Is Hillary Lucky to be a White Woman?

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First of all, you have to give Hillary Clinton a ton of credit. Whether you agree with the way she has run the campaign or not, she is a fighter and no matter what happens she keeps getting back up.

Her campaign theme song should definitely be "I Will Survive" by Gloria Gaynor. I'm surprised they haven't used that on the campaign trail yet (it would also help because it's a rallying cry for women everywhere - if you don't believe me, just play it at any bar or club and see how the women in there react).

I come away from each of these primary nights shaking my head at how well she has sprung back up. You do have to confess there is a certain Rocky quality to her campaign (they should also play "Eye of the Tiger" at campaign stops to rally the men).

Now, a lot of that admiration will be washed away the next time she runs one of those 3AM ads or pretends to be concerned about what Barack Obama's neighbor or pastor said. But for the moment being, in the afterglow of yet another surprising showing (at least surprising in my eyes), I have to give credit where credit is due.

So, of course, I was curious as to how she did it. I dove into the numbers and for every positive number for Senator Clinton there was an equal and opposite number for Senator Obama. The "bitter" flap didn't seem to make much of a difference. Obama didn't do as well in affluent, highly educated voters as he usually does, but it was close. Clinton did better with late deciding voters (are these the voters that the fear ads work on?). But no one number blew me away.

Except one category that Hillary Clinton almost always does well in - white women. She did even better in this category than she normally does, plus Pennsylvania has more people in this category. Senator Clinton won 65% of the white women vote. In a state as white as Pennsylvania, it's hard to overcome that good a showing in that large a category.

Now, Obama has overcome that barrier before in plenty of white states and he has won many states where the majority of the voters were women (which are most states). But when a giant chunk of the electorate comes out in that large a number to one side, you'd really have to clean up everywhere else to compete.

I know Geraldine Ferraro got in trouble for saying Barack Obama was lucky to be a black man running in this race. Obviously we understand what she means, that winning large percentages of the black vote helps in some key states. What was frustrating was that she didn't seem to understand that it also cost him plenty of votes and that historically a black man has been anything but lucky when running for a nationwide office (or in many cases, statewide office).

It's obviously not just the color of Barack Obama's skin. African-American voters didn't turn out in large numbers for Alan Keyes in the 812 races he's been in. Michael Steele didn't get any love in Maryland when he ran for governor and neither did Lynn Swann in Pennsylvania. Obama has obviously attracted large portions of the African-American vote because of his stance on the issues, his viability and his personal appeal as a candidate. Once he crossed all those thresholds, then his race helped him with black voters.

The same can now be said of Senator Clinton. If it was so easy for a woman to become president, how come they're 0-43? Obviously Senator Clinton put herself in the ballgame by running an effective campaign and holding views that appeal to the voters. Having said that, after she crossed these thresholds, it has helped her that she is a woman. To deny that would be a little silly. Sixty-five percent of the white women vote goes a long way.

Let me repeat that this doesn't take anything away from Senator Clinton's accomplishments. And some can argue that women should be proud to stand together to give their preferred candidate a better shot. But would she still be in this race if she wasn't a woman? My guess is no.

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I think Hillary is doing so well in these big states due mainly to name recognition.  Most "normal" people still aren't aware of who Barack Obama is, and the less money they make, the less time they have to devote to things like politics.  She has her core demographic of women who are voting for her purely because they want a woman in the White House, but Obama has formed a much more broad coalition. 

Obama's message simply has a much tougher time permeating through everyone in these bigger states--it's just that many more levels of people needed to run a campaign.  He should start doing much better in the fall as the broadcast networks start focusing on the general election.  Hillary keeps complaining about the amount of money Obama is spending, but she has an enormous advantage of being married to a former President, which most of us thought was nearly an insurmountable advantage a few months back.  There's a reason most of the blogosphere/left wing media is heavily in favor of Obama--those who are really paying attention prefer his message.   Hillary's surrogates are in it either because they want a woman to win or because they feel they will personally gain from supporting her (like Rendell.) 

 In the end this whole race is fine for the Democrats.  It's apparent now that Obama is going to have just about wrapped up the nomination by June 3rd with or without the Super Delegates.  Enough of them should get the message to pledge support for him so he can attack McCain.

by schmoab on 04/23/2008 12:44:41 PM EST


First, Hillary Clinton was expected to win Pennsylvania, BIG, there is no surprise here... Second, Hillary has dug herself deeper in the whole, because she did not win by double digits... She can no longer win by the popular nor the selected delegate vote... Third, Hillary, did not win by double digits, you media types have to stop being lazy and go to the official SOS website...the margin was by 8 points...

by det1ddd on 04/23/2008 02:19:10 PM EST


I am never surprised to see how when Obama looses a state how his supporters try to claim it as a victory. "she was supposed to win by 20% so Obama cut it in half so he won that battle" or " The white women are only voting for her because she is a woman." Yet if I were to sya that Obama won the black vote because he is a black man, I would be called a racist or accused of playing the race card. Yet Obama supporters do not want to talk about the fact that he spent 3 times more money in PA then she did and still lost by double digits. He even did worse then expected in the areas he was thought to have by large margins. Considering that no one thinks his "bitter" comment had any effect, there had to be other reasons for her win.

Understand that my choice for the nomination was Sen Edwards and given that he is not in contention, my only real intrest is in winning in November against the Repugnant McCain. If I had to shoose between the two remaining I am not sure what I would do, but I am sure that I would go on their record and positions on the issues that matter to me. Having said that, their voting records are not much different. What does get me is Obama's stance on the war. He stands on the stump giving speech after speech on how he was against the war from the start and yet saw fit to vote for the funding of that war on every funding bill. If he as truly as against the war as he claims, then why nhot vote NO on the funding or was he afrid to be called unpatriotic?

My point is that although he has a large grass roots following of fanatic does not mean he is the new massaih. He is a politician just like every other one in Washington. No matter how much he claims to be the voice of "change" in the face of the washington machine, does not make it true. He plays the game just the same has Hillery or any other politician.  

by Mystic24 on 04/23/2008 02:40:23 PM EST


Hillary supporters reveled in derisively calling Obama's campaign a fairy tale.

They mock his assertion that more than halfing Hillary's lead in PA is significant.

They ignore the fact that Obama outpolls Hillary in the general, particularly in the purple states.

Yet they have no problem promoting the fantasy that Hillary can still legitimately win the nomination.  That is the real fairy tale. 

by ProfRich on 04/23/2008 08:40:55 PM EST

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Cenk and many other fellow listeners should go read RJ Eskow's new post at HuffPo.  I'm kind of pissed at Cenk for not understanding what racism is and how the God damned, hellbound Clintons have been exacerbating racial insecurities to their advantage.  Well, I'm done.  I won't vote for the harridan if she steals it and I don't think I'll even bother voting for Obama and his high-minded non-negative attack policy towards Harridan Clinton.  Forget McSame.  I hate American politics and by extension...

by veeve on 04/23/2008 02:46:59 PM EST


"and I don't think I'll even bother voting for Obama and his high-minded non-negative"

This attitude is a worse problem for us as Americans than the worst Republicans.  Is it necessary for me to explain why?


by bfaul on 04/23/2008 03:41:15 PM EST

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He should have savaged her with Tuzla attacks and worried about it later.

by veeve on 04/23/2008 04:10:10 PM EST

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from being right there with you.

by Spencer on 04/23/2008 08:44:34 PM EST

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Cenk,

I hear ya', but... putting the whole race and gender issue aside for a moment... where I tend to disagree with what you're saying is in the area of praising and admiring Clinton's campaign.  I might add that this is the second time you've done this.  Similar praise was heaped upon Clinton after Ohio too. You have confessed there is a certain "Rocky" quality to her campaign etc.  I disagree.  I think there is a certain "Tyson" quality to her campaign.

You can't on the one hand decry the negative, gutter politics that Clinton is willing to employ, but then praise those tactics when they are effective.  If someone is willing to hit below the belt and bite someone's ear in a boxing match, sure, that may effectively bring their opponenent down.  But, as a fan and spectator I either enjoy and praise such a fight or I don't.  If that were the case, I could not and would not  go up to Mike Tyson after watching him bite someone's ear off and tell him how he fought such a great fight, just so long as he makes sure that in future fights he doesn't again bite someone's ear off.  By praising Tyson, I would add legitimacy and credibility to his tactics.  And this, in my opinion, is analgous to what you're doing with Sen. Clinton.  I hate to say it, but, you're doing EXACTLY the same thing that you often accuse journalists of doing.  You don't seem willing to let a valid criticism stand on its own without also throwing in a good dose of praise... lest you make the candidate and/or some of her supporters feel uncomfortable.

Now on the other hand, if you approve of such tactics, then just say so and stop complaining of those negative tactics when they are employed.  Because in the end, if her negative tactics help her secure the Democratic nomination, then Obama will have not only lost the nomination, he will have lost the argument that this country is truly ready for change... and if that happens, it will be a sad day for all of us.

by newseven on 04/23/2008 05:58:50 PM EST


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