The Stephanopoulos Report: The Straw That Might Break the Camels Back

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OK People - I have a concession to make!!!! Hillary will not be the Nominee for the Democrats!!!

Surprise Surprise I know, but this report by ABC's George Stephanopoulos may or may not be the actual death for the Clinton campaign, but its gonna be interesting to see the fallout from this report... The accusations of racism will fly I'm sure!!!

The Link is Below...

http://blogs.abcnews.com/po liticalradar/2008/04/candid ate-clint.html

There is a video that accompanies it on the site as well...

I know that I am preaching to the choir when dealing with the Obama Supporters here, but this raises the most serious question about Obamas candidacy in the general election...

Can He Win?

You guys know my feelings about Obama and the minions, so I wont bore you with the details, but I want to throw 2 questions out to you and let you chew on them for a bit...


Q: When its all said and done and Obama has the Democratic nomination wrapped up, who is really behind him in terms of support and numbers?

A: The same 40% of people that are behind every Democrat who runs every election - The Liberals, the DLC types and most of the minority voters. Can 40% win a general election in this country (without a 3rd party ala Perot running)? No...

Q: Are Americans in the Middle or the Center Right Going to Vote for Obama just as a vote against McCain/Bush and their perceived togetherness? Can Obama really sway the Hillary Supporters and the more Liberal Republicans to take a chance on him?

A: I Dont Know, but do you guys really think that this giant tsunami of support and youth/minority voters and anti Bushies are gonna make that much difference in the Electoral College? Remember, Bush is not on the ballot, the honorable McCain is (as per Cenks discussion today). 

What do you think? - Was Hillary wrong in saying that Obama was unelectable in the general election?

Let me know your thoughts, and thank you for your time!!!


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The Stephanopoulos Report: The Straw That Might Break the Camels Back | 51 comments (51 topical, 0 hidden)
The poll numbers (none / 0)
don't support Hillary's ridiculous assertion.

by jarett on 04/03/2008 04:10:23 AM EST

I dont know about polls... (none / 0)
I tend to ignore polls, jarett, but  think there might be some kernel of truth in just knowing that Obama is having trouble with the white vote among democrats in the contests that have already happened... Obama cannot win without white centrist voters, Deomocrats or otherwise...

I agree with LORD FOUL in another posting when he says that this is going to come down to the swing states of OH, FL, TN, IN, CO and NM etc... All of the mainstay states are probably gonna stay the same either way...

Thanks for your input, Jarett...

by bobo1 on 04/03/2008 09:41:08 AM EST

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funny (none / 0)
When I posted the swing state arguement and showed numbers backing up that Obama is ahead in swing states, it didn't seem to convince you.  When LF posts that swing states are going to decide and turns it into an argument for Hillary, without facts to back it up, you agree.

hmmm.

Palin in 2012? Bitch, please! No, really, please run in 2012, bitch. ;)

by richardshort2001 on 04/03/2008 10:10:40 AM EST

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Make sure you finish the statement (none / 0)
when Hillary says "He can't win", she really means "He can't win, because he's black". That is what she is really saying and is totally a desparation move. She still can't believe that Obama is kicking her ass and taking "her nomination" away. She needs to take a look in the mirror. The reason she is losing is that she ran a 20th century campaign against a guy who is running a 21st century campaign. She has been totally out campaigned by Obama and has underestimated him time and time again.

Mark my words, Obama will win the nomination and the presidency. He will do it because he doing things with his campaign that have never been done before and it is mainifesting itself in the numbers. This will change the 40% conventional wisdom mentioned above and will hand the democrats some red states that Hillary would never get. Obama's coattails will bring a tidal wave of Democrats into congress, perhaps even a 60 seat Senate. It will happen. Watch.

by mijoh on 04/03/2008 10:22:53 AM EST

I agree in part... (none / 0)
I totally agree with your first comment - you have hit it right on the mark...

This is a racial thing. Theres no getting around that. She cannot believe she lost to a Black Guy...

Hillary is fighting a losing battle... She knows its over, but as a Clinton, she will never accept defeat - NEVER...

But the second half of your argument is where I break with you... Not so much in the whole Obama winning thing - if he wins, then so be it - but this whole euphoria about change and hope just doesnt sit well with me...


I just hope he isnt the big dissapointment I think he will be... Thats would just kill the American spirit and send us deeper into our problems that we face...


Thanks for your comments...


:)

by bobo1 on 04/03/2008 12:53:56 PM EST

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Change and hope (none / 0)
Or  4 more years of  bush policies.

duh

by Chinese Democracy on 04/03/2008 07:45:53 PM EST

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Clinton (none / 0)

I wonder if Obama can even win the primary let alone the general election. If Hillary wins by 10 percent or more in Pennsylvania....you draw the map out and it looks like she will win the popular vote.

 ...that's assuming Obama doesn't close or pick up momentum.

by acroso on 04/03/2008 11:10:34 AM EST

doubtful (none / 0)
The major poll most favorable to Clinton has her up by 9 points and Obama closing.  BTW this is the poll most MSM is reporting, so much for that Obama bias.

Obama usually outperforms the polls.

Even if a 10 percent win gets her the app. 700,000 votes she needs to take the popular vote lead (and she achieves, she still has 9 contest after that.  Most of those Obama is favored to win.

Which is why even the Clinton campiagn doesn't think they are likely to win the popular vote and are stooping to pulling the Rev. White card to convince superdelegates.

Palin in 2012? Bitch, please! No, really, please run in 2012, bitch. ;)

by richardshort2001 on 04/03/2008 11:17:13 AM EST

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oh (none / 0)
Oh no, a 10% win won't get her anywhere near 700,000 votes...but a 10% win is what she needs to stay on a projectory for an endgame to get those 700,000 votes eventually. North Carolina is the only state with a substantial black population left so she'll take a hit there, but there are enough states left with substantial white and or Hispanic populations to make up for it.

by acroso on 04/03/2008 11:35:13 AM EST

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N.C. (none / 0)

I'm hoping operation Chaos can make a difference in N.C.

 

Over 40% of Republicans have re-registered as Democrats there. Now some are just leaving the party for their own reasons but some are part of operation Chaos to help create chaos. 

by acroso on 04/03/2008 01:41:14 PM EST

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How do you know acroso is lying? (none / 0)

When he posts.

Over 40% of Republicans have re-registered as Democrats there. Now some are just leaving the party for their own reasons but some are part of operation Chaos to help create chaos.

 

A boldfaced lie. 40% of the Republicans haven't changed there registration to Democrat no matter what that fat asshole anti-American shithead Limbaugh says:

  Between January and March of this year, more than 30,000 currently registered voters changed their party identification. Over 12,000 of those, about 40%, are previously Republican voters who have moved OUT of the party to register either as Democrats or as unaffiliated voters able to participate in either primary on May 6th. Subtract from that the number of Dems and unaffiliated voters who moved into the GOP, and there’s still a net LOSS of about 6,700 Republican voters in three months.

Big difference between 40% of the Republicans and 40% of the 12000 voters who have changed parties ...6,700 voters is not going to do much...shows you how Limpballs influences people.

By contrast, the Democratic Party nabbed a net of about 4,000 voters -- previously Republican or unaffiliated -– who moved into the Dem column.  And the unaffiliated group, which gained almost 50,000 new voters in the last three months, added an additional 2,700 net from the shuffle.(1)

 But wait there's more!

New numbers from the North Carolina Board of Elections show that, since the first of the year, more than 165,000 new voters have registered to participate in advance of the state's May 6 primary.

That puts the total of new registered voters in the state since January 2007 at almost 522,000. For comparison's sake, that's more than TWICE the amount of new voters registered during the same time period before the 2004 election.

Forty-five percent of the new voters since January are registered as Democrats, with about 30% unaffiliated and 25% Republican. About a third are under 24 years old.(2)


by MRFred on 04/03/2008 02:32:14 PM EST

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Wow (none / 0)

That is a good-old fashioned troll ass-kicking.

Nice. 

by ProfRich on 04/03/2008 03:41:02 PM EST

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If Hillary is right, McCain can't win (none / 0)

Because the GOP has to have the South to win.

Huckabee kicked McCain's ass up and down the confederacy (except Florida and a narrow win in SC). 

Obama dominated the South (except the bullshit Florida primary).

Therefore Obama will dominate the South in the general and McCain is completely unelectable.

Now anyone with a lick of sense knows this is total bullshit but this is essentially the same argument Hillary is making. 

Hillary and her supporters will fall in line just like the Giuliani, Romney, Huckabee and Edwards supporters have.  Enjoy these encouraging polls while you can, Repubs.  When the race ends the table will be reset and then, and only then, will we be able to talk intelligently about the general election.  A wise GOPer should be terrified that two split democratic party candidates are running even with their unified candidate. 

by ProfRich on 04/03/2008 11:33:50 AM EST

Let me get this straight... (none / 0)

You think the DLC supports Obama? I re-read that sentence a couple times to see if I misinterpreted maybe(?).

Most people who support Obama support him because he is the anti-DLC candidate. They will lose power when he wins. CHANGE is code for "get rid of the DLC". That's why Hillary diverts people by calling it "flowery speech", a message you seem to have swallowed (your reference to Obama's "minions"), hook, line, sinker.

Several of my other Hillary supporting friends follow this line that Obama is unelectable because he's black or because his supporters are all extreme liberals. To be fair, many Obama supporters make the same ridiculous argument about hillary. Shes too divisive, or partisan. In Obama or Hillary's case there is a grain of truth in these arguments, but I think they're both potentially electable if they run smart campaigns.

So now you just have to decide who's going to run the smartest campaign. If you think that's a difficult decision, I've got some land in Tallahasee for sale. 

by hazmat on 04/03/2008 02:53:40 PM EST

Not initially, but (none / 0)
when all is said and done, the DLC types will probably vote Obama rather than for McCain. Of course the DLCers now are for Hillary. I put them in the 40% number simply because most of them will still vote for the Democratic nominee even if its Obama... the DLC plus the Leebrals are still only about 40% of the decided electorate.

thanks...

:)

by bobo1 on 04/03/2008 03:14:01 PM EST

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Ok and... (none / 0)

What do you think the number or Repubs is?  They run polls on this stuff all the time.
Right now Gallup has this split at 51-43 in the favor of the dems.

I don't think this is the end all be all or I would have posted about it a lot more but since you are throwing out these ridiculous everyone is conservative despite the fact that there is no proof of this crap thought I would chime in.

By comparison at a similar point in 2004 the repubs were up 46-45.  Now it seems to me this suggests you are completely full of shit or totally out of touch with reality but I could be wrong.

I just find it hard to believe a 9% point shift in the party affiliation should turn a thin victory into a substantial loss.

Don't get me wrong, there is a longtime to the election.  Things can change.  But your analysis seems decidedly divorced from reality. 

Oh, and it was 46-36 Dems at this time before the 2006 Waterloo.  I know Repubs are very confident in the power of racism and slime campaigning but the GOP scumbags have a dramatically steeper hill to climb this time around.

by ProfRich on 04/03/2008 03:40:25 PM EST

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Mr. Professor... (none / 0)
I do not live by polls - people who do have way too much faith in the system and too much trust in the media that reports them...

I am just going by estimate, and I will say it again - Liberals do not hold a majority of the population... Overall the Democratic party over the last few Presidential elections can count on about 40% in their corner despite who is running for them...

If Obama wins - so be it - I certainly do not want to see a McCain Presidency - that would be the worst possible outcome...

What I am suggesting is that after all of this hype and Euphoria that the ObamaBots have generated and shown - and even after all of these primaries where participation has grown a lot - It still only gonna leave the Democrats with a solid 40% of the electorate in their pockets.
 
I would continue the discussion by saying that the Republicans also have about 35-40% solid support - despite the last 7 years - because there are a certain amount of people who will never vote Democratic, and they sure as hell wont vote for a Liberal Black Man. Let us be real about this now...

So where does that leave the other 20 -25% (of which I consider myself a part of)? It leaves me waiting for either McCain or Obama top come pandering to me, to say what I want to hear... And it hasnt happened from either side yet... I personally wont vote for McCain, but Im not talking about me - There are a lot of other dupes in this country who will vote for McCain simply because he appears better at understanding the Joe Sixpack voter and their needs...

Its my true feeling, though, that this election isnt going to be decided by number analysis... This election is going to question both our moral fiber in this country and its general direction. I just dont think Americans are ready for a Messiah yet... thats all Im saying...

Thanks
:)

by bobo1 on 04/03/2008 04:12:30 PM EST

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What am I supposed to do with this? (none / 0)

So Bobo is saying that we can't believe in polls because they might not be right.

Therefore, we should just take his completely unfounded opinion (he calls it his estimate).

Well, thanks for your completely made up opinion, Bobo.  I will file it away with all the other entirely baseless theories on the election and treat it accordingly. 

by ProfRich on 04/03/2008 04:26:30 PM EST

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Are you always this snotty? (none / 0)
This is an Opinion Blog. I was giving my opinion. You can take it and shove it where you will...

If you are looking for academic discussion and theoretical discourse, I suggest you get off the internet as soon as possible...

I will continue to make estimates and give opinions until communist Liberals like you finally succeed in squelching free speech and common opinion.

You are being an elitist snob... I dont debase your opinion simply because you make it - I will never do so... I believe in free speech and the sharing of thoughts, regardless of if I agree with them or not....

Thanks... 

by bobo1 on 04/03/2008 04:40:12 PM EST

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Actually (none / 0)

First, you did debase my opinion.  That is what I was reacting to.  I said here is what I think and here is why I think it and you dismissed it seemingly because it was based on something.  You just decided I was wrong and asserted your baseless claims were better.

Second, I never even remotely suggested that you had no right to give an opinion or that I was attempting to squelch it.  I thanked you for your opinion, I just pointed out it was baseless.  You, on the other hand suggested I go away and stop posting.

Third, smug is telling people they are wrong and dismissing their argument they are making because you simply believe you have an inborn and infallible ability to mystically know the truth.

If researching and presented arguments based on data makes me an "elitist snob" then I guess I am guilty but I am fine with that. 

by ProfRich on 04/03/2008 05:06:56 PM EST

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Bobo's World. Coming this fall to CBS. (none / 0)
Bobo never has to prove stuff.  Anything you say to dispute him is rebutted with "it's an opinion blog blah blah etc."  Polls are only valid when bobo cites one.  If you disagree, you're trying to stop free speech and are being a "snob". &nbs p;America thinks like bobo does because bobo "estimates" it to be so, and all elected officials need to bend to the whim of bobo's racist and dumb friends.  It's funny, because the majority of people I know seem to think like I do as well, and science tells me that all Americans follow suit.  But those "polls" (based on a bunch of people who I don't know) are a bunch of shit made up by the liberal left wing Jew run media extremists to push their gay agenda.
One thing is for sure though, bobo can never be wrong (because it's just an opinion after all).
And the circle continues.

by Spencer on 04/03/2008 06:02:19 PM EST

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Thanks (none / 0)

This is my first run in with bobos logic circle so its nice to see its not just me.  I had noticed that anyone who tried to use logic or proof against him was a "snob."

(except Ken who is far and away the snobbiest most arrogant poster on the board and I say that knowing I would get a few votes myself)

I assume it has been widely posted that bobo is clearly a conservative republican pretending he's a dem to make his post seem all the more damaging.  Like this, "I'm a died in the wool Democrat and me and all the other Democrats in the world hate black people so clearly Obama will lose blah, blah, blah."

Have we discussed the theory that bobo is Ken's sock puppet? 

Sadly, this is the last time we will talk so politely Spencer.  Bobo told me you were a troll. 

by ProfRich on 04/03/2008 06:58:20 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Did he really say I'm a troll? (none / 0)
Cause I thought me and bobo had an understanding.  I must have read the signals all wrong.  Oh well, cancel the wedding.
But yes Prof, all of those issues have been discussed many times before (the Ken connection, the fake Dem/moderate stance, etc.).  Also be wary of another user named "keith" (who for sure isn't ::WINK:: an alias of bobo).  I'm sure he'll respond soon calling us all douchebags, as he likes to do.
I'll head back over to my troll corner now.  Fairwell...

by Spencer on 04/03/2008 07:17:57 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Its "Farewell", Douchebag... :) (none / 0)
Who taught you how to spell, Spence? China Guy?

Grammar policing aside, I certainly didn't call you a troll, as I know you are just a kid who hasnt had a chance to live and breath in the real world yet...

And I never quote polls in my articles, because you know I dont believe in them. If you live by the polls then you die by them, and I choose a better fate for myself...

This is an opinion site, and I simply come here for the conversation...

I am not a Bushie by any means, but I am more conservative than most of the other posters here. I like you guys a lot, but your eyes just dont seem to open to the reality around you...The more you believe that we live in a "butterflies and unicorns" existence, the more Im gonna try to convince you otherwise...

I am not the only one who feels this way... there are several of us here who have lived on the other side and tasted the evil juice of Conservatism - You Liberals seem to live in some sort of reality vacuum - some of you are very self centered about this... I have hope that you will someday realize your errors and come back into the reality fold...

As for the current election, I suppose only time will tell. I hope things turn out for the better in our country, but I wont wait around for it to come true. As the Buddha said upon his death - "Seek out your own salvation"...

thanks...

:)

by bobo1 on 04/03/2008 11:38:17 PM EST

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Interesting Bobo (none / 0)

So what is it exactly that is pushing you away from the "great conservative movement" anyway? Yes, there are a lot of ex Republican voters here.

You may have given an explanation in the past but I missed it. 

by z1p101 on 04/04/2008 12:16:31 AM EST

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Well... (none / 0)
Its been a combination of a lot of things, Zippy...

1. The Republican party only stands for the super wealthy now - And as a school teacher, I am not super wealthy by any means...

2. GW Bush who embodies just about everything evil about the neo-con agenda has hijacked the platform and body of what old style conservatism meant back in a time when it meant something decent and good. Bush has forever cured me of voting for anybody who calls themselves a Republican...

3. Christianity - I have a hard time reconciling a faith that makes absolutely no sense on its face, and I certainly cannot be a party to any organized group that espouses its dominion over peoples lives - Therefore, i can never be a true believing Republican...

I really see myself and many others like me as a person without a representative group politically - and as I have said before, there are a lot of us in this country who dont fall into the 2 cookie cutter definitions of political life. I enjoy listening to shows like TYT and Schulze. But I also agree with some of the more philisophical points that Limbaugh has made in the past... Although I cannot bear to listen for more than a few minutes...

I think there are a lot of us who are looking to the Progressive movement for some spark of interest, but alas I believe that the hardliners on the left and their rabid support for Liberal causes tend to scare away more rational thinking people...
 
I try to believe, I try to imagine a world that is better, but my logical side tells me that it cannot exist without the vacuum that most liberals create in their minds and what they project to the world - I cannot possibly allow myself to be that short sighted and naive...

Thanks for your interest Zippy. I appreciate the conversation...

:)

by bobo1 on 04/04/2008 12:41:24 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Right leaning liberal (none / 0)
Well, I was not going to jump into this, but figured one more opinion wold not hurt. As a registered democrat from the time I was able to vote, I can say in all honesty that I find myself on the conservative side of some issues. I will not go into them now for that is not the topic.

I also would like to say up front that I was a supporter of John Edwards. I will vote for whoever the Democratic nomination goes too because McCain scares the shit out of me. Now that I have said all that, I agree that some of the people who support Sen. Obama are wearing rose colored glasses. My brother is one of them. No matter what you say or what fact you show them, their guy "can do no wrong" and it must be a lie. One quick example is the stand on the war in Iraq. Obama said he was against it from the start and has always been against it. yet he voted yes on all the major war funding bills. Cucinich (not sure if I spelled his name right.) is one who was anti Iraq war and voted NO on all major war funding bills. But he just shrugs it off and says but he gave a speech before ther original vote and said it was a mistake and he was right. Oblivious to the facts in front of him.

Yes, Clinton has many bad issues to deal with and I am sure there will be someone here to point them out. The question comes down to who has the best shot at getting the most votes in the EC? I have no answer to that. All I can do is hope there is a (D) next to the name of our next president. But it is by far a slam dunk for Obama which is what most of his supporters are thinking and saying right now. I think Bobo is just pointing that out. Wake up, the big fight is still to come. This dancing with Hillary is child's play compared to the RNC noise machine. Are you ready for it?

by Mystic24 on 04/04/2008 04:56:36 AM EST

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snob versus arrogant (none / 0)
"(except Ken who is far and away the snobbiest most arrogant poster on the board and I say that knowing I would get a few votes myself)"

George Bush is the most arrogant President we've had in many years.

Had he been elected, John Kerry would have been the most elitist snob president we've had in many years.

The two words are different. I will arrogantly and proudly accept the descriptive term "arrogant". But I am anything but a snob, because I am proud to be a redneck.

by KenTX on 04/04/2008 01:39:14 AM EST

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Have you noticed the thread poll? (none / 0)
Evidently, even in a liberal forum, there are a lot of people who think that Obama can't win in the general election.  

by KenTX on 04/04/2008 01:43:58 AM EST

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Or... (none / 0)
Maybe you've used your thousand stolen screen names to vote.  Is it possible?  I'm not saying anything...  Except that I am.

by Spencer on 04/04/2008 02:42:52 AM EST

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Since when is arrogance a positive thing? (none / 0)
Really?

by jarett on 04/04/2008 03:08:37 AM EST

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I didn't say arrogance was positive. (none / 0)
But I am honest about myself. It's a Texas thing. We can't help it.

Actually, if you met me in person, you would find me to be much less arrogant and much more humble and polite than the forum character named "KenTX". This is kind of an act, if you know what I mean. Maybe KenTX is the person I wish I could be in real life? Hmmm. Interesting.

Anyway, I prefer arrogance to the haughty, snobby, elitist John Kerry. I really hate that kind of person.

by KenTX on 04/04/2008 03:19:10 AM EST

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Three things (none / 0)

1) Don't blame Texas for the way you act.  You think you are "honest about your self" yet have never admitted to being wrong about anything as far as I can tell.  So I guess you just honestly think you are always right.  Don't blame my state because you're a prick.

2) I shudder to imagine a person whose fantasy is to be like KenTX.  The reality of your life must be horrifying.

3) You are a huge elitist snob.  You constantly proclaim that no one understands anything but you.  Somehow we are all just idiotic, ill-informed worms annoying your omniscient person.  And you think you are not elitist?  You are not a snob? 

by ProfRich on 04/04/2008 10:23:37 AM EST

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John Kerry is a snob. (none / 0)
I'm a redneck Texan with ancestry that dates back to the early 1700s with the Canary Islanders of Bexar, and later with colony settlers to the Republic. What makes it "your state", you Birkenstock wearing newbie, liberal hippie?

by KenTX on 04/04/2008 11:17:08 AM EST

[ Parent ]
From my reading of Farenbach, (none / 0)
Since my family has been here for more than three centuries,that makes me the Real Texan in this conversation. You Sir, no doubt descend from carpetbaggers and scalliwags. Now gwan! Git! At least pick up a CD at County Line BBQ, so you can learn the lingo.

by KenTX on 04/04/2008 11:35:37 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Change the subject... (none / 0)

but you can't shake me.

I never ever ever once suggested you weren't Texan, Ken.  Just suggested that blaming character flaws on being Texan didn't sit well with me.

Of course, you have been able to tell by now I am no carpetbagger or scalliwag or if I were a scalliwag that would strongly suggest I had deep Texas roots, even if they were shameful.  Do you know what a scalliwag is? 

Are you hispanic, Ken?  Native American? French?  In 1708, these are pretty much the only options in Texas. The Canary Islanders came in 1731 and are just Spanish guys anyway. This would make your racism and anti-French stances kinda bizzare but anyway.

It is ironic you mention County Line since, despite waiting and bartending at their flagship location for eight years, I prefer the real traditional Texas bar-b-q from the Salt Lick but only the original location in Driftwood about three miles from my childhood home.

Bar-b-q is probably not where you want to fight this fight, Ken.  No matter how much you might annoy me I will not accuse you of not being Texan.  I have too much honor for that.

I don't really know how far back my Texas heritage goes.  I have never been so insecure in my identity I had to establish a pedigree.  I was born in Austin, my dad in Rockport (and his dad and his dad).  My mom in El Paso where a large number of things are named after my grandfather.  One grandmother is from New Mexico.  But it is certainly my Texas.  It can be yours too, just don't abuse it and use it to make excuses, no matter how long you claim your family has been here.  Respect it and honor it.

Texas was a great place before the scumbag Republican siezed control of the damn place.  Remember Texas almost went a couple of centuries without electing a Republican to statewide office.  We only went GOP 4 times in our first 32 elections (in massive landslides in 1928, 1952, 1956 and 1972).  these are both records I would like to see us break.

Texas was historically a stalwart Democrat state before all the goddamned Claifornians moved here and seduced you and so many others to the dark side.  But, yeah, I guess I am the one breaking with my state's tradition, huh?

Whatever, Ken.  I'm a Texan, you're a Texan.  Its a big place, it can hold us.  You keep calling me a liar when I talk about my life and it gets my blood up.  I am gonna ask you to stop and focus on the issues or the personalities we display here.

One last thing.  My grandfather says, "Never ask a man where he is from.  If he's from Texas, he'll let you know.  If he's not, you don't want to embaress him." 

by ProfRich on 04/04/2008 12:27:46 PM EST

[ Parent ]
rich (none / 0)
I'm driving and blogging on my BB and foolin around. You've never been able to take a joke. Yes, I have Hispanic and Native American ancestry. I descend from the Leals, who owned a league of land that today is called "downtown San Antonio". My Manning ancestors owned 840 acres in an area that is referred to today as "Highland Park".

by KenTX on 04/04/2008 01:07:46 PM EST

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Be careful (none / 0)

Blogging and driving don't mix!

My great grandfather owned a grocery store in Rockport that is today know as some other grocery store in Rockport.

I bet your family wishes they still owned Highland Park, huh?  Downtown San Antonio is probably worth more but I would hate to have to do the upkeep on it. 

by ProfRich on 04/04/2008 01:21:58 PM EST

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rockport (none / 0)
If you're related to the Coffman's then you and I are cousins. As a professor of history, I strongly suggest that you research your family history. Its fun, easy, and addictive. You can join ancestry.com by the month, and you should be able to get pretty far. Usually, you can find other people who have done all the work.

by KenTX on 04/04/2008 01:55:43 PM EST

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No Coffman blood I know of (none / 0)

But we might be related nontheless.

My mom has done the genealogy I just need to sit down and read it one of these days.

And, in case we have new people reading, I am not a professor, just a teacher.  The Professor Rich tag was given me by Ben and Cenk waaaaaay back in the early days of TYT when they actually took calls. 

by ProfRich on 04/04/2008 02:03:44 PM EST

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Ken (none / 0)

You forgot.

Your wife is Louisiana French. So you got all your bases covered now, don't you?

by z1p101 on 04/04/2008 01:43:31 PM EST

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Do you doubt this info? (none / 0)
Jesse once posted my family tree on TYT's website. He can verify my ancestral roots.

by KenTX on 04/05/2008 11:51:07 AM EST

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Why would I doubt you? (none / 0)

Heck, I have ancestors that fought in the Revolutionary War. I also have ancestors who came to Ellis Island in the early 1900's.

There are millions of American mutts out there. 

by z1p101 on 04/05/2008 01:59:26 PM EST

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proud redneck? (none / 0)
Thats akin to saying proud to be ignorant.  Drag anyone behind your truck lately ken troll?

by Chinese Democracy on 04/05/2008 12:15:47 PM EST

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I would never do anything like that. (none / 0)
I've been busy lately, putting in fence posts.

by KenTX on 04/05/2008 02:57:14 PM EST

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bobo &#8800; Ken (none / 1)
Not by a long shot.  If nothing else, Ken actually supports his opinions with news, numbers and historical analysis -- even if he's wrong.

by jarett on 04/04/2008 03:07:26 AM EST

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Does he? (none / 0)
Who gives a shit. Hes an obnoxious right wing troll .

by Chinese Democracy on 04/04/2008 08:47:13 AM EST

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I suppose (none / 0)

Ken does usually make an effort to support his arguments but you have to ignore the fact that the links don't go to articles that say what he thinks they do.  He also distorts everything to try to make himself right and does so pretty transparently.

But even that meager effort makes him the most legitimate troll on the board.  No wonder he is so snobby. 

by ProfRich on 04/04/2008 10:13:17 AM EST

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Polls (none / 0)
I do not live by polls - people who do have way too much faith in the system and too much trust in the media that reports them...

Polls are very useful measurement tools. You just have to keep in mind that polls have margins of error, which have been quite large in the current election cycle. Also keep in mind that how a poll question is worded can have a dramatic effect on results.

by Twba on 04/04/2008 04:47:29 AM EST

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DLC types (none / 0)

I see what you mean. When you say DLC types you mean conservative democrats or those that that for example tend to vote for the "blue dog" democrats.

I think you know this already, but they're not one and the same. Hillary is a DLC democrat by definition, since she and her husband were among the founders. She is not a conservative democrat by any definition that I can think of.

There is a real difference. If you see yourself as conservative, don't be misled. My beef with the DLC is that they are responsible for the spineless weak congress that has allowed Bush to get his way at every turn.

 Jim Webb is a truly conservative democrat, but not a member of the DLC (somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I would be surprised). In fact he's a former Reaganite. He's somebody who's willing to take Bush to the woodshed, who stands up for his point of view and by extension for his constituents. Hillary is exactly the opposite. Jim Webb is a centrist, while Hillary is an enabler. Obama has essentially the same policies, but knows how to create his own frames, i.e., to fight back.

Look, I know you're very pro-Hillary. I don't expect you to change your tune on Obama, but don't be chicken little about Obama's probable eventual win. If you rise above the petty squabbles of our party, Its clear that Obama is a gifted politician. Is that really bad? He's on your side.

At the same time I've had to rethink Hillary. In case she wins, by whatever ugliness she has in store, she's still the only choice. McCain is superficially a swell guy, but he's surrounded by Jackals. I could never vote for him. Its sad because back in 2000 he would have gotten my vote over Gore, probably. 

by hazmat on 04/03/2008 06:49:42 PM EST

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My anecdotes (none / 0)
I'm a moderate, former Republican type who supports Obama to go all the way.  Several of my friends are the same.  On the libertarian-heavy board I frequent, a very common event is for financially conservative Libartarians to decide they support him--McCain's embrace of Bush's idiot fiscal policies was the deal-breaker for most.

I'd say, based on my unscientific observations, Obama has real support from moderates and even some middling conservatives.

SAM: What's new, Normie?
NORM: Terrorists, Sam. They've taken over my stomach and they're demanding beer.

by Spinny on 04/04/2008 08:33:02 AM EST

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