Cenk is WAY off base

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Some of the comments Cenk made during the Peggy Orenstein interview on 5/15 have been eating away at me so I figured I should blog it out.

During the interview, Cenk theorized that one reason younger women are more likely to vote for Obama than older women are is because women have "won" equal rights.  So, while the older women fought for them, the younger women enjoy the benefits of equal rights.  Therefore, voting for a woman is not as important to younger women since they have not experienced the same battles as older women.

I recognize that there have been vast improvements in women's rights but I also think we still have a ways to go.  The mere fact that women make 77 cents for every dollar a man makes is proof that we aren't treated equally.  If you need more, women do not represent half of our elected officials.  Just because one woman campaigns for the presidential nominee is not enough.  If half of our elected presidents are women, then you may be able to say we have "won."  Women are also not equally represented in business.  They do not represent half of all managers and only 1% of CEO's of Fortune 500 companies are women.  Countless women are beaten by their partners and one in eight women will be raped in their lifetime.  Some say that figure is closer to one in four since rape crisis centers frequently report that only half of women go to the police after a rape.  All of these facts reveal a clear picture of sexism and injustice.

I think that in order to continue to correct these injustices, we need to recognize them first.  I think that Cenk saying women have "won" equal rights is like saying black people have "won" equal rights.  Most people agree that racism still exists and I think we need to agree that sexism also obviously exists.

The reason I have been using quotes around the word Cenk used, " won," is because it frames the goal of equal rights as a war.  In that case, who are women fighting?  Men?  I don't think we need to put men down in order to bring women up.  There is room for all of us.  After all, men are our husbands, fathers, brothers and sons.  Since our lives are inextricably linked, I think a strong argument can be made for the fact that if women are treated better, men can only benefit from that.

Wow, I didn't mean to come off as so serious but I really do think these are important points that need to be made.  I'll include a fun poll to lighten the mood.

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Cenk 68%
Dave 18%
Jayar 0%
Jesus 0%
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Women have won their civil and political rights, in that Cenk is right. The problem is no longer in that sphere, the problem is now social and economic. The tradition in neoliberal government has been to deny all minorities access to social and economic rights, especially preventing those rights from being enshrined in the constitution. Thus, if women want to really change things they need to push the agenda for the government to secure substantive not legalistic rights (ERA?). Women are underrepresented in executive levels, but having worked for government at least here in Canada, women might even be over-represented especially in lower management.

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by Nick86 on 05/16/2008 11:56:25 AM EST


    I agree with you 100% disagree 0%

 

by mcj on 05/16/2008 12:14:23 PM EST


Cenk's comments are a reflection of his old world traditional background as much as his observations and conclusions. It's easy to look at successes and ignore how much we've won and lost over the years.

My grandmother was a suffragette, marching, protesting to get the vote. I used to have a poster on the wall with contact information for doctors who would perform abortions before women got the right to control their own bodies. I wrote letters, marched, lobbied, protested to get an Equal Rights amendment. We failed, so far.

As long as we're stuck with conservatives whose main goal with education is to have a country of ignorant citizens, we'll have a harder time getting the information about how much more needs to be accomplished out to them. The opposition to Affirmative Action, which is nothing more than equal opportunity for everyone, is powered by lies about oppressing white men, rather than looking at the reality for women and minorities. 

Equality for women is good for families and everyone else. We don't even have laws we need to protect us, and enough honest justices to uphold existing laws. It's just not here yet. 

by zenie on 05/16/2008 12:39:30 PM EST


Although I had problems with a number of things that Ms. Orenstein said about Hillary and her critics yesterday, I completely agree with you about Cenk’s off-based remarks that the battle for equal rights for women has already been won.  Immediately, I couldn’t help but to compare this statement to the ongoing battles minorities still face despite legal equality.  By comparing young women’s decision to vote Obama rather than Hillary as a sign that this battle has been won is completely absurd.  Young people may be dumb, but they’re not that dumb. 

I don’t know why people are so surprised to think that young voters are capable of making comprehensive decisions that are not solely based on dualities like gender and race for the benefit of their gender/race.  There are also a large number of young women who don’t fall into the stereotypical, protest on the streets in Berekeley, type of feminist working hard to make changes for women.  Most importantly, as witnessed in that anti-Muslim CBS video yesterday, I think people need to call the bull when they see it in their daily lives. 

by rev24 on 05/16/2008 01:20:18 PM EST


I do have to say though, I am very much NOT a fan of arguing that true equal rights means *exact* population based, proportional representation in all areas. 

In fact, I think that idea is ridiculous.  It's one thing to say the ratio is way off in some cases but quite another to believe that until things are exactly 50/50 (I'm not talking about pay here, obviously that *should* be 50/50 all else being equal) or 52 to 48, that the battle hasn't been won.

by ihavenobias on 05/16/2008 01:46:06 PM EST

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it was between Ana and Jayar for me. Ana wins out because Jayar has allowed Cenk to swiftboat him with the "hater" meme. Besides, she's smokin hot. What's wrong with you people? She's the closest thing we have to someone providing sanity on the show since ben left.

by hazmat on 05/16/2008 03:28:27 PM EST


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