The Young Turks

I actually don't support Hillary Clinton at all. If she's the nominee, it will be difficult for me to vote for her. I remember all the way back when she first ran for Senate, I felt that it was inappropriate for her to do so while she was still First Lady. And it was obvious that she was planning to run for president, which I also thought was inappropriate.

I reached voting age in the late 90's. I was so disgusted with the behavior of both parties at that time that I have always been an independant voter. In fact, I was so repulsed that I've usually voted for whatever random candidates didn't belong to either major party. (I voted for Nader, twice, and I'm not sorry. You can't expect me to loyally vote with the party when I haven't joined a party. I was against both parties. It's not that I thought they were the same, just equally bad.)

This year, I registered with the Democratic Party, largely to vote for Barack Obama in the primary (and I just filled out my mail-in ballot about half an hour ago). But ultimately, I will be voting democratic anyway, because the horrible, constitution-damaging behavior of the current administation must be punished at the polls.

Also, I find it difficult to support anyone who stood before the people in the 90s and said that lying and oathbreaking justified impeachment, but who now supports the far more egregious lying and oathbreaking of Bush and Cheney, apparently without embarrassment. If the "Republicans" had any sense of honor, as they claim to, they would do one of two things: they would stand by their own assertions, eject Bush and Cheney from their party, and support impeachment proceedings; or they would apologize for impeaching Clinton for comparitively minor offenses.

Basically, I like Barack Obama, and I'm more repulsed by the "Republicans" than the Democrats these days. (One of the things I like best about Obama is that he speaks out against all the things that disgusted me in the 90s.)

 I would prefer just about any other non-"Republican" to Hillary Clinton. I think that a Hillary Clinton presidency will bring me more of what I don't like, at least partly for reasons that aren't her fault. But I really don't want it.

The thing on The Huffington Post was just weird. 

She will lose the nomination and come back to the fold and will be treated like a major palyer in the party (like Ted after he torpedoed Carter in 80) but the notion that she has a realistic shot in 2012 if Obama loses is a "fairy tale."  Just like Teddy getting the nod post-1980 was laughable.

She has sowed some salt into the furrows that won't soon be forgotten.

Nontheless if her name is on the ballot and not Obama's I'll vote for her.  I hope you all will too. 

that she will pay for her campaign tactics in the natural way (by losing).

The article's suggestion was that she should be booted from the party for threatening Iran with nukes, not for her campaign tactics. The idea is that she violated the U.N. charter.

Here's the article. 

I'm not sure I think it makes all that much sense. I don't think she has the authority necessary to violate the U.N. charter, and I don't think U.N. charter violations should be handled by the DNC. I do think her comments were too inflammatory under current circumstances, and that her position is much too absolute--that we would go to war with Iran if they attacked Israel, no matter what, regardless of the rest of the situation.

I detest her tactics, and I agree that they are destructive to the party.

For one thing, I feel personally offended by her characterization of Obama supporters, and I think it's stupid to insult voters.