Post-vacation wrap-up [NSFW]

Email Print posted by Twba 03/24/2008 01:58:19 PM EST

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I recently completed a vacation that included a short absence from Young Turks. I skimmed some of the threads posted during my absence and I have a few thoughts on their contents and their omissions.

Jesus Fucking Christ on a stick!

Were there really grown men weeping like a fucking schoolgirl who just witnessed the total destruction of her favorite Barbie doll? And you wept for a fucking speech that did everything but answer the fucking question.

That's right, I was unimpressed by Obama's speech. But I was especially unimpressed by the fucking praise heaped upon it. The mustard and relish sandwich speech does not compare favorably with Abe Lincoln's greatest hits.

We as a nation do not need to have another fucking conversation about race. Every generation is less racist than the one before. We need to stop talking about race and get on with our lives.

But we could use an answer to the question of why Obama joined and then stayed in a church led by a "crazy uncle" who claims that our government purposely created HIV to commit genocide against black people. If you're the guy who can bring us together to get things changed, why were you unable or unwilling to correct the reverend's belief in a ludicrous conspiracy theory? If you're unable to change the mind of your good friend and spiritual mentor, why do you think you can change the mind of Kim Jong Il or Ayatollah Khamenei?

I suspect that the truth Obama is unwilling to tell us is that he joined the church because he needed some street cred. A community activist -- a bullshit artist -- who went to an expensive private high school in Hawaii and Harvard needs to show that he understands where black people are coming from, so he joined a megachurch led by a lunatic.

Geraldine Ferraro goes down

The former VP candidate had the nerve to speak the truth. How dare her!

Voter turnout predicts the future

Don't get carried away based on how many people are voting in the Democratic primaries. High turnout now is no guarantee of victory in November.

Democrats are more enthusiastic, so they're going to win

George McGovern had large crowds of enthusiastic young people at his rallies, and we know how that turned out.

A few days after invading Iran, John McCain will reinstate the draft

Get fucking real. McCain will not invade Iran. And wouldn't it take Congress to reinstate the draft?

Banging gavels

Adamg wrote:

Now I know I said I would pound the gavel when we hit 50% of the states, but the real end of the race is when someone gets 270 EVs. At that point its time to fold up the tent and go home. So I shall halt the gavel a centimeter from the table top and wait for McCain to get the 270 EVs in the next couple of states, before declaring him the decisive winner against both dems.

Adamg does not have the best record for making predictions, especially when gavels are involved:

BANG! BANG! BANG! Record the time, 12:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, May 17, 2006. I am offically making a Young Turks ruling. WAR WITH IRAN IS IMMINENT! IT IS OFFICIALLY UNAVOIDABLE!

So, how did the war turn out, Adamg?

You don't need polls from all fifty states to predict the outcome. There are many states that can be safely predicted to go to one or the other candidate without taking a poll. Arizona will go to McCain. Oregon will go to the Democrat. You only need polls from those few battleground states that can swing either way. And you need to wait until the polls are measuring something meaningful. It's too early.

Saddam linked with al Qaeda

MedfordTim, you wanted to know how they're going to spin this. Just look for the guy who wrote the book on the link.

Omissions

Osama bin Laden released a new cut from his next album of duets with Tupac. When was the last time he provided any evidence that he is still alive? Osama -- not Tupac.

No mention of Arthur C. Clarke? Is this the internet? The man was a scientist who started us down the path to communication satellites in geosynchronous orbit. He collaborated with Kubrick on an iconic film. He wrote books that inspired many to become scientists and engineers.

No mention of David Mamet? Is everyone so mesmerized by Obama that Mamet's essay didn't register?

Rating comments

Let's not get confused by one word descriptions of the ratings. A rating of five means that no matter how poorly written, how many misspellings and grammatical mistakes, how illogical, I agree totally with your collectivist twaddleknockery. A rating of one means that no matter how well written, logical and topical, I hope you get both arms torn off in an industrial accident and never post another comment as long as you live.

Finally

Here is a little video for you:

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Post-vacation wrap-up [NSFW] | 41 comments (41 topical, 0 hidden)
Go back on vacation (5.00 / 2)
You sanctimonious windbag.

by bfaul on 03/24/2008 02:38:26 PM EST

Indeed (none / 1)
Couldn't have said it better myself.

by Spencer on 03/24/2008 03:01:14 PM EST

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A perfect for the both of you (none / 0)

by ihavenobias on 03/24/2008 03:57:02 PM EST

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agree with bfaul (none / 1)

"We as a nation do not need to have another fucking conversation about race. Every generation is less racist than the one before. We need to stop talking about race and get on with our lives."

right.  Crime is decreasing, so let's stop fighting it and hope it just goes away on its own.

"Tits Up"

Obviously sexism isn't going away.  And yes, I know this term actually has its roots in aviation, but I doubt that this is the image that comes to mind for most. 

by desertpear on 03/24/2008 02:53:23 PM EST

Thanks for the update! (none / 0)
How's the Libertarian candidate doing? Whats his name again?

by MRFred on 03/24/2008 03:01:48 PM EST

lower case el (none / 0)
I may be libertarian, but I'm not a Libertarian.

by Twba on 03/24/2008 03:34:48 PM EST

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Upper case A (none / 0)
Well, your post is more upbeat that usual. You must have gotten laid. Congratulations.

by MRFred on 03/24/2008 06:43:27 PM EST

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Yeah, that HIV thing is nuts! (none / 0)
It's almost as crazy as suggesting that the government would run a study on a bunch of black men denying them treatment for syphilis just to see what would happen!  Hahaha!

by jarett on 03/24/2008 03:34:37 PM EST

That's not spin, it's a damned lie. (none / 0)

Good to have you back. Hope you had a relaxing time.

Did you read Mamet's essay? Glad he took the time to examine his own philosophy, but he would have saved himself a lot of time by merely watching one of his own plays/movies. I knew he was a conservative 20 years ago. Wonder what took him so long to figure it out? So he now realizes he's a brain-dead conservative instead of a brain-dead liberal. I'm sure the world rejoices at his epiphany.

Twba, please don't bother trying to make a point valid by referencing Weekly Standard liars, especially those who write Cheney "biographies" or depend on Douglas Feith as their source for "facts." You might as well point me to Rove or Rice. Why not add a link to a Christopher Hitchens diatribe while you're at it?

I've seen Hirsi Ali elsewhere. She is an intelligent, thoughtful, caring person. She also is as far right as a person can be. It takes a real conservative to emigrate to a country and then join a group to stop immigration into their adopted country.

I can't argue with her complaints against Islam. They are the same complaints I have against ALL religions - subjugate your will to an invisible all-powerful being, follow words written in a book, live your life by the tenets of the church or be damned, ostracized, or put to death. The leaders of the faith live in luxury while the sheep suffer in poverty. They all suck. As our illustrious vice-president put it: So?

by MedfordTim on 03/24/2008 04:05:15 PM EST

Spin (none / 0)
Twba, please don't bother trying to make a point valid by referencing Weekly Standard liars, especially those who write Cheney "biographies" or depend on Douglas Feith as their source for "facts." You might as well point me to Rove or Rice. Why not add a link to a Christopher Hitchens diatribe while you're at it?

I wasn't trying to make a point, Tim. I was giving you a link to an article you may not have read already. You asked how they would spin, I showed you the top-shelf spin.

by Twba on 03/24/2008 05:07:32 PM EST

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Oh. (none / 0)

Sorry.

by MedfordTim on 03/24/2008 06:00:05 PM EST

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Mamet and other nonsense (none / 0)

is praying to the "free market" God now.

He hasn't directed any movies of commerical or critcal importance since ...whenever and has been living off of his Glen Gary Glen Ross reputation ( play and movie) for years. Yawn. BFD He must be looking for a sweet Internet distribution deal. "Free market" driven of course.

 

Stephen F. Hayes, well known conservative apologist and political hack . He wrote glowing articles and a book about Cheney , several articles  ( at least 15) citing Saddams documents the recently released report   ) as "proof" of a connection when released: they didnt. He also attacks the CIA when they discounted the connection and so on and on...nobody is buying it, particulary the book,now on sale for 5.95! In that regard I tend to believe the intelligence community:

However, a declassified Pentagon report released Thursday said that interrogations of the deposed Iraqi leader and two of his former aides as well as seized Iraqi documents confirmed that the terrorist organization and the Saddam government were not working together before the invasion.

And: 

Although Feith’s assessment in mid-2002 offered several examples of cooperation between Saddam’s government and al-Qaida, the report said, the CIA had concluded months earlier that no evidence supported the existence of significant or long-term relationships.

He must be Cheney's ghost writer since he keeps spinning the same old bullshit. Maybe Cheney gets a piece of the book proceeds. You would think his cut of Haliburtons Iraq profits would be enough.

 


by MRFred on 03/24/2008 07:52:26 PM EST

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A quick note about the word "Islam" (none / 0)
Ayaan is right when she says "Islam means submission to the will of Allah."  However, this does not mean "slavery."  What it does mean is letting go of the demands of the ego and the constant "I WANT" impulse.

This is a common theme that can be found in Christianity, Judaism, Taoism, Buddhism and Hinduism.  It's not even a bad idea.  It is certainly not the worst thing about any organized religion.

by jarett on 03/24/2008 08:24:48 PM EST

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Twba is not the sanctomonius one here, guys... (none / 1)
I am glad someone has come out and said this. The truth is a hard thing to hear, and a lot of you need to hear it. I like posting here, I like most of you in general, but over the past few weeks, the whining and pontificating over issues and especially over he who shall not be named has been nauseating... I have been trying to tell you guys that you need to come back to the real world. I think its great to support your sides and your candidate, but its very frustrating to keep reading some of your postings when they are based in utter fantasy and nonsense. Its really hard to imagine that some of you actually believe some of the outlandish things you write... TWBA has hit it right on the head on many of his points... I know Ill catch shit for this, but I dont care about that. I hate to see seemingly smart people taking themselves so seriously - at the same time feeding from the same trough of lies and deception that bolsters your ill fated Hopes and Dreams... We will see who is right...in the meantime, happy posting to all, and have a great week!! :)

by bobo1 on 03/24/2008 04:21:50 PM EST

No. (none / 0)
That's it.

You have never, ever managed to cite any actual FACTS as to why Obama is the wrong candidate for the Democratic party or for the country.  You have never been able to turn your fear, uncertainty and doubt into a rational argument.

Wright didn't do it.

Charges of black-on-white racism didn't do it.

Attacks on his principles haven't done it.

Every time, you've come up empty.  Why don't you lead by example for Hillary and just give up?

by jarett on 03/24/2008 05:20:36 PM EST

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What? (none / 0)
Did you respond to the wrong post? What the Hell are you talking about?...

For Once, I wasnt even talking about Obama...


What, is a little self examination that damaging to your feeble psyche? Cant take just the slightest hint of criticism? (not even directed at you personally, by the way...)


Sheesh... And you liberals want CONTROL of our government?

:)

by bobo1 on 03/24/2008 06:11:35 PM EST

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What WERE you referring to? (none / 0)
Obama was the first thing twba mentioned.  Or are you just playing stupid, evasive "you can't criticize me because I won't tell you what I'm talking about" games?

The third grade called, bobo.  They want their "debate style" back.

by jarett on 03/24/2008 08:18:29 PM EST

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Touchy Touchy, jarrett... (none / 0)
I was simply referring to the style and points that TWBA was making in his original postings...

If you were an outsider like me, you would find some of the responses (especially to criticism of Obama supporters) as rather childish, wildly belligerent and sometimes just plain cuckoo... this is how many on the outside of the TYT and Dailykos world view you guys...

Take it as you will, either way it really doesnt matter to me. I think the point TWBA was making is that liberal bloggers thankfully do not represent the whole country, or even a small chunk of the overall electorate... And its probably gonna shock you in the ass when the general election results come in....

I can see the Obamabots crying in disbelief that their man didnt win... I would even go so far as to predict outward violence from some in your following if he doesnt get the nomination or win in November... Some of you seem that devout...

And thats what scares Joe Sixpack and Middle America...

Hell, I might be wrong about all of this! If I am, it wont be the first time - but if Im right, then I hope people learn from this experience - if we do not learn, we are doomed to repeat our failures... And doomed to suffer 4 more years of Republican rule...

No need for evasiveness, jarrett...Im ready to debate the points head on - are you?

by bobo1 on 03/24/2008 09:54:08 PM EST

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Sheesh (none / 0)
"If you were an outsider like me..."

"No need for evasiveness, jarrett...Im ready to debate the points head on - are you?"

Wow!  You sound like a dick.

by Spencer on 03/24/2008 10:51:51 PM EST

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Chocolate, caramel and fucking nuts (none / 0)
That HIV conspiracy theory is fucking nuts. No one has spent more than America to prevent AIDS related deaths. How much do the socialized medical systems of Europe spend researching HIV treatments? How much do they spend supporting AIDS clinics in Africa? America still leads the world.

Why don't you lead by example for Hillary and just give up?

Hillary should stay in and keep her delegates just in case Obama cocks up even more than he already has.

by Twba on 03/24/2008 06:15:48 PM EST

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No more vacations for you (none / 0)

That HIV conspiracy theory is fucking nuts.

Good thing it's not Obama's theory.

Good thing Wright isn't running for office.

Good thing voters like Twba are smart enough to understand that the psychobabble of Wright -- or any other church leader, including John Hagee -- has no significance in this election.

by OneHitKill on 03/24/2008 08:20:22 PM EST

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2 more weeks of vacation this year (none / 0)
Good thing it's not Obama's theory.

Good thing Wright isn't running for office.

Good thing voters like Twba are smart enough to understand that the psychobabble of Wright -- or any other church leader, including John Hagee -- has no significance in this election.

But it does have significance. We know so little about Obama that we have to analyze every little thing for a clue to how he would act as president. It is reasonable to examine his choice of spiritual adviser to get a sense of his judgment.

It's one thing to believe in unprovable nonsense about a supreme being who created everything in the universe and hates many of the inhabitants of said universe. It's another to believe that your government purposely created a virus to kill black people. There is quite a bit of hard evidence that our government did no such thing. Obama joined Wright's megachurch to position himself to win an election, but he stayed in the church and exposed his kids to that crap. That reflects poorly on his judgment.

His mustard and relish sandwich speech was a failure. It got rave reviews from Obama supporters, but it failed to convince swing voters to believe in Obama's change. He made lame excuses for his bad judgment and proffered no bold plans for a post-racial America.

by Twba on 03/26/2008 03:41:47 PM EST

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Will you subject McCain to the same scrutiny? (none / 0)

1) McCain, who wants to run our economy, has admitted that he doesn't understand economics.  How can he possibly make an informed opinion?  One of the first requirements of a President is that he actually be an economist.

2) McCain, who wants to run our foreign relations, did not understand a fundamental set of important relationships among Iraq, Iran, and Saudi Arabia.  These relationships, in which we have invested thousands of American lives and in which he is willing to sacrifice even more, are extremely important to every decision that our next President will have to make regarding the Middle East.  It is NOT trivial that he publicly confused them for three consecutive days (and who knows for how many years before?) until Lieberman publicly corrected him.

Those are only two of the most obvious and extremely serious incompetencies demonstrated by McCain.

Do you have similar substantive criticisms of Obama, or only your irrelevant criticisms of Pastor Wright?

by EveningStarNM on 03/26/2008 09:38:12 PM EST

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I'll let you debate yourself. (none / 0)
Question: "Do you have similar substantive criticisms of Obama?"

Answer: "One of the first requirements of a President is that he actually be an economist."

Assertion: "McCain, who wants to run our foreign relations, did not understand a fundamental set of important relationships among Iraq, Iran, and Saudi Arabia."

Comparison: "Obama, who wants to run our foreign relations, did not understand that invading Pakistan, an important ally in the war against al Qaeda, and who happens to possess nuclear weapons, would be a foolhardy action that is destabilizing to the region. 

by KenTX on 03/26/2008 09:49:21 PM EST

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Just got Otis Redding, 'Otis' Blue on disc (none / 0)

Smooth.  Excellent music.  Yeah, I know that discs are passe, but the sound is higher quality than you can easily find in downloads, and I've got great really good hardware.

by EveningStarNM on 03/26/2008 11:08:31 PM EST

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Scrutinized (none / 0)
McCain, who wants to run our economy...

No. McCain wants to be president. The president does not run the economy.

One of the first requirements of a President is that he actually be an economist.

Well, that disqualifies McCain, Clinton and Obama. Of course, any of those three could do what non-economist Bill Clinton did. He had economists on staff to advise him.

McCain, who wants to run our foreign relations...

Finally, you have made a truthful statement. The president is our chief diplomat. You have highlighted McCain's gaffe that he corrected with bipartisan support from Lieberman.

Obama and Clinton want to begin running our foreign relations by pissing off Canadians and Mexicans over NAFTA. I'm still waiting for them to correct those gaffes.

by Twba on 03/28/2008 02:53:23 PM EST

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Trivial Refutations (none / 0)

Yep.  I shot my mouth off.  It would be nice if a President was an economist.  I believe that should be a requirement.  Neither Obama nor Clinton are economist's either.  But both have shown far superior understanding of economics than McCain, who is soliciting advice about from whom to solicit advice from neo-conservative imbiciles who already have shown that the only thing they know how to do is to destroy our economy.

That you bemoan as a "gaffe" their goal of modifying if not actually replacing NAFTA shows their determination to focus on strengthening the American economy.  Both of them have come around to the idea that free trade hurts us while fair trade helps everyone.  Neocons always discount the simple mathematics of this fact.  Besides, the Canadians won't care much about that and will probably support it, since encouraging the growth of the environmental protection industry, a fundamental tenet of fair trade, will help grow their economy, too.

And the Mexicans will benefit from any agreement at all.  But a "free" trade agreement is not what they need.  They need investment and a fair trade agreement that will actually raise living standards there so that people will want to live in Mexico.  It should be clear that NAFTA has NOT benefited Mexico as it was claimed that it would.  Millions of Mexicans still want to come to the U.S. because working and living conditions there still suck.  A fair trade agreement could have changed that.

by EveningStarNM on 03/28/2008 11:26:12 PM EST

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NAFTA (none / 0)
It should be clear that NAFTA has NOT benefited Mexico as it was claimed that it would.

Since NAFTA's implementation in 1994, Mexico's GDP has grown at an average annual rate of 2.7 percent. Mexican exports to the United States have grown from $60 billion to $280 billion per year. U.S. exports to Mexico have tripled. And the cost to Mexican shoppers for basic household goods has fallen by 50 percent. Mexico has clearly benefited from NAFTA.

Millions of Mexicans still want to come to the U.S. because working and living conditions there still suck.  A fair trade agreement could have changed that.

No trade deal can fix what still ails Mexico. Mexico suffers from a lack of economic liberalization that can only come from within. The most obvious candidate for reform is the energy sector led by Pemex.

by Twba on 03/29/2008 09:26:03 AM EST

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Please tell me you're kidding. (none / 0)
Mexico is a Republican's paradise, but you want economic "liberalization" which really has nothing to do with liberalism at all.  It's just a code word for the unregulated mess that they already have there and for what Republicans want here.

There are no unions worth mentioning.  There is no regulation worth mentioning.  There are no taxes worth mentioning.  But there are growing numbers of children who don't have enough to eat.  Extreme poverty is rampant in Mexico, and if capitalism was any more "liberal" then there would be even more children dying in the streets.

Sure, Mexico's GDP has grown, just as ours did when Bush implemented his disasterous policies which resulted in the jobless recovery which saw incomes for the super rich soar while everyone else has struggled just to maintain their standards of living.  That growth was just a trick of the numbers, because the majority of people did not benefit from the largesse they bestowed on the rich, who now pay only 54% of the national tax burden while raking in 63% of the national income.  (Please tell me how fair that is.)  NAFTA has benefited very few people, and primarily those who have never wanted for anything.

An economy must serve all of the people, not merely the already over-privileged super-wealthy.  NAFTA fails to serve the majority of people in any country.

by EveningStarNM on 03/31/2008 02:52:57 AM EST

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I'm not kidding (none / 0)
Mexico is a Republican's paradise, but you want economic "liberalization" which really has nothing to do with liberalism at all.

The liberalism I refer to is classical liberalism. That is precisely what Mexico needs.

There are no unions worth mentioning.

I wrote: No trade deal can fix what still ails Mexico. Mexico suffers from a lack of economic liberalization that can only come from within. The most obvious candidate for reform is the energy sector led by Pemex.

Guillermo Najera, a 42-year-old machine operator at Mexican state-controlled oil company Petroleos Mexicanos, gets paid to do nothing all day. Pemex management can't fire the union worker or transfer him from the ammonia plant in Ciudad Camargo, where he still shows up for work even though the plant stopped production in 2002.

"We don't have anything else to do except keep our areas clean," Najera says as he and dozens of other idle workers enter the gates of the plant for the 7 a.m. shift. "I want to go back to work."

Pemex's lack of control over its 110,000 union workers is just one symptom of a deeper malaise at Mexico's largest company. Pemex, which produces more crude oil every year than Exxon Mobil Corp., suffers from too little investment, high taxes, laws that forbid competition, corruption and corroding and exploding pipelines.

There is at least one union worth mentioning.

by Twba on 04/01/2008 09:19:49 AM EST

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by the way (none / 0)
the whining and pontificating over issues and especially over he who shall not be named has been nauseating...

I knew there was a reason I was sure you were bullshitting.

by jarett on 03/24/2008 11:00:03 PM EST

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No, thats a running Joke... (none / 0)
Over on my McCain VP Blog...

Tim and Fred said that I focus too much on Obama Bashing, so I was tenderly dancing around the name that shall not be given in order to make points other than about the chosen one... (see how it works?)


Its not like hes Voldermort, or something of that equivalent... Is He?

Just Kidding...really!!!

by bobo1 on 03/24/2008 11:24:05 PM EST

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Me, Me, Me (none / 1)
A quick overview of posts and not even a congenial hello to a lost compatriot. I'm so disapointed. On the other hand your post reminds me of why I once so enjoyed this forum, being pointed towards news and veiwpoints I had not thought of or had missed out on. Pulling my head out of the sand may be more enlightening than I thought .

by juebawl on 03/24/2008 06:24:31 PM EST

You, you, you (none / 0)
Welcome back, Juebawl.

As a fan of Asimov, aren't you a little disappointed that no one took a little time away from the wall to wall Obama coverage and mentioned the passing of Arthur C. Clarke? Who's left from the Golden Age? I read an article about Ray Bradbury in the LA Times not too long ago. I think he's still with us. The rest must be tits up by now.

by Twba on 03/24/2008 07:44:40 PM EST

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Visionaries, one and all (none / 0)
To be honest I haven't read enough of the posts to know that, but it would certainly diserve a mention. Wasn't there a thread in the old forum dedicated to just this kind of thing, a sort of obit thing. Andre Norton is another who comes to mind and Robert Heinlan (Tim thought my user name came from Jubal Hackensack (is that right, been a long time since I read it), Stranger in a Strange Land.

by juebawl on 03/24/2008 08:10:25 PM EST

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Harshaw, not Hackensack! (none / 0)

Sheesh!

And what was my greeting to Twba, chopped liver?

by MedfordTim on 03/24/2008 08:39:12 PM EST

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I grok. (none / 0)

by Spencer on 03/24/2008 09:07:05 PM EST

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Momma will spank me for my ignarance Tim (none / 0)

by juebawl on 03/24/2008 10:37:12 PM EST

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Living in interesting times (none / 0)
The old forum even had a thread dedicated to Our Lady of the Chicago Underpass.

You returned during a difficult period for this forum. The contest between Hillary and Barack has eclipsed just about everything else.

by Twba on 03/26/2008 03:43:35 PM EST

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David Mamet's Ludicrous Epiphany (none / 0)
Mamet complains that NPR stands for "National Palestinian Radio" and everything is not always bad.

He juxtaposes this inanity with his previous equally inane (and completely irrational and illogical) "article of faith that government is corrupt, that business is exploitative, and that people are generally good at heart".

He makes that latter statement apparently with a straight face, as if it was not inherently self-contradictory and unrealistically cynica l.

Such shallowness is typical of Mamet.  He is worth ignoring.

by EveningStarNM on 03/24/2008 07:32:29 PM EST

No need to hurry back (none / 1)
In fact  why not take an extended leave?

by Chinese Democracy on 03/24/2008 08:29:21 PM EST

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