund raising) for him. 

So I guess we agree, yes, they should call a truce, Hillary should bow out gracefully and we should all focus on the real enemies.  :)

by ihavenobias on 03/14/2008 02:23:57 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Friends it is (none / 0)
Agree to disagree on the Nomination

Obama needs to RESPOND smartly and forcefully and he needs to do it like yesterday!

by LORD FOUL on 03/14/2008 02:33:15 PM EST

[ Parent ]
I agree (none / 0)
He does!

by ihavenobias on 03/14/2008 02:38:10 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Another Obamabot agrees, completely (none / 0)
Time to sharpen the claws and turn that eloquent speechifying of his into a weapon of fear and destruction unto the people who hate America: the Repugs.

SAM: What's new, Normie?
NORM: Terrorists, Sam. They've taken over my stomach and they're demanding beer.

by Spinny on 03/14/2008 02:40:04 PM EST

[ Parent ]
ObamaBots unite (none / 0)
to form Voltron!
I agree completely.  I'm surprised he hasn't responded yet, he's been pretty quick about such things in the past.

by Spencer on 03/14/2008 04:12:36 PM EST

[ Parent ]
he must (none / 0)
He must do this carefully. He is really in a bad spot.
(but he had to know this was coming)

for example Oberman (special comment) took Hillary to task over Ferraro because she didn't respond "properly" for over a week to remarks made by Ferraro.

Obama knew about these comments for years, still considers him a spiritual adviser, and has donated hugh sums to the church. The videos used by ABC were actually being sold by the church. What other videos/recordings might be in existence.

Very sad



by LORD FOUL on 03/14/2008 05:06:11 PM EST

[ Parent ]
A truce? (none / 0)
What are you rambling on about?  Hillary is a nasty cow  that needs to go away the sooner the better.

You like her

End of story

Go get some ice cream

by Chinese Democracy on 03/14/2008 04:01:21 PM EST

[ Parent ]
hahahaha (none / 0)
Well said

I will settle and support whoever the nominee is

On a personal level, I don't like her. I like her ability to beat Republicans

I like ice cream, it is better than eating crow.

At least she adores the flag, respects the pledge and loves America


by LORD FOUL on 03/14/2008 04:17:37 PM EST

[ Parent ]
are you kidding? (none / 0)
She respects power  period regardless if Obama wears a flag lapel pin.

by Chinese Democracy on 03/15/2008 12:26:40 AM EST

[ Parent ]
I'm Baaaccckkk.... (none / 0)
Ok, I am refreshed, happy and renewed over my break from this site. I feel better about my thoughts and views...basically, all of these damn sites are full of Obamabots and I just couldn't bring myself to go back to the Dark Side...

Anyway, to your point, bias...I agree that this Pastor Wright wont have an effect on an Obama presidency, but it certainly does have an effect to his candidacy, because it eliminates this aura of invincibility and it once again plants the insidious racial seeds of doubt into his campaign and their need for moderate supporters...
 
The fact that Obama even associates himself with a Black Church whose pastors/followers preach a message that even could be construed as hate will hurt Obama with those who are undecided. Face it, the image is already being created in the media of Obama as somewhat "uppity" and now he is being associated with people who could be called "haters"...Even if it is unjustified to the Obama supporters, and even if it is blatantly false (which it may be), the seed has been planted, and if nurtured it will sprout poisonous results...

I will agree with you that Obama is going to get the nod. I am going to agree with you that he is the better choice than McCain. What I hope to see from the Obamabots on this site is the recognition and allowance that he is not GOD, hes not the Chosen One, and that he is fallible just like all the others...

I would also like to see some humility among the faithful, because the times are a changin, and this "holier than thou" attitude among the young Obama supporters is one of the factors that is really creating a rift among the Democratic party base...

Its nice to be back...thanks...

:)

by bobo1 on 03/14/2008 01:45:39 PM EST

Obama's not God or Jesus?! (none / 0)
Oh NO!  I was collecting jugs of water for him to turn into wine.

This sucks. :(

by ihavenobias on 03/14/2008 01:47:23 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Thats thrilling (none / 0)
You never left you used the nic Keith remember?

by Chinese Democracy on 03/14/2008 04:03:10 PM EST

[ Parent ]
I followed the blog in my absence... (none / 0)
I just didnt contribute. I did not use any other name. I am not keith, although I did agree to a small extend with some of his ideas...

Thanks...

by bobo1 on 03/14/2008 04:12:09 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Thank god... (none / 0)
...someone with some sense is back!! ;-)

by keith on 03/14/2008 10:17:44 PM EST

[ Parent ]
I'll bet it's like looking in a mirror. (none / 0)

by Spencer on 03/14/2008 10:30:12 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Lighten up, douche bag... (none / 0)
...you're not making this any fun with all your incessant whining...

by keith on 03/14/2008 10:48:07 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Come on Bobo (none / 0)
what'd I tell you about Douche references?  Could you at least use a name brand, like Summer's Eve?

by ihavenobias on 03/14/2008 11:13:57 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Wha? (none / 0)

Douche bag?  Whining?  I was just pointing out that you're both so sensible and right on all the issues, that it must be like looking in a mirror.  I didn't mean anything by it.  Honest.

:)  Smile 

by Spencer on 03/15/2008 12:17:53 AM EST

[ Parent ]
I dont think you guys are douches... (none / 0)
I think you guys are young, idealistic, inexperienced and still hold some hope for this country in its current form of politics and tradition.

I just dont share your optimism, I am a realist...

Thanks for your continued contributions...

:)

by bobo1 on 03/15/2008 12:26:32 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Thanks bobo (none / 0)
But I think I was talking to keith here.  Sheesh... You don't have to defend him, it's not like you guys are the person or anything.

by Spencer on 03/15/2008 12:29:45 AM EST

[ Parent ]
i meant "same person" (none / 0)
shucks

by Spencer on 03/15/2008 12:30:17 AM EST

[ Parent ]
your welcome (none / 0)
I think you lost your cognative reasoning ability because you listen to Limbaugh to much.

by Chinese Democracy on 03/15/2008 12:30:31 AM EST

[ Parent ]
One problem with turning the tables on McCain? (none / 0)
If he attacks McCain for associating with people like Hagee, he almost automatically gets cast as attacking Hagee's beliefs.  That means he becomes a "Christian" who refuses to believe in the prophesies of Revelations.  Everybody knows the Bible is the inerrant Word of God, prayziznayme.

Given the stereotype of Dems as godless heathens who murder babies and want their sons to be sodomized by gays with wedding bands on, it will be very easy to turn the issue into an Obama Hates God contest, and don't think the Repigs won't wallow in that sh!t pit with gleeful abandon.  

SAM: What's new, Normie?
NORM: Terrorists, Sam. They've taken over my stomach and they're demanding beer.

by Spinny on 03/14/2008 02:45:51 PM EST

He can focus on Hagee's (none / 0)
anti Catholic comments.  Catholics are the largest single block of Christians in the US.

Also, I would like to see someone go after the McCain wanting to start more wars angle of this, as I wrote in my original post creating this thread.  That's the sort of thing that would terrify the vast majority of people in America.  Sure, most of them believe in God, but in a half assed way.

They do NOT want the end of times, especially from a nuclear war, etc.

by ihavenobias on 03/14/2008 02:56:18 PM EST

[ Parent ]
SHHHHHHH!!! (none / 0)

"...godless heathens who murder babies and want their sons to be sodomized by gays with wedding bands on..."

Shut UP, dammit!  You've given away our entire secret mssion!

by EveningStarNM on 03/14/2008 02:59:39 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Problem is, EveningStar... (none / 0)
That this is precisely what many in Middle America think of Leebrals... and for some, they would prefer the outright death, destruction and second coming of their "Savior" before they let some damn hippie queer loving, Whitey Hatin' Leebral take command of their armies...

I love (and hate) seeing people who are so naive to the real inner workings of Inner America...Not all of us are edumacated on the coasts, you know!!!
 
Don't Misunderestimate the power of the Handicapped, people...Just look at Bush!

:)

by bobo1 on 03/14/2008 03:30:00 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Our fatal flaw (none / 0)
You are right.
 
If liberals have a fatal flaw it is the belief in the intelligence of the American voter.

Ever watch Leno, his sidewalk interviews are classic

Half the people in this country still believe that saddam was involved in 911

How much effort do you think it will take to convice middle America that Obama hates America?

Obama will be portrayed as the man who hates the flag, hates the pledge and hates America, against a former  American P.O.W.

by LORD FOUL on 03/14/2008 04:00:32 PM EST

[ Parent ]
That must be why Democrats (none / 0)
took over both houses of congress and are going to take over the white house and gain more seats this time around!  You are on to something.

by Chinese Democracy on 03/14/2008 04:05:35 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Point taken (none / 0)
but remeber this, our gains of 2 years ago were based more on the war and the over-reaching arrogance of the Pubs than anything we did. Campaigns durring presidential campaigns are very different than durring "off-year" elections.

Also the people are not necessarily thrilled with the performance of the house or senate right now and the war is not such a hot button issue at the moment.

by LORD FOUL on 03/14/2008 04:40:46 PM EST

[ Parent ]
It probably balances out. (none / 0)

There's probably an equal number of crackpots and numbskulls on both sides, and I'm not sure it's worth worrying about them.  It's the folks who have brains that you have to pursuade.  True economic and/or political conservatives, as opposed to anyone I've seen here or even since Buckley, have some powerful arguments on their side, even though they're wrong.  It makes me happy that all that's left in the Republican Party are dimwits and nutcases, even if they are still dangerous.  But the Democrats have a lot of idiots, too.  I think that it balances out enough so that if liberals ever grow spines, or if progressives grow enough in numbers, that the left will easily be able to persuade the middle and take control from the faux-conservatives we see now.

by EveningStarNM on 03/14/2008 04:03:48 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Dont Misunderestimate (none / 0)
 

This post is going to generate an auto response from the other troll  praising your smarts. Other than that its a load of total horse shit.  

by Chinese Democracy on 03/14/2008 04:10:46 PM EST

[ Parent ]
birds of a feather (none / 0)
The Ostridge strategy

stick your head in the sand and hope it goes away

Kerry did the same thing 4 years ago

At least you're standing by your principles

by LORD FOUL on 03/14/2008 04:52:33 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Liberal Punk take note. (none / 0)
Conservatives haven't even begun our attack on Barack Obama. Right now, we are voting for him and supporting him and talking nice about him. But just wait until after he wins the nomination.

If Mitt Romney won the GOP nomination, the Democrat attack machine would have already focussed on the Mormon faith.

In similar fashion, we plan to explore the religion of Barack Obama. We want to know more about a church he attended for the last 20 years.

But go ahead and win the nomination first. Then will fire up the GOP attack machine. 

by KenTX on 03/14/2008 04:57:31 PM EST

Too soon (none / 0)
Try to be nice, remember this came out a little too soon, for your purposes

Look behind you, the bitch ain't dead yet.

by LORD FOUL on 03/14/2008 05:18:19 PM EST

[ Parent ]
I love how (none / 0)

Ken acts like he's a member of the vast right wing conspiracy.  You're just an observer, not a participant.  &nb sp; If listening to right wing radio gives you some special arcanum, than I have it too.  You're not saying anything groundbreaking.

"Oh just wait until Hillary gets the nomination, then we'll (blah blah blah)."

"Oh just wait until Obama gets the nomination, then we'll (blah blah blah)." 

Right...  Surprise!  You think you can beat both of our candidates.  We've all seen how the game is played.  Quit acting like you're in the know.

by Spencer on 03/14/2008 05:56:55 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Time to buy you a couple of vowels. (none / 0)
“Ken acts like he's a member of the vast right wing conspiracy.  You're just an observer, not a participant.” 

What the fuck do you know about me?

I’m an observer, a participant, and a contributor.

In 2004, when the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth starting moving Kerry’s numbers downward, I immediately shifted campaign contributions from the GOP to the SBVFT.  As I recall, in July 2004, I set up an automated PayPal payment of $25 per day, and let it run until November. There is no limit in contributions to 527s. I considered it a dollar cost averaging investment that could be terminated in the event that the operation started showing poor returns. I let it run until November.

It was people like me who sunk John Kerry’s swiftboat, not Karl Rove.
 
Here's a couple more questions for you to wrap your tiny brain around. Why does KenTX obsess on the subject of taxation? Why does KenTX make financial contributions to TYT and other political organizations? When you figure it out, get back to me.

There will be similar 527s that will spring up to expose the fun and foibles of Barack Obama. If they’re effective, and they start moving the numbers, that’s where my money is going.

Please look at this Mr Fred blog from nine days ago. You’ll excuse me if I discount more of his BIG TALK and bravado. Here’s the tool he uses to forecast the future.
Fred the forecaster
It does a great job of describing present conditions, but Fred has no clue what the future holds. If he did, he would be counting his money on Wall Street right now.
I’ve been saying for months that the 2008 election will come down to the state of the economy in November. Will we be in a deep recession then? Who the hell knows?

As usual, Lord Foul is the smartest liberal in the room. He rightly understands that the exposure of Reverend Looney Tunes comes at an inopportune time. This could derail Obama’s chance to lock up the nomination, and that’s a damn shame. You guys might never get a chance to see what happens next.

by KenTX on 03/14/2008 10:42:52 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Just remember Ken (none / 0)
when *you* say someone is the smartest person in the room as an endorsement, it actually has the opposite effect with most readers.

That's not fair to LF.

by ihavenobias on 03/14/2008 11:12:54 PM EST

[ Parent ]
The Hopeless, the Hapless and Ken (none / 1)
Conservatives haven't even begun our attack on Barack Obama. Right now, we are voting for him and supporting him and talking nice about him. But just wait until after he wins the nomination.

Our? I thought you were some kind of chemist or a phamacist or something. Now your a politcal consultant? Is there membership card?

Then will fire up the GOP attack machine.

 Oh I'm shakin in my boots now.

Attack away cupcake. 

When Joe Sixpack goes to his local Mobil station and pumps the GOP brand of $5.00 a gallon gasoline, drives by his former  employers and GOP contributor building (where his job was just outsourced) looking for work, and back to his neighborhood of GOP supported forclosures ; I'm sure the first thing that will pop into his mind is " You know, Obamas middle name is Hussien!, I think I'll vote Republican!"

Its the economy and its  getting much worse than I thought was possible . The chance of a GOP victory I anticipated in Nov is fading...regardless of who is nominated.

That means the debate is being framed as we speak; the downturn will be worse than predicted and " duh Im not much of and economist" McCain will be like a deer in the headlights of a pissed off trucker.

Ive got Bush on my side. Dumbass will start his Irainian shit again driving up oil prices...Ive got hurricanes...Ive got "the free market" and McCains mouth all conspiring to fuck the GOP five ways from Sunday.

 Bring it on.

 

by MRFred on 03/14/2008 06:34:28 PM EST

[ Parent ]
That was beautiful (none / 0)
I think I teared up a little.  ;)

by ihavenobias on 03/14/2008 06:38:48 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Like this on..... (none / 0)

Bear Sterns bail out by the Fed while Joe Sixpacks house is forclosed on.

Keep'em coming George

by MRFred on 03/14/2008 07:06:45 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Lets go there (none / 0)
Like I posted before, if the R want to talk about  Obama's pastor. Lets,  and lets talk about Rod Parsley McCains spiritual advisor and Haggee and Pat Robertson and every other fundie nut ball that supports Mccain.  

Just a quick look in the google comes up with a gold mine of racists homophobic anti jewish anti catholic tirades.  That ought to be good for a start at least.

by Chinese Democracy on 03/14/2008 08:42:37 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Hey Fred!!!! (none / 0)
How the Hell did you get that picture of me??????


GO TIGERS!!!!!!!!

:)

by bobo1 on 03/15/2008 12:29:27 AM EST

[ Parent ]
You need to remind us of that more often. (none / 0)

Everybody seems to keep forgetting the lesson that Bill Clinton taught us:

It's the economy, stupid!

And this time it's such an easy case to make, once Hillary is gone and Democrats can start focusing on it, the Republicans don't stand a chance.

I'll be really surprised if Democrats don't come close to 60% in both houses.  Republicans have seriously fucked up the economy just like they always do, except a lot worse this time.  Republicans don't seem to get that.  And the news is going to start getting a lot worse very quickly.  A lot of middle class and poor people are going to suffer terribly this year, and they're not going to be happy that they voted Republican in the past.

Our country is in deep shit.  That is not good for Republicans.

Unfortunately, it's not good for Democrats either, because instead of starting from a good place and making things better, they've first got to try to stop the hemoraging so that they can perform a heart transplant in order to save the patient's life.

by EveningStarNM on 03/15/2008 01:01:12 AM EST

[ Parent ]
TYT Forum's Dumbest Predictions (none / 1)
In trying to maintain a list of the dumbest predictions in the forum, I find myself returning to the same individual. He changes his mind so often that all I need to do is maintain a running tabulation.

by KenTX on 03/15/2008 01:46:04 AM EST

[ Parent ]
<y-ya-yaa--aaaawwwwnnn--Oh!> (none / 0)

by EveningStarNM on 03/15/2008 02:07:21 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Here (none / 0)
Here is Obama's statement on how Wright is actually Wrong.

by ihavenobias on 03/14/2008 06:41:46 PM EST

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