Florida lawmakers debate offering a Christian license plate

Google Technorati del.icio.us digg reddit
If you like this story, digg it!
Florida drivers can order more than 100 specialty license plates celebrating everything from manatees to the Miami Heat, but one now under consideration would be the first in the nation to explicitly promote a specific religion.

The Florida Legislature is considering a specialty plate with a design that includes a Christian cross, a stained-glass window and the words "I Believe."

Rep. Edward Bullard, the plate's sponsor, said people who "believe in their college or university" or "believe in their football team" already have license plates they can buy. The new design is a chance for others to put a tag on their cars with "something they believe in," he said.

If the plate is approved, Florida would become the first state to have a license plate featuring a religious symbol that's not part of a college logo. Approval would almost certainly face a court challenge.

The problem with the state manufacturing the plate is that it "sends a message that Florida is essentially a Christian state" and, second, gives the "appearance that the state is endorsing a particular religious preference," said Howard Simon, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Florida.

The "I Believe" license plate still has a way to go before it reaches the roads. The proposal is part of a package of license plates being debated in the Senate and ready for a floor vote. In the House, the bill that would authorize the plate has passed one committee 8-2. The Legislature's annual session ends May 2.

Some lawmakers say the state should be careful. Rep. Kelly Skidmore said she is a Roman Catholic and goes to Mass on Sundays, but she believes the "I Believe" plate is inappropriate for the government to produce.

"It's not a road I want to go down. I don't want to see the Star of David next. I don't want to see a Torah next. None of that stuff is appropriate to me," said Skidmore, a Democrat who voted against the plate in committee. "I just believe that."

Florida's specialty license plates require the payment of additional fees, some of which go to causes the plates endorse.

One plate approved in 2004, displaying the motto "Family Values," funds Sheridan House, which provides family programs but also sees its purpose as "sharing the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the Bible" and "information about the Christian faith."

The bill creating the "I Believe" plate would also create an "In God We Trust" plate to benefit the children of soldiers and law enforcement officers whose parents have died. It also could face opposition as a violation of the separation of church and state.

An Indiana plate with the same "In God We Trust" phrase has been challenged by the ACLU, but the courts so far have deemed it legal, arguing that it is comparable with other specialty plates.

This isn't the first time a Florida license plate design has created religious controversy. In 1999, lawmakers approved a bright yellow "Choose Life" license plate with a picture of a boy and girl. It raises money for agencies that encourage women to not have abortions.

That generated a court battle, with abortion rights groups saying the plate had religious overtones. But it was ruled legal, and about a dozen states now have similar plates.

A "Trust God" license plate was proposed in Florida in 2003. It would have given money to Christian radio stations and charities, but was never produced.

Earlier this year, a legislative committee was shown an image of a "Trinity" plate that showed a Christlike figure with his arms outstretched. It and two other plates were voted down.

The group asking for the "I Believe" plate, the Orlando-based nonprofit Faith in Teaching Inc., supports faith-based schools activities. The plate would cost drivers an extra $25 annual fee.

Approving the plate could open the state to legal challenges, according to Josie Brown, who teaches constitutional law at the University of South Carolina. And it's not certain who would win.

"It would be an interesting close call," Brown said.

Simon, of the ACLU, said approval of the plate could prompt many other groups to seek their own designs, and they could claim discrimination if their plans were rejected. That could even allow the Ku Klux Klan to get a plate, Simon said.

Bullard, the plate's sponsor, isn't sure all groups should be able to express their preference. If atheists came up with an "I Don't Believe" plate, for example, he would probably oppose it.

from:

http://ap.google.com/articl e/ALeqM5jpCRa_2onj6TwJ2DCIl U7OPlswnAD908EOA80
< Good news on the North Carolina front | Hillary Clinton Supporters -- The Global Warming Deniers of Democratic Politics? >
 Display:
Dear god,
     please stay out of our schools and government.  If you don't answer my prayer, I am going to stop believing in you ;)

by chrisandyasemin on 04/25/2008 09:54:13 AM EST


I saw this and I was come on,.. they already have two obviously Christian leaning plates.. and most of them with the 'choose life' plates have mini-vans covered in Jesus fish...

by jazzchic on 04/25/2008 11:24:42 AM EST


A Muslim cresent plate? A Jewish star of David plate (you'd think Florida would be a great place for that one), how about a plate with an image of Krishna, or a blank one that says "I don't believe". If you have one with a cross then all of these others are just as valid. If they did this way, I would be for it, but you know they won't. It Christianity (their form of it) or nothing. I am a Christian myself, but I am EXTREMELY against mixing church and state. We are taught that through our bevavior and treatment of our fellow woman/man to inspire people to Christ, not try and ram Him down people's throats. There is NOTHING Christian about that. This issue is one of the ways that this country can be destroyed and is worth taking to the streets over.

by mijoh on 04/25/2008 11:38:09 AM EST


There is already the In God we trust license plate in Indiana...every time I see it, I just cringe...it's terrible that the masses forget why America was started in the first place...

by chrisandyasemin on 04/25/2008 12:10:14 PM EST


Going to go ahead and refer to my first ever post and its ensuing discussion rather than have it again.

by ProfRich on 04/25/2008 12:25:15 PM EST

[ Parent ]
It was pretty.

And after all, I DO trust in God.

I'm just patiently waiting for the Buddhist one and the Jewish one, aren't you?

by jarett on 04/25/2008 08:53:12 PM EST

[ Parent ]
I'm waiting for the Gitche Manitou.

by z1p101 on 04/25/2008 10:44:03 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Im waiting for the gov of states and the federal gov to stop promoting Christianity. Im also waiting for the ACLU to sue that plate right off of your car.

by Chinese Democracy on 04/26/2008 01:50:42 PM EST

[ Parent ]
But without the "Pro-choice" plate this argument is just indefensible.

by ProfRich on 04/26/2008 03:16:21 PM EST

[ Parent ]

 I think the political cycle has a part in this along with Florida having a GOP mahority. In years gone by around this time of year before an election, it is either an issue about abortion, gay mariage, Terri Schivo etc.

 I think the Florida GOP is going to use this issue and the other one about teaching Intelligent Design to motivate the fundamentalist into emotional hate for anything liberal or progressive.

 The GOP has no real political platform except the rhetoric they use and will propagate, until around October, of spin what they claim is wrong with the Left and after that, the last month of campaigning, they will switch to "vote for us because we aren't them".

 They have been doing this crap from Jack Abrahmoff's first days in the late 1980's with "family value's".

 

 It's the same dance with just a different song. 

by Pensacola on 04/25/2008 12:54:40 PM EST


<h1>Latest specialty plate rejected</h1><h1> </h1>

TALLAHASSEE -- A late effort to get a religious specialty plate approved was rejected on the Senate floor Friday.

Sen. Ronda Storms, R-Valrico, tried to amend onto another bill a plate with the words “I Believe” and a large cross in front of a stained-glass, church-like window.

Proceeds from the plate would go to support faith-based education, she said.

But other members quickly objected, saying the proposed plate did not make it through the required committee process, nor did it follow the required procedures of submitting petitions showing that people are willing to buy it.

Storms argued that the group proposing the plate hired a group to gather petition signatures, and the group hired submitted invalid petitions. The plate’s proponents should not be blamed for that, she said.

But other members said her plate was controversial enough to drag down the bill with other, acceptable license plates on it -- one of which was designated to help raise money t preserve Florida’s lighthouses.

Storms’ amendment, and plate, were rejected on a voice vote.

by Pensacola on 04/25/2008 01:01:20 PM EST


The Trinity plate should have been made in the shape of a crucifix so long that it drags on the ground and makes sparks.  Florida has so many great potential nicknames and mottos, it's no wonder they can't decide on a single plate.

 

America's Wang

E Plurbus Elian Gonzales 

The Slow State

Gator Food, One and All

Am I Ever Glad I Live in the Everglades

Tourism Keeps Us Fed; Yankee Go Home

My Other Car is Terry Schiavo's Hospital Bed 

Chattahoochee:  It's Not Just for Crazies Anymore 

by OneHitKill on 04/25/2008 01:24:53 PM EST


I demand my pole dancer plate now!!!

by rev24 on 04/25/2008 02:16:24 PM EST


So this week, the Florida legislature has discussed pressing topics such as the license plate for God and Truck Nutz.

Thank you Rhonda Storms. I am so glad you went from running the local government off-track to adding your brand of crazy to the state.

by jazzchic on 04/25/2008 07:06:56 PM EST


for truck vaginas.

by desertpear on 04/25/2008 09:33:11 PM EST

[ Parent ]
it has a swear word in it .  They cant have swear words in the plate or on bumper stickers but FL plates can promote a political agenda  like  Choose Life.  (R)  always always always seem to be on the wrong side of things.

by Chinese Democracy on 04/26/2008 01:53:11 PM EST

[ Parent ]
 Display: