That's It, The Last Straw

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In which Verified finally passes the point of no return.

That's it. I've honestly tried to be open to her good qualities, but as of today I despise Sen. Clinton and her insulting tactics. Check out her lastest infuriating comment re: Sen. Obama's attempt to keep North Carolinians from voting.
 
She must honestly believe we're a bunch of ya-boes here in NC who can't see when a snake-oil saleman is selling us a load of crap. I'm going to go take a shower - I feel pretty dirty after hearing this.
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That's It, The Last Straw | 25 comments (25 topical, 0 hidden)
A Response On Behalf Of Bobo (none / 1)
(Bobo1 couldn't make it today, so he's asked me to respond as he normally would)

You Obamabots crack me up. Don't you get it? You ARE a bunch of kool-aid drinking ya-boes and you CAN'T see that Obama is just a snake-oil salesman in an empty suit with empty rhetoric looking to sell you a load of crap labeled "hope and change".

For your sake I hope you change your naive views on this issue.

Thanks  :)

by ihavenobias on 04/02/2008 12:12:37 PM EST

Thanks IHNB (none / 0)
Thanks IHNB. I needed a laugh.

by Verified1 on 04/02/2008 12:45:55 PM EST

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I have to hand it to you (none / 0)
You sure have the tune down pat.

by bfaul on 04/02/2008 02:10:10 PM EST

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Bravo, bias!!! (none / 0)
I couldn't have said it better myself!!!!

:)

by bobo1 on 04/02/2008 02:53:13 PM EST

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I give that a four (none / 0)
Because you forgot to mention how you represent all of America, which makes you right by default on every issue.
:) Smile
:9 Lip smacking good face

by Spencer on 04/02/2008 05:06:07 PM EST

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How things change in a year (none / 0)

Last year I thought Hillary might make a pretty good president, but liked Biden, Edwards, Richardson, Dodd, Kucinich better. Obama seemed to be a wonderful orator, but not much else.

Since then, especially with two candidates left in the race, Hillary has acted with desperation, dishonestly, and is too secretive about her finances. She "misremembers" what happened in Bosnia and northern Ireland; says the worst crisis in her life had to do with Monica [that's all?]; claims she had more influence in her husband's administration; lied about NAFTA in Ohio.

Bill Clinton pushed the "race card" as did others in her campaign, as if anyone who's not blind can't see racial hues, but not get hung up on them. Worse, they keep redefining the definitions of how they can win the nomination--starting with "caucuses don't count"--maybe the Nevada caucus where her supporters locked other candidates' supporters out of the caucus rooms can be the caucus to not count.

Barack Obama can't bowl. Can you? Who cares? His pastor has fiery sermons. I went to the Unitarian Church in NYC. I would have been sorely disappointed if the minister there wasn't fiery, controversial, and politically active. We can disagree with our pastors without disowning the church because there are many sermons that are positive and inspiring, and churches are more than anything, social spheres. 

Since there has been only 2 candidates left, I've learned to admire Obama, first for his brilliance, vision, charm, and especially for his unflappable coolness while remaining positive and open. Hillary says he should drop out. She says she and McCain has more experience, Obama has more legislative experience than Clinton, since he was in elected office since 1992, and she, since 2000. Hillary's people also lied about Barack's position as professor of Constitutional law at the University of Chicago. The law school corrected her false claim that he wasn't a professor, but the accusation remains on her site [for the uninformed].

I didn't expect or want to dislike Clinton, but she looks worse and worse every day, but if she weasels the nomination, I will hold my nose, gag a bit, and vote Democratic. I hate voting for the lesser of two evils again, that's why I am hoping to vote for Obama's winning ticket in November.

by zenie on 04/02/2008 12:29:28 PM EST

How Much Gin WIll It Take? (none / 0)
Well said Zenie. My last question is how much gin is it going to take in order for me to cast a ballot for Sen. Clinton in November if she is my only choice? 'Cause I'm gonna have to be s**t-faced drunk to do it.

by Verified1 on 04/02/2008 12:51:32 PM EST

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I am in Indiana (none / 0)
So I will have to buy my gin the day before.

Palin in 2012? Bitch, please! No, really, please run in 2012, bitch. ;)

by richardshort2001 on 04/02/2008 12:59:58 PM EST

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Let's Plan a Boozer (none / 0)
Yes, Richard. I used lived near the Indiana border for several years and remember that restriction. I always wondered why, if you were a felon and couldn't vote, that you should be restricted from buying alcohol on election day, too.
 
I see a real nation-wide bonding opportunity on the horizon. A coast to coast boozer on election day if Dems are forced to vote for Sen. Clinton.

by Verified1 on 04/02/2008 01:22:27 PM EST

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what a bunch of kooks! (none / 0)
You guys have unanimously expressed a willingness to vote for Hillary in the general if she wins the nomination, no matter how vile, loathsome, disgusting, and reprehensible you know her to be.

By contrast, Hillary supporters don’t feel the same way about Barack Obama. They don’t think he’s qualified to be president, and they will vote for McCain over Obama. I know several lifelong Democrats who have expressed these sentiments, but this goes far beyond my personal experience. The polls are eye opening.

For these reasons, I continue to support the nomination of Barack Obama.

by KenTX on 04/02/2008 09:01:35 PM EST

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laugh off this graphic (none / 0)
wow!

by KenTX on 04/02/2008 09:05:45 PM EST

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Don't make any odds yet (none / 0)

By contrast, Hillary supporters don’t feel the same way about Barack Obama.

Or they are liars. An equally probable explanation, whose basis is a gross generalization. You like gross generalizations, don't you?

by OneHitKill on 04/02/2008 09:07:39 PM EST

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Please see previous post. (none / 0)
This one, to be exact.

"You like gross generalizations, don't you?"

Yes I do. Polls indicate that Hillary supporters generally find Barack Obama gross.


by KenTX on 04/03/2008 02:32:47 AM EST

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Seems like just yesterday (none / 0)

Republican voters were going to implode the party before supporting McCain.

Then they all shut up and fell in line. 

by ProfRich on 04/03/2008 10:55:33 AM EST

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Why HRC Supporters Will Vote for McCain over Obama (none / 0)
Duh, because they're mostly Republicans, anyway, cross-dressing as Democrats.

by Verified1 on 04/03/2008 06:15:24 PM EST

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Try again (none / 0)
Duh, because they're mostly Republicans, anyway, cross-dressing as Democrats.

While I won't be voting for McCain, if I decided not to vote for ObamaChrist and vote Third Party, it would be because as someone who has voted as a Democrat in every election since 1972 I find condescending arrogant misinformed comments like that offensive.

I suppose unless I drink the Koolaide and learn to never question The Party like a good Republic....I mean Democrat I must not really belong.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 04/04/2008 12:44:55 PM EST

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Third Party (none / 0)
Thx for your comment, Hubble. Many Republicans have responded to Limbaugh's operation chaos campaign to try to nominate Sen. Clinton. Also several polls have shown that her supporters are more likely to vote for McCain if she is not nominated. By contrast, the number of current Obama supporters who would vote for McCain if HRC were the nominee is much, much lower.
 
Now I'm not saying that you are one of them, but the fact that these Clinton/McCain supporters would vote to perpetuate this hideous war, says to me that they are either clueless or heartless, maybe both. There is enough arrogance to go around. It also comes from some Clinton supporters who assume that Obama voters are somehow brainwashed by mesmerizing speeches or believe he is the second coming of Christ. Nonsense. We support him because of his record, his integrity and his policy plans. And some of us reject Sen. Clinton because of her underhanded self-serving tactics and what is increasingly looking like pathological narcissism.
 
I believe it may still be a close enough election in November, that a third party candidate might lead to McCain being elected. I would hate to have to explain to a grieving Iraqi mother that the bloody chlld in her arms is there because I had a chance to bring an end to the war, but I was petulant because my favorite candidate wasn't nominated, so I voted for Ralph Nader.

by Verified1 on 04/05/2008 01:13:17 PM EST

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Verified pulls out the guilt trip. (none / 0)
You judge a church by its pastor.

You judge a team by its coach.

You judge a book by its cover.

You judge a politician by his supporters.

Obama supporters are the ones who are rabid attack dogs who routinely call Hillary a bitch, a cunt, pathologically narcissistic, and on and on and on.

On the other hand most of the people who have doubts about ObamaChrist merely point out some of the issues and problems they see. Like his judgement to have as his mentor a racist minister who blames the white man for inventing Aids to kill off blacks and who give awards to an avowed black racist like Louis Farrakhan, whose religion preaches that the White Race are demons and was created by an ancient black scientist in a experiment gone horribly wrong.

When confronted with this Obama's answer is that after twenty years of attending this mans church, of being married by him, having his children baptized by him, of praising him as his spiritual advisor and mentor....he didn't know he was like that. Yep his mentor and friend never mentioned those views, and when he did talk about them in church it was only when The ObamaChrist wasn't in the pews. 

I haven't seen a lot of the vindictive name calling from the Non ObamaChirst supporters about Obama like the names Hillary is called, just jabs at the Obama supporters.

Speaking of judgement, you wrote

Many Republicans have responded to Limbaugh's operation chaos campaign to try to nominate Sen. Clinton. Also several polls have shown that her supporters are more likely to vote for McCain if she is not nominated. By contrast, the number of current Obama supporters who would vote for McCain if HRC were the nominee is much, much lower.

I must ask how can that be right when ObamaChrist himself said just a few weeks ago.

"I am confident I will get her votes if I'm the nominee," Obama stressed. "It's not clear she would get the votes I got if she were the nominee."

Did he misjudge his own appeal?

Quite frankly, it's not Obama I have the biggest problem with it's his disciples who act like Right Wing Lunatics when it comes to anyone questioning their savior.

I'm waiting for someone to accuse anyone who doesn't support Obama of being unAmerican.

Oh wait you did just accuse people who don't support Obama of potentially having blood on their hands, and by default being war mongers, how much more unAmerican can someone get.

All right all non Obama supporters you have been put on notice a vote for anyone but ObamaChrist is a vote against America and you will be guilty of treason.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 04/05/2008 04:20:35 PM EST

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Hubble (none / 0)
You should be ashamed of yourself. Your Southern Confederate Slave Owning ancestors held the ancestors of Barack Obama in bondage.

Oh wait a minute. He doesn't have any slaves among his ancestors. His people are from Africa. They are "Un-American".

Would you mind if I use this thread if Obama wins the nomination?

by KenTX on 04/05/2008 04:37:02 PM EST

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Guilt (none / 0)
Hubble, A few points in response to your latest post:
 
I simply don't think Sen. Clinton would be a president I could be proud of, and I base this upon what I consider to be a duplicitous, self-serving, win-by-any-means campaign. You obviously disagree with me. But I think we can act like grownups here without calling each other middle-school names or accusing anyone of treason.
 
I tend to not judge a book by its cover. I prefer to read it before I make a decision about whether I liked it or not. And even then, there may be things about it I liked and things about it I didn't like. But I don't have to don jackboots and toss it in a bonfire if there are things I disagree with.
 
If you truly believe in government by the people, then we - you and I - are indeed guilty for the suffering that this war has caused, simply by virtue of our citizenship. If you disagree with this war and have worked to resist its beginning or continuation, then I commend you. If you support the war, then I think you need to stand up for your principles, join the army and go and fight it. That's the way to assuage guilt.
 

by Verified1 on 04/05/2008 05:21:09 PM EST

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Agreed (none / 1)

I didn't especially dislike her either, and I still think she is probably the smartest politician of the bunch, but she seems to believe that it "ought" to be her and to hell with what everyone else thinks. I still think her head would be mostly in the right place, and I'd certainly choose her over any Republican no matter what. 

Let's just say that the political winds have blown up her skirt and exposed her naked ambition and I'm feeling a little queasy at what I saw.

by bfaul on 04/02/2008 02:25:38 PM EST

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This? (none / 0)
"Let's just say that the political winds have blown up her skirt and exposed her naked ambition and I'm feeling a little queasy at what I saw."

I couldn't decide whether to crack up laughing or just sigh in understanding.  Brilliant imagery!

SAM: What's new, Normie?
NORM: Terrorists, Sam. They've taken over my stomach and they're demanding beer.

by Spinny on 04/02/2008 02:41:21 PM EST

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well said (none / 0)
I'll sigh too, because it is so true.

by desertpear on 04/02/2008 04:43:38 PM EST

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consider this (none / 0)

I totally agree with you that this is hideous, cynical politicking. Its nakedly disingenuous almost to the point of comical. Who would be dumb enough to swallow this garbage? Her ability to alienate potential voters never ceases to amaze me.

But its not all bad. Go over to NY times and read the Hillary Waltz column by Maureen O'Dowd. She's been overwhelmingly pro-Obama. But today she's saying, at least as far as Hillary is concerned, don't hate the player, hate the game.

Its obviously time for hillary to get out, but then maybe its time for Barack to show that he can close her down by winning on her turf. Obama said it himself on "60 minutes" earlier in the primary season:

(paraphrased from memory)

Q: If you're the front runner, how can you say you're also the underdog?

Obama: Hillary's the champ. You're not gonna go in there and win on points. You gotta knock her down. 

 

by hazmat on 04/02/2008 12:31:13 PM EST

Wilbur Buds (none / 0)
Thanks for the link, Hazmat. I thought the Rosenkavalier analogy was a bit tortured, but an interesting perspective, nonetheless. You could take the waltz analogy a bit farther and ask the Anne Murray question, "Could I Have This Dance For The Rest of My Life?" Because that's how long it's going to feel if this isn't over with soon.
 
And by all means, he  should have had chomped down some Wilbur Buds. They are really pretty good, but that's why I look like the hair-netted ladies and he is so slim.
 
Now I'm going to be singing that stupid song for the rest of the day.... would you be my partner every night......when we're together it feels so right...
 
Sorry 

by Verified1 on 04/02/2008 01:13:36 PM EST

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