03/23/2008 09:01:56 PM EST

I call your Murtha and raise you a Richardson

posted by Chargrad


Bill Richardson is set to annouce his endorsement of Barack Obama for president later today.

Bill Richardson has broken his silence to tell the nation who he believe is a "once-in-a-lifetime leader". As the nation's only hispanic governor he may be crucial to adjusting the 2-1 balance of hispanics voting for Hillary.

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Bill Richardson has broken his silence to tell the nation who he believe is a "once-in-a-lifetime leader". As the nation's only hispanic governor he may be crucial to adjusting the 2-1 balance of hispanics voting for Hillary.

Even if he does not help with hispanic support, hell even if he does it doesn't matter much. What is more important is he is a super-delegate and a well known one. If his public announcement can encourage other super delegates to let their opnion be known this process will be a lot less painfully drawn out. I hate the thought of waiting over a month for a primary that will be anything but decisive no matter the result. Wether we like it or not the system we have will not give Barack or Hillary to 2024 delegates needed to secure the nomination through pledged delegates alone.

435 super delegates have given their endorsements. That leaves over 300 silent. If they are waiting to see the winner of the pledged delegate count and/or popular vote they are waiting for what can already be surmised. When has South Dakota ever mattered in the nomination process? When has California mattered? They can still have their primaries as they always have but why should we let this party tear itself apart as we wait?

 

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I call your Murtha and raise you a Richardson | 23 comments (23 topical, 0 hidden)
It's about time.. (none / 0)
I don't understand Richardson, but Obama sure could of used his help back on Super Tuesday with the Latino vote.  I'm reminded how disappointed I was to hear Dolores Huerta speak on TYT and endorse Clinton.

by rev24 on 03/21/2008 12:01:58 PM EST

Which way is the wind blowing? (none / 0)

Those 300 super delegates have been waiting to find out whose ass they have to kiss in order to keep their jobs next year.  I'm not sure why Edwards has been waiting.  Maybe he wants a seat in the cabinet or on the court.

But none of those people have been waiting because they think it's good for the party or for the country.  They're waiting because they think it's good for them.

But I don't care if they endorse Obama or Clinton or wait until the convention.  Clinton doesn't have the delegates.  She won't have the popular vote.  She won't be the nominee.

by EveningStarNM on 03/21/2008 12:25:08 PM EST

I thought my thread was deleted and I look left... (none / 0)

Thats exactly the problem, she won't have the popular vote or the delegates. All that will happen between now and when we get a nominee is harsh scrutiny of Hillary and Barack. We would be better served with our nominee and McCain under the spotlight.

After aour primary is over we begin to try to unify the party around our canditdate. The republics have had a month to do so with potenially several more. Do we want to hobble from the end of August through September and October into November?  I don't.


by Chargrad on 03/21/2008 05:30:48 PM EST

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Im glad to see some movement ... (none / 0)
In actuality guys, I dont care who endorses who anymore, Im just glad to see some movement of the Superdelegates to end this stalemate... hooray for Richardson for having nothing to lose here and endorsing someone...

The longer this drags on, the better chance Grandpa Death has to win...

I truly think when Edwards and Gore come out, the gauntlet will be thrown and then we will know which way the wind is blowing...

I hope it comes soon, so we can fight about what really matters... Issues...

Thanks...:)

by bobo1 on 03/21/2008 12:45:12 PM EST

Don't hold your breath (none / 0)
"I hope it comes soon, so we can fight about what really matters... Issues..."

The Pubs don't run on issues, they run on swift boating and pastor scandals and whatever other slime they can generate.  If they let people focus on issues the people would realize where their best interests lie, and the Pubs would never win anything.  Fortunately for the Pubs the people are basically herd beasts and are easily distracted by smut.

SAM: What's new, Normie?
NORM: Terrorists, Sam. They've taken over my stomach and they're demanding beer.

by Spinny on 03/21/2008 01:23:00 PM EST

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Agreed... (none / 0)
But if the fight between Hillary and Obama goes until June-July, the issues campaign will not have anytime to build, and it will only be a swiftboat/smut campaign...

Republicans usually win those... something about values  - yeah, whatever...


I think if Obama will be in serious trouble if this just turns out to be a name calling general election... he needs it to be on issues, his strong point...


Thanks

by bobo1 on 03/21/2008 01:28:54 PM EST

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common white person (none / 0)

Say what you want about Hillary, at least she didn't throw her own grandmother under the bus. Shame on Barack!

by acroso on 03/23/2008 11:30:58 PM EST

Nice (none / 0)

...I wasn't sure if you were credible until you served up that nice FOX news talking point. Now I'll really listen to what you have to say.

by hazmat on 03/24/2008 12:57:30 AM EST

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talking point (none / 0)
Huh? It's Obama's talking point. He calls his grandmother a typical racist white woman.

by acroso on 03/24/2008 01:05:44 AM EST

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Speaking of liars (none / 0)
 uhhh..I hope H-beast wins to keep the Democrats demoralized too even tho i like Obama acroso on Ron Paul Forum

 

So which is it? You going to regurgitate Coulter talking points all day or explain that comment ?

by MRFred on 03/24/2008 10:00:36 AM EST

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Democrats (none / 0)
Democrats fighting is the best outcome of course.

by acroso on 03/24/2008 11:37:19 AM EST

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Q: How do you know acroso is lying? (none / 0)

A: When he/she hits the post button.

Not what you said before

my ass....they ( McCain )want to stay in Iraq for 100 years.We're better off with Democrats at this point if not Paul...

acroso on the Ron Paul forum 

 Liar

by MRFred on 03/24/2008 12:05:23 PM EST

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Nothing you post has any credibilty...liar (none / 0)
 
I understand what Paul is for, and I fully endorse him! I hope he runs in the general election to stop McStain from defeatng Hilda-beast or Obama.

This is the weakest crop of Rats the liberals have put forward yet.

I find Ron Paul to be the most radical of any of the candidates. .I also think his national security ideology is somewhere to the left of Hillary\Edwards etc, which makes him totally unreasonable.

acroso on TYT

by MRFred on 03/24/2008 12:31:27 PM EST

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Well (none / 0)

Well Paul has said he's not going to get rid of Medicare, Medicaid etc if he were elected.

 

He's definitely not a big L libertarian if he can even be considered one at all in my opinion. 

by acroso on 03/24/2008 12:39:46 PM EST

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Sigh..... (none / 0)
acroso...come on. Obama cringed when his own grandmother said she was afraid of Black men, therefore he called her a racist? I don't remember seeing the bus go by. Logic be damned! The battle cry of bloggers.
 

by Verified1 on 03/24/2008 02:17:30 AM EST

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Rethinking Richardson... (none / 0)
Hey, wasn't Bill Richardson one of those guys a couple of months ago saying that the Superdelegates should vote the way their constituents voted, and not use their own free will of choice?

Who won New Mexico? I believe it was Hillary Clinton.

Hey, Governor Richarson (add blatantly stereotyped Ricky Ricardo voice here)- you got some 'splaining to do!!!!

He just got slammed on American Morning on CNN for this. He looked like somebody just shit on his best suit when it was brought up. I cannot believe this man holds public office.

Richardson says he didnt receive any offers of position or promises for his support of Obama...Say it with me free thinkers - Right....

:)

by bobo1 on 03/24/2008 09:45:05 AM EST

thanks for your keen insight (none / 0)
that Bill Richardson is a politician.

by hazmat on 03/24/2008 01:32:02 PM EST

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yes, I know (none / 0)
but what it took me abit to realize is what a fucking schmuck he really is...

Thanks for your help...

:)

by bobo1 on 03/24/2008 01:52:38 PM EST

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In PA, Murtha matters... (none / 0)
Richardson's endorsement certainly doesn't help Obama in PA.  Murtha is the guy out here and the Dems will flock to Hillary because of his support for her, as is obvious by the poll numbers.  Obama has all but given up in the Keystone State and is hoping to capture a significant portion of the popular vote to pad his national totals. 

By the way, acroso is a troll. Always was and always will be.  I just don't understand why we keep feeding these people.  I was guilty of feeding a troll named Dr. Oz and now I try not to do it anymore. Ignore them.

by TJD on 03/24/2008 02:23:51 PM EST

don't know if you've been watching (none / 0)

But Obama has a habit of campaigning in every state regardless of whether he is going to "win" or not. This is because he recognized early that it is the delegate tally that counts, not the number of states (although he's won that tally in a landslide). So how do you draw the conclusion that he's "given up" PA? That's a Hillary/Giuliani strategy. I fully expect Obama to campaign in PA as though he hopes to win there, even if he doesn't have a chance. As a former admirer of Hillary, I'm a little sad that she lacked the judgement and foresight to campaign for everybody's vote. Instead, she has campaigned on ad hominem and innuendo, and has even campaigned against Obama's voters, calling them "latte sipping liberals" and "elites", "zombies". Hello? she's smearing the very people she needs to vote for her in November. All of this points to the unfortunate truth, that contrary to her message that she is "tested", she has very little experience running competitively for elective office. Her performance in the primary has really damaged her reputation as an "electable" candidate. Bill Clinton ran much smarter campaigns, and I wonder how come he hasn't given her better advice.

by hazmat on 03/24/2008 04:27:02 PM EST

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p.s. (none / 0)
ditto about acroso

by hazmat on 03/24/2008 04:31:12 PM EST

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Do you live in PA, hazmat? (none / 0)
I've seen one ad on the TV for Barack.  I'm sure there have been many more but I haven't seen them.  And, sure, maybe I'm falling for the media's portrayal of Obama's campaign, but I do not see the effort being made here - yet.  His speech in Philly was remarkable.  I'm not used to having a smart person at the podium explaining some of our national crises to me like an adult.  I'm too used to GW and his dumbing down of America.  But, after that speech, where did he go?  Did he stay in PA?  No, he went to NC.  What about campaigning in Pittsburgh, in Allentown, in Harrisburg - all the major cities?  The next time he's coming out here is 2 days before the vote.  I'm just saying that he should be spending more time and money in PA - he has the cash and he has the time.  I don't see any Obama 2008 posters within 10 miles of my home, and I live outside of Allentown.  I saw one person with a bumper sticker, but I haven't seen any action on the ground.  Is this the way he runs his campaign all over?  I'm just saying I think he and his staff can do better in PA.  Maybe I'm wrong.  I've certainly talked him up a bunch.

by TJD on 03/24/2008 05:05:16 PM EST

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nope I don't (none / 0)

I didn't appreciate that you do. If what you say is true, that's unfortunate. But consider also that there's what, 9 contests left? While Hillary is putting all her eggs in one or two baskets, probably PA and NC, Barack has recognized that even though he has an insurmountable lead, he's campaigning hard in every remaining primary, because they're all important. He just swung by here in OR on friday. We've never seen a national primary candidate here. We probably won't ever see Hillary.

Its definitely uncharacteristic of his campaign to concede anything, or even to concede the initiative. Are you undecided?

 

by hazmat on 03/25/2008 12:02:45 AM EST

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