Tibet - A Reflection in the Walls of our Glass House?

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The Olympic torch has to be guarded by a special Chinese torch force, against the masses of western protestors.  From London to San Fran, the torch has been seen as a symbol of human rights abuse by the Chinese, especially in light of their recent crackdown in Tibet.  Many Americans, especially leeeborals, are expressing outrage, and calling for a boycott of the Olympics in Beijing.  

Never mind the absurdity of Americans, who elected Bush and Cheney TWICE, having the gall to protest human rights abuses by any government but their own.  Never mind our shared responsibility for renditions, torture, and war on a country for its oil.  We also pay no attention to history, neither Chinese nor our own, when we express outrage over the Chinese in Tibet – a history much longer, and arguably less bloody and heinous than our own.

Tibet has been, to various degrees, under Chinese rule since about 1200 CE.  This is almost 300 years longer than the beginning of the conquest of the Americas by Europeans, and 400 years longer than the planting of the English colonies that became the United States.  Have we ever paid attention to any protests about the rights of indigenous people in this country?   Some historians consider what happened to Native Americans at the hands of Europeans to be genocide.  Even after the establishment of democracy under our constitution, the majority of federal money was spent fighting and killing Indians during the Washington Administration.

And as for our European colonized neighbors, we have been at least as Chinese as the Chinese have been to Tibet.  We went to war with Britain in 1812 in large part to snatch big chunks of Canada.  And it has only been about 150 years since we took the entire Southwest from Mexico, by means of an unjust war of conquest that we started.  What if the world demanded that we give back California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Utah and Nevada?  Would we agree, or send our own special torch force when we next get an Olympics?  I think we know the answer.

The Dalai Lama is getting a hero’s welcome in Seattle this week.  The papers are calling him “his Holiness.”  (Is the pope pissed, I wonder?)  He is the spiritual leader of the Tibetan people.  But again the historical context is missing.  The Dalai Lama is fundamentally a Chinese spiritual leader – or at least a Mongol spiritual leader.  

The first Dalai Lamas were installed and supported by the Mongolian rulers of China.  In and around the year 1400, the preferred Chinese version of Buddhism was installed in Tibet to push out the Indian version (and India’s political and economic influence) that had been there for hundreds of years, and to continue to suppress the original Bon religion.  China and Tibet have a shared religious history in the Dalai Lama that goes back for 600 years.  In short, the Dalai Lama is a Chinese invention!  This context is missing in all the news coverage.

We European-descended Americans have all but wiped out native religion and culture on this continent.  There were various treaties and deals, but most were broken.  Likewise, there have been various treaties and deals between China and Tibet.  Today in our country, the native people experience the deepest poverty, and the shortest life expectancy of any in this richest of nations.  And, we still honor the man who doomed the Cherokee to the Trail of Tears on our twenty-dollar bill.

Was this treatment of Native Americans, and Mexico, horrible, ruthless, and even genocidal?  Maybe.  And have I, as a white, euro-descended dude benefited from the removal of native people?  Fuck yes!  Realizing this, am a going to give my house back to the descendants of the people the land was taken from?

Fuck no!

And the Chinese aren’t either.  And they wonder what the hell our problem is.  To them, Tibet is an upstart province that has been part of China for close to a thousand years.  Up until the Cultural Revolution, the Chinese had given the Tibetan people much more cultural and religious autonomy than we ever gave the indigenous people of America.  The Chinese see us as hypocrites, and they are right.

It is okay to criticize in America.  We can criticize the Chinese, who have acted badly in Tibet recently, and at times throughout history – a longer history than we have had in America.  But with our recent history, we are really throwing stones in a glass house.  NO AMERICAN should utter the phrase “human rights” without the words “we have violated” in front of them.  And none of our leaders should say anything about it unless they are on the record as fighting the Bush Administration to preserve human rights here first.

Unlike the Chinese people, we HAVE a democracy, and have had for over 200 years.  While freely electing our leaders, we have said okay to native genocide, slavery, segregation, wars of conquest, and now torture.  We let, and have let, our leaders do this because we keep electing and REELECTING leaders who do this.  We as a people bear a great deal of the responsibility for America’s misdeeds, and generally don’t do shit about it.  So maybe we should shut the fuck up about China until we: A. understand the whole story, and B. clean up our own “glass” house.  

Then maybe our protest will be taken seriously.  Then maybe we will have the moral foundation to stand on as we try to extinguish the Olympic torches.

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Great post, gdoud.  I understand exactly where you're coming from, but the obvious counterpoint to be made here is:  Americans DIDN'T elect Bush and Cheney.  If American policy were truly the direct product of the American public, we would have a glass house situation...but the American "democracy" you refer to is illusionary (espcially these days).

(If Bobo would like to chime in here about how Americans ARE responsible because they haven't stood up and revolted yet, I would not object.) 

I am a human before I'm an American, and I'll be damned before I allow my inconvenient -- and arbitrary -- nationalty stand in the way of my right to stick up for other humans. 

Of course, most of the Americans who are protesting China now are guilty of donning the sheep's clothing lent to them by their wolf government.  I'd love to get in a crowd of American protesters of the Peking Olympics with a video camera and ask them exactly why they were protesting.  The results might be hilariously uncomfortable.  But if a spotlight on Tibet is what it takes to get people to start feeling angry about their own leaderships tresspasses, so be it.

by OneHitKill on 04/14/2008 05:25:30 AM EST


I agree whole-heartidly with you guys on this... We need to tend to our own misgivings and our own situations before we go telling other nations what to do with themselves... When we stop raping, torturing and ripping the world off with our brand of free market capitalism, then maybe we can chime in on what China or Russia is doing to their own...

It pisses me off to no end when we go and tell places like Iran or N Korea that they cant have Nuclear ambitions - who the Hell are we to tell anybody what they can explore scientifically - Im sure the Russians and the Germans didnt want us to have the A bomb back in the 40s, but they certainly didnt have the balls to tell us to our face? Its none of our business if they have nukes - and dont give me the "terrorist/security&qu ot; debate - if the fucking towlies want the nukes, there are plenty of places now to get them (Pakistan, India to name just a few...)

As for the Revolution OneHitKill, you are absolutley right - it is our own damned fault that we have allowed things to get like this - it is going to take a movement or a few very influential or fucking crazy people doing some crazy things to get us on the path toward redemption... and revolution... It might not happen in our short lifetimes, but the seeds of discontent were planted long ago, and they will have to come to fruition sooner rather than later I suspect...

Thanks for your posting...

:)

by bobo1 on 04/14/2008 01:21:38 PM EST

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Great post gdoud – you bring up a very interesting question that I’ve been debating with myself for awhile now.  Like with many others, I have big time problems with what’s been going on in Tibet for the last half-century as well as the Chinese-Darfur connection, however, like you mention in your post I find myself in the quandary as an American coming off as a complete hypocrite when I speak out against international human rights.  Although I feel most Americans aren’t necessarily responsible for the international crimes our country has committed, I do feel complacency goes a long way.  I’m not saying Americans shouldn’t be fighting for human rights issues across the world, though some level of self-reflexivity should be mandatory in the process of doing so. 

Lately, I’ve also been quite disturbed by the level of anti-Chinese rhetoric run amuck.  Yes China isn’t an angel, but I’m starting to get very uneasy when I hear close friends calling Chinese Americans who still have connections with their homeland “Red Chinese.”  I know people can get very passionate about their causes (which I see to be a great thing), but like us Americans, the Chinese people shouldn’t be blamed for all the wrongs committed by their government. 

by rev24 on 04/14/2008 01:44:58 PM EST


I forwarded your blog to a friend that I've recently been chatting it up with about China and the Olympics and thought I'd post his reply:

The article was most interesting and provided data, if accurate, that I previously did not know. I have argued that the “U.S. leadership” is hard put to speak of human rights violations in view of our obvious hypocrisy. As to the comment "...So maybe we should shut the fuck up about China until we: A. understand the whole story, and B. clean up our own “glass” house.” Well I AM NOT GOING TO SHUT THE FUCK UP about the atrocities of China throughout the world and including their own people. As the article states, those who have supported the Bush Administration are hypocrites in no position to throw stones.

But query, how many Bush supporters are advocating a boycott of the Olympics? Bush is going and going with glee. If the Olympics were held in the U.S. today, I would boycott them as well in view of our recent war and war crimes and atrocities. I am humiliated with America and how we are rightfully viewed world-wide. By neither you or I are responsible for this sad reality, nor should it estopp us from actively denouncing the crimes of China. We can do both and not be hypocrites – Bush, Cheney, et al have no moral standing – it is that simple, in my view.

Though very interesting and thought-provoking, I do necessarily believe that anything written is necessarily historically correct. Still it is very though-provoking and I will be researching it more because of this article – thank you.

by rev24 on 04/14/2008 02:12:09 PM EST

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you conversation with your self  :-)

I don't know a lot about the China stuff but I have to say "we" are not responsible for what our government does if "we" have been decrying it, attacking it, voting against it and screaming from the rooftops it is wrong. 

I also can't be held culpable for the massacre of the Native Americans, enslavement of Africans, internment of the Chinese, persecution and murder of organized labor, the Zoot Suit riots, lynchings in the South, the KKK or anything Bush has done.

I am an American, I am not America. 

Ok, my grandfather was in the Zoot Suit riots.  But thats not me.

by ProfRich on 04/14/2008 03:58:44 PM EST

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than my response below! 

I ended up just rambling, and reaching no conclusion.

I am officially changing my response to 'ditto'.  Minus the grandfather detail. ;)

by Duncansmom14 on 04/14/2008 04:07:32 PM EST

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I agree, posting replies to your own comments looks a little crazy but was meant to be a follow up.  BTW - I can't help put to wonder if your grandfather was a zoot suiter, other participant, or copper...

by rev24 on 04/14/2008 05:27:38 PM EST

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I know your reply was someone else's words and that is totally legitimate. 

My grandfather is a great man but he was Marine and he beat the shit out of some  Zoot Suiters.  Whatever they did in California, he is still pissed about it.

When my dad and his three brothers were kids and he would get real mad at them he would scream shit like, "y'all are worse than a bunch of goddamn zoot suiters." 

Awesome.

by ProfRich on 04/14/2008 06:08:08 PM EST

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Is the US a hypocrite? I think we become hypocritical when you see the some of the passionate demonstrations against the Chinese at the Passing of the Olympic Torch relays, while we aren't seeing that level of passion against our own government. Though part of the appearance of hypocrisy is related to the Media's lack of detailed reporting on anti-war & anti-Bush demonstrations. And some of the most passionate protests were in Europe. So ultimately, I'm not even sure where we fall on the hypocrisy meter.

I have been disturbed by the actions of the protesters.  I'll admit I haven't been reading detailed accounts, so I only know the details that have been reported on the radio and a few of the published pictures. But the pushing down of the relay participants while protesting human rights abuses is just wrong. And makes the protesters seem rather insincere, IMO. Either you value the ethical treatment of other people or you don't, but 2 wrongs don't make a right.

I have no problem with peaceful protest, and feel that it is a wonderful way to bring attention to the issue. I am not going to pass moral judgment on people who chose to attend the Olympics though. There is no perfect answer. The athletes involved have trained their whole lives for this opportunity to represent their countries in an event that is supposed to bring the world together. And for many of them this will be their only chance. If we are going to boycott the Olympics because it's being held in China, then shouldn't we always boycott them? Because as your detailed history shows, many of the countries that participate, including ourselves, are or have been on the wrong side of any given debate.

As far as us not knowing the complete history of Tibet, in particular that the Dalai Lama is a Chinese invention from the 1400's, I don't think we need that detailed of a history lesson. Interestingly enough I heard an interview with the Dalai Lama just this AM. From what I understood him to say, they don't want to break away from China, they understand that they are part of China. They want to not have their culture taken away and they want the Chinese to honor either a treaty or a part of their constitution that gives them freedom to be somewhat separate. He also asked that the Olympics not be boycotted, and that all protests be peaceful. What is relevant today is that the people of Tibet, as I understand it, believe that the Dalai Lama speaks for them.



I know it’s corny, but I love the Olympics. I love watching them, I love seeing the medal counts. One of my dreams is to be able to attend them someday. I’m sure that may color my opinion.  The truth is, I am more concerned about China and it's environmental policies because they affect the whole world.

by Duncansmom14 on 04/14/2008 03:53:51 PM EST


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