The Election is Just a Distraction

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I just watched a documentary film online that had a major impact on me.  If I could sum up the movie in one sentence, I'd say "Everything you know about the world is wrong."

How important is the current election in the context of globalization of world economic and military power?   I would say "not very".  I recently viewed the movie "Zeitgeist" (view free at  Zeitgeist, The Movie, and I have to say it does a great job of artfully tying together religion, terror, politics, and globalization into a neat package.  After viewing this movie I have to say that I think it is likely that 9/11 was an inside job.  This is a major change in viewpoint for me.  If you enjoyed "The God Who Wasn't There," "Loose Change", "America: Freedom to Fascism," you will love this movie.  But this film really did a beautiful job of tying it all together which is in essence the definition of Zeitgeist.  This was a real eye opener.  I almost turned this movie off in the middle during the 9/11 conspiracy section, but I stuck with it and I'm glad I did.  The movie also has a moral which explains how easily power that has been taken from people can be taken back.  If you are not a fan of truth and reality, stay away. 
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really, truly. but Zeitgeist is for gullible people. It is a classic example of intellectual charlatanism.

by hazmat on 03/24/2008 02:55:33 PM EST


I've always been a big believer in Occam's Razor theory that the simplest explanation is usually the correct one.  After watching the full 2 hour film, I found Zeitgeist to be the simplest explanation of how the modern world works.  If that makes me a simpleton, then so be it.  I'd rather be prepared for something that may never occur than to be surprised if it happens.

by CooLikeABird on 03/24/2008 03:35:22 PM EST


I'm not going to judge you for a simpleton. Popular media like Zeitgeist fall squarely into the category of pseudoscience. They are effective because they are very clever in deployment of subtle but time-honored but misleading techniques of persuasion that aren't easy to spot for the untrained eye. I would urge you to read The Demon Haunted World by Carl Sagan and then revisit Zeitgeist. He has an excellent chapter in there called the "boloney detection kit" where he outlines all the basic techniques that charlatans use to fool people to, say, believe in U.F.O.s

by hazmat on 03/24/2008 04:08:26 PM EST

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I don't see how you can reference Occam's Razor and then say that you're beginning to believe that 9/11 was an inside job.  Compare these two scenarios:

1)  A Muslim extremist group which is well financed and has a known track record of successful attacks on western interests, including suicide attacks on US embassies and a US warship, pays for flight training for a group of it's most educated adherants who then hijack planes in a coordinated attack and fly them into buildings at the same time, using known lax security precautions as their primary tool.  Two airplanes which strike the WTC towers cause very intense heat that softens and buckles the steel supports, causing the towers to collapse.  One strikes the Pentagon causing fire and a limited section of the building to burn and collapse.  Another tries for some undetermined Washington landmark but is thwarted by a few brave souls who find out that they are being used as living bombs and decide to break their way into the cockpit rather than just sit still and take it.

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2)  A very large group of government employees conspire to stage a fake suicide attack, aided by a group of 19 Arabs with known connections to Al Qaida, who are somehow induced to commit suicide on behalf of a US government plot (Do you pay such people to commit suicide?).  The plotters coordinate the planting of explosive devices to detonate in the precise places in the towers where the airplanes strike, all without arousing the notice or suspicion of anyone working in the World Trade Center and Pentagon.  Note also that the planted explosives must survive the inferno caused by jet fuel burning at the impact point.  The conpirators involve top cabinet members, Air Force personnel, large numbers of explosives technicians, personnel in both WTC towers and the Pentagon, ground controllers, pilots, flight crew, and maybe even airplane passengers.  All of these people must keep absolutely quite about the plot and have a sociopathic predisposition that would allow them to silently watch thousands of innocent people die (we're lucky as all hell it wasn't more than 3,000) for some political conspiracy.  Such people would have to be more detached and murderous than your average Jeffrey Dahmer.  All of this would have to go off without a hitch and leave no evidence behind. 

 

In one sense it can be forgiven that people ask the question "Did Bush know ahead of time?", because he was so completely blind-sided by the event in spite of being warned repeatedly that there was a very high probability of terrorist activity in the US or on US interests.  This can easily be explained, however, if you understand that they viewed Al Qaida and Bin Laden as "Clinton's boogieman".  They expressed disdain at anything that the Clinton administration viewed as crucial.  They did this all across the board, economic, regulatory, military, judicial, you name the aspect of government, they sought to scrub it of anything Clinton left as a legacy.   

Read the book "Against All Enemies" by Richard Clarke and you'll get an excellent overall idea of just how they perceived foreign policy and national security.  Read Bob Woodward's "State of Denial" for a useful secondary viewpoint.

If I thought there was any credibility to these claims it would be one thing, but they require such extaordinary coordination, collaboration with a large number of conpirators, and an incredible, deliberate, sociopathic malice on the part of some of  the highest government officials in the US that a conpiracy is several orders of magnitude less likely than the scenario it purports to explain.

I think these conspiracy theories distract us from thinking about and solving problems that are crucial.  We can't afford to waste time on this kind of nonsense at this critical time in our history.  I apologize if I come off as abrasive but I really do think it is a load of bullshit.  

by bfaul on 03/24/2008 07:20:04 PM EST

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  1. George Bush planned and executed 9-11.
  2. America should withdraw from Iraq, Afghanistan and the entire Middle East.
  3. Bush keeps winning every issue, even though Democrats control Congress, because he’s an evil genius.
  4. Socialism can eliminate inequity and unfairness in America.
  5. High taxes can balance the federal budget and redistribute wealth.

by KenTX on 03/25/2008 01:30:11 AM EST

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