Don't Go Too Easy on the Catholic Establishment

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I originally started writing this as a response to Nick86's post, and then it turned into a rant.  Apologies in advance.

Remember, as a Catholic you are (theoretically) an apostate if you think abortion is not the greatest crime in the world at the moment, if you believe gays should have equal social rights with heteros, if you ARE gay, if you think premarital sex is really not that big a deal, if you think birth control is necessary for a healthy society, etc.

After 16 years of combined Catholic and Lutheran education I have personally reached the conclusion that a lot of this stupid social engineering bullshit they try to do misses the forest for the trees.  Privately, several priests I've talked to have admitted as much to me as well, but our illustrious Holy Father would never concede such a thing; he is a hardcore authoritarian, much to the detriment of the faithful, I think.

Today, Martin Sheen spoke at my commencement and delivered a speech that actually moved me to tears about the Catholic values of service that motivated many of us to apply here in the first place.  At one point, in one voice the entire student body delivered thunderous applause and cheers to a remark he made about the arrogance of the nativism many people in this country display in the face of our rising immigration rates.  Given our generally conservative student body, I was really impressed.

There is much that is highly admirable about our faith, its traditions, its history and the hierarchy which actually does get some really fantastic work done.  There is also much that is backwards and sometimes downright revolting (c.f. the priest abuse scandals).  While we might really enjoy celebrating the comparative lack of intellectual arrogance displayed by the Catholic Church (at least historically) compared to some of the most visible Protestant ones, let's not lose sight of the mission progressive Catholics have to work to change the Church for the better.

Go Irish!

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As a fellow Catholic, you have to remember that we interpret what is good in the eyes of God differently from non-Catholics. We deem what is good through good deeds, helping the poor for example. Whilst Protestants are not into deeds so much as they are into orthodoxy. Meaning they do what is good by "correctly" interpreting the Bible, and being messianic, well at least the fundamentalists. That isn't to say that orthodoxy is not important to the church. People forget that the church was trending very left before JP II, and some interpret the death of JP I as a assassination by the establishment of the church of a very left-wing pope. 

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by Nick86 on 05/18/2008 08:33:28 PM EST


Catholicism is outward-turning and evangelicalism is inward-turning.  At least that's how I perceive it.

by jarett on 05/18/2008 08:47:43 PM EST

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I don't know about other elca churchs , But our elca church is very outward, In helping the poor, not only in our own area , But overseas in very poor areas. what ever we can send we do, Our outreach is something that we must do our best at. My hope is that all people can do the same.

by tuna on 05/19/2008 06:58:19 AM EST

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“At one point, in one voice the entire student body delivered thunderous applause and cheers to a remark he made about the arrogance of the nativism many people in this country display in the face of our rising immigration rates.”

Jarett, we have 300 million people living in the U.S. We don’t have a people shortage problem in this country, but we do have a serious border control problem. Illegal aliens sneak across the border by the millions, eventually giving birth to “Instant Americans”.

Should the U.S. promote immigration? Absolutely! But we should be recruiting and rolling out the red carpet to high ranking draft picks who can bring something to the Great American Picnic. People with advanced degrees in engineering and science. People with investment capital and good ideas about how to build businesses.

by KenTX on 05/18/2008 11:23:56 PM EST


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by Nick86 on 05/19/2008 11:44:33 AM EST

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