5th Aniversary

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Unless the economy melts down entirely (which is still a possibility), President Bush's chief legacy will be the violent occupation of Iraq. As the fifth anniversary of the occupation of Iraq is upon us, it is time to reflect and consider what next.

Few pundits would have guessed that 160,000 troops would still be in Iraq, the highest level since the invasion. At least this is what the talking heads will say, if they had paid attention to the experts, they would have known even 160,000 was too few.

What even the experts may not have realized is the other damage that the Iraq war would cause. Now U.S. military power is spread way to thin, and much of the expensive American arsenal is irrelevant to the modern warfare being fought in Iraq. Our economic power and standing in the world has been greatly weakened, just as our diplomacy and foriegn policy which is in disarray.

The thing is we should have known this was coming.
George Bush was a train wreck as a businessman, we should have known that this was in the cards.

Of course Cheney calls it a success... The thing is I believe for him it has been a success. Haliburton and KBR have made millions, oil companies are reaping the largest profits in the history of the world for any company, and he gets to act like a tough guy.

Now what do we do to end the occupation? That is the question we need to really start, and has not happened enough. The debate gets to tied to politics lately.

Who will be better at ending the war, Hillary or Barak?
I believe Barak would be better, but others might believe that Hillary would. What ever it is readily apparent that only a Democrat will actually start looking at Iraq through anything other than rose colored glasses.





 

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This has become the what if war.

First off we should have never invaded. Saddam was (without meaning to) our best ally in the region.

What if they would have sent the amount of troops they actually needed(300-500 thousand troops)

What if the would have secured all those weapons caches

What if they didn't disband the army.

The damage bush and his military clowns have done is irreversable

If we draw down our troops the violence will increase. If we leave the shiites will take over. Putting Saudi Arabia at risk. The sick truth is that unless we rid ourselves of our addiction to oil we will be fighting battles in the region for decades.

Our best option would be to get an "arab" peace keeping for to take our place

Invading Iraq will go down as one of the greatest debacles in American military history

by LORD FOUL on 03/17/2008 04:38:56 PM EST


Sorry, I wasn't listening.  Could you say that again?  I was busy preparing for the worst as this recession begins to deepen.

Gee.  If only there was just one bit of good news.  But it turns out that the Fed could lower interest rates by a full point tomorrow, putting the final nail in our coffin by encouraging even more indebtedness in an economy based on policies that want to send our money overseas rather than keeping it here where it might do some good.

I just hope a 50'x50' garden will be enough to feed us when things get tough.  That's all the space I could scrape up, and this is not exactly gardening country, y'know?  And with the dust storms having started early and constantly picking up, things aren't looking very good.

Bad climate.  Bad economy.  And Republicans proposing to give us more of the same.

This is not going to be fun.

by EveningStarNM on 03/17/2008 08:21:12 PM EST


As someone who has been accused of stealing threads, be very careful. The subject was Iraq.

With  that said, I agree the economy is more important but also closely related to Iraq and the trillions that have been spent and have greatly impacted the price of oil.

by LORD FOUL on 03/18/2008 07:47:10 AM EST

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In a year, the troops will be coming home in a desperate attempt to stop the hemorraging of the dollar by reducing our non-productive expense s.  We'll watch Iraq fail, as it should, and become three states, with the one in the middle being the weakest.  Unfortunately, the instability brought about by this failure will last for decades, possibly resulting in a Middle Eastern war between Saudi Arabia and Iran.  But that will motivate the U.S. to quit smoking oil, or at least to cut back a lot.

But the Republicans have  squandered so much of our national wealth and our credibility abroad that we just can't do much about the Middle East.  We should leave it to the newest superpower, the European Union, and try to get our shit together so that we can compete with them.

Because right now we can't.  They export actual goods and services.  But moving from oil to non-combustible technologies will help to stimulate our economy a lot.

by EveningStarNM on 03/18/2008 10:40:40 AM EST

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"We'll watch Iraq fail, as it should, and become three states..."

The best part is, I suspect, Shrubya will manage to stall the inevitable until after he leaves office, and the right wing lie machine will manage to make the collapse seem the Dems' fault (assuming they take the White House).  

SAM: What's new, Normie?
NORM: Terrorists, Sam. They've taken over my stomach and they're demanding beer.

by Spinny on 03/18/2008 12:52:27 PM EST

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