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Hillary and her arguments don’t seem to be able to hold their own against Barak’s arguments.   Unable to hold her own on a level stage under the lights, she has decided to have her surrogates flood the media with slurs, smears and innuendoes.

Remember the line from Barak about driving the bus into the ditch?  That was a great and relevant line.  It summed up the whole argument and the campaign very succinctly.   How do you combat all those arguments about his position in the Senate being the same as hers?   While he is saying they were completely different on Iraq.  How do you untangle that disagreement? 

It summed up what Barak means to me.  People always say he’s good with words, but to me, that is the by product.  He’s good with thoughts, so precise, so ‘to the point’.   His argument is that Hillary had driven the bus into the ditch and there aren’t that many options on how to get it out.  That is why his votes on Iraq in the Senate are the same as hers.  Because, once the bus is in there, due to her lack of judgment, everyone is then deciding the same thing, how to get out.  But his judgment would have kept the bus out of the ditch in the first place.  How brilliant!

Barak was in the middle of a contentious election and it was an unpopular time to be opposed to the war.  But Barak made his position clear and stood up for what he believed.  Hillary made the choice for short term political expediency.  Hers was a short term, short sighted political calculation that has led to disaster.  She will neither apologize nor own up to the consequences of her decision.  What have we lost in blood, treasure, world standing, moral high ground, etc.?   Oh, the results of those short term, short sighted decision made only for political expediency  . . .

And now, we have Hillary’s short term, short sighted judgment driving us into another ditch, the gutter.   Hillary and her arguments don’t seem to be able to hold their own against Barak’s arguments.   Unable to hold her own on a level stage under the lights, she has decided to have her surrogates flood the media with slurs, smears and innuendoes, "Barak needs to explain this, Barak needs to answer to that."  Without thought for the consequences, the party, the voters or the nation, her overarching, unitary, primal directive again seems to be personal political expediency.  If I don’t do this then I won’t win.  End of discussion – for her mind.

And there you have it, yet another real time example of Hillary and her judgment and how she manages, reacts and governs.  She shows herself time and time again as the weaker person and the weaker candidate.  If all you can do is fight, whether you are right or wrong, you’re a fighter, well, isn’t that what we have right now in GW?
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PR is the only winner-take-all-state and it's 63 delegates. She's going to have to pull her inside strings to get all those delegates since she absolutely needs them in order to defeat Obama.

by acroso on 03/06/2008 02:23:02 PM EST


any implication that Democrats are weak and would give in to the terrorists polite? Why are they allowed to be complete and utter assholes, but we're not allowed to call them out on it? Cenk

Maybe you could enlighten us as to where you came up with this information other than regurgitating Rush Limbaugh....

  • Dems think our troops are "Nazis" http://www.theyoungturks.co m/comments/2007/10/25/21313 4/43/102#102
  • Dems are starting their vicious attack on American identity, national religion, taxpayers etc, http://www.theyoungturks.co m/comments/2007/10/22/11525 /191/10#10
  • Voting for Democrats are at best like voting for street bums and at worst a lot like voting for terrorists.http://www.theyo ungturks.com/comments/2007/ 10/14/155517/23/33#33
  • Dems do want to take away our guns and they do want to limit our freedom of speech http://www.theyoungturks.co m/comments/2007/6/20/13312/ 0705/3#3
  • La Raza is running and directing what the dems do http://www.theyoungturks.co m/comments/2007/6/14/16394/ 1135/15#15
  • The dems desire to defeat the troops in Iraq and Afganistan. They want to impeach Bush because that is another way to victory in the war against the war (or another way to defeat the U.S., whichever way you look at it.) http://www.theyoungturks.co m/comments/2007/4/11/112312 /588/9#9
  • Pelosi has set a date for surrender to the terrorists in Iraq, Pelosi has set a date for surrender to the terrorists in Iraq, http://www.theyoungturks.co m/comments/2007/4/11/112312 /588/2#2
  • the Terrorists and the Democrats have had a lot of success in their attempts to break the will to fight of the American people. http://www.theyoungturks.co m/comments/2007/4/9/131553/ 4837/1#1
  • Many Americans have lsot the will to fight the terrorists after the non-stop rhetoric coming from the left and the L&S divisions of our campuses http://www.theyoungturks.co m/comments/2007/4/9/131553/ 4837/1#1
  • The Dems mato is defeat. Common sense tells us they were going to surrender to the terrorists if they took power incongress.This defeatism means implementing dates for withdrawal and defunding the our troops. http://www.theyoungturks.co m/comments/2007/3/28/102731 /281/11#11
  • Nancy hangs the troops out to dry to let the Americans know who the dems really are and to lets the Islamos know that your party supports them http://www.theyoungturks.co m/comments/2007/3/23/14658/ 5848/1#1
  • Go complain to Harry Reid who is heading up the defeat our troopsbillhttp://www.theyou ngturks.com/comments/2007/3 /2/941/60818/2#2
  • the Dems support the troops by supporting their defeat. The dems can't be trusted on any matters of national security.http://www.theyoun gturks.com/comments/2007/2/ 25/61739/1922/63#63
  • I posted his closing speech in the effort to stop the Dems pro-Al Qaeda resolution.http://www.theyo ungturks.com/comments/2007/ 2/25/61739/1922/54#54
  • Dems ARE unpatriotic bafoons, and the republicans aren't. http://www.theyoungturks.co m/comments/2007/2/16/13593/ 4879/2#2
  • Well if there is one thing the Dems don't do is " Caring about our country." They've been working on tearing apart the ideaof what it means to be American since way before the farewell speech of Reagan where he talked about the elimination of nationalpride and collective memory.http://www.theyoungt urks.com/comments/2007/2/17 /22318/8973/22#22
  • the Dem supported the troops by supporting their defeat in the 60s. Now they "support" the troops by supporting their defeatin the war on terror. It comes to reason that the Democrats DO NOT SUPPORT THE TROOPS.http://www.theyoungt urks.com/comments/2007/2/15 /175041/565/41#41
  • How did they manage to trick the voters into this new hope ( Obama ed.) filled bipartisan agenda when the cooks are running their party?http://www.theyoungtu rks.com/comments/2007/2/6/1 1367/49130/2#2
  • Like I said, if it wasn't for the Democrats hindering the war effort, funding, and the troops we'd have won these years ago. What we need is a much larger standing army, more media control, and fewer rules. Unfortunately Al Qaeda has learned to game our media in order to dispirit the American people and the dems just act an amplifier for their message. http://www.theyoungturks.co m/comments/2007/2/2/18320/2 3155/9#9
  • CNN can play the terrorists propaganda vids along side of the dem resolution supporting the terrorists.
  • Well I do know why the dems voted for General Patraeus and his plan for a surge along with giving funding to president Bush for the troops surge yet pass resolutions opposing what they just did\approved. It's all politics. Their rabid anti-American base demands that the dems politicize the war and pretend to not support the troop http://www.theyoungturks.co m/comments/2006/5/3/12955/5 1892/8#8
  • the CNN sniper video of troops getting shot that was filmed by the terrorists in Iraq for propaganda. They want to break the American will so they give the tapes to the libs in our lib media who have like minded goals.  http://www.theyoungturks.co m/comments/2007/1/5/19828/5 3784/2#2
  • The dems are invested in defeat, and cheer it on http://www.theyoungturks.co m/comments/2006/12/3/151518 /361/4#4

by MRFred on 03/07/2008 09:52:09 AM EST

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You make a very good point acroso - Puerto Rico is huge!  I assume they have 8 superdelegates since I'm showing 55 pledged...

by rev24 on 03/07/2008 08:27:20 PM EST

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It's been a long time that I've been so sickened by a politician.  I understand we're getting into the last rounds, but keep that mouthpiece in Hillary for the sake of the Democratic Party.  You're no fighter Hillary; you're a dirty saboteur that I pray to god that I will not have vote for in November.  I use to respect, at one time supported, now everything lost....

by rev24 on 03/06/2008 09:43:32 PM EST


You expected her to fade away into the sunset without a fight?

by acroso on 03/06/2008 10:51:48 PM EST

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Comparing herself to McCain today?  Saying McCain is more qualified than Obama?  If she wins, she might as well pick Lieberman as a running mate.  This is no fight - this is a disgrace!

by rev24 on 03/07/2008 12:17:57 AM EST

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Dems in Pennsylvania must really like her since she was +15 in rasmussen polling today against Obama.

by acroso on 03/07/2008 01:25:15 AM EST

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I've found Rasmussen to be one of the least reliable polls.

by Verified1 on 03/07/2008 05:19:16 AM EST

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Thats why its the poll of choice of right wingers

by Chinese Democracy on 03/07/2008 09:32:43 AM EST

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Zogby had Obama winning California by about 15 points. He guaranteed John Kerry would win 2004 on elections eve.

 

Now that's accurate polling lol. 

by acroso on 03/07/2008 10:46:12 AM EST

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Zogby gets it wrong .. Rasmussen makes it wrong  get the difference?

by Chinese Democracy on 03/07/2008 01:37:02 PM EST

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Final polling in California. Rasmussen has a virtual tie. Closer than Zogby's 13 point Obama blowout!

 

Can you think of time that Rasmussen poorly preformed? Nope...you just like stating general impressions.

by acroso on 03/07/2008 02:08:08 PM EST

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From Media Matters

Media conservatives cited faulty poll to claim popular support for domestic spying program

    Summary: Conservative media figures have defended the Bush administration's warrantless domestic surveillance program by citing a Rasmussen poll saying 64 percent of Americans believe "the National Security Agency [should] be allowed to intercept telephone conversations between terrorism suspects in other countries and people living in the United States." But the key issue, which the poll misrepresents, is not whether surveillance of terrorism suspects should take place at all -- something about which there is little controversy -- but whether President Bush violated the law by approving warrantless searches of domestic phone and email communications.

The survey question is flawed in other respects, as well. It does not mention that Bush apparently authorized this surveillance without the meaningful oversight of any court or Congress. Moreover, while the question suggests that Bush has authorized surveillance only between "terrorism suspects in other countries and people living in the United States," in fact, the program has reportedly captured conversations in which all parties were located in the United States.

MSNBC political analyst Pat Buchanan, Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer, CNBC host Lawrence Kudlow, and conservative radio host Michael Reagan referenced the Rasmussen poll in defending Bush's authorization of the NSA eavesdropping program. The poll, conducted December 26-27, asked respondents: "Should the National Security Agency be allowed to intercept telephone conversations between terrorism suspects in other countries and people living in the United States?" Sixty-four percent of respondents answered "Yes." But the poll omitted a key fact in the debate that has erupted following The New York Times' disclosure of the domestic surveillance program.

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Zogby sometimes gets it wrong Rasmussen makes it wrong.. Thats why you refer to it.

by Chinese Democracy on 03/07/2008 02:49:37 PM EST

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Dodging the questions again....

any implication that Democrats are weak and would give in to the terrorists polite? Why are they allowed to be complete and utter assholes, but we're not allowed to call them out on it? Cenk

Maybe you could enlighten us as to where you came up with this information other than regurgitating Rush Limbaugh? Prove your lies.

  • Dems think our troops are "Nazis" http://www.theyoungturks.co m/comments/2007/10/25/21313 4/43/102#102
  • Dems are starting their vicious attack on American identity, national religion, taxpayers etc, http://www.theyoungturks.co m/comments/2007/10/22/11525 /191/10#10
  • Voting for Democrats are at best like voting for street bums and at worst a lot like voting for terrorists.http://www.theyo ungturks.com/comments/2007/ 10/14/155517/23/33#33
  • Dems do want to take away our guns and they do want to limit our freedom of speech http://www.theyoungturks.co m/comments/2007/6/20/13312/ 0705/3#3
  • La Raza is running and directing what the dems do http://www.theyoungturks.co m/comments/2007/6/14/16394/ 1135/15#15
  • The dems desire to defeat the troops in Iraq and Afganistan. They want to impeach Bush because that is another way to victory in the war against the war (or another way to defeat the U.S., whichever way you look at it.) http://www.theyoungturks.co m/comments/2007/4/11/112312 /588/9#9
  • Pelosi has set a date for surrender to the terrorists in Iraq, Pelosi has set a date for surrender to the terrorists in Iraq, http://www.theyoungturks.co m/comments/2007/4/11/112312 /588/2#2
  • the Terrorists and the Democrats have had a lot of success in their attempts to break the will to fight of the American people. http://www.theyoungturks.co m/comments/2007/4/9/131553/ 4837/1#1
  • Many Americans have lsot the will to fight the terrorists after the non-stop rhetoric coming from the left and the L&S divisions of our campuses http://www.theyoungturks.co m/comments/2007/4/9/131553/ 4837/1#1
  • The Dems mato is defeat. Common sense tells us they were going to surrender to the terrorists if they took power incongress.This defeatism means implementing dates for withdrawal and defunding the our troops. http://www.theyoungturks.co m/comments/2007/3/28/102731 /281/11#11
  • Nancy hangs the troops out to dry to let the Americans know who the dems really are and to lets the Islamos know that your party supports them http://www.theyoungturks.co m/comments/2007/3/23/14658/ 5848/1#1
  • Go complain to Harry Reid who is heading up the defeat our troopsbillhttp://www.theyou ngturks.com/comments/2007/3 /2/941/60818/2#2
  • the Dems support the troops by supporting their defeat. The dems can't be trusted on any matters of national security.http://www.theyoun gturks.com/comments/2007/2/ 25/61739/1922/63#63
  • I posted his closing speech in the effort to stop the Dems pro-Al Qaeda resolution.http://www.theyo ungturks.com/comments/2007/ 2/25/61739/1922/54#54
  • Dems ARE unpatriotic bafoons, and the republicans aren't. http://www.theyoungturks.co m/comments/2007/2/16/13593/ 4879/2#2
  • Well if there is one thing the Dems don't do is " Caring about our country." They've been working on tearing apart the ideaof what it means to be American since way before the farewell speech of Reagan where he talked about the elimination of nationalpride and collective memory.http://www.theyoungt urks.com/comments/2007/2/17 /22318/8973/22#22
  • the Dem supported the troops by supporting their defeat in the 60s. Now they "support" the troops by supporting their defeatin the war on terror. It comes to reason that the Democrats DO NOT SUPPORT THE TROOPS.http://www.theyoungt urks.com/comments/2007/2/15 /175041/565/41#41
  • How did they manage to trick the voters into this new hope ( Obama ed.) filled bipartisan agenda when the cooks are running their party?http://www.theyoungtu rks.com/comments/2007/2/6/1 1367/49130/2#2
  • Like I said, if it wasn't for the Democrats hindering the war effort, funding, and the troops we'd have won these years ago. What we need is a much larger standing army, more media control, and fewer rules. Unfortunately Al Qaeda has learned to game our media in order to dispirit the American people and the dems just act an amplifier for their message. http://www.theyoungturks.co m/comments/2007/2/2/18320/2 3155/9#9
  • CNN can play the terrorists propaganda vids along side of the dem resolution supporting the terrorists.
  • Well I do know why the dems voted for General Patraeus and his plan for a surge along with giving funding to president Bush for the troops surge yet pass resolutions opposing what they just did\approved. It's all politics. Their rabid anti-American base demands that the dems politicize the war and pretend to not support the troop http://www.theyoungturks.co m/comments/2006/5/3/12955/5 1892/8#8
  • the CNN sniper video of troops getting shot that was filmed by the terrorists in Iraq for propaganda. They want to break the American will so they give the tapes to the libs in our lib media who have like minded goals.  http://www.theyoungturks.co m/comments/2007/1/5/19828/5 3784/2#2
  • The dems are invested in defeat, and cheer it on http://www.theyoungturks.co m/comments/2006/12/3/151518 /361/4#4

by MRFred on 03/08/2008 08:25:37 PM EST

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Pull yourself together

Look at it this way Clinton just did us a favor.

Have Liberals forgotten what has happened in the last 2 elections? The Big bad Republican bully used negative ads, lies, smears, fear etc  to win.

Instead of fighting back our pussy politicians whined and cried.
AND LOST

Better to happen now than in the general election.

Because Clinton's kitchen sink is nothing compared to the brick building the Pubs will throw at him

Simply put if he can't take a punch (or throw one) he shouldn't be our candidate.

Now we get to find out if A) he will fight back and B) does he know how to do it effectively.

by LORD FOUL on 03/07/2008 06:52:55 AM EST

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lol @ slap .. you have a point about Clinton giving Obama a test run  since she uses the same tactics.

by Chinese Democracy on 03/08/2008 01:54:12 PM EST

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A  he does fight back in fact he responds immediately

B  judging by the record breaking amount of money he has raised. His methods are highly effective

by Chinese Democracy on 03/07/2008 09:35:04 AM EST

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His immediate responses didn't help in Tex or Ohio.

Raising money doesn't mean he can respond effectively

Obama outspent Clinton in those states 2 to 1

I am sorry I like Obama but he needs to show me something

I am not worried about his 3am experience, I am worried about his election experience. He has only run 1 major race and he was running vitually unopposed.

From what I have been reading here at TYT the liberals are "crying" because the bitch bloodied his nose and how unfair it is and how she is helping McCain etc etc etc

by LORD FOUL on 03/07/2008 03:28:26 PM EST

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I'm assuming you've read my new thread on how Olbermann (appropriately) tore Hillary a new one.

In it you'll notice that my objection is not about anything being "unfair".  Also, how is the fact that she's helping McCain not a relevant issue?  You suggest as though if someone (say the liberal-respected Olbermann) brings it up he/she is automatically whining, which is absurd.

I'd go on but I've already address this issue in the other thread, so go ahead and read it there (besides, your surrogate Bobo already made your arguments for you ;).

by ihavenobias on 03/07/2008 03:48:26 PM EST

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McCain doesn't need her help.


LOOK BACK, the PUBs are way better at smears, lies, fears etc. If you think the Pubs haven't thought of that kind of an ad then you are hopeless.

Better now than in OCTOBER

She is going to beat him over the head with this until he figures out how to fight back " Attack her and McCain on their experience in a smart and funny way"





 

by LORD FOUL on 03/07/2008 05:02:16 PM EST

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McCain has plenty of experience  carrying on Bush's failed unpopular policies.

Smear and fear huh? Have you seen Bush's approval ratings  ? How about Iraq ? What is it, 70 Percent are against the war?

Its not going to work
I highly doubt Billarys famous phone call ad actually made that much difference.  

I mean everyone knows she wasn't answering the phone before , she was busy picking flowers for the White House Easter egg roll.

by Chinese Democracy on 03/07/2008 10:41:43 PM EST

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Kerry was leading in the polls until the slime started. In fact every Dem presidential candidate held a lead only to watch it evaporate under the weight of negative advertising and a compliant press. Your faith in the voters is misguided


You mentioned Bush's disapproval ratings. Cenk just did a story on polls about how people disapprove of bush's handling of the war and the direction it is going, yet the same poll shows McCain having high approval on the same issue with the SAME POLICY

How do you explain Clintons victories? It certianly wasn't for niceness.

It doesn't matter who our nominee is. If he or she doesn't fight they will lose and deservedly so.


by LORD FOUL on 03/08/2008 09:54:25 AM EST

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Obama isn't Kerry.  In any way shape or form.

by Chinese Democracy on 03/08/2008 12:25:24 PM EST

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Putting aside her more critical Iraq and Kyl/Lieberman votes, Sen. Clinton just failed another "3am" moment. 

Re: the "NAFTAgate" issue. It likely would have been a non-issue had Hillary not blindly run with the misinformation supplied by a Right Wing government and a Right Wing media source.

But now, because of Hillary's intemperate and uninformed response, in taking advantage of the story for her political advantage, the government of our neighbors to the North is in turmoil, and the leadership may even be in danger of removal.

Is this the temperament and judgment we want responding to an actual crisis? Hell, she'd probably be too busy quieting down the last crisis she'd managed to rant her way into.

by plooger on 03/07/2008 01:31:37 PM EST


And, it appears that it was Hillary's team that contacted the Canadian government to tell them not to worry about what is said during the election.  How's that for mis-information?  That is what Matthews said.

by pdsimdars on 03/07/2008 02:58:48 PM EST

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Yup that was the last straw for me

  1. She said she would rather see McCain in office than Obama
  2. The phone call ad

  3. She is Lieberman like in so many ways. She is a free trade freak. She is beholding to corporations . She voted for the war and still defends the vote.

  4. She smeared Obama by trying to blame him for "calling Canada" and it turns out HER people did it.

That bitch needs to be stopped

by Chinese Democracy on 03/08/2008 12:29:02 PM EST

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"Yup that was the last straw for me"

Yup, and if she wins the nomination, you will certainly vote for her in the general election.

by KenTX on 03/08/2008 11:22:21 PM EST

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When you're facing backlash in the form of snowshoes, hockey pucks and Dan Aykroyd, you don't mess around.  Our military resources are stretched far too thin in the Middle East without having to worry about an angry horde descending on us from the Great White North.

We should probably build a fence, though.  Just to be safe. 

by OneHitKill on 03/08/2008 05:03:57 AM EST

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Obama's senior economic adviser contacted Canada and explained the campaign's rhetoric on NAFTA. Here is the memo that describes the meeting. Why did Obama deny that the meeting took place?

by Twba on 03/08/2008 05:29:55 PM EST

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You'd know that what was discussed about NAFTA was NOT inconsistent with Obama's rhetoric, and that's the important thing.

That's in contrast to Hillary's rhetoric, which is not only inconsistent to where she was a few years ago, but also inconsistent with what Canada was told.

by ihavenobias on 03/08/2008 07:01:12 PM EST

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The general campaign is on, independent voters are up for grabs, and Barack Obama is toning down his populist rhetoric - at least when it comes to free trade.

In an interview with Fortune to be featured in the magazine's upcoming issue, the presumptive Democratic nominee backed off his harshest attacks on the free trade agreement and indicated he didn't want to unilaterally reopen negotiations on NAFTA.

"Sometimes during campaigns the rhetoric gets overheated and amplified," he conceded, after I reminded him that he had called NAFTA "devastating" and "a big mistake," despite nonpartisan studies concluding that the trade zone has had a mild, positive effect on the U.S. economy.

Does that mean his rhetoric was overheated and amplified? "Politicians are always guilty of that, and I don't exempt myself," he answered. [LINK]

It turns out that Austan Goolsbee was telling the truth all along.

by Twba on 06/28/2008 03:16:22 PM EST

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If you think elections don't matter, 2008 will be the year to prove you wrong. President Barak Obama will work with a Democrat controlled Congress to "Change" America in ways you can't imagine.

Fortunately, it will only last two years, until the recoil revolution throws the bums out. I guess we can afford two years of entertainment, ala 1993-1994.

by KenTX on 06/28/2008 03:30:10 PM EST

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I think elections matter but my vote doesn't matter because McCain will win my state easily.

Barack has flip-flopped so many times since he wrapped up the nomination that I think it will be his early supporters who will be surprised by "change" they couldn't imagine.

From the beginning, Barack Obama's special appeal was his vow to remain an idealistic outsider, courageous and optimistic, and never to shift his positions for political expediency, or become captive of the Inside-the-Beltway intelligentsia, or kiss up to special interests and big money donors.

In recent weeks, though, Obama has done all those things.

He abandoned public campaign financing after years of championing it. Backed a compromise on wiretap legislation that gives telecom companies retroactive immunity for helping the government conduct spying without warrants. Dumped his controversial pastor of two decades -- then his church -- after saying he could no more abandon the pastor than abandon his own grandmother.

He said he wouldn't wear the U.S. flag pin because it had become a substitute for true patriotism, then started wearing it. Ramped up his courtship of unions. Shifted from a pledge to protect working-class families from tax increases to a far more expensive promise not to raise taxes on families that earn up to $250,000 a year. Turned to longtime D.C. Democratic wise men to run his vice-presidential search and staff his foreign-policy brain trust. [LINK]

How many American troops will still be in Iraq at the end of Obama's first term -- assuming he wins the election? I put the over/under at 50,000.

by Twba on 06/28/2008 04:14:55 PM EST

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I might place it at 75,000 troops in Iraq in 2012 under Barack Obama. Iraq's enormous oil reserves, coupled with it's position as a three way pivot point between Sunni, Shia, Kurd, make it the most strategic hotspot on the globe. Why have a million troops in Europe and Asia when the main event is in the Middle East? Someday historians will be asking the question, "What was all the debate about".

by KenTX on 06/28/2008 05:05:02 PM EST

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Her plan is simple:

Make Obama lose the nomination if possible, make him lose the general if necessary.

If Mac wins, she will run in 2012 claiming, "I told you Obama couldn't win".

Just look at her latest statements regarding McCain's experience vs Obama's.

By the way, have you noticed that her only foreign policy experience consists of visiting 80 countries and GIVING A SPEECH in Bejing on Woman's rights!

I hope Obama lays into her over the next 6 weeks.

Her experience literally consists of: being married to the president and governor of AR, and 7 years in the senate, where she showed terrible judgment on Iraq and didn't even try to deescalate the war, (Obama sponsored the Iraq War Deescalation Act of 2007 in January of 07 just prior to the surge, which would have had US troops out by march 2008).

Clinton is a fraud and a liar, I hope that Obama points this out, BECAUSE IF CLINTON IS THE NOMINEE McCAIN SURE AS HELL WILL!

by adamg on 03/08/2008 01:05:04 PM EST


Because as you say, he's likely to be a one term president, after which *she* can take over.

Obama on the other hand would likely be a 2 term president, and Hillary doesn't have that kind of patience.

In other words, she's willing to sacrifice the party for her own personal ambitions (even if it means decades of a ultra conservative supreme court). 

Some of you will argue that EVERY politician does that, but #1, that's not true, and #2, even if *most* of them do, we can only point to the ones we know about for sure, and Hillary is BLATANTLY doing it.

by ihavenobias on 03/08/2008 01:15:46 PM EST

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