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Watch this video of recent remarks by Hillary openly hoping for an assassination attempt on the democratic nominee.

This seems to be her current rationale for staying in the race. I say "openly hoping", because it seems obvious to me that she would be next in line should something happen to Obama even if she were to acknowledge that she has in fact lost. It seems difficult in the wake of the last two weeks to use plausible-deniability here. Others are claiming that it came out wrong and was merely a very unfortunate remark. If someone can explain this to me (ground rules: bounds of reason!). Some have also suggested that she's just tired and it's showing.

Hillary's campaign is an historic one, no doubt. But it seems to be evolving into historic proportions for reasons other than her gender.

What do you think the fallout will be?

Also, she has supposedly issued an apology. If you can locate video footage please post it on this thread or send it to me. I'll post an update. 

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The talking heads are busy little bees who need to fill airspace with something to talk about. I watched along with everybody else and did not get the impression that she is hanging around waiting for him to get knocked off. It is unfortunate and in bad taste but come on, Keith Olberman ranted at the end of his show like she made a direct threat to Obama. Okay, I need a beer.

by satanisreal on 05/23/2008 09:18:40 PM EST


For someone who is trying to achieve something "for women," she sure is making us bitches look bad.  Apparently this is the second or third time she has used this exact phrase, so the "I was thinking of the Kennedys" excuse is a lie.  I feel sorry for her supporters. 

by desertpear on 05/23/2008 09:36:16 PM EST


Hillary used to be a great bitch.  Now she's just a desperate bitch, and that's a sad note to end on.  Had she just stuck to her principles I would still be rooting for her. 

by bfaul on 05/24/2008 10:32:46 AM EST

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I thought she was a really strong candidate and was proud to have her as the first real female contender for the presidency.  Now, not so much!  But like Cenk says, a lot still hinges on how she behaves after this is over.  Even now.  She and Obama could play good cop/bad cop on McCain.

One thing is for damn sure.  Remember when people were saying (earlier on) that maybe all these attacks will be good for strengthening Obama against republican attacks?  Well, she has done a good job at that!!!   Even if McCain never comes out and says it, you know his supporters will be really slinging some horrible stuff Obama's way. 

by desertpear on 05/24/2008 03:34:46 PM EST

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She was making a time reference for the nomination process - she does not want him assasinated. How fucking stupid do you really think people are, hazmat???

This is why I hate Obama people - any little thing said that might be construed as negative or bad and you guys go Ape Shit!!! Keith Olbermann had a coniption and David Gregory and Rachel Maddow were equally as stupid in their commentary about it -

The fact is, the nomination process is not over despite what you Obama supporters want - and a lot of shit CAN happen between now and August... or at least june 3rd - You guys set it up this way, not the GOP...

The Obama supporters need to stop bitching about every little thing Clinton or McCain says or does - Grow Some balls, People!!!... Its gonna get a whole lot worse come the fall - And I am more convinced than ever that its the Obama supporters who are tearing your party  apart, not the Clintons...

Thanks...

:)

by bobo1 on 05/23/2008 09:39:02 PM EST


Forgive them, they know not what they do.

I can understand how Pilate must have felt.

You must understand, they hate her. Most can't explain why. Some make wild accusations with no basis in fact.They cannot fathom how anyone could vote for her. She is evil personified so they "know" what she meant, despite all evidence to the contrary.

Their hatred is so overwhelming that it blinds them to their own candidates issues. They have no sense of perspective. She works with Pubs (she's a traitor) He works with Pubs (he's non-partisan)?

4 years ago most here laughed when Bush claimed a mandate. The facts and vote count supported the laughter and yet look now. Obama has 51% of the vote and they act like Bush on steriods. They don't need her or her voters (they all must be racist anyway). When polls show Obama doing well they are gospel and when they show otherwise (@$%%%^^$) it does not compute. I am sure you have noticed that nobody is saying "will of the people anymore" just in case she wins the popular vote.

I would love to she her pass him in the popular vote just to watch the reaction. If anyone should worry it should be her. I base that on the venom dripping hatred I have seen on this blog since last year. Their hatred has boiled over and has been recently directed at her voters and supporters.

Hatred is a two way street, they seem to forget this.

You know what is really funny. Christ was the ultimate liberal. Yet he is loved by the Pubs, not so much by the far left

Unlike Pilate i will not wash my hands so easily. Our friends need our help (friends don't let friends drive drunk, especially on "hate laced" koolaid.

To err is human, to err repeatedly is Liberal (at least in elections)

by LORD FOUL on 05/23/2008 10:42:02 PM EST

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"Some make wild accusations with no basis in fact. They cannot fathom how anyone could vote for her. She is evil personified so they "know" what she meant, despite all evidence to the contrary. Their hatred is so overwhelming that it blinds them to their own candidates issues. They have no sense of perspective."
 
Liberalism is a form of mental illness. Liberals hate McCain and Romney and Bush and Cheney and Hillary and anyone else who stands in the way of their acquisition of power.

They're still talking about impeaching George Bush, but they completely ignore the fact that no sane member of Congress agrees with them.

They want to gain control of the country so they can go on witch hunts and burnings at the stake.


by KenTX on 05/24/2008 12:54:27 AM EST

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you are becoming unglued. You are starting to crack up and it's worrying me.

by z1p101 on 05/24/2008 01:00:37 AM EST

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that train left the station a long long time ago

by Chinese Democracy on 05/24/2008 06:59:34 AM EST

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and are now basing your entire philosophy around it.  Thats nice

Thanks for checking in from the lunatic fringe. You can go now

by Chinese Democracy on 05/24/2008 07:04:01 AM EST

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Even when most of the people here already hated KenTX's posts, I used to think there was some shred of validity to a lot of what he wrote.
(Maybe I'm biased because he is a loyal supporter of the show. But this little liberal bashing post is really dumb.)  I think KenTX has let Rush Limbaugh borrow his identity for the summer.

David

by yturks on 05/24/2008 09:54:35 AM EST

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But the Far Left has seized control of the Democrat Party, and they plan to rule the country with a vengeful iron fist. Even at this late date, liberals are still talking about impeachment, even though no reasonable congressional representative agrees.

The Democrat Party and Barack Obama is seriously talking about prosecuting Bush Administration officials after they leave office. Maybe they’ll prosecute Bush for his “loose change” involvement with the attack on 9/11?

by KenTX on 05/24/2008 11:24:48 AM EST

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I see no evidence that the "Far Left has seized control of the Democrat [sic] party."  Obama and Clinton are very similar in terms of their "liberalism" and they aren't all that progressive or liberal, really.  They are hardly "far left."  In fact, Obama isn't as left on some issues as I would prefer (e.g., health care), and yet I am not pushing for impeachment.  Most of us just want to start fresh and try to bring some unity to this country.

The truth is that there are extremists on both sides, as in everything, just like your bell curve shows.  Of course there are democrats that want impeachment, just as there are far right loonies that don't care about the planet because they want Baby Jesus to come back and float them to heaven.

by desertpear on 05/24/2008 12:46:17 PM EST

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Ken will acknowledge that the Republican Party has been siezed by the Far Right considering they did impeach Clinton over a blowjob and prosecuted everyone they could over the last decade plus.

At least the GOP has committed actual crimes. 

by ProfRich on 05/27/2008 10:09:51 AM EST

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What the "Far Left" is. These two pro-NAFTA, pro-War on Terror, pro-War on Drugs, anti-LGBT, anti-Affirmative Action politicians are not even close to the "Far Left". What do you define as "Far Left", anyone to the left of Attila the Hun?

Cynicism is poison to reform and pumps life into the status quo.

by prezalex on 05/24/2008 03:06:39 PM EST

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It is straight jacket time.

Ken goes cuckoo 

by z1p101 on 05/24/2008 04:02:52 PM EST

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cuckoo  Cuckoo  

by Chinese Democracy on 05/24/2008 10:25:03 PM EST

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If bush admin. officials have committed any crimes they should be prosecuted, even after they leave, shouldn't they? How is this an "extremist" position to advocate?

by hazmat on 05/25/2008 10:42:51 PM EST

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If Bush people did anything wrong, they should be prosectuted now, not in 2010. That's like protestants and catholics burning each other after gaining power in 16th century England.

There is a tradition in this country of forgiving administration officials after they leave office.
Clinton was never prosecuted for selling pardons on his last day in office.

Sandy Scissorhands was given a slap on the wrist for destroying evidence.
sandy

by KenTX on 05/25/2008 11:59:41 PM EST

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glad to see you're coming to your senses.

by hazmat on 05/26/2008 12:01:50 AM EST

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"if they did anything wrong"

You should be asking why Democrats haven't moved to investigate, impeach, or prosecute Bush Administation officials. They control every committee and they have subpoena power.

If Democrats want blood, they've had plenty of time to do something.

by KenTX on 05/26/2008 12:05:24 AM EST

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it's a fair point. But you know where I stand on this, so I'm not going to belabor it. There's nothing to debate.

by hazmat on 05/26/2008 02:37:56 AM EST

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if a democrat were in power, and democratic officials had tried to pull a microscopic fraction of the garbage that Bush admin. officials have, the "D"emocratically appointed justice department would have gone after them, or at least pointed an independant prosecutor (see Starr, Ken).

There's some worry among democrats in power that they will lose some electoral advantage by prosecuting criminal activity and appearing "partisan". If you want an example of truly unpatriotic behavior by democrats, you may have unearthed it there ken! It's sort of like republicans using the abortion issue to draw out the teeming masses in a contrived crusade against "the murder of the unborn" while never actually doing anything about it. Still, like operation chaos, it's difficult to prove what people's intentions are, isn't it? 

by hazmat on 05/26/2008 02:45:58 AM EST

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Once again, George Bush is the best thing to happen to Democrats since JFK.

When you are at a poker table and you pick up a tell on someone, you don't let them know. You milk that sucker for all he's worth. 

by z1p101 on 05/26/2008 03:04:03 AM EST

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It isn't that I hate Bush and Cheney.  They're like vampires.  I don't "hate" vampires as a general rule, but like everyone else with any sense I know that no one is safe until someone drives a stake through their heart.

by bfaul on 05/24/2008 10:10:31 AM EST

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With all due respect the man should have been impeached years ago.

I didn't call liberals insane, they don't hate everyone but they do hate Hillary

Witch hunts? for 8 years a Pub Congress spent our tax money on witch hunts against Bill.

There is a big difference between oversight and witch hunts.

Your buddy george completely screwed up the war on terror and with it our economy

by LORD FOUL on 05/24/2008 05:10:32 PM EST

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"There is a big difference between oversight and witch hunts."

Democrats have had control of Congress since the 2006 election, yet there have been no investigations and no impeachment hearings because there was no impeachable offense.

Republicans proved that it's easy to impeach a sitting president with the most narrow of majorities in the House. All that is required is an impeachable offense. 

There are only 165 days until the election. Do you really think that Democrats are going to move on impeachment, if they haven't done it already?

by KenTX on 05/24/2008 05:32:43 PM EST

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Bush is the best thing that has happened to them since JFK!

by z1p101 on 05/24/2008 07:07:44 PM EST

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the assasination at a time when Ted Kennedy is in the news with cancer. HELP ANYTHING?  Is she trying to make the kennedy family feel better?

It was a stupid blunder at best and an inference that something could happen to Obama at worst.

by Chinese Democracy on 05/24/2008 07:05:52 AM EST

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Cause you aren't talking about this board.  I see people on here who typically supported other candidates and when they dropped out the good people of the TYT forums had the mathematical acumen to see Obama had almost certainly won.  I don't see anyone acting in the way you describe.  What you are describing is the world through the crakced lens of the Hillary Jesus Persecution complex not the world we are living in.

I will ask again, please explain to me, using math, how she wins?

You won't answer the question because it is reality-based and you have devolved into your fantasy world.

Obama's a fine candidate, so is Hillary.  Obama is winning and will get the nomination.  &nbs p;

by ProfRich on 05/27/2008 09:42:42 AM EST

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I retract my previous retraction about Hillary not having a chance.  Any chance she had she just blew. 

If anyone thinks she has a chance of getting her way with Superdelegates or the Rules committee on the 31st, well, I don't even know...

You coulda been VP, Hillary.  I suggest you enjoy your last 4 years as a Senator.  Live it up.

by richardshort2001 on 05/23/2008 11:30:34 PM EST


Since the usual morons have had their stupid say, I just want to say that my jaw dropped when I heard that comment.  I can't imagine how she can possibly go on after that statement--it was worse than what that fool Huckster said. 

 Of course she won't get out, and if she did, her supporters would just say that she was unfairly forced out by the media.  She has become a disgrace to herself, the party, Bill Clinton's legacy and all of America.

by schmoab on 05/24/2008 12:51:57 AM EST


Obviously, she is tired and yammering on in this clip, though eluding to an "anything can happen" scenario in where Obama gets killed as Kennedy did in June, its a pretty dark outlook and a truly horrible thing to suggest. And she IS SUGGESTING THE POSSIBILITY. When was the last time a politician of her caliber suggested something like this "might" happen again?

 She is not calling for his assasination of course, though you really have to look at why a hell she would say something like this. If she is hanging on ala Huckabee with his.. "you never know what might happen" theology, maybe her best chance IS Obama getting shot.

 Seriously. Hillary supporters. think about where her mind must be in order to say this. I supported Hillary for many months after Edwards dropped because I think she destroyed Obama in EVERY debate. But at this point, she is terrified to give up.  And now she is saying shit like this? goodnight irene/hillary

by nozini on 05/24/2008 12:52:45 AM EST


To be fair, she wasn't saying "what if Obama gets assassinated," but just saying that it wouldn't be the first time that the nomination process has lasted so long, as a way of justifying staying in the race.  But it was a tasteless way to do it, and since she has said it a few times now, it seems sort of calculated rather than an oopsie.


by desertpear on 05/24/2008 01:12:03 AM EST

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If anything happened to Obama and he was unable to be the candidate it would've have gone to Hillary anyway.  At least in the past, she may have burned so many bridges now there would be a fight.  But say Obama magically dissappeared a month ago, what happens to the nomination?

The continuing to run because he might not be able to is a ridiculous argument.  She had the 1st understudy job locked up after Super Tuesday!!!!! 

by ProfRich on 05/27/2008 09:47:07 AM EST

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I started out without a preference.  I am disgusted by the Clintons now.  Sick, disgusting, traitors to our country.  They have shown themselves to be agents of corporate control and their egos have destroyed the respect me and everyone I know use to have and feel for them.  I didn't do this... Obama didn't do this.  They did it.   I am only sad that the democratic party obviously has just as many blind fools following blindly as the "Repugnant Party" does! Oh, and you poor sad little trolls...  wasting your worthless time on this forum... I can only hope you experience the endless waterboarding your leaders love to dream of and get others to carry out...may you reap all that you sow...

Do I sound angry?  I am...  The  only bright side to this sick human's words is she's just taken herself off of the VP list... I am so glad of this...

 

by vastman on 05/24/2008 02:56:08 AM EST


I listened to some HillHead on the Stephanie Miller Show talking about how she COULDN'T vote for Obama because of the "Obama People," and would vote for John McCain instead.

How frigging RIDICULOUS is that??? 

You have a problem with the "Obama People"?  Shut your damn TV set off to all the politico NOISE (and, unfortunately, to Cenk.)

The ONLY "Obama Person" you need to listen to is OBAMA!!!  His stand on the ISSUES is 100% in line with Hillary. John McCain's is 100% OPPOSED.

The very IDEA of you voting McCain or sitting on your hands and allowing McCain to win in November out of SPITE towards the "Obama People" is LUNACY. 

You KNOW IT.  Stop listening to the maddening Media Spin and go to BarackObama.com and read his real positions on the ISSUES and you will find his positions and yours are virtually IDENTICAL.

You talk about GROWING A PAIR???  Give up your devotion to Hillary and realise that Obama is a candidate that can not only WIN, but make it an OVERWHELMING LANDSLIDE, erasing the last 28 years of Conservative DOMINENCE of American Politics.  

by sunsawed on 05/24/2008 04:17:21 AM EST


As a devotee of the Rachel Maddow Show, I think Rachel has bent over backwards (tied herself into PRETZEL KNOTS, IMHO) to be AGNOSTIC in the Hillary/Obama race.

Her only position is that it HAS TO BE SETTLED before Denver or John McCain has a FREE RIDE to the White House, a position that any Democrat with some SENSE has to agree with. 

by sunsawed on 05/24/2008 04:30:22 AM EST


Maddow has definately not shown bias one way or the other.

by Chinese Democracy on 05/24/2008 07:01:48 AM EST

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I think HillHeads think just because she appears on "Countdown" while Keith is so OBVIOUSLY ProBama, that she must be too.  Guilt by association.

But if you listen to her show on AAR (which is STILL by far, the best Lib radio show on air, sorry Cenk, you're #2) she's clearly NOT proBama.

Indeed, she still buys into many of the Hillary Talking  Points about Obama being a potential "Deer in the Headlights" against the Republican attack Machine.  (I think Obama disproved that last week with his response to the Bush Israeli Knesset speech on "Appeasement," going full throttle against both Bush and John McCain.)

I think Obama was pulling punches against Clinton, not wanting to alienate her supporters.  (While HillBots were talking about the "Prius-driving, latte-sipping, Trust-fund babies" that don't live in the Unites States that Matter.) I think this Fall, he's going to make Gore and Kerry look like Madame Tussaud's exhibits.

Get ready Obama's COMING! 

by sunsawed on 05/25/2008 01:45:18 AM EST

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sunsawed this post especially, but also your previous one on the logic of Hillary supporters backing McCain is very astute.

In defense of Clinton supporters, I don't know any personally who thinks Hillary will be the nominee. The craziness we're seeing on tv may not be reflective of most Clinton supporters (Geraldine Ferraro notwithstanding--there's a subject for another thread by the way. Everyone I've asked about her assertion of an openly mysogenist campaign by Obama pulls a face that looks like they just bit into a very sour lemon).

Those Clinton supporters that aren't on board yet will find it hard to stay silent when they see Johnny McSame flapping his gums about the need to privatize Soc. Sec. and introduce "market-based" solutions to the health care crisis (transl: do absolutely nothing). And the smaller slice still that felt encouraged by Hillary to nurture their xenophobic and racist tendencies will either feel ashamed, or get past it, or vote republican as they likely would have regardless of who became the nominee.

Its a great mystery as to what Clinton is angling for. There is some evidence out there that she wants the vice presidency. Its difficult to believe that this is the way she's going about it. But then... its difficult to believe she really wanted to be president given the way she ran her entire campaign. 

by hazmat on 05/25/2008 11:26:47 PM EST

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"Its a great mystery as to what Clinton is angling for."

Stop and think. If Barack Obama wins the White House in 2008, Hillary Clinton will never be President. If Obama loses in 2008, Hillary is almost guaranteed the White House in 2012. All she needs to do is make sure that he doesn't win.

Clinton Inc. has the people who can make that a certainty. Carville, Begala, McAuliffe, Wolfson, Anne Lewis, Yucky Ickes, Dee Dee, Lanny, and the loathsome, vile, disgusting Sid Vicious Blumenthal will p robably all be working in the basement of the McCain Campaign headquarters.

I think Hillary is taking this thing all the way to Denver.

She is neck and neck with Obama in popular vote. 

Polls show Hillary trouncing McCain in the electoral vote, while Obama is losing to McCain in the electoral vote.

FL and MI are yet to be resolved.

Obama O'Bomb-Shells are exploding every week.

God help me. Win or lose, this is the best political campaign I've ever witnessed.

(You have to be a little amoral to understand the Clintons.)

by KenTX on 05/25/2008 11:49:33 PM EST

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you just "convinced" me of something everyone already knows, that Hillary will say or do anything to become president, include bury this year's nominee. Congratulations! I'm heartened that this keen republican insight came a lot cheaper this time. Last time it cost 60 million taxpayer boullion to tell us that (we're shocked! shocked!) Bill Clinton is a filanderer.

by hazmat on 05/26/2008 12:06:31 AM EST

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Hillary's comment about Robert Kennedy was not just a little slip of the tounge. I don't think it's defensible for her to say it.  Incidents like this raise the old issue about who can say what, when, where and in what context. If somebody had asked me why is Hillary staying in the race, part of my answer would be "She is probably thinking that if something happens to him late in the game she would be the one left to take the nomination."  By "something happens" I could mean illness, major scandal, or death.  As an obscure commentator, I think it's perfectly OK for me to say that. But Hillary is the main player in this campaign, speaking on the public record, and she was very specific in citing this historical incident.  It's tasteless and dangerous.

David

by yturks on 05/24/2008 10:03:34 AM EST


“Hillary's comment about Robert Kennedy was not just a little slip of the tongue.”
Now there’s an understatement! How far would Hillary be willing to go in order to achieve power?
whoops! 

As Hillary always says, “whatever it takes!”
poor vince

It’s very difficult to discharge a revolver with your thumb.
fort marcy

“It's tasteless and dangerous.”
No kidding. Where were you during the 1990s? I don’t recall any wailing and gnashing of teeth from you guys regarding the actions of the Clintons back then.

I predict if Obama selects Hillary as VP, you guys will instantly forgive and forget everything. After all, you're liberals.

by KenTX on 05/24/2008 11:36:47 AM EST

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Your ad hominem attacks get funnier with each new iteration! ahahaha...sigh...

Cynicism is poison to reform and pumps life into the status quo.

by prezalex on 05/24/2008 03:09:52 PM EST

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Most people take a lot longer to catch on.

by KenTX on 05/24/2008 04:06:23 PM EST

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I hope not  whatever it is ..it makes you sound like a crazed moron. Maybe you should see a Dr.

by Chinese Democracy on 05/24/2008 10:30:33 PM EST

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I feel certain that if something were to happen to Obama, Hillary would give a long and very touching and glowing eulogy that would bring a tear to the eye.  Heck, I bet she has it written up and ready to go.  I can hear pieces of it in my head:

"I will take up the flag of our fallen hero.  I will go forward with it as he would have, bearing the standard that shined so fiercely, but so tragically briefly over his noble head...."

(Sniff, sniff.  Polite but brief claps from Obama supporters, uproarious applause from Clinton supporters.)

by bfaul on 05/24/2008 10:21:46 AM EST


Our apology should at least sound like we know we made a mistake.   S he did not bother to mention Senator Obama or seem to feel any distress about what she infered.   As far as I am concerned I have not heard an apology to Senator Obama and his family yet.  Senator Clinton knew she should apologize but could not make the words I am sorry come out of her mouth.

by jdenham on 05/24/2008 10:58:49 AM EST


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