I feel your hate - But Clinton for V.P.

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Suck it up and accept her.  It's all about beating McCain with Obama becoming President. 

Today's actions by the Rules and By-Laws Committee of the Democratic National Committee revealed several interesting things.  As Obama supporters, we should be thrilled that party insiders now realize the powerful wave a sentiment to get this thing over and in Obama's favor.  The net result of today is that Obama is ever so slightly further from the nomination (he now needs a mere 24 more delegates than he needed at the start of the day and Hillary is even more slightly closer to the nomination).  But the issue of Florida and Michigan are no longer an "issue" at all.  So all he has to do is get another 64 delegates total, and he is the nominee.  Period.  This is the "good news" to take from today.

The not-so-good news is that Hillary, her campaign team, and (of course) her 20 million supporters are not happy with this.  I would say the RBC did the best they could with the situation, but I'm an Obama supporter, so maybe it is a bit disingenuous of me to find it satisfactory.  Certainly "they" don't.  What now?

Well, they can continue making problems all the way up to and including Denver.  The longer this goes on, the fewer energized Democrats we have doing the jobs that must be done to win in November.  And, they might NEVER start doing those jobs.  A certain percentage might take it a bit further and either sit out the election or, worse, vote for McCain.

There's no point debating here what a horrible idea this would be for women, concerned with women's issues and other parts of the progressive agenda.  They either will or they won't.  Right now, and looking forward, it could go towards the negative quite easily.

Many articles have been written by people who, understandably, can no longer stomach the Clinton's, arguing that she adds nothing to the ticket and brings only baggage.  What new part of the country would Obama suddenly be stronger in?  What would a White House be like with Hillary sitting in on everything?  How much "fun" would it be to have Bill there as well?

These so-called problems are largely irrelevant.  We grown used to seeing a powerful Vice Presidency in the form of Dick Cheney.  But that's entirely up to the discretion of the President and, in most administrations through history, the Veep sits around with little or nothing to do and is mainly of importance only should anything happen to the President.  As Vice Presidential spouse, Bill will have no special access that Obama doesn't provide for him.  He is even more irrelevant than the Veep.  Essentially, once elected, Obama is free to treat both of them in ways he can't afford to treat them now.

But why have her on the ticket?  What does she bring to the table? 

Isn't it obvious?  She bring her 20 million highly energized supporters.  The same disgruntled people who might sit out the election (and certainly wouldn't be out canvassing for Obama) suddenly will be excitedly fighting for the first female Vice President.  They'll do as asked and they'll do it with enthusiasm and they most certainly will go to the polls in November - and not to vote for John McCain.

Obama's people need to end the rancor and do so long before Denver.  Wednesday morning would be a great time for him to contact her.  By next weekend, the national polls would show Obama/Clinton with 15-20 point lead over McCain - and he'd never recover.    

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But would she accept?  Accepting the VP nomination would assure that, short of Barack becoming inable to perform his duties, she will never be President. 

Maybe he is full of shit, but, just before they took the Michigan vote, Harold Ickes said Hillary gave him permission to appeal the decision, all the way to the convention if need be.  If that is true, what kind of a stratagy is that for anyone?  Unless she really is running for 2012.  I really hate saying that, but it seems more and more likely as time goes on.

by richardshort2001 on 05/31/2008 11:06:04 PM EST


OF COOOOOURRSE!!! What "principles" would stop her? she doesn't have any!!

Besides it would give her the inside track to get the WH in '16. 

by hazmat on 05/31/2008 11:21:25 PM EST

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We already fought this battle here.

But I'll refresh my thoughts on it:

Hillary has insanely high negative ratings, the highest of anyone running for president for either party if I remember correctly.

And she IS very polarizing. Maybe that started off only as a talking point, but at this point it's quite clear that it's true.  And yes, many republicans (the ones who are *at best* lukewarm on McCain) WILL turn out in droves to deny any kind of Clinton presence in the White house.

Finally, she *does* cheapen his change message, very much so. Sure, he'll have to work with plenty of status quo once elected, but he doesn't need to have the status quo shoved up his ass on the ticket.

PS---The best scenario for everyone involved is for Obama to offer the VP slot knowing that Hillary will deny it. That way her bitter supporters can relax a bit and concede that it's time for them to fall in line and support our future Dem president, at which point Obama can go about selecting a better VP choice to smooth out his negatives (i.e. old, southern white guy with military/foreign policy experience). 

The End.

by ihavenobias on 05/31/2008 11:10:31 PM EST


I almost added that I'm not insisting that this is the only way to go and maybe you could give her something else that would make her happy.  but I don't know what that IS, and she and her people are far from happy tonight and going forward.

 I think you overestimate her negative effects.  While the right don't like her, I think her pandering to the right in this very Primary season has actually made them look at her slightly differently.  In any case, it's much harder to get revved up about stopping a Hillary Vice Presidency than it would have been had she been the nominee.  And my main point is, forget all the people who hate Hillary and focus on the ones who'd go to the stake for her.

It's another day in paradise...

by happyhominid on 05/31/2008 11:18:57 PM EST

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Hillary would reneg on any private arrangement to turn down the offer.

by hazmat on 05/31/2008 11:22:58 PM EST

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it's the cheapening of his fresh "hope and change" message.

It would be much, much easier to accept if Hillary had played the role of Huckabee, i.e. stayed in the race after it was effectively over but not at the expense of the real eventual nominee.  Lots of smiles for Obama and sneers for McCain.

THAT could've worked, but she said "no deal" and went for the million dollars. IMO she deserves a big whammy and no big bucks, but I don't know, why would she want the VP?

She'll be too damn old and tired to run 8 years from now. Put her on the supreme court instead (where she'll be impervious to special interest money and the perceived need to be hawkish and "tough").

by ihavenobias on 05/31/2008 11:31:56 PM EST

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None of the upper-crust Dems I have heard on the TeeVee lately seem to think that he will choose her, or should I say, give in to her and her husband's demands for the VP slot. I'd be very surprised if we ended up with an Obama Clinton ticket for many of the reasons already mentioned in this thread. Plus I suspect Ickes' committee speech may have pissed off enough DNC bigwigs that he may have snuffed out the last hope of a VP slot for her.
 
Most importantly, Obama's a long-range strategist and I cannot imagine him seeing a future of easy governance with her and Bill nipping at his heels. The patient tortoise won the race, but that slow steady nature isn't stupid.

by Verified1 on 06/01/2008 02:24:24 AM EST


If you told me in January that Hillary being on the ballot in Michigan would matter, I would have told you that you're a crackhead.
I guess people were right when they said that she kept her name on for a reason.

by Randomambusher on 06/01/2008 02:56:09 AM EST


It still doesn't matter

by ProfRich on 06/01/2008 05:01:37 PM EST

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Whose hating? Hillary is the Winnebago in the fast lane. I many flip'em off for being so damned inconsiderate when I pass, but that hardly qualifies as hate.

What ever it takes to save the Republic, so be it. 

by MRFred on 06/01/2008 03:02:41 PM EST


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