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Get the dirt off your shoulders. Sure to send Hillary supporters into fits of vomitude. A new Barack video. Check it out.

Update [2008-5-6 12:31:52 by hazmat]: This is an old old video, but I hadn't seen it before and its pretty funny. Check out (dunh dunh dunh...)

RON PAUL GIRL 

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...to add a little context.

It's another day in paradise...

by happyhominid on 05/06/2008 12:00:46 AM EST

That Obama has secured the Jay Z gangster rap project hood demographic - I hope Hillary doesnt steal it from him... I think He'll be OK

This video represents everything that is wrong with the Obama outlook and campaign - you treat him like a rock star Hip Hop mogul as you turn off millions of semi conservative Democrats who dont want a reality show like that Chris Rock movie where he becomes President - its like when fucking frat boy college students take over the world - yeah lot of them are smart, but they dont know what the fuck to do when the shit hits the fan - 
 
I hope you get what you want - im going to my bunker count my ammo and rations - its gonna be a long fucking 4 years either way...

You guys are in for a rude awakening in November when the White people have had enough of this shit...

:(

by bobo1 on 05/06/2008 12:36:31 AM EST

Im going to my bunker count my ammo and rations..

White people have had enough of this shit

Now there are a couple of phrases worth remembering.

When the uprising begins in November we can all look back and thank JayZ for staring the race war.

Just think, the Aryan Nation types have been trying to do this for years...now with a single video we're heading for the bunkers counting our ammo and rations.

 



by MRFred on 05/06/2008 01:24:12 AM EST

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One doesnt have to be KKK/Aryan Nation to have these feelings about our culture and politics taken over by other groups (such as minorities, immigrants etc). If you lived in the real world (Not South Florida), you would know that there are a lot of DEMOCRATS who feel this way (albeit most of them are Clinton supporters). We wont even mention the other 50% who are Conservatives...

If anything, I suppose you can call me a Nativist - kinda like Pat Buchanan...

I dont care for Obama, sure,  but if he gets elected so be it - I just dont like the youth/hip hop/ black hispanic culture rammed down my throat - Dont get me started about my feelings about so called HOPE...

And Im really tired of Liberals who scream and cry racist when somebody speaks ill of Obama... That shit gets old - you can quote me directly on that, Fred...

Where do you think a lot of Hillary support comes from, especially in the upper midwest? - Its not their difference on issues!!! Its this feeling/fear of Obama and his minions...

Honestly Fred, its not Obama himself that bothers me - its everyone he surrounds himself with and his rabid followers who actually believe that change is going to come - and I really dont like Mrs. - talk about disingenuous and contrived...

There are a lot more people who feel like me than there are that feel like you ...
I dont need stats or numbers to back it - I LIVE IT!!!

There isnt going to be some outbreak of violence if Obama gets elected - dont be stupid - It'll be after we feel the effects long after he's run out of Washington...

:)

by bobo1 on 05/06/2008 01:53:37 AM EST

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If you lived in the real world (Not South Florida)

Another amazing statement. Last time I checked people in South Florida live, grow old and die, have children , work, laugh ,cry...all the things humans do in the real world. Why they even vote and wear flag pins! Imagine that.

We are out of Obama territory buddy, now we are at the crux of the matter are we not? The difference between South Florida and the so called real world your so fond of is that ,for the most part , we have learned how to deal with people who are different. You haven't.

And I'm really tired of Liberals who scream and cry racist when somebody speaks ill of Obama... That shit gets old - you can quote me directly on that, Fred...

I personally don't care if your a racist or not. Only you know that.  But please, help me understand this, you stated , clearly, unequivocally:

White people have had enough of this shit ( refering to the JayZ video, hiphop, rap...whatever)

and 

One doesnt have to be KKK/Aryan Nation to have these feelings about our culture and politics taken over by other groups (such as minorities, immigrants etc)

and you take offense when you think someone is suggesting your a racist? How do you suppose anyone would get that idea? This isn't the first time you've made comments like that. Wow,  I even quoted you directly.

There are a lot more people who feel like me than there are that feel like you ... I dont need stats or numbers to back it - I LIVE IT!!!

I  seriously doubt if you know how I feel.  I also seriously doubt that there are "a lot more people who feel like you.However,in fairness, if you mean afraid, then you may be right.

If and I use the term loosly,your "living it", you may want to change your lifestyle. The world is changing, get on board and help shape it or get run over...your choice.

by MRFred on 05/06/2008 03:00:39 AM EST

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Are shared by millions of DEMOCRATS. You might not like it, but these kind of Democrats could easily become McCain Democrats. And it could actually get worse if Obama wins. I know its counterintuitive, and we should expect racial harmony to improve, but it could get worse.

by KenTX on 05/06/2008 03:51:48 AM EST

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Earth to Ken, Earth to Ken :

We are out of Obama territory buddy, now we are at the crux of the matter are we not? MrFred

I'm sure your so very concerned about racial harmony. Its touching really. 

When Richard Nixon welcomed every segregationist, racist and white power whacko to the Republican party in 1968 with his "Southern Strategy" he did it for racial harmony to improve. Tricky Dick even had a little buzz word for it "Moral Majority."

But John McCain and the REPUBLICANS in 2008 would never dream of benefiting from racial fears. They would never do that...right? No of course not . Thats why Republicans using Wright in 24 hour loops to generate racial harmony.

So what to do about racial harmony?

Hey I know, we could give a racial harmony tax credit to go along with that ".50 a gallon" federal tax holiday you were so excited about.

 

by MRFred on 05/06/2008 10:04:16 AM EST

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McCain will preach racial harmony. Its the 527s that will do the dirty work.

by KenTX on 05/06/2008 11:09:14 AM EST

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The fact that you are not only not outraged by McCain running on race (whether he hides behind surrogates or not) but you seem to revel in it.

You believe it is good to stoke the fires of racism to ensure your tax cut and that makes you truly a piece of shit.

You acquiescence to rape makes you an abomination. 

by ProfRich on 05/06/2008 12:53:25 PM EST

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"Your acquiescence to rape makes you an abomination." 

I've been advocating for years to have Bill Clinton convicted on charges of rape. While rape is no longer a capital offense in most states, there have been castrations in special cases, and I think he would qualify.

I'm wondering why Rich is not concerned about charges of rape? Why is he so sympathetic? He posts many strange and questionable comments during school hours. Maybe this should be investigated by his school district? Hmmmm.

Hillary Clinton stood by her man and watched him rape and molest and abuse subordinates who worked "under him" in government jobs in Arkansas and Washington DC.

History shows that when Bill Clinton was raping women, and sexually harassing women, Hillary was helping him cover it up. (And you want to talk about KBR- Halliburton? You stupid punk!)

Hillary considers the office of the presidency as "payback" for all the years of humiliation and abuse.

by KenTX on 05/06/2008 01:57:11 PM EST

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See here is the difference.  I don't believe Juanita Bordrick was raped by bill Clinton.  I am supported in this belief by the vast majority of Americans, the US courts system and the most comprehensive investigation of a human being in history.  We all find these allegations baseless.  It is sad but true that sometimes rape and sex crimes charges are leveled for political reasons or personal gain.  After examining the evidence in the past and what you link here I have come to believe this.  If I am wrong and he did rape her, he should be punished, I agree.  But we have no way of knowing that beyond the investigation that has already occured.

Paula Jones case was so thin it didn't even make it to trial so what you are suggesting is that a man should be villified and castrated for being accused of rape.  There is no other way to frame this.  He was investigated (to a ridiculous extent) and found innocent.  should every man accused of rape be castrated?  That seems a bit dangerous, especially since I know for a fact you raped bobo.  Snip, snip.

As for Jamie Leigh Jones, all I am calling for is an investigation and these people held accountable by law if wrongdoing is found.  You are against that.  How do you justify this?  A man you admittedly hate is accused of rape, we spend years and millions of dollares investigating the allegation and they are found baseless but a girl is raped by a private contractor and no one should even breath word of it, much less investigate.  And you think the people who are accused are above the law anyway.

From this I must conclude that you don't really have a problem with rape, you have a problem with Bill Clinton, rape allegations are just a nice way to smear him.  

To sum up:

I don't believe Brodrick was raped.  I was ok with it being investigated.  Clinton was exonerated.

I think there is enough there to investigate KBR for this, and other, rapes.  I think the people responsible must be held to the law if it is found they violated it.

You are conivnced Brodrick was raped despite what all investigations and courts say.  Therefore Clinton should be castrated.

You don't seem to give a damn who KBR rapes and if they are accountable because the investigation and prosecutions of Clinton exonerated him so its ok for your guys to rape people.

Do I have that right?

Oh and that BBC article just says Fox reported through "unnamed sources" that blah blah blah.  Then it says everyone denies it.  That is not proof.  It just makes you look like an idiot.  If you are going to post an article about what some news agency says, post the original news agency (FOX), don't try to hide behind the BBC reporting Fox said it.  Pathetic.

Oh and making vague threats to my job when you are getting trounced and outed as pro-rape is just sad.  Take it like a man, Ken.  Maybe I should alert aithorities in and around Houston that a deranged, occasionaly hispanic, domestic engineer is careening around their streets using a Blackberry compulsively.  

Oh wait, I wouldn't do that.  I will just handle you her online. 

by ProfRich on 05/06/2008 02:47:58 PM EST

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But I have a few questions:

Do you believe that Jamie Leigh Jones and Juanita Broadderick are equally credible?

Do you think Bill Clinton was investigated to the degree that the KBR guys will be investigated?

Did Juanita Broadderick try to make money from the story? Did she write a book? (It would have been a guaranteed money maker. I would have purchased it.)

Do you think Jamie Leigh Jones will try to make money in a lawsuit?

Did the accuser of Kobe Bryant try to make money in a lawsuit?

by KenTX on 05/06/2008 03:04:52 PM EST

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Do you believe that Jamie Leigh Jones and Juanita Broadderick are equally credible?

I don't know.  I think Jamie's allegations shouldbe treated at least a fraction as seriously as Juanita's were by investigators.  It is my understanding Jones has actual evidence and witnesses who are willing to testify so I guess that makes her claims more credible.  Jones came out immediately.  While it is not unusual for rape victims to remian silent as they fear retribution and shame it seems strange to see the profile and possibility for retibution to grow so staggering and see the victim more willing to talk.  Maybe she was just trying to save us all.  But I digress, Juanita got here investigation.  Jamie deserves hers.  Why do you not feel Jamie deserves the same treatment?

Do you think Bill Clinton was investigated to the degree that the KBR guys will be investigated?

It is absolutely inconceivable the KBR guys will be investiage to the extent Clinton was.  No one will probably ever be again.


Did Juanita Broadderick try to make money from the story? Did she write a book? (It would have been a guaranteed money maker. I would have purchased it.)
 
I suppose she didn't write a book.  Don't really know.  But I do know Paula Jones profitted significantly from accusing Clinton.  Those of us old enough remember the nose job, makeover, wardrobe, stipends and general payola she got from the GOP at the time.  It was pretty repulsive.  I have always assumed Brodrick received similar compensation.
Also, Brodrick might have sued Clinton if authorities found her claims to be legitimate.  I assume she would have but she didn't really have any chance of winning so she didn't.  Do you really find it hard to imagine some of Scaife or someones money ended up in her pocket? 

Do you think Jamie Leigh Jones will try to make money in a lawsuit?
I hope she does.  The idea the US will set up a contract where investigations of rape can not even be investigated is criminal and should be remedied through tort.  I hope Dawn Leamon does too.  And Mary Beth Kineston.  Why should Brodrick and Jones get the benefit of civil suits and criminal investigation and these women be denied?  If a reasonable investigation ensues and all the witnesses and evidence are not enough to convict then I suppose the civil suits will go away too.
Oh, and does arguing that these girls might sue discredit thier claim?  So we can totally throw Paula Jones' claims out now right?

Did the accuser of Kobe Bryant try to make money in a lawsuit?
Yes.  So did Paula Jones.  Jones lost.  Clinton is innocent.
 
I have but two questions for you, Ken.
 
Should we investigate the alleged rapes of Jamie Leigh Jones, Dawn Leamon, Mary Beth Kineston and any other women who come forward?

If evidence of rape is found, should the accused face legal consequences?

Or do these principles only apply to people who accuse your  enemies of rape.  Remember, I have no problem giving Brodrick or Jones investigations and trials.  Its not my fault Clinton was found innocent.

by ProfRich on 05/06/2008 03:29:45 PM EST

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But he settled out of court with an enormous check on charges of sexual harassment.

Paula Jones didn't lose. She won $850,000.

I don’t blame him. He was caught red handed in criminal and predatory actions.

He was one of only two impeached presidents in American history.

by KenTX on 05/06/2008 03:50:21 PM EST

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But my points on the rape argument still stand.

Change the subject all you want but until you agree it is wrong for this administration to refuse investigations of rape charges and hold contractors above the law you are pro-rape.

Just to avoid obfuscation.

I support investigation of rape charges.

I support trials for people accused of rape.

I support punishment of those convicted of rape.

Where they stand on tax cuts doesn't impact those core principles. 

And doesn't Jones big payday make here a liar based on your insinuation a few posts before? 

by ProfRich on 05/06/2008 04:13:31 PM EST

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These posts are interesting and all but aren't we talking about castration of convicted rapists?
Bill Clinton is an accused rapist.  Are you supporting castration for accused rapists?  Why don't we castrate the KBR guys then?  I am lost.

by ProfRich on 05/06/2008 03:48:47 PM EST

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I advocate castration of convicted rapists only. Don't you?

by KenTX on 05/06/2008 03:55:13 PM EST

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McCain will preach racial harmony. Its the 527s that will do the dirty work.

 

Now there's a refreshing bit of candor. Your not even trying to spin the Republican Party as a party of equality like you normally do. So I guess hate is more lasting than dislike. Certainly more effective politically it appears:

The Egalitarian Republicans: 1960:or those millions of Americans who are still denied equality of rights and opportunity, I say there shall be the greatest progress in human rights since the days of Lincoln a hundred years ago. Acceptance speech by Richard M Nixon Lost

The Firm but Fair Republicans: 1964 This Administration (Johnson) has exploited interracial tensions by extravagant campaign promises, without fulfillment, playing on the just aspirations of the minority groups, encouraging disorderly and lawless elements, and ineffectually administering the laws.  1964 Republican Platform Lost

The Covertly Racist Republicans: 1968  "From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats. " Kevin Phillips senior strategist for Richard Nixon's 1968 campaign. Won

The Code Word Republicans :1980 : I believe in states’ rights. I believe that we’ve distorted the balance of our government by giving powers that were never intended in the Constitution to the federal establishment. ( This speech by Reagan " signalled launching of the Reagan Revolution, and reaffirming the Southern Strategy a coded promise to roll the clock back to the pre-civil rights days when blacks, minorities and women knew their place.") Won

We're not even pretending anymore Republicans  2008 McCain will preach racial harmony. Its the 527s that will do the dirty work.


 You will do anything for a tax cut, won't you...sad

by MRFred on 05/06/2008 01:17:20 PM EST

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They changed racism's name to Moral Majority in 1980 when they had to rebuild the coalition in the wake of Watergate and bring in the Jesus freaks.  So KKK=Silent Majority.   Silent Majority + Jesus freaks=Moral Majority.

Regardless they are really just voting blocks to prop up the pro-tax cut, pro-militray spending crowd since its hard to win election with "tax cuts for the rich and pointless death in foriegn lands for the poor!"  You need to add the "We love Jesus and hate the n-----s" to get to a majority.

To be fair though the GOP doesn't really mean it.  Yeah, they take away black people's votes (caging, ID law, Poll Tax, etc.) and they aren't going to do one damn thing to help them but they don't persecute the blacks like Jim Crow did.  And as for religion, they talk a big game and funnel billions in federal funds to church groups but abortion and gay marriage are still legal and Republicans won't stop sucking cock and banging hookers. 

by ProfRich on 05/06/2008 01:03:35 PM EST

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I bring this up with my republican family members a lot. Some of them are frothing-at-the-mouth pro-lifers. I ask them if they're not a tiny bit dissappointed that the best they could get with a supposedly pro-life president, a compliant and filibuster-proof democratic minority in the Senate, a large majority in the house, and a clear majority at the bench, was a partial-birth abortion bill. That's it? That's all they could do? They got us to spend 3 trillion dollars on Iraq, but they couldn't outlaw abortion? I thought overwhelming majorities were pro-life, weren't they?

The obvious conclusions to draw are that 1) abortion is the gift that must keep giving for republicans and/or 2) the american people don't want it to be repealed. What would have happened if dubya had crusaded for this issue like he did on privatization of social security?

by hazmat on 05/06/2008 01:16:17 PM EST

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Slient, moral...all the same. But yes it was. I get my meaningless Repug buzz phrases mixed up.

The difference is in 1968 Republicans were too polite to scream "nxxxxxer" . Hence the silent majority.

In the 80s and through today the Moral Majority do it in church.

by MRFred on 05/06/2008 01:27:15 PM EST

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hes at about the 5th grade math level

by Chinese Democracy on 05/06/2008 02:22:09 PM EST

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Look at this article from today’s New York Times!

(oopsie doopsie)

Here’s an interesting question. If we add up state taxes and federal taxes on gasoline, how much could drivers save on every fill-up if the taxes were eliminated? $7.00? $8.00? $9.00?

Oh wait a minute! I think I have the answer!

Sorry Fred. I guess that broken broomstick must feel uncomfortable.

Can you forgive me?

Are we still friends?

by KenTX on 05/06/2008 02:41:23 PM EST

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Normally I use a bat when I crack you over the head. No grip with a broomstick. Apparently using a broomstick is reserved for anal excursions favored by Duke Cunnigham and other Republican inmates.

But of course the original factually ch alleged post by you in a different thread ( hence your reply here where the thread is not readily available) was about the HRC FEDERAL tax holiday, repeating F E D E R A L

 

This Gas Tax Holiday proposal speaks volumes about the opponents.The average price that taxes add to the cost of gasoline is $0.50 per gallon. Eliminating this tax can mean $7.50 in your pocket everytime you fill up.

 Of course thats not true...to which I replied

It speaks volume about the so called TYT energy expert and his math skills....$7.50 every time I fill up...hummm lets see the Federal gas tax is 18 cents a gallon.

Wow the next time I cram 42 gallons of gas in my 10 gallon tank I can save $7.50 !!!!!

Of course the candidates have no control over state and local taxes...and you know it.

Then after I spanked you, again, your "correction"

 Federal and state governments are under pressure to cut the gas tax.

and you linked a Wikepedia article ,that said 

In the United States, the funds are often dedicated or hypothecated to transportation, or even roads, so that the fuel tax is considered by many a user fee.

 Oops. By the way you overlooked

 No, we are talking about letting the roads and bridges decay into dust, impacting the economy and killing more people for the sake of a tax cut.

In fairness I looked for a very Republican conservative opinion, what could be better than columist Andrew Stuttaford from The Nation Review Online 

He's ( Obama) is correct to say that the McCain/Clinton idea of a gas tax holiday is a bad idea, not least, I suspect, because it would probably have little impact on the price at the pump.

 

 

So it took you a day to find a table of taxes? Big fucking deal. The HRC/McSame proposal was a FEDERAL tax holiday. Please come back when you've got something, namely a clue and a calculator.

Your friend

MRFred 

 P.S. I hear ice is good for swelling.

by MRFred on 05/06/2008 10:13:30 PM EST

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how bobo makes it through an ep of youngturks with all them coloreds on there, and that hip hop and syrupy soul that Jayar puts on thar. Bobo is almost an implausible entity.

Bobo defend yourself. 

by hazmat on 05/06/2008 01:01:24 PM EST

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Just because I dont fall in with the Hip Hop Jay Z crowd does not mean I have a Klan suit hanging in my closet and attend regular "meetings" of the assorted Aryan Brotherhoods... Don't be stupid....

Some people on this site just like to label and call names of those who dont fall in line with their Kool Aid drinking minions - Its very easy to dispell ones opinions if you keep calling them a racist because they dont happen to like the black candidate... Its a lose lose situation for anyone who dissents (Why the Hell do you think the Obama supporters REALLY hate Clinton supporters?)
 
Obama's campaign and their supporters in the media and blogosphere have crafted this image of anyone who disagrees with Obama as having to be some sort of racist or at the very least those who dont agree must be crazy or a Republican - Its all very silly, really...

I started listening to TYT before the onset of ObamaMania because Cenk (and Ben and Jill) had similar backgrounds to my own - We are around the same age, Cenk had grown up Conservative but had found that their views no longer coincided with his own and was looking for a direction. I too am looking for a home politically - and I thought it could be as a Democrat, until this election came around - I now remember why I grew up conservative... The show and Cenk orgasms for Obama have almost driven me back to the Dark Side - Im not there yet, but I hope TYT returns to normal after the elcetion season...

There are a lot of us who cannot go back to being Republicans because of these terrible policies and losses in Iraq and Afghanistan (Not to mention the fact that the Republicans only represent the top 1% Super Rich in this nation), but we are not welcome by the Liberals because we dont follow their path of Environmentalism/Affirmativ e Action/Feminism/Anti Gun/ Pro Illegal Immigration stances. The parties have become so extreme, that people in the middle are left to wonder "What the Hell?" 

Where the Hell do I fit in politically? Probably not here, but I enjoy the banter -


So back to your question Hazmat - If you want to believe Im some Klan racist, you go ahead, but let me assure you that I am not. Im just a guy wondering what the Hell has happened to our country and who is suspicious of a Messiah that will come and "save us" from ourselves - Im not buying it, and I dont appreciate being labeled a racist because I wont vote for the Black Candidate...


Thanks...


:)

by bobo1 on 05/06/2008 01:22:44 PM EST

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I didn't call you racist or imply it. I was merely referencing the fact that thanks to anonymous internet posting we have no idea who you are. You said some things above that could be construed as racist, but I haven't commented, and don't feel the need to. I only asked because you sounded really disgusted by "hip-hop" culture, but as long as I've been listening ~2 yrs the show is oozing with it. I suspect that its really Obama and his supporters you can't stand, so it maybe it came out a little wrong. Thanks for telling me about what attracts you to the show, I really do find that interesting. Cenk has been especially partisan lately, although he always takes care to explore the opposition's point of view beyond the purely superficial, which is one of the reasons I think he is entertaining.

by hazmat on 05/06/2008 01:47:51 PM EST

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"And Im really tired of Liberals who scream and cry racist when somebody speaks ill of Obama... That shit gets old"  Well bobo, I'm sorry, but sometimes people get called racist because they say racist things.  Things like "One doesnt have to be KKK/Aryan Nation to have these feelings about our culture and politics taken over by other groups (such as minorities, immigrants etc)." or "I just dont like the youth/hip hop/ black hispanic culture rammed down my throat" or "You guys are in for a rude awakening in November when the White people have had enough of this shit..."  or "you treat him like a rock star Hip Hop mogul as you turn off millions of semi conservative Democrats who dont want a reality show like that Chris Rock movie where he becomes President" for example.

"There are a lot more people who feel like me than there are that feel like you ... I dont need stats or numbers to back it - I LIVE IT!!!"  You need to choose better friends.  Just because the majority of the people that you spend your time with are racist, doesn't mean everyone is.  The majority of the people I hang around with share my views, but I don't walk around claiming to have a mandate on every issue.

(I wish I had some sort of "you're a racist" emoticon, because it would be so fitting, but alas...) 

by Spencer on 05/06/2008 07:16:14 AM EST

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"And Im really tired of Liberals who scream and cry racist when somebody speaks ill of Obama..."

No one here has said you're racist, bobo, they just think you're full of crap.  So take heart. 

"I hope you get what you want - im going to my bunker count my ammo and rations"

I knew it!  I just fucking knew it! 

Thanks for sharing!

by bfaul on 05/06/2008 10:10:15 PM EST

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I kind of think he's a racist.

I'm not saying anything, just saying is all. 

by ProfRich on 05/06/2008 11:38:48 PM EST

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until his latest comments.

by Spencer on 05/07/2008 02:06:24 AM EST

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Pat Buchanan is a scumbag and racist with a dash of homophobia.

Grow up and support the party or walk away and take the blame of the ruin of this country with you. Cause youre a coward and a quitter.

by calturner on 05/07/2008 09:12:42 AM EST

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I think you're overstating your case though. I seriously doubt that millions of semi-conservative democrats are going to waste their time watching it.

by hazmat on 05/06/2008 01:47:45 AM EST

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Most people wont see the video - but the impression of Obama has been set and its not lookin good - videos and attitudes like this just reinforce the negativity that is felt by many centrist and poor white democrats...

Its not an overt thing - its very subtle but building quickly - this is what Clinton is counting on...

Thanks for your posting...

:)

by bobo1 on 05/06/2008 01:57:09 AM EST

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your "tidal wave is coming" argument. If Clinton was counting on this, her timing is way off. Do you really think the democratic convention is going to be overwhelmed by white-supremecists in August? That doesn't make any sense. The racist vote shows up reliably in every election, whether candidates are white or black. And they vote republican. They overlap significantly with the 19% dead-enders who still think Dick Cheney is a swell guy. They're  going to be a lot more comfortable with John McCain than either Hillary or Obama. So what?

by hazmat on 05/06/2008 03:20:28 AM EST

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The tidal wave is coming. Hubble and bobo and Lord Foul and KenTX live in red states. We all know lifelong Democrats who will vote for McCain before they'll vote for Obama. Where this becomes signficant is in important purple states like OH and PA. Notice how poorly Obama ran in these states.

by KenTX on 05/06/2008 08:10:47 AM EST

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Doesnt want Hillary to win is because the Clintons have beaten the conservatives in 8 straight elections. The conservatives have never beaten the Clintons. They have tried "knee-capping", they have thrown the "kitchen sink', they have tried "smear and fear"..... and yet the Clintons have prevailed in 8 straight elections.

He is a disciple  of Rush and  because of that is under the misguided impression that the country is so racist they wont vote for Obama. Despite the unprecedented record turnout at his speeches, record voter registration. The fact that Obama leads in delegates and popular vote would be an indication that race is not as important to Democrcats as it is to racist conservatives seems to have slipped past him. Obama is ahead of McCain despite the fact that he hasn't even taken him on yet.

He ignores polls that show that a vast majority of Americans oppose 4 more years of Bush policies in the form of McCain .

Wouldnt it be great if all conservatives where as stupid as him? Well most are right bobo?

When it comes down to McBush and an alternative. McBush is going to lose.

100 more years in Iraq
Dont think so

Caio
thanks for playing

by Chinese Democracy on 05/06/2008 10:40:25 AM EST

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we agree almost 100%. My friend Ken is very afraid of Clinton for just the reason you have given.

Obama's lead is a testimony to 2 things 1) the non-racist attitudes of Dems and 2) very positive media coverage (until recently).

Ken & Bobo are right about the race factor though. If the MSM had made Wright an issue in Iowa, I seriously doubt Obama would be in the lead now.
there is a big difference between "liberal" primary voters and voters in the general election.
Associating himself with Jay-Z is foolish because he is needlessly appealing to the young vote (he already has them) to the detriment of Older moderate voters (whom he doesn't)

This is one of the reasons I worry about Obama and his advisers. The Pubs are going to paint him as a radical black candidate, doing videos with Jay-Z only plays into that construct.

Nobody plays on the racial fears of white americans better than the Pubs. Obama just gave them more ammunition and they haven't even really gotte to Farrakan yet.

I ask my liberal friends to, for just one second, think like a Pub. How would you attack Obama? I know exactly what they are going to do. It is only going to get uglier. What you have to consider is how do these attacks play with moderate "white" swing voters. Who have bought into the racial bogeymen repeatedly over the last 3 decades.

by LORD FOUL on 05/06/2008 12:57:41 PM EST

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Hillary is a much bigger target than Barack, and she doesn't move.

Scary, liberal, shrill, shrewish, fish-wify, murderer, fem-bot, butch, lesbo, inexperienced, pushy. These are the terms that fox-news was pushing before Obama pulled ahead in the primary. I'm not making this up. Do I have to tell you the four letter words that show up in other venues? You're going to hear these things ad nauseum if she's nominated. She'll have to climb over that from the pile of shit she'll have made out of the democratic convention. Do google image search for hillary. Here's what you get:

 

That's just a taste of what you're going to get. And here's the fact you're overlooking. It didn't work against Bill because he's likeable. Hillary however is combative, and unprincipled. And now she's officially a flip-flopper, a congenital liar, an exaggerater and a race-baiter. She also appears desparate and drama-queenish. The left doesn't like her and the right never did. She has triangulated herself out of the race. Its over.

by hazmat on 05/06/2008 02:11:24 PM EST

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I would vote for either one of them. Hell I would vote for a shoe box if it keeps McBush out of the White House.

by Chinese Democracy on 05/06/2008 02:24:31 PM EST

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and Obama is no different.

and she has bigger balls

I hate to break it to you but the race isn't over.

you know for all the so-called hatred, she is still in the race. Obama has suffered at the hands of the MSM for 1 lousy month. Clinton has been getting hammered since last summer and she is still in the race.


and since you are so concerned about racism, where is your outrage that blacks are voting for Obama at a 95% clip. Oh, that's right, only white people who don't vote for Obama are racist. 

and by the way keep ALL of your pictures of hillary. I only need 1 of Obama.

I'm sure Kentx has it

by LORD FOUL on 05/06/2008 04:59:29 PM EST

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no outrage here. blacks and whites alike can vote for whomever they please for whatever reason. I think you missed the point of my post but that's okay. You're free to ignore it since its irrefutable. Did you see her interview with O'Reilly? If you call that ballsy, then you're just dumb. I'll give you points for your last statemt, though because it was, actually a little funny. Maybe Hubble can take lessons from you.

by hazmat on 05/06/2008 05:18:00 PM EST

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I'll take the points and voice my concerns.

You will find little difference between the 2 in the end.

If Obama ends up the nominee, I hope he wins. I have no false allusions however. He is a politician.

In my view this is a big gamble and an unnecessary one

by LORD FOUL on 05/07/2008 09:59:12 AM EST

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But you and I feel exactly the same way EXCEPT not only have I not drank the Obama Kool-Aid, I avoided the Hillary Kool-Aid too.

I never thought there was much difference.  I liked Edwards.  By the time he was done, Obama was pretty clearly (in my mind) on the way to the nomination.  So it was over for me. 

I find it obnoxious that Hillary folks insist the only reason anyone supports Obama is they think he is the messiah or they fear being called a racist if they don't.   A lot of people realize exactly who he is and chose him with eyes wide open and many of us, like me, ended up in his camp because by the time we got around to throwing our lot in with one of the last two he was extremely likely to win.

Trust me, over the last month+ there has been a lot more silly crap coming out of the Hillary camp than the Obama side.  This is only compunded by having to be told repeatedly Hillary was still competitive after the whole "Obama's campaign is a fairy tale" thing.

So, when can I look forward to her concession speech?  This week? Or do we have to wait for her to get her ass handed to her in Oregon? 

by ProfRich on 05/07/2008 11:26:39 AM EST

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sort of. I think Hillary is as fatally flawed as you think Obama is. Its a fair point of disagreement and suggests to me that both of us have a healthy respect for the opposition party (the republicans). Even in a down year they will post a formidable challenge, and the consequences of failure are unacceptable to both of us.

That's why I resolved to support either candidate (as you have) regardless of the outcome or the manner it was reached, long before last night. I didn't want to be in a position of asking Hillary supporters to join when it was in doubt what I would do if the shoe was on the other foot. Finally, I also agree with your statement that Obama is just a politician--its a point I myself have made numerous times on this forum. I hope you realize that this view that Obama supporters think the sun shines out of his ass is a cartoon that has been pedaled by the clinton campaign in their attempts to paint us as "impressionable". Part of my complaint against her has always been that instead of asking for our vote, she personally campaigned against us. Not even so much against her opponent. When I was still open to potentially voting for hillary, she helped push me over the edge. Why? It made no sense to me at all, since she was always going to have to ask for our support later.

Anyway, you probably won't see this post but if you do, I hope any of this makes sense to you.

by hazmat on 05/07/2008 03:10:05 PM EST

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This is a brilliant point

by ProfRich on 05/07/2008 07:13:59 PM EST

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I'm addicted to posting on this forum. I'm going to need medication. My children need their father back.

by hazmat on 05/07/2008 07:39:37 PM EST

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People on this forum are actually ::gasp:: smart (with some notable exceptions).  Places like this are few and far between on these here internets.  Enjoy it now, before they hit the big time and have the cadre of morons come and join in the fun.

And I love that Rich stroking your ego caused you to bang the gavel.  I reject and denounce your narcissism you elitist.  It was a good point though BTW.

by Spencer on 05/07/2008 08:24:56 PM EST

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good post and I concur.

by LORD FOUL on 05/08/2008 08:34:33 AM EST

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I have been trying to find someone to explain to me the math of how Hillary gets the nomination without massive candidate switching among the out superDs or pledged delegates.  No one can explain it to me.  You insist she hasn't lost but I just can't run the numbers.  Will you do it for me? 

Also, no serious people are suggesting that not supporting Obama is racism.  Please stop asserting they are or show us posts from posters here that say this or quotes from people we take seriously.  It makes Hillary people look crazy when you do this.

And before you start screaming at me, I don't really care who the nominee is, I am ready to support them.  I do believe Obama has won barring a truly cataclysmic political event though.  Teach me different (using math). 

by ProfRich on 05/06/2008 05:59:23 PM EST

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But there still is that trick where she pulls 100 delegates out of her ass.  I can't wait to see it.  It's got to be spectacular.

by bfaul on 05/06/2008 10:13:50 PM EST

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"I have been trying to find someone to explain to me the math of how Hillary gets the nomination without massive candidate switching among the out superDs or pledged delegates."

After tonight's election results, the roadmap to victory is more clear. Hillary really has to run the tables. I'm assuming the remaining states roughly balance each other; and cancel each other between Hillary and Obama votes.

If Hillary achieves a revote in FL, and she wins the state by the same margin she won NY; and she achieves a revote in MI, and she wins the state by the same margin she won OH; and she wins Puerto Rico by a wide margin like 65-35; and she captures endorsements& nbsp;from 170 of the remaining 267 Super Delegates; then we have a tie race!  

Talk about threading the needle.

In practical terms, her only hope is to string out the race and hope that Obama really screws up.

Here's a new drinking game. Take a shot every time you hear Hillary say the words Michigan or Florida.





by KenTX on 05/07/2008 12:24:45 AM EST

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Couldnt keep up with that drinking game!

Salud!!!!

:)

by bobo1 on 05/07/2008 01:15:42 AM EST

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Who woulda thunk.

That explains a lot.

Maybe bobo is drunk Ken. 

by ProfRich on 05/07/2008 01:44:25 AM EST

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and apparently Indiana was the tie-breaker. She doesn't need to win those states that you say! Clearly what you have written is pro-Obama spin, shame on you. This was just what Hillary needed to break Obama's momentum after losing the entire south pacific.

by hazmat on 05/07/2008 01:23:36 AM EST

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Ken, I understand you were just throwing this out to make the very valid point she has lot but even this best case scenario for her leaves her 42 delegates short.

For the record, according to my math Hillary needs 69% of all remaining delegates (pledged and super) to win.
If MI and FL are sat as they stand (best case scenario for Hillary) that numbers drops to 67%.

And her once massive superD lead is now down to 14.  Chuck Todd seems to think in 48 hours she will trail in superDs.

IT IS OVER! 

by ProfRich on 05/07/2008 02:04:07 AM EST

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the bottom line is your wonder-breaded, talcumed, pale white ass can't get past race.

by Chinese Democracy on 05/06/2008 09:54:20 AM EST

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Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.

 

Just tired. 

by MRFred on 05/06/2008 10:58:40 AM EST

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so awesome... gave me chills...

by pictman on 05/06/2008 12:21:01 PM EST

you won't regret it.

by hazmat on 05/06/2008 01:22:41 PM EST

As to the rest of the crap being spoken in this thread, I'm brushing my shoulders off.

by mijoh on 05/06/2008 01:45:29 PM EST

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