Obama's tied election?

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It seems entirely possible that for the first time, to my knowledge, that the US has had a deadlocked presidential election. The map shows it, now I am not sure how it works in the US when there is a deadlocked election. I believe the house of congress makes the decision, or the senate? But, with this possibility makes you wonder the outcry that a tied election could have! To have the elites choose the nominee AND the president! Hahah...greatest irony.
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If there is a tie (none / 0)

The newly elected House of Representatives votes on who the next president will be.  The kicker is that each state gets one vote for a total of 50 votes.  The group of representatives from each state decides amongst themselves how they will vote.  I'm not sure how that would look for a dem.  There are more red states, but with so much turnover towards the dems in the House, there might be a majority of dem reps in a majority of states.  I don't have the energy to look that one up. 

The Senate gets to vote on who the vice president will be.  

My opinion is that Ohio will go to the Dems, since they are sick to death of republicans and their slime in that state.  I also have hope that Obama could pull off a win in one of the Mountain West states other than CO, like Nevada or Montana (who have a Dem governor and Senator).   

by jawill11 on 05/23/2008 12:45:23 PM EST

...What? (none / 0)
Why does everyone map out the election? Things never go as planned in elections, people can change their minds easily.

by PresidentTyler on 05/23/2008 01:02:00 PM EST

Its called (none / 0)
contingency planning.. .calm down no one is saying this is going to be the actual map. 

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by Nick86 on 05/23/2008 01:04:43 PM EST

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For me (none / 0)
The mapping is used to identify swing states.  Don't you think there is value in knowing which states to focus on?

by ProfRich on 05/23/2008 01:58:11 PM EST

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Couple of corrections (none / 0)

First, the "tie-breaker" system has been employed twice.  Once was awesome, the other was disastrous.

In 1800, Jefferson clearly won but Aaron Burr got sneaky and tried to get electors to give him the White House (he was supposed to be VP).  They voted 35 times until Alexander Hamilton (in the only decent act of his evil, malicious pathetic political life) told his Federalists that even his great enemy TJ was better than a crook and TJ finally won.

In 1828, Jackson easily got the MOST EVs but becuase there were four major candidates he did not get a majority.  Mr. 4th place (Henry Clay) cut a deal with Mr. 2nd Place (J Q Adams) to put JQA over the top against the wishes of the people.  Mr 3rd place got sick and died so was out.  Adams went on to become one of the most hated presidents ever as America sat around and bitched for four years until Jackson got to bitchslap JQ all the way back to Braintree (Mass.).  It is interesting to note we have had two father-son president combos. In both cases the fathers were fairly unpopular and the sons were hated.

Second, what are you talking about elites picking the candidates?  The people voted, Obama won.  McCain won fair and square.  Maybe "elites" means someting different in Canada.

Third, currently the House delegations break down like this:

GOP- 21 

Tie- 2

Dem- 27

Add to this that NO ONE is predicting the GOP will gain seats and all signs point to a Congressional massacre and a tie goes to Obama.

Margins

GOP by 10+: 0 

GOP by 5-10:  3

GOP by 2-5:  5

GOP by 2 or less:  13

Dem b 2 or less:  17

Dem by 2-5:  6

Dem by 5-10: 1

Dem by 10+: 3 

 

by ProfRich on 05/23/2008 01:27:16 PM EST

Minor correction to your correction (none / 0)

The first instance in 1800 occurred before the 12th amendment was ratified, which lays down the current rules for a tiebreaker.  That said, I'm not sure how different the original rules were than the ones stated in the 12th amendment.  In the second, it doesn't sound like they actually used the tiebreaker system, they worked out a deal before it had to happen. 

 I'm glad you gave the numbers for states and their majority party representation.  I thought that there was a majority of dem represented states, but I wasn't sure.

by jawill11 on 05/23/2008 01:45:00 PM EST

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Fine, fine (none / 0)

I was just pointing out the two times the electoral college failed to yield a president after one vote.  The rules were different but it was a "tiebreaker" situation in each case.

In the first it was just crookedness that caused an actual tie.

In the second the electoral college DID vote but no one won a majority so they took the top three votegetters and voted again. 

by ProfRich on 05/23/2008 02:06:35 PM EST

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Thank you (none / 0)

For the history lesson, I am completly ignorant of American history prior to the civil war, and WWI. Very interesting information you presented.

 About the "elites" that wasn't a serious swipe, it was a Clintonian swipe at Obama.
 

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by Nick86 on 05/23/2008 04:12:28 PM EST

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New Hampshire (none / 0)
I really wonder, will NH go for McCain this year? Its been trending GOP so far, do you think that this is only because its so far away from the election and ppl aren't thinking about it? Or is it NH uniqueness in the NE coming out again?

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by Nick86 on 05/23/2008 04:13:50 PM EST

"Will NH go for McCain this year?" (none / 0)
Here’s how NH likes Obama.

by KenTX on 05/23/2008 04:28:23 PM EST

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Actually (none / 0)

Obama is pulling on McCain in NH. Rasmussen had Obama up just a few days ago.

I bet Ken already knew that though. 

by z1p101 on 05/23/2008 05:30:47 PM EST

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but (none / 0)
The landscape has drastically changed since January though, IMHO.

by desertpear on 05/23/2008 05:55:18 PM EST

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Hey, Ken (none / 0)
I got a question for you. 

How many votes did 2nd place Democrat Obama have, and how many votes did Republican winner McCain have?

Need a hint? here's a link. 

Palin in 2012? Bitch, please! No, really, please run in 2012, bitch. ;)

by richardshort2001 on 05/24/2008 01:21:51 AM EST

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Sorry (none / 0)
You'll have to click on the states tab then on New Hampshire on that big ol map.

I am sure a smart guy like you can figure that out though, right?

Palin in 2012? Bitch, please! No, really, please run in 2012, bitch. ;)

by richardshort2001 on 05/24/2008 01:23:29 AM EST

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