It's official, Hillary supporters are sore losers

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Florida and Michigan were given to Hillary on a sensible compromise and the reaction from Hillary's protesters that were bussed there by her...

boos and chants of "Denver".

Way to unite the party, Hill.

Then some asshole (Harold Ickes) who voted happily to deny Michigan ANY delegates last year, bitched about the "hijacking" of Democracy because they didn't just hand all the delegates to Hillary.  Then said he would take it to the credential committee for Hillary, and that she had given him permission.  What a dick.

Yeah, Obama supporters are the problem.

Now, Lord Foul, come tell us how its our fault.
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It's official, Hillary supporters are sore losers | 40 comments (40 topical, 0 hidden)
I'm so angry at the Hillary campaign (none / 0)

I've never been this mad at politics in my life.  Ickes is just regurgitating the Hillary positions.  They aren't satisfied with having 65% of the Michigan delegates that they unfairly won, they want to be able to steal all 100% of the Michigan delegation.  Does that seem like something would fairly reflect the MI electorate? 

 

The thing that really disgusts me the most is how intellectually dishonest the Clinton supporters are about everything.  If they were on the other side, they would be arguing just as vehemently for the exact opposite positions.  These people have no principles.   

by schmoab on 05/31/2008 07:09:48 PM EST

To be fair to Hillary supporters in general... (none / 0)
The Florida vote was unanimous and the Michigan vote was 19-8 despite a plurality of members being open Hillary backers.

by richardshort2001 on 05/31/2008 07:12:58 PM EST

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The Democrats just proved that they... (none / 0)
are just as crooked and corrupt as the Republicans. I applaud those who oppose the "compromise" made about Michigan, because those voters just got jacked -

Democracy is Dead in the Democratic Party - I hope you're happy with what has just happened... The rules Committee has just altered an election openly on television...

I have my tickets to Denver - I hope to see you there!!!

Fuck Unity!


CHICAGO '68, MEET DENVER 08!!!!

by bobo1 on 05/31/2008 07:19:46 PM EST

bobo for McCain '08 (none / 0)

by richardshort2001 on 05/31/2008 07:25:12 PM EST

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No... (none / 0)
Bobo1 will not support either of these openly corrupt political parties - I hope others saw what I just saw and decide that neither of these parties are worthy of our support of financial backing -

This meeting today was such a clear demonstration of the Death of Democracy as we used to know it - yeah, the Republicans probably started it, but these Democrats just drove the final stake through its heart...

None of these people are worthy of my vote - and they shall not receive it...

:(

by bobo1 on 05/31/2008 07:30:41 PM EST

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There's no one else going (none / 0)
Your support of a divided Democratic party IS a vote for McCain.

by richardshort2001 on 05/31/2008 07:32:22 PM EST

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So... (none / 0)
You believe that 30 folks overturning the votes of 600,000 voters in Michigan in an attempt to be as fair in recognizing the INTENT of those voters as possible without being psychic, whether you agree that the result it is fair or not.

To resolve this you are willing to allow a small group of people to overturn the votes of MILLIONS of people.

No, not at all hypocritical.

by richardshort2001 on 05/31/2008 07:36:18 PM EST

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insert (none / 0)
"is undemocratic" at the end of the first sentence.

by richardshort2001 on 05/31/2008 07:37:39 PM EST

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rshort--- (none / 0)
I  would have been satisfied for the 73-54 solution proposed for Michigan- thats how the PEOPLE in Michigan voted...

69-59 was them OPENLY altering the results of an election - I hope people paid attention!!!

by bobo1 on 05/31/2008 07:38:44 PM EST

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So your abandoning your country to the Republicans (none / 0)
over 4 delegates.

Speaks for itself.

by richardshort2001 on 05/31/2008 07:40:31 PM EST

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The Democrats abandoned Democracy (none / 0)
over 4 delegates. Lets remember who ran that meeting and made the decision...

I expect this behavior from Republicans - I expected better from democrats!



by bobo1 on 05/31/2008 07:45:22 PM EST

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So the old our candidate must win by (none / 0)
4 more delegates than he was going to win by conspiracy.

OK

by richardshort2001 on 05/31/2008 07:46:49 PM EST

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Thats not the point, rshort... (none / 0)
the point is that the Democratic Party altered the result of an election without the consent of the voters!!!

How can they award Obama any delegates when he voluntarily took his name off of the ballot? If you take your name off, how can you expect to get any votes?

Point is rshort, the Dems just demonstrated to the world that Democracy is dead - And the Revolution just got televised!!!!

by bobo1 on 05/31/2008 07:57:07 PM EST

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I'm having a hard time understanding your point (4.50 / 2)

What is with the "Obama voluntarily took his name off the ballot" line?  Are you so uninformed as to not know that Hillary also voluntarily pledged to take her name off the ballot as well before she dishonestly left it on. 

Second point: how on earth would it not be disinfranchising all the voters that stayed home and didn't vote for their candidate, be it Obama or Biden or whoever, to give everything to Hillary?  I must have not been paying attention in civics class if that is the definition of democracy.  

Third point: just stop it with the whole undermining the democratic process BS.  This is a PRIMARY, not an actual election.  This is private business between political parties and is not governed in any way by the Constitution.  If the Democratic party wanted to change their rules to say that the MVP of the Super Bowl would pick a name out of the Topeka phone book to be the nominee, it would be both legal and Constitutional.  

Bottom line, Obama beat Hillary fair and square.  You want to blame anybody, blame Hillary and her dirty kitchen sink.  If you are pissed about FL and MI, blame their state party leaders and the legislature from those states.   

by jawill11 on 06/01/2008 01:17:33 AM EST

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LOL (none / 0)
Ownnnnned! G'job!

by PresidentTyler on 06/01/2008 08:48:39 AM EST

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Is there something you missed? (none / 0)
Bobo is an uber conservative  Rush Limbaugh loving right wing extremist nut job. Nothing would please him more than keeping the Repugs in power.

by Chinese Democracy on 06/01/2008 07:07:16 PM EST

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No justice! No peace! (none / 0)
I am not advocating, nor will I participate in violence, but I am taking it to the streets.

If Ground Zero is Denver, then that's where I'll be the last week in August.

by KenTX on 05/31/2008 07:33:17 PM EST

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I'll be glad to finally meet you there... (none / 0)
I'll buy you a White Russian as we commiserate and watch the spectacle!!!!

BTW - did you see that Obama just happened to choose today to resign from Tritinty Church? Here's the link -

http://www.breitbart.com/ar ticle.php?id=D910TLRG0& show_article=1

So much for his steadfast support of the church where he was married and that baptised his children... excellent timing on his part, though - it will be lost and forgotten in the shuffle - but I wont forget!!!

:)

by bobo1 on 05/31/2008 07:36:33 PM EST

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Bad idea (none / 0)

You guys really think going to Denver is a good idea?  It's a rather liberal city, you know.  After a few hours of exposure, the two of you are going to look like Toht and Belloq at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark.

"It's beautiful!!!" .....splat. 

by OneHitKill on 06/01/2008 02:54:04 AM EST

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Like this? (none / 0)



:)

by bobo1 on 06/01/2008 03:01:31 AM EST

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melting heads (none / 0)
The scene looked like this.

by KenTX on 06/01/2008 06:15:04 PM EST

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you forgot you where using the (none / 0)
bobotx nic.. you look silly

by Chinese Democracy on 05/31/2008 10:49:42 PM EST

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Obama (none / 0)
Is only about 60 delegates from clinching the nomination, and superdelegates are under extreme pressure from the talking heads of the Democratic party to choose a nominee. I do not think that the super-delegates, if they didn't need anymore proof, that Hillary does not deserve the nomination. Her supporters acted like baboons, making a mockery of the proceedings and undermining the "rule of law" inside the Democratic party. On top of that, threatening to take this to the credentials committee AND even threatening Denver is repulsive. How can Hillary supporters claim to support democracy, when the Democratic party...in a democratic and fully transparent vote, rejected her optimal outcome. She, and as the thread starter said, Ickies voted in favour of barring the Mich./Flor. delegations and now want them fully recognized! How is that democratic? That's as bad as a North Korean election, retroactive democracy doesn't work.

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by Nick86 on 05/31/2008 07:27:41 PM EST

Not Democrats (none / 0)

I wonder how many of those bused-in Hillary protesters really are Democratic voters. This whole mess stinks of Republican dirty tricks, reminiscent of Florida 2000 election, with the hired "protestors".

I doubt that many real Democrats would be crazy enough to make a choice like, well, "sorry we don't have any ice cream left" -- " Uh, that's OK, I'll have cod liver oil instead". How different is it to say they'll vote for John McCain if Hillary Clinton isn't the Democratic candidate. It's the party, idiots!

Lots of women would like to have a viable woman as Democratic candidate--just not THAT woman. 

BOGUS!!

 

by zenie on 05/31/2008 07:42:59 PM EST

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They look insane (none / 0)
I just saw some live shots on CNN (MSNBC isn't covering it, instead they're airing one of their shitty prison shows they seem to have on 22 hours a day on weekends), and these Clinton supporters look insane.

Obviously they do NOT represent *all* Clinton supporters, so no one take it to mean that.

But yeah, they're so outraged and furious over the fact that there was some compromise as opposed to everything going in favor of their candidate of choice. Can they be any more unreasonable with their enraged chants about the convention and their "count every vote" shirts?

PS---Ok, can those who argued this whole time that the extended primary was "good" for the Dems PLEASE finally admit they were (horribly) wrong?

by ihavenobias on 05/31/2008 08:03:01 PM EST

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MSNBC (none / 0)
carried it through the voting.

by richardshort2001 on 05/31/2008 08:06:05 PM EST

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Did they carry this? (none / 0)
Your new favorite Hillary supporter.

by ihavenobias on 05/31/2008 08:11:14 PM EST

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I saw them take her out the door. (none / 0)
but not that. wow.

by richardshort2001 on 05/31/2008 08:12:56 PM EST

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And (none / 0)
There is this.

by ihavenobias on 05/31/2008 09:21:56 PM EST

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U may be (none / 0)
Surprised!

I believe in fairness to both sides and this decision sucks for both candidates and the voters.

What they should have done (months ago) was set up a primary between the 2 in both states. That way the you could get an honest count for both sides.

The DNC could have avoided this mess with the same ruling before their primaries (as the rules called for). Instead they issued the death penalty at the demand of one Donna Brazile.


I feel that both sides have been dishonest in an attempt to advocate for their chosen candidate. I never agreed with the idea of counting the votes "as is" in Mich, at the same time Obama wasn't "forced" to remove is name from the ballot. 

I wonder if the DNC decideded to fully seat both states as is, how would you or the rest of the Obama supporters would have reacted?

Are you surpised that she didn't quit? Does that make you angry or proud? If Gore or Kerry had shown the same gumption or moxie, would history be more kind to them?

Why was Obama against a revote? According to you guys he is unbeatable. According to you guys he could not be caught,  do the math right? Instead of taking the opportunity to bury her once and for all, he declined, he played it safe (even when he thought he had the momentum). You can take what you want from that.

This changes nothing really, it will still come down to the super-delegates. I know Obama supporters believe that Obama should get the nod simply because he has accumulated more pledged delegates.

I disagree with that accessment in its entirety. Personally the only delegates that should be counted for either candidate are the ones they have won period. The idea that super delegates would pledge themselves to any candidate prior to the convention, is a violation of their duty as a super-delegate. the SDs were created for one purpose and one purpose only. In the event that the primary season would end without a candidate meeting the required delegate count, the SD are supposed to pick the candidate best suited to win in November. You can't do that until all the votes are cast.

A compelling arguement can be made for both

by LORD FOUL on 05/31/2008 09:56:21 PM EST

I agree about the revote. (none / 0)
In that, ideally there should have been one, but someone had to pay for it.

This was covered in the meeting today.  Lawmakers from both states discussed how the revotes didn't happen due to internal state issues.

Did Obama make a mistake by taking his name off the ballot? Sure, but I think we agree he shouldn't be punished by it.

To be honest I was expecting Hillary to get more than she did, and it didn't bother me too much.  In fact, I would have prefered it as their would be no more excuses if she lost and no reason to divide the party.

While, I have given up on attacking Hillary for not quitting, I don't think gathering up fanatics and feeding them "Count every vote" talking points is the way to support the eventual nominee

by richardshort2001 on 05/31/2008 10:05:57 PM EST

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All that being said (none / 0)
today should have been about what we can do about it now, practically.

I think, considering that, I give them a 9.8 I would have given Obama less than they did in Michigan, but that was a difficult issue with no right answer.

by richardshort2001 on 05/31/2008 10:15:03 PM EST

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A few disagreements (none / 0)

The legal opinion from the party is that it was entirely within the rules to seat 0% as a punishment.  The 50% thing was a figment of the MSM and Camp HRC's imaginations. 

I don't think there should have been a revote.  It would have cost too much time and money for the state.  If I lived in that state, I'd be pissed at whoever came up with the bright idea to try and circumvent the system and move the date, but I would not want any extra of my money going for a revote.  This is not a real election, it's a nomination process.  So the state didn't get to participate.  So sad, they should have thought of that a year ago.  

Finally, Obama, along with Clinton and every other candidate except Kucinich agreed early on that they would abide by the DNC ruling by taking their names off the ballot.  Every single candidate stood by their word except Clinton.  The ballot has nothing to do with Obama and everything to do with Clinton.  She deserved none of those votes as a punishment to her for going against her party and her own pledge. 

by jawill11 on 06/01/2008 01:26:06 AM EST

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Is it my imagination... (none / 0)
or is this primary battle is shaping up to be nastier than the general election coming up? This election was a potent mix, pitting two historically maligned minorities against each other (women, blacks) in an epic battle too see who is more "maligned". The woman who was screaming about the inadequate black man, reminds me of an angry Maude! I think this battle confirms some of the stereotypes of liberals, outwardly liberal, inwardly bigoted.

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by Nick86 on 05/31/2008 11:54:32 PM EST

Well (none / 0)
It's your imagination.

by ihavenobias on 05/31/2008 11:59:17 PM EST

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That video... (none / 0)
proved this is worse than the general election! Going from supporting Hillary (D) to McCain (R) using GOP talking points! Wow...this is pathetic!

Blog: http://perspectivos.blogspo t.com/

by Nick86 on 06/01/2008 01:19:57 AM EST

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Nobody's Votes Were Disenfranchised (none / 0)
I'm surprised to see so many savvy Turks buying into the stolen votes nonsense. Until Saturday's DNC R&B committee meeting, NOT ONE primary voter in Michigan or Florida was represented by any Democratic delegates AT ALL. The delegates were awarded on Saturday, based upon the rules.
 
Ickes' indignant "highjacked" BS was the most blatant attempt at hackery I have ever witnessed in my long life. And I grew up around Kensington Philadelphia politics where my uncle and his buddies used to rough up guys if they didn't promise to go along with the old Democratic ward machine, so I promise I've seen a lot.
 
The Clintons are lucky they got the delegates that they did and I hope they and their loudmouthed audience members pissed off most of the remaining superdelegates with their boorishness.

by Verified1 on 06/01/2008 02:45:43 AM EST

Punnery is afoot (none / 0)

they and their loudmouthed audience members pissed off most of the remaining superdelegates with their boorishness.

No joke, Verified1.  2008 is the Year of the Mouse.  The Year of the Boor is over.

by OneHitKill on 06/01/2008 02:58:38 AM EST

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Denver With Ken AND Bobo (none / 1)
Looks like Ken and Bobo are meeting in Denver for the convention. I fear there's not enough oxygen at that altitude for both of them to be there at the same time.

by Verified1 on 06/01/2008 02:50:57 AM EST

Sure there is (none / 0)
Two nics, one set of lungs

by ProfRich on 06/01/2008 05:00:54 PM EST

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