Dave Koller at it again with Global Warming

Google Technorati del.icio.us digg reddit
I wrote this email to some friends, and now share it with my devoted fans in TYT world:

If you want to devote about 15-20 minutes (you need to concentrate) to educate yourselves about an issue that some think is the gravest danger facing humanity, read this article in the New York Review of Books.

http://www.nybooks.com/arti cles/21494

Otherwise, read my post here (well, read my post anyway).

The link is to a review by famous physicist Freeman Dyson of two books on Global Warming. One book is by an economist who for the sake of argument, accepts fully the mainstream scientific view that Global Warming is real, is happening, and is caused by humans (a view that I too accept).  He then plugs several possible approaches to reducing the effects of global warming into an economic model that balances the costs of carbon emissions (to the environment etc) against the costs of reducing greenhouse gases.  His model accounts for a zillion factors blah blah blah. He concludes that "severe" approaches advocated by Al Gore and others would generate net negative economic impact, while imposting a carbon tax would be slightly beneficial.

The second book is a compilation of talks at a recent conference. One highlight is from an MIT scientist, and one which I mentioned a few weeks ago. He thinks predictions of the harmful effects of global warming are grossly exaggerated because of the way the sensitivities are set on the models.  Now maybe a majority of climate scientists disagree, and think instead that the potential effects are alarming. Well, sometimes scientists are wrong. Now, if you say, "Sometimes scientists are wrong, and I think there is no global warming" you are a certified idiot from the Middle Ages.  If you say, "Sometimes the scientists are wrong and the potential effects of global warming are grossly exaggerated by computer models set to be extra sensitive" then you are a thinking person, and maybe even a scientist.

And here is the final chapter in the book review:

Unfortunately, some members of the environmental movement have also adopted as an article of faith the belief that global warming is the greatest threat to the ecology of our planet. That is one reason why the arguments about global warming have become bitter and passionate. Much of the public has come to believe that anyone who is skeptical about the dangers of global warming is an enemy of the environment. The skeptics now have the difficult task of convincing the public that the opposite is true. Many of the skeptics are passionate environmentalists. They are horrified to see the obsession with global warming distracting public attention from what they see as more serious and more immediate dangers to the planet, including problems of nuclear weaponry, environmental degradation, and social injustice. Whether they turn out to be right or wrong, their arguments on these issues deserve to be heard.

< Obama quits Trinity Church | I feel your hate - But Clinton for V.P. >
 Display:

...in saying that things may indeed not be as bad as some believe.  I can also accept that many of the solutions may be worse than the problem.  After all, even the science is somewhat theoretical, so the solutions are even more so.  I can also say that there are other pressing problems that require our attention.  The problem is this:

Most scientists who are studying climate change would acknowledge these things!  We don't really have a fight here.  It's more the outside advocacy groups (primarily non-scientists) who are taking the worst case scenario ONLY point of view.

The problems are quite unsettling.  If we all adopt the more moderate attitude, the deniers point to that and claim this proves there is NO problem.  These deniers of ANY problem are also part of the reason that people become so passionate over the issue.  Finally, unlike most of the other important issues, IF the "worst case" folks are right - we are near a tipping point.  So, at the very least, we should be giving climate change serious attention right NOW - and if it turns out to be not so bad, that's great for everyone. 

It's another day in paradise...

by happyhominid on 05/31/2008 11:11:07 PM EST


1)-One reason I like the idea of getting away from fossil fuels is that they create many more problems than just contributing to global warming. I'm thinking of increased rates of asthma and bronchitis, mercury in our fish and even increased rates of cancer. 

2)-I've read in a few places that the best way to combat global warming is to stop eating meat (basically), and that meat production (for various reasons) is the #1 contributor to increases in greenhouse gases and other environmental concerns.  I haven't looked into this issue enough to know if it's valid, animal rights propaganda or some combination of the two.  If anyone has more info on this, please share.

3)-There are two relatively easy and inexpensive ways we could (practically overnight) reduce greenhouse gas emission, demand for oil and traffic congestion:

A)-4 Day Work weeks (i.e. four 10 hour days rather than 5 8 hour days)

B)-Allow people who do computer work (i.e. the majority of office jobs these days) to work from home part or full time.

Many people are familiar with A but less so with B. Yes, I realize that option B is not practical for many people. But I also realize that option B IS incredibly practical for untold millions across America, and that allowing work from home always has many other benefits that are attractive to both employers and employees.

People who work from home generally use less sick days, are more productive and accurate (that extra sleep sure does help) and they cause less HR issues.

And obviously it's a huge benefit to the employee. In addition to more sleep, there is also enormous cost savings from not having to travel to the office, possibly eliminated need for daycare/babysitter and schedule flexibility. Hell, you can sleep an extra hour and use the other hour you'd normally spend commuting to go to the gym.

It's really a win-win situation. Not to mention reduced fossil fuel use, less traffic on the roads (which also means increased productivity) and less accidents and on and on.

In case you're wondering, I work for a progressive organization that is expanding their remote employee program. I've been primarily remote (go in 1-2 days a week only) for a little over a year now.

PS---Oh, and it's pathetic how few trains there are in most cities and states...just pathetic. Building our public transporation infrastructure is a too often overlooked no-brainer with numerous benefits. Which reminds me, how is it possible that the entire southwestern United States isn't covered with solar panels providing limitless energy?

I know it's not quite that simple, but give me an f*ng break. Are you kidding me? The state government in these states (you know who you are) should be ashamed and embarrassed. As should the dopey citizens who oppose tax increases to help support this infrastructure.

by ihavenobias on 05/31/2008 11:27:23 PM EST


I'm an artist. Before I started working freelance, I worked for Conglomo Corp. Somehow we--the art department--talked "the boss" into going on a 4-day work week. Ours was special. It had a four-week rotating schedule. Everyone had to be in the office on Wednesdays. Days off rotated like this: first week Monday off, second week Tuesday off, third week Thursday off, fourth week Friday off, then it repeated.

Yes, that's right.  Every fourth week we each had a four-day weekend. It worked out very well. We got all our work done, and didn't even mind that it cut down on our overtime. Long weekends beat overtime pay (sometimes).

Try it yourself, just don't emphsize the long weekend part, only the reduced need for overtime due to increased productivity. 

by zenie on 06/02/2008 10:31:41 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Obviously the members of the art department had different days off, on a staggered schedule, so that there weren't any days when the department was empty. One person started the schedule on Monday, the next on Tuesday, next on Thursday, etc.

by zenie on 06/02/2008 10:34:35 AM EST

[ Parent ]

The savings in gas and utilities would be dramatic.

There are four day a week high schools.  Kids seem to like them and the districts don't have to turn the lights and AC on Fridays or run bus routes.  And of course all the parents and teachers don't have to drive in.  This would be a simple measure that could reduce our footprint, save money and make the peoples happy. 

by ProfRich on 06/02/2008 10:45:30 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Think of all the shitty office jobs that would be less shitty because of it. Even call center work doesn't necessarily have to be done in a call center, although I admit that is a little more complicated.

It's a no-brainer. Put it together with a 4 day work week and some more trains and I'm telling you, it's a panacea*







*No, it's not really a panacea, but it's pretty damn good and we're not talking about it enough.

by ihavenobias on 06/02/2008 12:16:42 PM EST

[ Parent ]

As basically a call center person.

Now we do some online stuff at night for pretty good money in the study in our PJs while the kids are watching TV.
My brother is an IBM exec (well, technically he is one promotion from officially being an "exec" but he is a fairly high up) and he only goes in when absolutely neccessary.  Maybe once a week.  Otherwise he works from home.  I can tell when things are slow because he shows up on XBox Live.

But seriously, the savings in gas and child care (not to mention wardrobe), eating lunch out etc. have to be significant (not that me needs it).

by ProfRich on 06/02/2008 01:30:00 PM EST

[ Parent ]
And it's a way for employers to attract and retain higher quality employees without having to pay more.  In fact, most people are willing to work for *less money* because they still come out ahead on transportation/child care savings.

Not to mention the fact that it SUCKS working Monday-Friday. How the hell is there time to do things like renewing a license or calling other businesses that are also all open at the same time during the week?

Having at least one weekday off is great in those cases, for shopping, running errands and paying bills, etc. Plus if you want to go to Six Flags/Barton Springs/Movie Theater or just about anywhere else that's normally disgustingly crowded on Saturday and Saturday, it's generally always better during the week.

by ihavenobias on 06/02/2008 01:46:27 PM EST

[ Parent ]

How is the "moving to Austin" discussion coming.  It was particularly yucky weatherwise while you were here, btw.

If you make it by July 17 you can come meet Cenk with me during Netroots (used to be yearly Cos). 

by ProfRich on 06/02/2008 02:36:21 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Austin is now our #1 choice for when we move (in 1.5-3 years, give or take).

And yes, there was a heat-wave when we came, so instead of the normal 85-86 highs it was 95-99. But it was also dry except for 5/22 when it started to get humid.

Honestly, maybe it's because we've had an abnormally cold and cloudy year in Chicago, but high 90's and dry (while very hot) wasn't that bad, especially with some shade.  I also wasn't demoralized by 95 and more humid, but I also liked it a lot less.

Now 100 (or 100+) and humid, I'm guessing that's another story but like I always say, I'd rather walk from my air conditioned house to my air car to to an air conditioned business than I would walk from my heated house to shovel the snow and scrape the ice off my car and pray the damn windows de-fog for the treacherous drive on icy, snowy roads with a gross gray sky with lifeless trees and no birds (talk about run-on sentences).

I know Spencer likes it cool, but man Spence, how can you argue against the brutality of waking up early on a freezing, dark winter morning and having to do that to get to work? It's incredibly depressing and a royal pain in the ass, not to mention dangerous.


And I think I mentioned this to you Rich, but we decided we have to live IN Austin, even though it means we'll get less for our money and may have to settle on a really small house or condo. Cheryl fell in love with Barton Springs (especially the off-leash dog part) and wants to live no more than 20 minutes from there.

Who knows how realistic that is, but at least we have a landmark to base our searches on.

PS---A lot of the roads are terrible down there, not in so far as condition, in so far as they are confusing.  Outside of the grid system there were far too many windy, poorly labeled roads IMO.

by ihavenobias on 06/02/2008 02:53:26 PM EST

[ Parent ]

Yeah, and Rosario Dawson is overrated, but Mandy Moore is hot.  Some people... 

I don't mind heat (believe me, I get my fair share of that here in CO too), but my apartment is a shithole with no central air, so I was really enjoying the winter (which was pretty mild this year).  I'd rather have a hard time waking up on a cold day, than have an impossible time sleeping on a sweltering night.

by Spencer on 06/02/2008 08:49:31 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Some people have good taste! ;)

I knew it! I knew you had some personal reason to be crazy about weather. Look, get some damn AC. Get a window unit from craigslist.

by ihavenobias on 06/02/2008 11:26:13 PM EST

[ Parent ]

I didn't mean that Rosario was...  Wait, I think I just got Fox News'd.

Couldn't I say the same to you about getting some warmer clothes or better heating.  Why can't you just let me live!?!

But you go on, leave you're midwestern paradise and move to Austin.  You, and Prof, and Jim Hightower can kick back and wax political while you listen to forty bands that all sound the same in your sweltering heat with your giant ass bugs.  I'll stay here with my crazy Christians in the snow.

by Spencer on 06/03/2008 12:28:10 AM EST

[ Parent ]

What did Austin ever do to you?

You might like it here Spencer.  We have one of the worlds great comic book stores. 

by ProfRich on 06/03/2008 02:17:34 AM EST

[ Parent ]

The heat is the only thing that would really bother me.  I guess I need to use that damn winky face more often.

Here in The Springs we have Mile High Comics within driving distance (as well as my smaller local places).  If you ask me, you can't get much better than that.

by Spencer on 06/03/2008 03:22:06 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Mile High Comics is probably the most well-known comic store (because of all the advertising in comics) but my brother lived in Denver and we went there and I promise it is about equal to my hometown store, Austin Books.  I was shocked by that.  I had thought Mile High must be so much better and I had apparently taken AB for granted for three decades or so.

by ProfRich on 06/03/2008 09:34:45 AM EST

[ Parent ]

I think that global warming has long gone beyond the stage where it is a "political" question.  Physics doesnt' care a fig about politics, it will do what it will do, and screw what we "believe".  There is great site where you can see climate scientists (the real thing) blog about it and comment on some of the things that the media has to say about it.  It can get a little technical but it's a great resource.  The blog is here.   

I think that the energy crisis will eventually eclipse and bury the issue of global warming completely.  Ultimately it may accomplish the same goal of reducing carbon emissions, although I think that concern for climate change will be lost in the scramble for control of dwindling energy resources.  People are eventually going to be too desperate to care much about the environment.  If it's going to get fixed, it's going to probably be because of economic desperation rather than environmental conscienciousness.  I have not seen the necessary determination among a substantial enough segment of the population to make me believe otherwise. 

It's a matter of motivation.  I think that the economy will get hit harder and bring on hardship much sooner than the effects of climate change will.  People will respond to those hardships in one fashion or another without giving much thought to what will happen further down the line.

by bfaul on 06/02/2008 06:47:47 PM EST


I agree completely.  The energy crisis is already here and will likely get worse over the next decade or two.  Global warming is 3,4,5 decades away as far as major consequences and window of oportunity.  It does however significantly complicate matters.  If we take global warming seriously then it constrains our avaliable responses to the energy crisis.  If we avert major pain from the energy crisis while ignoring global warming we may still be in a world of hurt down the road.  Good solutions to both problems look difficult to come by. 

The best answer may be to use everything we've got (including lots of coal and natural gas) now to maintain a reasonable level of energy avaliability through the decline of oil (next 2 decades or so) followed by major efforts towards sequestration, geoengineering, and adaption as the effects of climate change become more eminent. 

by alphasigmookie on 06/03/2008 03:14:13 AM EST

[ Parent ]
"The best answer may be to use everything we've got (including lots of coal and natural gas) now to maintain a reasonable level of energy avaliability through the decline of oil (next 2 decades or so)."

Regardless of whether or not the planet is running out of oil, this is indeed the best course of action. The primary objective is for the U.S. economy to flourish for the next 100 years, while the rest of the world goes straight to hell.

If there are oceans of oil yet to be discovered (KenTX's theory), then the desperate shortage and acute demand will spur global exploration, production, and development of new conservation technologies.

If we have reached Hubble Bubble Peak Oil, and production is in decline for the rest of history (Mookie's theory), then the desperate shortage and acute demand will spur development of alternative energy technologies.

Either way, America's goal should be to exploit our inherent advantages in coal and nuclear technologies to outlast our economic rivals and achieve global hegemony.
Thank God that neocons have been governing this country for decades. Had the Jimmy Carter imbeciles been in control, this fucking place would already look like goddam Bangladesh. (Oh me, I'm sorry. I hope I didn't bruise any delicate liberal sensibilities!) 

by KenTX on 06/03/2008 06:04:01 AM EST

[ Parent ]

"The primary objective is for the U.S. economy to flourish for the next 100 years, while the rest of the world goes straight to hell."

Read the sentence above.  The same person who wrote this believes that people in other countries "hate us for our freedoms". 

Now of course, this does not represent the "objectives" of the United States,  nor does it represent the objectives of a large segment of the population of the United States.  It does represent the beliefs of a certain segment of the US population, including (fewer and fewer) of our elected representatives.  Other countries understand this, and that is why we're so widely despised.  I think that the animousity toward us will subside once those in the US who think so tribally are flung to the side, as they are sure to be in the next election.  Because it is at the highest level it's ever been this will still leave us in considerable danger.  The damage is going to take a long time to fix. 

Thank God that neocons have been governing this country for decades.

Here is a five year chart of the exchange rate of the dollar:

Neocon dollar 

 

Here are oil prices since 1996:

neocon oil prices

Double digit inflation is coming.  If it's not here by the end of the summer I will be pleasantly surprised.  Just last week the Wall Street Journal had an article announcing that Dow Chemical was going up on chemical prices 20% across the board because of petroleum prices.  It always takes a bit of time, but high crude prices drive consumer prices like heat drives the volume of mercury.  There is no talking or arguing or pleading your way around it.  The hometown newspaper of the fool who made the above statements has a good article about it.

Let's just wait till November and see how the public rewards the neocons for their stewardship of the economy. 

by bfaul on 06/03/2008 02:23:10 PM EST

[ Parent ]

The best answer may be to use everything we've got (including lots of coal and natural gas) now to maintain a reasonable level of energy avaliability through the decline of oil.

This will happen, I think, whether it's the best answer or not.  The question is what kind of desperation will accompany the struggle to maintain a reasonable level of energy availability.  There is (was?) a window available to us where we must use the last abundant energy supplies to change our basic infrastructure and technology to adapt to renewable energy sources.  Because this transformation demands a huge consumption of energy, a huge outlay of money, and a relatively stable economy to achieve, it won't be practical after we've reached a certain level with respect to energy costs and availability.  I've begun to believe with growing certainty since last summer that the $1 trillion dollars we've now committed to Iraq, the huge amount of energy we burned up to first take down their infrastructure, then try to build it up and protect it, was the window of resources that should have been applied to renewable energy and infrastructure adjustments here.  I don't know where we'll find the resources to do that now that those resources have already been spent elsewhere.

One thing is for certain.  It's going to be much, much harder to do now.

by bfaul on 06/03/2008 02:47:10 PM EST

[ Parent ]
 Display: