Here Comes The Megabubble! (This is the most import blog ever written, honest!)

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As if we don't have enough to worry about, according to some economists, there is a "mega bubble" awaiting the new Administration. Megabubble? Yep, megabubble, an economy based on statistical deception. To be honest I never heard of a "megebubble " until I read an article about economics statistics of all things. As it turns out, cooking the books isn't the exclusive domain of Enron or Martha Stuarts neighbors.

The lies accumulate and compound one on top of the another ... get passed on ... keep mounting ... forcing successive new generations of politicians to drink the same poisonous Kool-Aid ... keep the lies alive ... going strong ... till everyone believes the lies are really "the truth," or at least an inconvenient truth ... as the hoax becomes the conventional wisdom ... not only by Washington, Wall Street, Corporate America and the media, but also 300 million Main Street Americans. Paul B Ferrell

 

 

"Do not arouse the wrath of the Great and Powerful Oz! Come back tomorrow!"

Dorothy: "Who are you?"

Dr. Marvel stuttering: "Well, I - I - I am the Great and Powerful, Wizard of Oz."

"You are? I don't believe you!"

He replies: "No, it's true. There's no other Wizard except me."

"Oh, you're a very bad man!" says Dorothy.

"Oh, no, my dear. I'm a very good man. I'm just a very bad Wizard."

Like Dr. Marvel, the Bush Administration used the illusion of the threat of “weapons of mass destruction” from Saddam Hussein to gain public support for the invasion of Iraq.  Not a day went by (during the build up to the war) without a metaphorical mushroom cloud springing up somewhere ( usually on Fox News).

Likewise, the use of deceptive statistics, the WMD of politics, is being used in much the same way to convince the American public that, in the words of Dr Paul B Ferrel, of the Wall Street Jounal " the U.S. economy is stronger, fairer, more productive, more dominant, and ultimately, richer with opportunity than it really is." That is also the premise of Kevin Phillips new book: "Bad Money: Reckless Finance, Failed Politics & the Crisis of American Capitalism."

Kevin Phillips, as you may recall , was a key member of the Nixon administration and an old school conservative. He is the, some say creator, some say advocate, of Nixon’s much maligned Southern Strategy.  Dissatisfied with subsequent Republicans since Nixon and policies of, in his words, “radical conservatives”, Phillips has been telling “truth to power” on television, radio and in print since the Reagan administration.

The Dirty Little Secret 

In the book, Phillips reveals the dirty little secret of the Beltway, namely, that “statistical corruption” has tainted the measures that shape the public perception and government policy in regard to the economy. In particular, three key numbers; the CPI, GDP and Unemployment Statistics are routinely manipulated by those in power to prove that the policies and politics of the current occupant of the White House are best for the American economy.

Phillips shows that using our  current economic state as and example, the actual “ inflation rate is as high as 7% or even 10%; unemployment near 9% as high as 12. Economic growth since the recession of 2001 has been mediocre, despite the surge in wealth and incomes of the super rich largely due to tax cuts, we are now falling back into recession. " 

Phillips analyses the beltway statistical shell game and frequent cover-ups since  and concludes that while there was no "grand conspiracy” the reasons for the deceptions are much less ominous, just “accumulating opportunisms” or simply put , plain old greed. 

Statistical Corruption as a Political Tool

Examples of statistical corruption abound in the daily barrage of upbeat rhetoric from the White House. Each economic policy speech, press release and talking point fed to conservative media outlets are full of fallacious economic claims “backed” by the corrupt statistical data. Not surprisingly, the “data” is used by the Republicans to paint a rosy economic picture of a less than rosy economic reality.

In a speech to the Economic Club of New York in March, President Bush proudly proclaimed that “Americans can be confident about our economic growth.” He went on to give the usual litany of benchmarks of his success, low inflation, low unemployment and good economic growth. For those reasons Bush said he was optimistic because the economy’s “foundation is solid” as measured by employment, wages, productivity, exports and amazingly, the federal deficit.  

As noted by a correspondent from the Wall Street Journal in attendance “He was wrong on every count. On some, he has been wrong for quite a while.” The New York Times went further: “Mr. Bush went on to paint a false picture of the economy. He dismissed virtually every proposal Congress is working on to alleviate the mortgage crisis, sticking to his administration’s inadequate ideas."

Why would he do that?  With the plethora of serious, serious problems, stagnant credit markets, billions in impending mortgage defaults, bank solvency issues , a collapsing dollar one would think that a little truth telling and soul searching would be in order. No, rather Bush said that a major source of uncertainty today is " not liquidity, not oil prices and not the mortgage crisis, no… in his view it is whether his tax cuts, scheduled to expire in 2010, would be extended ."

Tweaking Unemployment Statistics

In the same speech Mr. Bush also talked approvingly of the recent unemployment rate of 4.8 percent. In his words “A low rate is good news because it indicates a robust job market”.  Well, not really.

Actual unemployment numbers are much, much higher. Unemployment numbers have, since the Kennedy years,shed this group or that group to shore up the overall number.  Discouraged workers, part time workers and  seasonal workers were all placed in special categories or just not counted in the unemployment statistics.

In this arena, President Nixon led the way when ordered the Labor Dept to publish only the lowest of the seasonally adjusted unemployment rate estimates and the overall un-adjusted rate.

Taking a cue from Nixon, Reagan did it another way, he  simply categorized military personnel as "employed" instead of "outside the labor force" as they had been since the government began tracking unemployment, instantly adding 2 million workers to the labor force.

 "Mr. Bush boasted about 52 consecutive months of job growth during his presidency. What matters is the magnitude of growth, not ticks on a calendar. The economic expansion under Mr. Bush — which it is safe to assume is now over — produced job growth of 4.2 percent. That is the worst performance over a business cycle since the government started keeping track in 1945." NYT

Phillips elaborates in a recent Harper's Magazine article: Numbers Racket: Why the economy is worse than we know: "Based on the criteria in place just a quarter century ago, today's U.S. unemployment rate is somewhere between 9% and 12%;

 "The unemployment rate ticked down last month because hundreds of thousands of people dropped out of the work force altogether. Worse, long-term unemployment, of six months or more, hit 17.5 percent. We’d expect that in the depths of a recession. It is unprecedented at the onset of one." NYT


Tweaking The Inflation Measurement

“Core inflation remains low, and that’s good news. " GW Bush May 2008

 The current measure for inflation in use today was adopted during the Nixon Administration, who separated "core" inflation rate from the headline making CPI inflation rate. So what exactly is core inflation? Core inflation is defined by the Federal Reserve as a measure of aggregate price growth and excludes food and energy. Analysis by Fed economists indicates that the core inflation measure is no better than a moving average of the Consumer Price Index as a predictor of inflation.

As noted, core inflation conveniently excludes food and energy prices, that at the time Nixon directed the change, were skyrocketing due to the OPEC Oil Embargo.  This was done with the rationale that energy will impact the core rate in a broader measure giving a " truer picture "of inflation. Obviously then, the concept of core inflation is used mostly for political purposes,  politicians can , using April 2008 numbers as an example, rightly claim “core inflation is low” while gasoline prices are up more than 30% from a year ago and food prices have risen at least 5% since January.

The Politics of the Inflation Measurement

The politics of the inflation measurement were ably demonstrated by the ineptitude of the Carter Administration. Carter’s economists often went by the CPI as a truer measure of inflation, and the Federal Reserve Chairman Volker adjusted interest rates accordingly.

Carter was bludgeoned over the head with the numbers,( for telling the truth), and the resultant interest rates during the 1980 presidential campaign by Ronald Reagan. After being elected Reagan promptly used the core inflation rate as the yardstick for his administration. No fool was he, Mr. Reagan.

Reagan further cooked the books by substituted housing prices with "owner equivalent rent" in calculation of CPI, masking high housing prices and further improving his administrations statistical performance on both counts. Throw a few tax cuts on the fire, a newly robust employment statistic and a artificially high growth rate (explained below) and suddenly, the myth of the Reagan economic “miracle” was born.

 
Economic Growth Measurements and Inflation

 The impact of the CPI / Core Inflation debate is explained by Michel Pento, Senior Market Strategist for Delta Global Advisors : “One of the reasons it is imperative to accurately calculate inflation is that you need a true reading on price increases in order to get a true reading on economic growth. If we used an accurate inflation rate to deflate nominal G.D.P. it would have certainly settled the argument last fall as to whether or not the economy is in recession.”

 Many economists have long maintained that the actual inflation rate is as high as 7% or even as high as 10%. Compare that to the bits of spin Washington routinely feeds the press and public about the Bush economic record: Unemployment 5%, inflation 2% and long-term growth at 3%-4% (actually more like 1%).

Yet Washington continues to claim, here for the month of April , that "inflation was fairly mild last month."

Why Inflation Is Important

Why inflation is critically important measurement is further explained by Mr Pento:   “Most investors are bound by official government data, I thought it would be worthwhile to use the Consumer Price Index to derive real G.D.P. rather than the chain type price index -- which is an even more tortured inflation measurement than the C.P.I.” According to Pento, the C.P.I. is a “better estimate of inflation than the chain type price index because the chain type index allows substitution between categories, while the C.P.I. is limited to substitution within a specific category.”  Note the word substitution.

Consider the absolutely incredible ( meaning in this case unbelievable) April 2008 on numbers. They were the result of a seasonal adjustment that removed much of the impact of the increased in gasoline prices.  Think about that for a minute, the inflation report did not include the effects gasoline prices! 

In addition, the report claimed that consumer's energy costs were unchanged while the actual price of crude oil rose about 12.5% and gas prices rose 11% during the same period in question! Try “seasonally adjusting” the income you report to the IRS and see what happens.

800 Pound Gorillas and T Bills

Inflation is the proverbial 800 pound gorilla, the number most feared by Washington. It impacts interest rates, the measurement of economic growth and ultimately the unemployment rate. Therefore it is politically advantageous to understate inflation. Not only does it inflate growth statistics, as Phillips points out " it keeps interest rates artificially low and Wall Street and the rich benefit from perpetuating the perception of stability.  They (the rich)  get richer hiding under 'statistical camouflage, particularly in the area of inflation."

 "Were mainstream interest rates to jump into the 7% to 9% range -- which could happen if inflation were to spur new concern -- both Washington and Wall Street could be walking on quicksand," warns Phillips. "The make-believe economy of the past decades, with its asset bubbles, massive borrowing, and rampant data distortion, would be in serious jeopardy."

The bogus inflation numbers "hangs over our heads like a guillotine," says Phillips. If Washington reported the true inflation rate "it would send interest rates climbing and thereby would endanger the viability of the massive buildup of public and private debt that props up the American Economy."

Who Let This Happen?

We, meaning the public, have some culpability here; we let ourselves be conned.

But why? In life and finance no one wants to look mortality in the face. Phillips explains, "The rising cost of pensions, benefits, and interest payments -- all indexed or related to inflation -- could join the cost of financial bailouts to overwhelm the federal budget." It’s losing scenario, "as inflation and interest rates have been kept artificially suppressed, the United States has been indentured to its volatile financial sector, with its predilection for leverage and risky buccaneering."

The Real Winners

So who really "profits from the low-growth U.S. economy hidden under statistical camouflage?" Phillips asks rhetorically. Certainly not the masses, not you and me. "Might it be Washington politicos and affluent elite, anxious to mislead voters, coddle the financial markets, and tamp down expensive cost-of-living increases for wages and pensions?" ask Phillips.  Yes, Kevin I think that  is correct.

Historians have warned us that “great nations, at the peak of their economic power, become arrogant and wage great world wars at great cost, wasting vast resources, taking on huge debt, and ultimately burning themselves out."

Its not to late.

"The money power preys upon the nation in times of peace and conspires against it in times of adversity. It is more despotic than monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, and more selfish than bureaucracy." Abraham Lincoln

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  1. Paul  B. Farrel WSJ Market Watch  Megabubble waiting for new president in 2009
  2. Micheal Pento , Getting Real With GDP Huffington Post
  3. Kevin Phillips Harper's Magazine , February 2008: Numbers Racket: Why the economy is worse than we know.
  4. Kevin Phillips:Bad Money: Reckless Finance, Failed Politics & the Crisis of American Capitalism
  5. New York Bank of The Federal Reserve : CPI and Core Inflation
  6. Wikipedia
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The economic situation today reminds me in many ways that of the mid-70's - to the point of ruination, just in time for a Democrat to come along and take the blame.

Still better than putting in another Republican, don't get me wrong...

by MedfordTim on 05/26/2008 06:42:23 PM EST


this election is a sucker prize

by alphasigmookie on 05/27/2008 12:03:23 AM EST

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"Please don't throw me in that briar patch Brer' Fox!"

The GOP can't win every election. If you have to lose one, this is the one to lose.

Republicans have controlled the agenda since Jan 1995. We can afford to give up control for a couple of years.

Then we come roaring back with a vengence.

by KenTX on 05/27/2008 12:17:37 AM EST

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dies on the vine like comunism because it isnt sustainable.

2 down 1 to go
tick tock

by Chinese Democracy on 05/27/2008 05:58:03 AM EST

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"Then we come roaring back with a vengence"  ... to fuck it all up once again.

by chrisandyasemin on 05/27/2008 10:19:40 AM EST

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It's more like 1929. In that scenario, the libs put the consevatives away for a long, long time. It'll depend on how the next president handles this.

by Cogitor on 05/27/2008 05:14:11 AM EST

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First, I went down to Rockport on the Texas Coast (Ken knows it) for the weekend and was internet inaccesible.  I have read 250+ TYT posts this morning and my eyes hurt.

Did enjoy the Rodney King style group beatdown of Ken though.

I suspect 2008 is more 1932 than 1976.  Things are falling apart but it is a chance for the Dems to get back in control and enjoy a long period of control. 

I have been studying the tides of political history lately and promise a much longer and more involved discussion later but basically a period of Conservativism ended with the meltdown of 1929.  1930 saw a large shift to the liberal viewpoint which was emphatically reinforced in 1932.  The country was essentially politically liberal until Nixon brought racism and resentment of the growing government to the White House in 1968.  I know Ike was pres in that span but he was centrist at best.  1968 to 2008 have been a period of Conservatism with Carter winning only because the debacle of Watergate and Clinton winning by being centrist.  The country moved back to the left in 2006 and will ratify that with President Obama in 2008.

If I am right, and this is a shift in the larger tide, Obama should be able to weather the economic storm.

Oh, and Carter was on his way to winning in 1980.  Reagan was doing poorly, bad economy and all, until Carter's repeated attempts to free the hostages failed.

by ProfRich on 05/27/2008 11:24:39 AM EST

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It is economic liberalism which needs to change dramatically. Noting the limitations of posting, I find your breakdown true enough but incomplete in some areas I think need consideration.

It's the things missing which need to be noticed. The ascension of liberal economics of the 30's coincided with social liberalism of the workplace. Unions were gaining their power, corporations were more limited in their growth capabilities - things which will not be duplicated today.

We are undergoing more of a social liberalism reawakening of sorts in which the nation as a community working toward common goals will be supplanting the current conservative "me first!" death grip of the last 25 years than was true in the 20's - in fact, that part of the equation may be a mirror image. The KKK was mainstream and held it's greatest mass appeal during that time. The Scopes trial was the Roe v Wade of the day, the Roaring Twenties themselves were a cultural backlash at the conservatism of the 1900's. As a big picture, it's been one long series of two steps forward, one back for a very long time as Humans grow up.

I would challenge you to do more research in the reading of the economic meltdown of the late 20's. You may find that Conservatism accomplis hed exactly what it set out to do. Those parallels are even scarier - as Cenk would say, follow the money (who was making it) in the early 30's and see how most of the rich got much richer, and then WW2 came along to solidify their economic positions for decades to come.

One thing most people fail to realize is that there is no single history of the United States. More layers than an onion...

Good post. Thanks for making me think.

by MedfordTim on 05/27/2008 07:02:08 PM EST

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If these things are true, there are only two things you can do if you hope to survive. Well, three, actually, although the last one basicly sucks balls, notwithstanding it's popularity among the trolls:

1. Trade in your American flag lapel pins for Chinese. Welcome in your Chinese masters as the financial owners of the now diminished US they are. Hey, at least they have efficient disaster response.

2. Move to Europe. It's like Canada, but with more sun, and real curency. Only minus are all the Europeans who own everything not owned by the Chinese you were fleeing from.

3. Close your eyes, put your hands over your ears, and just shout 'LALALA, can't hear you! Democrats fault! Terrorism! Immigrants! Drill in ANWAR! LALALA, can't hear you!'

by Cogitor on 05/26/2008 06:42:41 PM EST


Here's a video of Kevin Phillips laying it out in spoken language...

by Cogitor on 05/26/2008 07:47:19 PM EST

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Hasn't there been a candidate talking about this all along, he's been going on and on about fiscal conservatism, the value of free trade, and a sound currency. Oh yeah, that's right, no one is supposed to mention Ron Paul 'cause he's a lunatic racist biggot. You're right, I'm the asshole, why'd I pay attention to that guy who said the weakness of the economy and useless imperial wars were inextricatably linked before Hillary Clinton would even commit to withdrawing troops from Iraq. Oh yeah, he voted against the war when she voted for it, another "inconvinient truth" I'm not supposed to mention. For cryin' out loud, please go read something about the Austrian school of economics, jumpin' gemini christmas!

by gxttotten on 05/27/2008 04:10:59 AM EST


no one is supposed to mention Ron Paul 'cause he's a lunatic racist biggot...

what about that doesn't phase you..

why would you want to go back to the gold standard don't get that.. didn't work in 1929 didn't work for the robber barons. why would you want to try it again...lol


get rid of the IRS... sounds like a repug wet dream..(ewwww i know im sorry)..

why would we want to put in a more extreme version of the same nightmare driving us off this giant cliff....

by Bungle on 05/27/2008 05:39:30 AM EST

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Libertarianism is anarchy for capitalists.

by MRFred on 05/27/2008 02:09:12 PM EST

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Devaluing the dollar and then excluding the cost of energy and food from all inflation numbers is working out great for us. Fixing the value of our currency to a commodity like precious metals is completely insane! Who would want the dollar they earn today to still be worth a dollar next year?

by gxttotten on 05/28/2008 04:28:42 AM EST

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It is good for money lenders and terrbile for money borrowers.  Which are you?

This was what the entire political debate of the late 19th century was all about.  The money borrowers won and we have been better off because of it.  This is a non-issue today.

Also wouldn't a return to the gold standard essentially surrender all control over the economy according to the monetarists?  I am not a monetarists, but conservatives tend to be so this seems to contradict everything conservative economists now believe. 

by ProfRich on 05/28/2008 10:36:06 AM EST

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What have I been saying this whole time? Neoliberalism has destroyed America's economy. Bush is the anti-FDR, his presidency has been for the super-rich, he even admitted that in that gala where he said they were his real constituency.  China today is the world's largest industrial power, America is the world's greatest debtor nation, Russia is re-arming in a serious way, Iraq is going to the shit-hole, Iran is going to be a major regional power. Indeed, what is so amazing about the Bush years is how he has enabled a massive transfer of wealth to the rest of the world undermining PNAC. The inherent contradiction within the administrations policies are amazing, military supremacy, economic destruction. America is a joke of its former self, and you can tell that countries like Venezuela or Nicaragua aren't even afraid of American power, openly flouting the US. 


The whole stats issue is very true, the numbers are manipulated to create an image of a successful America, when all of us can clearly see that the US is no where near normal or successful. The massive transfer of wealth to the top 20-1% of the population is a crime, justified on "trickle-down economics" which NEVER works. I agree with ProfRich that this could be more like 1932 or 1976. 


As long as people foolishly believe that the economy is run like a machine, or is ruled by "supply-demand" they will not see how the economy really works. Its a economy run by CLASSES...class warfare, yes, can't you see it?  Bush is the most obvious class warrior ever, and if you can't see that, you deserve a depression!

Blog: http://perspectivos.blogspo t.com/

by Nick86 on 05/27/2008 12:12:04 PM EST


all economies are build on classes, some just hide it better than others.  At least ours allows anyone to reach the top.  Have a better idea?

by alphasigmookie on 05/27/2008 02:24:11 PM EST

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that the social mobility in the US is no longer a reality. For instance more and more blacks are falling out of the middle class, and with the redistribution of wealth to the rich there are more poor Americans than ever before and this is only increases. Do I have a better system? Sure, Western Europe (Sweden, Denmark, etc.), Canada. A more fair, just, and growing society than the retrograde disaster you call America. If you think "anyone" can reach the top, you'll believe anything! 

Blog: http://perspectivos.blogspo t.com/

by Nick86 on 05/27/2008 04:37:55 PM EST

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No, only those smart or pretty or athletic enough to find a way.  Dumb, ugly, lazy people have been poor in every society since the beginning of time. 

by alphasigmookie on 05/28/2008 12:10:49 AM EST

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nice way to be racist without saying the word black, good job! You are truly intellectually parasitic, and secondly my point is correct because you have not even attempted to rebutt it with any logical response. Go away Jim Crow.

Blog: http://perspectivos.blogspo t.com/

by Nick86 on 05/28/2008 12:28:23 AM EST

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a Dumb, ugly, lazy man is not only fabulously wealthy but president of the United Sates!

by ProfRich on 05/28/2008 12:36:10 AM EST

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yeah but he didn't have to move up, just ride daddy's coat tails.  I will admit that downward mobility is maybe not quite as common as it should be, but wealth still only lasts so long in the hands of morons (just look at many lottery winners and true hollywood story episodes). 

by alphasigmookie on 05/28/2008 01:03:50 AM EST

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The priniple of social mobility is not that those genetically gifted (the smart, the beautiful, the atlethic) can move up. It's that everyone can if they are prepared to work for it, and this is not true today. The minimum wages and social security are too weak to alow anyone to prosper soley by working hard and honestly. That's why the middle class is slowly disapearing.

You can't move up at 7$ per hour, regardless of how hard you work. It's not even enough to survive, if you get some bad breaks.

by Cogitor on 05/28/2008 05:33:12 PM EST

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The real myth is that you could ever move up with only hard work.  It is the way the smart got the dumb to help make them rich.  Tallent, intelligence and skill on the other hand always have and always will lead to upward mobility.

by alphasigmookie on 05/29/2008 01:45:12 AM EST

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Upward mobility is not equal to exploitation. If that's the world you want, I suggest you move back to the pre 1860 South. There, all the Superior White Men moved up thanks to the dumb labour of the Negroes.

You lack morals. 

by Cogitor on 05/29/2008 04:32:15 PM EST

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Its not what I want, its how it is.  In every society and economy in history there has been an ownership class and a working class.  The only differences are how those roles are distributed and who can hold them.  In our society we are all allowed to move between these roles.  You can start a business and become an owner, many people who do this end up poor, a few become very rich.  You can also save money and buy stocks, or ownership shares of buisnesses.  This is another good way to become wealthy but again the stock market rewards the smart/skillful and punishes the stupid or the ignorant.  Our economy even has a mechanism for allowing the dumb to get rich, it is called the lottery or Vegas. 

Those that have not yet reached the ownership class are forced to find a job and work for someone else.  Even then the rewards are typically based upon skills and intelligence.  I find that people that frequently complain about income distribution generally lack at least one or both of these qualities. 

by alphasigmookie on 05/29/2008 11:47:33 PM EST

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Was there an ownership class and a labor class in nomadic Native American societies?

by ProfRich on 05/30/2008 01:33:15 AM EST

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if you would like to go back to living like a nomadic native american be my guest.  Notice however that they got their ass kicked by societies that did have an ownership class.  History seems to have proven their system culturally inferior from a social darwinist perspective. 

by alphasigmookie on 06/02/2008 05:41:22 PM EST

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First, I was just making an observation not a value judgement.

Second, I am not a social Darwinist. 

by ProfRich on 06/02/2008 09:05:07 PM EST

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Stock market traders are parasites of the lowest kind. They leech of market fluctuations at the expense of loyal shareholders, workers and the general public.

And the society you profess is not a stable one. If you had smarts, regardles of how you thought about the system in question, you'd do your utmost best to eliminate the moral defecit, if only to save your own hide. People in a welfare-state do not revolt. People in a predatory, anarcho-libertarian chaos, however, will follow the first demagogue that comes along. The outcome will have a bad payof for the "smart" parasites.

by Cogitor on 05/30/2008 07:53:23 PM EST

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I think you're right and that the bubble is about to burst.  One thing is certain, with fuel prices this high, inflation will follow.  There is no getting around it.  It will rise well beyond the point where it can be disguised.  I think mid-summer will see consumer prices reacting to energy prices.  Retailers are loathe to raise prices because of the dropoff in sales it causes but they will eventually have to.  I figured about 2 or 3 months of lag time for consumer prices to catch up to the rise in energy.  I'll bet inflation will reach well into the double digits by the end of the summer.  I also expect that GDP growth will slow to a stop or go into retrograde, possibly in the 2nd quarter, but certainly in the 3rd.  The US economy cannot grow at the same time that people decrease their fossil fuel consumption.   Well, not unless the economy becomes much more based on alternative energy anyway.

by bfaul on 05/27/2008 02:45:43 PM EST


Internet retail.

I am wondering how interent sales will do in the latest Republican Energy Crisis. Could be the beginning of a fundemental shift of how we do business?

by MRFred on 05/27/2008 02:51:03 PM EST

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keep an eye on virtual communites.  Increased cost of phycisal travel will greatly increase the demand for more and better means to communicate and interact virtually.  We could soon see the first good instance of "cyberspace" as envisioned by 1980's sci-fi.  second life sucks, but don't think they aren't constantly working on newer and better online worlds. 

by alphasigmookie on 05/28/2008 12:16:27 AM EST

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up significantly this Christmas season.  I personally think the trend will continue.

by Chinese Democracy on 05/28/2008 07:52:27 AM EST

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Internet sales rely on UPS, FEDEX, and the USPS.  I figure the answer to that is that it depends on what effect higher fuel prices have on these key players.  At some point will shipping prices make it worthwile to buy locally again?

On the other hand since local retailers have most of their goods shipped to them they will have to adjust prices as well, so maybe it evens out.  I suppose we'll find out in the next few months. 

by bfaul on 05/28/2008 09:48:36 AM EST

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most life cycle assessments of ecommerce show that in most cases it is an energy saver.  with fedex, ups or mail you have one truck that services an entire area.  They also have fairly sophisticated routing algorithms to minimize time and fuel consumption.  The result is dozens to hundreds of trips eliminated per UPS truck.  Even if you assume that most people chain trips (run multiple errands on the same trip) it is still usually a net savings. 

by alphasigmookie on 05/28/2008 10:25:52 AM EST

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Thanks for the info

by bfaul on 05/28/2008 12:03:26 PM EST

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If it ain't broke don't fix it.

If we owe the rest of the world so much money, let's figure they own a lot of our debt, let's just talk gov't debt right now, we're trying to get them to buy our debt in order to prop up the dollar. There is now a premium in a post 9-11 world on non-military spending, and that is that it really costs twice as much because we have to figure in the debt that we're paying and the interest first. But without our money being tied into the rest of the world, would we still be the world leader, would our currency still be the most sought after, would we still have a robust world economy? All of these things are obviously in doubt, but to try and fix them by, let's just imagine a perfect world in which we actually could pay off our debt and pay down the deficit at the same time so that we not only had no debt but actually had a working surplus in our budget and didn't have to use it to pay off the national debt, then that means the rest of the world no longer holds all our currency in the form of notes or debt. Now I don't think say China is going to unload all their public and private US equity overnight, even if they decide to move some of it, so I really don't think this is a worry, not in the sense that we shouldn't be worried about the debt but that in the sense it isn't a reality, couldn't happen that way or probably won't so we shouldn't worry about that which won't happen or can't or we can't control even if it were to.

My main point is that as tenuous as things are trying to fix them could make them worse. As long as everyone is drinking the Kool Aid, then those arbitrary rules apply. All laws and rules are on some level arbitrary, minus those which are absolute, and economics while it rests on certain rock solid foundational absolute principles is more and more in the abstract rather arbitrary. Not arbitrary in the sense of random, but rather arbitrary in the way, say you want to get from one point in Manhattan to another, is there just one way to go? No, of course not, arbitrary not in the sense that if you hop on the cross bronx and start heading uptown to the boogie down your going in the right direction, we're not talking crackheads getting lost, but rather that there are often at least two if not more ways of doing something and one might be as well as another.

Thus if everyone is drinking the Kool Aid, everyone is on the same page, those rules no matter how arbitrary still apply, and to change them overnight to an entirely new system without realizing the real world effect, might just be lunacy, even more so than the lunacy that got us here.

I don't see any mention of productivity changes. Certainly since the 80's or even the 40's to 70's as you also talk about, there have been productivity gains, upgrading and efficiency increases, no? But further than that, if you take for granted we've moved to a global economy with outsourcing in which energy is much more vital and in which manufacturing is much less important to our domestic economy, there are going to be winners and losers. In the long run we really can't save Ford, we just have to accept this, and by spinning off their debt management and separating their management from their workers it will in some small way make the impact a bit less, but this is all over the economy and it has been going on for years and it won't stop now.

I would prefer to pay off big chunks of the national debt without cutting services and without raising taxes, mainly by cutting military spending and scrapping programs like SDI and the remainder of our nuclear programs. But we live in the age of global terrorism in which the billions we used to spend on nukes is now going to high tech computer security programs and the like. Bully! For me, scrap the big brother FBI and CIA and NSA type programs like DARPA's Total Information Awareness and save the pennies for a rainy day. Or rather pay off all those German, Chinese and Arabian lenders. Get it back to reasonable levels in which paying off the debt doesn't mean scrapping programs in the yearly budget.

But it might be too late for that. Forget about the military spending for a moment which I'm sure a lot of people have very personal and political feelings about and think about the world effect of paying off our debt, not just balancing the budget to a surplus but paying off or paying down the national debt, what effect would that have on the world's economy, do we even know?

It is safe to say if you follow trends that without a major adjustment in course, righting the ship as it were, that we are at some point going to paying so much in debt, interest on interest on interest that it will compound to the point where we will eventually have to scrap non-military spending. Then the entitlements which are somewhat outside the regular budget. Then military spending. It calls into question what a gov't is, is it the brick and mortar buildings, is it the federal gov't or just a collection of states, is it the tanks and humvees overseas or is it something less and yet something more, the ideals, the ideas the words and what they stand for?

by tiggerporn on 05/28/2008 07:01:37 PM EST


And if those words and ideals just become words and ideals with no tie to reality, are they really just empty and broken promises?

by tiggerporn on 05/28/2008 07:15:05 PM EST

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Lets see if this works

by MRFred on 06/11/2008 03:59:01 PM EST


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