Best Quote about Hillary's foreign experience

Email Print posted by pdsimdars 03/07/2008 03:03:13 PM EST

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This is a quote that should be shouted from all the hilltops.  There should be Obama campaign commercials made with it as the basis.

From Countdown 3/6/2008

Margaret Carlson of Bloomberg News and Washington editor of "The Week" magazine,

"She's visited over 80 countries.  I was on some of those trips, she really did have tea and cookies in some of those countries."

Writers sure know how to put things into words.  Wow! 

 

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Ahh, but a picture is worth a thousnad words... (none / 0)
I'm not disagreeing with you at all, pdsimdars. I think Hillary's "foreign experience" adds up to about DICK. But with our media (and a moderately stupid electorate) when asking about Obama's foreign experience, all they'll have to show is this...


Barack Somali

And all the "tea and cookies" wont make a damn bit of difference...

I'm sorry for the cliche, but this battle has already been drawn, quartered and run.

I wish Obama would sing your point from the hilltops, but he wont, and the above is why...

Thanks

bobo1 (the idiot according to acroso:)

by bobo1 on 03/07/2008 03:22:21 PM EST

You seem to be forgetting something (none / 0)
Hillary is not an old, white man from the south.  In other words, yes, Obama will face racism and other related challenges, but Hillary will face PLENTY of superficial attacks if she's the nominee.

You think they won't go after her gender in subtle and not so subtle ways?  You think they won't press the idea that an "emotional woman" won't be able to be tough and or handle the pressure without breaking down (especially that time of the month, wink, wink)? 

You think they won't try to dismiss her experience as giving Bill back rubs or whatever other insulting, condescending or sexist ways they can come up with? And look, while some of this stuff mobilizes women, there are also a LOT of women who believe in and or are influenced by gender roles and stereotypes. THEY may well struggle with the idea of a woman president during a time of war (again, stupidly, but hey).

Not to mention the fact that they'll dig up ALL of the old Bill Clinton garbage. Yes, it's mostly garbage (Whitewater, Lewinsky, etc.), but a lot of people respond to garbage. You can say it's not relevant, and I agree, but based on your arguments against Obama, they'll MAKE IT relevant. 

Give me a break already with the Obama bashing (note: real criticism I don't mind. Constant harping on stuff that is more or less irrelevant I DO mind).  Of course they'll rip Clinton.

And look, *if* she really does have more experience, that also means there is more of a paper trail (her voting record, etc.) to dig up AND create dirt.

The bottom line is, you can't have it both ways.  You can't argue that Obama is going to be ripped to shreds in the general by non-substantive (and substantive) attacks while Hillary will coast through somehow.

by ihavenobias on 03/07/2008 04:14:38 PM EST

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Dogs of war (none / 0)
I don't think any one has said that Clinton wouldn't be attacked.

It doesn't matter who our candidate is. They will attack with a vemon unimaginable

Here are the differences
1. Clinton has been vetted everybody knows her and her history. The attacks will be vicious and she can play the victim very easily. Despite impeachemnt Clinton had a 70% approval rating.
2. Clinton can and will fight back (dirty if necessary)


Obama is a blank page nobody knows him and nobody knows what may be in his closet.



by LORD FOUL on 03/07/2008 05:37:38 PM EST

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Eh, I don't think so (none / 0)
1)-Yeah, everybody knows their history, which is partly why her negative rating has always been so damn high compared to the others.  Also, playing the victim can backfire horribly.  Again, the same thing that mobilizes liberal women may well turn off more "traditional"/con servative women who buy into old gender roles and stereotypes.

How easy will it be to smear Clinton as a "weak woman" if she plays the victim when we need a "Strong Tough Man" during a time of war to protect the country? It's BS, but just as some buy into some BS attacks on Obama, they will buy into some BS attacks on Hillary.


2)-Obama's cool, calmness is boon over McCain who has been criticized for his crazy temper. In fact, I just saw a new story today that was pounced on to illustrate McCain's temper.

Obama has mobilized and inspired record turnout partly by *not* going negative.  You understand that, right?  While I think he can push harder in some ways, I don't think him adopting the Clinton Dirty Tricks(TM) would work OR be necessary.

Besides, as you know there are third parties that can do dirty work allowing Obama to retain plausible deniability IF it absolutely had to come down to that.

Finally, there's a counterpoint to your argument that Obama is a blank page.  The press is lazy. They don't like to spend money and avoid real investigation often times if they feel like the story is already written.  It's just easier to follow the established narrative.

Consider how they still call McCain a "maverick" who "talks straight".  This despite his flip-flips on taxes for the rich during a time of war, on religious zealots and more recently, on torture(!).  Talk about the opposite of straight talking.  He's full of shit.  But did the media talk about these things?  Not really, not the MSM, not in any meaningful way.

Because the story was already written, and it's easy to repeat and stick with it.  Obama is relatively new, but the storyline of the young, fresh guy inspiring "hope and change" is his storyline, and they LOVE it.  It's a nice contrast against Old Maverick McCain. 

by ihavenobias on 03/07/2008 06:56:02 PM EST

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fatal flaw (none / 0)
You are making one BIG mistake

The media is not our friend and will not be kind to Obama

What makes you think they will be any different to him than they were to Kerry, Gore, Clinton or Dukakis.

The other thing that drives me crazy is this. Of the last 4 Presidential Candidates only 1 beat the odds and won, Clinton. Why? because he fought back.

by LORD FOUL on 03/08/2008 08:36:07 AM EST

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The media is only a friend in the sense that (none / 0)
They seem to dislike Hillary for whatever reason, overall. Cenk (you know, the guy who can't stand her and shills for Obama according to you and Bobo) has talked about this quite a bit.

People seem to lump "the Clintons" together too much when making arguments like yours.  Bill is NOT running. When I say that, I'm pointing out that Bill is FAR more charming and charismatic than Hillary is, and things bounce off of him better.


He always had high positives, but now with Hillary we're talking about high negatives.  Sorry, but it's not the same thing.


Finally, I really want you think about what you wrote here: What makes you think they will be any different to him than they were to Kerry, Gore...or Dukakis.

Seriously, are you asking me this question? I left out Clinton because I've explained why it didn't matter one way or another what they did to him.  As for the others, ask yourself WHY they did what they did and also why it worked. Especially focus on the two recent guys, Gore and Kerry.

I know most of us really like Gore now and in hindsight, but if you recall he was considered to be an arrogant, boring candidate, and very uninspiring.  Kerry?  I don't think I even need to describe him, other than to say most people I know that voted for him were simply voting *against Bush* rather than *for* Kerry.

Obama so CLEARLY does not fit in with these previous candidates. Again, he's far more charming and charismatic, and he generates record amounts of enthusiasm and turnout (which reminds me, how the hell do you guys overlook the insane turnout and enthusiasm this guy generates)?

by ihavenobias on 03/08/2008 11:44:56 AM EST

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I have no illusions of this that you say... (none / 1)
Please do not mistake my criticism of the Obama candidcy as some sort of free pass for the Clintons. I think she is equally tainted and cruel, and she has plenty of dirt to be dug onto...

The main difference between the 2 is that we already know (more importantly she already knows) how to counter 80% of what they will throw at her...if there ever was someone who was a "teflon president", it was Bill Clinton and Hillary - THE MAN WAS IMPEACHED FOR CHRIST SAKE, AND HE STILL HAD A 70% APPROVAL!!!

I agree with my compatriot LORD FOUL that the Obama supporters on this site are still not seeing the bigger picture...but I regress to rehash old arguments, so to that effect I will just say "We'll See..."


As for the Obama picture posted above, you, bias, seem to think that we will be dealing with an intelligent and informed electorate in November. I have no doubt that you and the Obama supporters on this site and others are very thoughtful and intelligent people... People like you and me are IN THE MINORITY IN THIS CASE...

Most people are rather dull and too into themselves to actually think issues through and make a valid and bright decision. When they see pictures like this on TV and for those who venture onto the internet, they will assume a mental postiton that will become difficult to sway or change... they will assume the worst, vote on impulse and this is how we get Republican ppresidents...just look at the last 40 years of our history!!!

One more thing, bias, you obviously not thinking medically, but Hillary Clinton would be way past child bearing age, and if she hasnt gone through the change, then we might have to worry about that time...

But it is that sort of reference that pigeonholes you Obama Kool Aid drinkers as the little immature young'uns that most of you are...the voting majority that does pay attention and have been around for a while are getting a real negative image of Obama followers. Many of you on this post act and write like little PISS-ANTS who cant take criticism for themselves or their candidate... if you want to play with the big boys, you gotta learn to get tough...Just watch the news this weekend, thats all they are talking about...


Thanks again for your contributions...

by bobo1 on 03/07/2008 09:34:22 PM EST

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Hey bobo the clown (none / 1)
Stop getting all your information from Free Republic


All Conservatives Are Liars- Mike Malloy

by Chinese Democracy on 03/07/2008 04:58:38 PM EST

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