Passport Breach!!!! Can We Say Diversion, Children...

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I know lots of you will disagree, but....

Could somebody tell the Obama campaign and the media that we are not that stupid...

This whole passport breach story is a complete farce... Classic campaign strategy of diversion and redirection, or for the Obama supporters, we can just call it "Bob and Weave"...

Do you guys not find it just a tad bit convenient that this story comes out just as the Wright story wont go off and die somewhere?

Do you not find it interesting that Obama just happened to be getting a full hour with Larry King as the story broke, and he conveniently had all the information to "call for an investigation..."

Do you not find it odd that this kind of stuff at State and Federal agencies happen all the time, but it just has to be important because it Obama? There are over the top safeguards for all of this stuff...

What would you get off a passport that wasn't already public information? Obama is a national figure and presidential candidate... This man cannot piss alone without the media and public knowing about it!!... What are they looking for - where hes been? His Address? All public info already...

I have noticed on some of the other blogs that they are calling this "Watergate" like, as if Hillary or Bush had something to do with it...Oh PLEEEAAASSE...

Absolute diversionary tactic...heats gettin' too hot on the Pastor deal, so lets invent or blow up something that is really insignificant... im sure it happened, some dopes over at state being lookie lous, but that happens all the time! Its certainly not this newsworthy... This happened to Bill Clinton in 1992 if I remember correctly... Whoopeee!!!

I hope the public or even the Kool Aid Drinking faithful dont fall for this crap... this is such a Non Story...

A change in politics? Yeah - whatever Obama... lets stick to the real issues...

BEAKING NEWS: It turns out that this very same thing happened to both Clinton and McCain over the last year or so... Does anyone hear their campaign managers screaming to the press on what an injustice this is? Do you hear them whining that they have been violated?

I didnt think so...
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Are you Hillary supporters at all liberal?? (none / 0)
You don't believe in privacy at all do you? And how the Hell would Obama create the story? I know you think MSNBC is actively trying to assist him. But do you think Bush is trying to help him, so he let Obama convince the State Department to make this up?

And yes, there are safeguards. The reason this is a story is because someone people (3, so far) disregarded the rules and accessed the info. without a reason or authorization. To do this they had to acknowledge an alert telling them what they were doing had to be legitimate. And then, as a part of those safeguards, it was logged and reported to supervisors that they did it. 

As far as what they were looking for, the information from his passport records is NOT already public info. His social security number isn't. Maybe they wanted to steal his identity... ok, probably not but you never know. Maybe they wanted to use his SSN to register with some group/company/something to make him seem anti-American or maybe they're going back to trying to label him Muslim.

by Weapon X on 03/21/2008 01:55:48 AM EST

Thanks for your comments... (none / 0)
First of all, im not a Hillary supporter.

Secondly, im not really convinced that Im a Liberal...

But most importantly, can you not see what this really is? A diversion, a different focus point for the media dogs to protect Obama about..."Oh, these people are just picking on him sssooo Much..." Anderson Cooper almost said as much this evening on 360...

Im not saying Obama created this Breach. Im sure some folks down at the State Dept got nosy and snooped around. It happens all the time with famous people...but to already be suggesting Watergate tactics (as some on Politico and Huffington are...) is just stupid...

What I am suggesting is that the timing of this couldnt be any more advantageous for Obama and his accomplices in the lamestream press... He had an exclusive full hour with Larry King on CNN just when the story broke... coincidence? NOT!!!

hey, this is art of politics 101 - I just think its very hipocritical (sp) to suggest that he is "above the fray" and wants to do things differently when this little episode couldn't have been timed better to maximize its diversion from the "Pastor Wright hates America and Whitey controversy"...

thats all im sayin'...

thanks for your comments, again...

by bobo1 on 03/21/2008 02:09:51 AM EST

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Clearly not a liberal (none / 0)
So first you're responding that you don't mean that Obama created the "fray" but later in the same comment you say "I just think its very hipocritical (sp) to suggest that he is "above the fray" and wants to do things differently when this little episode couldn't have been timed better."


So how is Obama hypocrytical when:

a. He couldn't possibly have made the State Department make it up.
b. He couldn't possibly have forced them to release this information.
c. He couldn't make it public, the State Dept. already did, followed by the media (he doesn't even own a network, like Repubs do with FOX).
d. All outlets (blogs, newspapers online & both cable and network TV) reported the story almost simultaneously.

by Weapon X on 03/21/2008 02:31:04 AM EST

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Who said the State Department ... (none / 0)
released the initial report...im sure they told Obama before they would have ran to the news with it...

Oh, this is where leaks come in... Could Obama have leaked this info to the press before his appearances?

The reports say this all happened back in January...you dont think that Obama hasnt been sitting on this, waiting for the right moment?

yeah - Above the Fray, (as Bill Cosby as Noah would say) - right....

Are you one of those people who actually believe everything you read?

Thanks...

by bobo1 on 03/21/2008 02:36:18 AM EST

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More BAD bobo (none / 0)

The events took place in Jan, Feb, and March. Supposedly, "senior officials" including Condi were not made aware until this week.

Yeah, and it's just sooo not like the Bush administration to go rifling through people's personal information...

by MedfordTim on 03/21/2008 08:47:44 AM EST

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State Dept. (none / 0)
Yeah, and it's just sooo not like the Bush administration to go rifling through people's personal information...

Well, I'm sure the Clintons would never do such a thing. Or would they? State Dept. bureaucrats have shown so much contempt for Bush, it's not out of the realm of possibility that the perpetrators were Democrats.

by Twba on 03/21/2008 09:09:42 AM EST

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Geese and Sauce (none / 0)

I'm sure the Clintons would never do such a thing.

Shocking! I am sure that Bush(es) and the Republicans wouldn't either.

by MRFred on 03/21/2008 10:28:50 AM EST

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OldTimer's Disease? (none / 0)
Shocking! I am sure that Bush(es) and the Republicans wouldn't either.

Did you read Bobo's post?

Bobo wrote:

Its certainly not this newsworthy... This happened to Bill Clinton in 1992 if I remember correctly... Whoopeee!!!

by Twba on 03/21/2008 01:43:29 PM EST

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Who's Bobo? (none / 0)

 Since I am an "old timer", as you put  it, I have only a finite amount of time left on the planet and I choose to spend it on more more productive pursuits.

So, no I generally don't read Bobo's posts( among others).

Why I read and responded to your post is probably attributable to old timers disease. Now if you'll excuse me they are starting a new Bingo game on the lido deck.

by MRFred on 03/21/2008 09:37:57 PM EST

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i appreciate your wasting your time, sir... (none / 0)
Fine sailing to you, with strong breezes and pantless women!!!

:)

by bobo1 on 03/21/2008 10:02:23 PM EST

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I think I know the answer. (none / 0)
Maybe Obama was accidentally placed on the Terrorist Watch List? These things can happen to people named "Hussein".

This will probably turn out to be another in a long list of unfortunate campaign issues. It makes me very sad.

by KenTX on 03/21/2008 02:39:13 AM EST

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Good (none / 0)
If it works to Obamas advantage I dont really care how.

As far as you being a liberal. Thats a joke right?

by Chinese Democracy on 03/21/2008 02:52:28 AM EST

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Nothing to lose (none / 0)
Bobo doesn't support anything.  He made it clear in this post that he's fighting tooth-and-nail for jackola.

by OneHitKill on 03/21/2008 08:07:09 AM EST

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And what it most likely was... (none / 0)
... is that they were trying to see every country he'd ever been to and when so that they could then use those travels as proof of some right-wing style attack linking him to terrorism or Islam or a particular country or whatever.

LIKE EVERY ATTACK EVER MADE WITH WINGNUT TALKING POINTS. If you can't win on issues then attack the person. True or not.

I've also heard that it happened with Bill Clinton. That just adds to how wrong it is. All of those attacks on President Clinton were on nonsense (sex), based on lies or possibly even downright illegal. We can't stay silent when they try that stuff or we'll end up with the crap they pulled in the '90s against us. You think because we support Obama over Hillary because we hate Bill Clinton? I would guess most of us were STRONG Bill Clinton supporters. And many, not all but many, of us would have been just fine with Hillary as a nominee (if she won) before she started attacking progressive principles along with Obama.

by Weapon X on 03/21/2008 02:05:33 AM EST

obama is a public figure/Senator... (none / 0)
everyone knows where he has been for at least the last 10 years because of his public recognition.

Hell, they already have him in Somali Garb, that road has already been tested (not to say they wont travel down it again)...

im not sayin its right to snoop, but it sure as Hell isnt newsworthy to this magnitude it has been tonight...

Thanks...

by bobo1 on 03/21/2008 02:12:21 AM EST

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You're an effin teacher???????????? (none / 0)
How do they know where he's been? He's only been in the US Senate and the national stage for less than four years (where the f* do u come up w/10?), he's traveled overseas since age SIX.

Travel records for someone who's traveled that extensively aren't that easy to find.

And in the previous comment you said "it happens all the time." No. No it does not. When it happens, people get fired. If it happens with non-famous people it obviously won't make the news. But unlike when celebs get their hospital records leaked by hospital employees, the State Dept. records are on a computer system with EXTENSIVE logs. Access is typically limited, and since it is illegal to disseminate (which happens if they show even one unauthorized person) the information, a record is created when a file is viewed. If the person who viewed the file did so without a legitimate purpose or supervisor's authorization then it is looked into. They are either reprimanded, suspended or fired according to whatever the specific incident warrants.

I'm concerned for the future of our country if you're teaching them history. How about recent history? When the IRS first went fully computerized they encountered the problem of unauthorized access of files from offices all over the U.S. where they had no need to access the records. They implemented a number of safeguards after that. This lesson was applied throughout the federal bureaucracy. It's not perfect, but now access to files is limited and when those files are accessed, there has to be a legitimate reason and there are logs recording who accessed what and when.

Maybe the repubs are right on education, maybe vouchers allowing parents to choose between private schools is a better way to go.

by Weapon X on 03/21/2008 02:44:20 AM EST

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Dude... (none / 0)
This is where my friends Spencer and China and Juarez run into trouble...you seem like a good poster so please read this slowly and clearly...

Stuff like this does happen. A lot. Im not saying that the State dept didnt screw up...Im sure they did (they do work for the Bushies now, ya know..) Im not sayin its right by any means... but it does happen frequently...

What I am saying is that this isnt as newsworthy as everyone (including yourself apparently) has made it out to be this evening. I was merely commenting on the fact that this is being used as a diversion by the Obama camp away from all of the negative press he has been receiving for the last week or so...

I have worked for the Government. I know how they operate. These guys have been fired over at State. Im glad they have been fired for this...but this isnt "BREAKING NEWS" Chicken Little style as the Lamestreamers have made it out to be...

And by the way, Obama has been a politician since 1996 in the Illinois Congress... If im a teacher, that would be 12 years ago, so I was short by 2 years. Sorry...

Anyway, As a politician, he should be closely monitored for travels in that time frame... If he is so OPEN with his records and such (as opposed to the Hildabeast holding on to them in secret for dear life), Im sure he has publicly accounted for everyday since his initial election in 1996. That would be the smart thing to do, and supposedly Obama is very very Smart (He did graduate from Harvard, you know)

Even if they were looking for records previous to 1996, what could they say? As I said earlier, they already have him dressed up like OSAMA BIN LADEN...Its a dead end at this point for that angle...
 
Do you understand what Im trying to get at?


thanks:)

by bobo1 on 03/21/2008 02:59:08 AM EST

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Looks like your the one who is running (none / 0)
into trouble dude

by Chinese Democracy on 03/21/2008 03:05:41 AM EST

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ok, posted my comment below before seeing this one (none / 0)
Now in this comment your argument is much improved. Still not valid, in my opinion, but not 100% ludicrous.

BUT... you cannot simultaneously blame Obama for "leaking it" while acknowledging that the media IMMEDIATELY was all over it. If the campaign wanted to push the story maybe they could convince everyone to run with it, but not within minutes. Not unless the news organizations had it FIRST. And, are you serious about the Illinois state legislature thing? Do you have any idea how many total state representatives and executive officials there are in this country? Travel for a regular state representative is rarely investigated unless there is some previous irregularity or it was done with public money.


And I doubt they were concerned with travel in that specific period anyway. They were (conjecture on my part, of course) looking for any travel they could make something out of. He's like what, 40-something, right? Travel records since childhood? There's a hell of a lot more records than ten years worth, and the point is to find anything they can use to smear him. One picture is not what wingnuts are satisfied with. They like to repeat their lies and try to keep them fresh so they seem legitimate.

If you think that angle is a dead end you're a boob, bobo.


You're welcome.

by Weapon X on 03/21/2008 03:14:44 AM EST

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How did Obama sit on this? (none / 0)
Get your facts in order first:

http://www.huffingtonpost.c om/2008/03/20/obama-passpor t-breached-_n_92668.html


or here, from the news source you always reference: CNN

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POL ITICS/03/20/obama.passport/ index.html

Or go anywhere, just try to know what you're talking about in the future.

First of all, there were three incidents, one in each of the months in 2008. Not "back in January" only, as you repeatedly state.

Second, your "theory" that Obama was sitting on this is ridiculous, not only for the reason stated above but:
a. The State Department itself said it didn't notify Obama until today
b. The senior management of the State Department say they didn't even learn about this until today.
c. The lower level department officials who discovered the breaches never reported it.
d. As Barack Obama is not God (or a god or even in communication with such an entity), it is highly unlikely that he knew about this when the DEPARTMENT ITSELF DID NOT KNOW ABOUT IT.


All your "points" in this post have all been asinine save for the one about the comparison to Watergate (if it was ever made, you say it was) being ridiculous. As such, it deems no further responses.


Th-th-th-th-th-thas all, folks!


You're welcome.

by Weapon X on 03/21/2008 03:03:09 AM EST

bless-ed are the believers, man... (none / 0)
You actually believe the news? Is it Gospel truth that they spew to us daily?

Well, that explains your ignorance in totality...

Try to use your brain, man... Think outside the box...

Even if they really didnt know until today, then explain to me why the press is so hyped up about this...

Could it be their orgasmic love for the man? Maybe...

Or maybe it was just dumb luck for Obama that this happened right now, right after all this Pastor Wright crap has been going on for the last week or so... but I doubt it...

Thats all Im sayin...

Thanks

:)

by bobo1 on 03/21/2008 03:10:50 AM EST

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It is luck. (none / 1)
Pure dumb luck. And he arranges it! Obama has been blessed or maybe he caught a leprechaun or something. And the conniving way he's done it, too.

First he's black, then his Muslim dad names him Barack Hussein Obama, now everybody likes him for NO reason even though he is a completely unqualified, naive, islamic fundamentalist terrorist anti-American radical Christian liberal who wants to be Ronald Reagan.

And on top of all of that, people with access to his private records use that access without cause or authorization! Whew. It's a good thing he's such a lucky son a bitch. I'm sure next week when he bends down to tie his shoe and there happens to be a flag behind him and people talk about how he was mooning the flag there will be another lucky break that he will engineer. He'll probably arrange for the KKK (who do his bidding, after all) to burn his house down. Lucky bastard!


You're welcome.

by Weapon X on 03/21/2008 03:23:00 AM EST

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Outside the box, indeed (none / 0)

Or maybe it was just dumb luck for Obama that this happened right now, right after all this Pastor Wright crap has been going on for the last week or so... but I doubt it...

You just contradicted yourself.  Which is truth, that the news is right, or this Rev Wright nonsense is of any importance?  The reason I ask is, lately it's the NEWS that's been telling us about the Rev Wright nonsense. 

So....which is it?  According to your own "You are ignorant for believing the news" reasoning, is your own belief in the news' pursuit of the Wright story driving you mad yet?  Choose a color, black or white.  There is no gray on this, the pallet you have prepared yourself. 

By all means, think OUTSIDE THE BOX when you answer. 

by OneHitKill on 03/21/2008 08:14:09 AM EST

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Dont be like that, OneHitKill... (none / 0)
You as a learned man knew what I was saying...

I find it highly improbable that all of the sudden, the State Department just dropped a big shit bomb on Obama over this issue... Maybe, but probably not...

All Im saying is that he probably knew about this breach for some time and just needed a good time to divert the Pastor story...

I was simply pointing out to Weapon X that the campaigns and media know how to play the "who said it when" game well... if you believe exactly everything they tell you, well then you're really not being honest with yourself about what thre media is...

You know as well as I that this breach is a non story...its been on the news this morning (Friday 21st) that all 3 candidates have had this done to them... So, again, it does happen all the time...

The Pastor story isnt going away...yeah, they might not talk about it much on the news anymore, but the seed has been planted, and many whites in this country now think twice before they will consider voting for Obama.  It wasnt the news perpetuating the madness of the Pastor Wright story fully...it was the damning video...Damn that YOUTUBE!!!!

Got any more good Japanese vids? I need relaxation :)

Thanks...

by bobo1 on 03/21/2008 12:30:42 PM EST

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Please be consistent. (none / 0)
"Even if they really didnt know until today, then explain to me why the press is so hyped up about this..."

It's about Obama.  If it was about McCain or Clinton it would get the same amount of hype.

Can you tell me why, bobo?

Honestly, are you just here to serve as a devil's advocate at this point?  Do you say ridiculous things and constantly criticize Obama based on nothing just to get us thinking and keep us honest?  That would actually be BETTER than if you actually believed all the crap you post.

by jarett on 03/21/2008 02:35:15 PM EST

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Now you're getting it, jarett... (none / 0)
Im so glad something has broken through for you, jarrett... finally, someone using their brain...

Hallalujah

:)

by bobo1 on 03/21/2008 03:37:49 PM EST

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timing is every thing.. (none / 0)
im going to talk about this story for the next two weeks..

by Bungle on 03/21/2008 03:23:34 AM EST

Amazing (none / 0)

It's amazing how the Repubs can spin this shit.  Bobo you have absolutely ZERO to base your conjectures on.  You need all the provable facts to be wrong for your theory to be right.

However this doesn't mean jack to you because you like the sound of your theory and you are going to spout it for as long as anyone will listen.

Facts have a notorious liberal bias.  :) 

by blueheartinaredstate on 03/21/2008 07:21:28 AM EST

Not a theory... (none / 0)
Just a Suggestion. An Observation. A Commentary...

Y'all are way too interested in facts on a conjecture/opinion blog... isnt it OK just to put things out for discussion, right or wrong?


I dont need facts for anything. If I wanted facts, Id go be a scientist...


Thanks...

by bobo1 on 03/21/2008 12:21:18 PM EST

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ya (none / 0)
 Facts are for Democrat wimps right ? Conservatives never let a little thing like facts get in the way.

The truth has a liberal bias

by Chinese Democracy on 03/21/2008 12:44:28 PM EST

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So was Hillary's and McCain's (none / 0)
Explain the theory now

Huffpo LINK to the story

by Chinese Democracy on 03/21/2008 12:59:37 PM EST

Something to ponder (none / 0)
Do you guys not find it just a tad bit convenient that this story comes out just as the Wright story wont go off and die somewhere?

State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said that the department began to look into the breaches of Mr. Obama's files after getting questions about them from a reporter.

How did that reporter know to ask the questions? Who tipped off the reporter?

by Twba on 03/21/2008 01:44:42 PM EST

Objection! (none / 0)

 

You have no proof the Obama campaign did such a thing. 

Also, talking about the real issues, where is your critique of Obama's Iraq speeches? You surely can manage it. Those were speeches about a very, very REAL ISSUE.

(Testing out the "Objection" pic) 

Cynicism is poison to reform and pumps life into the status quo.

by prezalex on 03/22/2008 01:46:42 AM EST

I like the pic!!! (none / 0)
Well, let me just say this...

We'll see if your man Obama is who he says he is, and if hes tough enough to stand the pain that will be inflicted upon him in the coming months...

Lofty speeches and unrealistic dreams are not gonna cut it with Joe Sixpack...

Im afraid even if he wins simply on the Republicans self demise, he will prove himself a bit short in terms of attaining his lofty promises of Hope and Change...

Thats what I think...

Thanks again for all you have done, really...

bobo1

by bobo1 on 03/22/2008 01:52:02 AM EST

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I might use it more often (none / 0)

But a smaller size, while responding to blogs. Helps signify when I disagree with something, and I like it.

Tough enough? Meh. I think he's tough enough, but he's better on the offense. Hillary Clinton has a good defense, sure, but you'd be insane to think what the Democrats need is another person who's parrying attacks left and right throughout the general election without giving some of their own. I've yet to see Hillary really give McCain any good jabs over the war or the economy. Obama's defense is a mix, sometimes he's totally defensive and falters, but when he parries and throws the attack back at you, he's really good, better than anyone else in the race so far, so I think he has the ability to withstand the attacks. 

I think "lofty speeches" and supposedly unrealistic dreams (like what? Obama's not at all radical) are going to cut it, if he just uses more rhetorical connections to Joe Sixpack.

His promises aren't that lofty, don't believe the Clintonian hype, "hope" and "change" are buzzwords to mean, vote for me and things will be in some way different. Still, you're not getting into the substance of his candidacy. You're not talking about his organization and the ability he may have of bringing in new voters and young voters. You have yet to talk about the huge amount of small donors. You don't get into how important his speech on race could be to history. You're only half-seeing Obama right now, it seems, and so of course you're going to dislike him and of course he doesn't seem real. You're not looking at the whole picture.

Cynicism is poison to reform and pumps life into the status quo.

by prezalex on 03/22/2008 12:52:54 PM EST

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no need for thx (none / 0)
really. it's okay, you've satiated my desire for bleeding heart liberalism without having to give to some stupid kid with some terminal illness or something...

Cynicism is poison to reform and pumps life into the status quo.

by prezalex on 03/22/2008 12:53:56 PM EST

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