Brazil and the US...a new global power?

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Latin America again may be on America's radar.

Latin America again may be on America's radar.


There have been a recent string of discoveries of large reserves of oil and natural gas in the Southern Cone (Brazil, Uruguay, Argentina) in the last 6 months. The most notable of these has been the massive find of oil off Brazil, known as the Tupi and Sugarloaf fields. According to Bloomberg:

"A tripling of proved reserves from 12.6 billion barrels would move Brazil into the world's top 10 nations in oil supplies, according to estimates from London-based BP Plc. Brazil, Latin America's largest economy, would overtake Nigeria, currently No. 10 with 36.2 billion barrels, and put it close to Kazakhstan, which has 39.8 billion barrels."

This has massive implications for geopolitics of the world and Latin America in particular. Since the oil is readily accessible to the American market, conceivably it can supplement or replace Venezuelan oil supplies to the US. Hugo Chavez is not a dumb one, he has signed an agreement with China to supply China with 1 million barrels of oil a day, and before people say that he can't because the oil is too heavy, China is building a refinery in Southern China for the express purpose of refining Vene. oil. What this means is that since Venezuela's oil production has been falling, if Venezuela wants to keep its commitment to China it has to reduce exports to the US.

This is actually against US interests because in so doing, Chavez is enabling China to become vested in the future of the pseudo-socialist regime of Hugo Chavez, meaning political, material,and possibly even military support to his administration and project. Hugo Chavez is also making overtures to Moscow:

"President Hugo Chavez says that Venezuela is fortifying "all levels of cooperation" with Russia, including the purchase of more arms."

"Venezuela spent $4.4 billion in weapons purchases from 2003 to 2006 to modernize its armed forces, according to a report by the U.S. Congressional Research Service."

"Venezuela's military fired its first test missile from a recently acquired Russian Sukhoi fighter jet and launched its first seaborne missile in 13 years, showcasing new capabilities in exercises carried live on state television."

The Chavez regime has every reason to beef up its military in light of the record of the Bush regime and traditional American imperialism in the Caribbean basin. It would rather impossible to have a socialist revolution without the force of arms to protect yourself against American intrigues (lest we forget Chavez was overthrow by an American supported coup d'etat in 2002). By appealing to China for diplomatic assurances, and Russia for investment (Gazprom, which is really an arm of Russia's corporate state, and foreign policy apartus) Chavez is building a truly powerful coalition of international forces to protect him against the United States.

Brazil though has the capacity to undermine Chavez, with the large reserves of oil recently found in Brazil's waters, it could change the whole dynamic. For Venezuela, the more centrist, but still socialist Brazilian government could spread Brazilian semi-peripheral imperialism to safeguard against "revolutionary" socialism of Hugo Chavez, while still appealing to the redistributionist demands of the populations. The oil find will give Brazil major power status, and its oil monopoly Petrobras the ability to challenge Exxon and other major Western oil firms (it is already bigger than Chevron). Brazil can also challenge American or support the United States in the region, certainly Brazil wants to replace the United States as the hegemonic power in Latin America, and has succeeded imo in Mercosur. The United States needs Brazil more than ever, also considering that Brazil will now export major amounts of ethanol to the United States:

"America’s thirst for ethanol is set to grow in line with targets in last year’s Energy Independence and Security Act. Brazil would like to sell more to Europe and Japan too...This year Brazil hopes to export up to 3 billion litres of ethanol to the United States. But this market depends on the corn price being so high as to make it profitable to pay the import tariff...For those worried about climate change, Brazilian ethanol is worth buying only if it is as green as it claims to be. It is certainly much greener than its corn-based rival in America: it packs 8.2 times as much energy as is used in its production, compared with just 1.5 times for corn ethanol, according to the Woodrow Wilson Centre, a Washington think-tank."

So Brazil has the capability of become America's new Saudi Arabia...instead its MUCH COOLER!


 

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the customer-supplier relationship.

The customer holds all of the power.

But what would you know about real world business or capitalism? You spend all of your time studying theory in books written by socialists.

by KenTX on 06/27/2008 12:43:38 AM EST


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by Nick86 on 06/27/2008 12:55:16 AM EST

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I'm honoring the thread with my very presence.

Were I to ignore the thread, it would still have zero comments, and it would move to the bottom of the thread list in shame and disgrace.

by KenTX on 06/27/2008 11:03:43 AM EST

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by Nick86 on 06/27/2008 11:22:14 AM EST

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customers hold power when there's enough supply, if there's too much demand the power shifts to the suppliers

In your logic Saudi Arabia hasn't got any influence on the US? The damned president was financed by them :)

maybe you should start with an economics 101 Texas, because we've seen what Texas economics can do to the US and the world, but mostly to the US

by callisto on 06/27/2008 05:55:06 AM EST

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"In your logic Saudi Arabia hasn't got any influence on the US?"

Let's check how much influence Saudi Arabia has.
oil

When the supply curve exceeds the demand curve again, and the price of oil plummets again, how much influence will Saudi Arabia have?

by KenTX on 06/27/2008 11:44:18 AM EST

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would you ever think this would happen?

"When the supply curve exceeds the demand curve again"

by jarett on 06/27/2008 12:50:01 PM EST

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... Bush is going to wave his magical wand :)

you're right in the current climate it's insane or naïve to say that...

or bobo has the hope that we'll find another source of energy soon, I for one support bobo in this hope, but I don't think it'll be any time soon :)

then again, if Saudi Arabia re-invests their oil money bobo is paying them now into covering their desert with solar panels, they might still end up supplying the US with energy (US could also do this, but they're so into debt, that they might not have the money to do this)

by callisto on 06/27/2008 02:18:54 PM EST

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sorry to bobo

by callisto on 06/27/2008 04:34:04 PM EST

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I have much more experience on this subject than you.

When a consumer trades in his Lincoln Navigator for a Prius, and adds insulation to his house, he cuts his energy demand by 50%.

When oil companies drop drill string in every nook and cranny in Texas (like they are doing on my land), they increase production by a significant percentage.

The multiplicative effects of these global trends will impact the supply and demand curves.

Markets work. All you have to do is wait and watch.

by KenTX on 06/27/2008 02:25:17 PM EST

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Not knowing my experience on the subject, makes it impossible to claim you have more experience, that's only logics (or that's something has not been discovered yet in Texas?), unless you are the world's leading authority on the subject of course, in that is the case, all heil Texas Ken on the subject

those are "if this and this and this happens", again are you a psychic? Know the saying: in the long term we're all dead?

at this moment, oil prices keep rising, doesn't look like demand/supply will find a lower equilibrium soon

by callisto on 06/27/2008 02:52:28 PM EST

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We aren't any happier about Ken than y'all are.

by ProfRich on 06/27/2008 03:01:23 PM EST

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you're right, I shouldn't diss all Texans, it's sometimes hard when see you all the politicians who got/get elected from there

but I've heard some positive things come from there, is it Austin that's the most gay friendly city in the US (the one with the lesbian police chief)

by callisto on 06/27/2008 03:10:38 PM EST

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We have a lot of lesbians though.  And a lot of them are those college coed kind that are all girly and hot.

Its pretty bad ass.

We are gay friendly though.

by ProfRich on 06/27/2008 03:21:58 PM EST

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I read this in Newsweek or Time magazine last year, about a city in Texas, where the police shief/sheriff ran as openly lesbian and won, was so happy to read that

by callisto on 06/27/2008 04:31:32 PM EST

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But, seriously, who here doesn't like hot lesbians?

by ProfRich on 06/27/2008 05:08:28 PM EST

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"We are gay friendly though."

What he means to say is that he is extremely gay friendly.

by KenTX on 06/27/2008 04:39:47 PM EST

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By the way did you enjoy your drunken night of debauchery here two weekends ago?

by ProfRich on 06/27/2008 05:13:53 PM EST

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Enjoy the bar-b-que, and then go listen to the act in the alcove and enjoy some drinks. Don't pay the $90 for the tickets.

Standing shoulder-to-shoulder with 8,000 people in the Texas heat ain't my idea of real smart.

by KenTX on 06/27/2008 05:20:05 PM EST

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Yeah, you're right.

There really is no need to buy a ticket there.  There are a ton of places to enjoy the show from without doing so. 

by ProfRich on 06/27/2008 05:39:00 PM EST

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I wonder how such retarded sub-coversations begin and never end...KenTX ruins life.

Blog: http://perspectivos.blogspo t.com/

by Nick86 on 06/27/2008 05:59:44 PM EST

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Its amazing how dispite our differences most people on this board can get along on a social level.  You should try it sometime Nick. 

by alphasigmookie on 06/27/2008 06:25:03 PM EST

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an asshole I guess :)

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by Nick86 on 06/27/2008 06:29:32 PM EST

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by Nick86 on 06/28/2008 02:09:27 AM EST

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the tried and prooven Repug tactic, oh excuse me, you're an independent, like anyone here believes that:

instead of replying to the main argument, you go for a minor point, example or something with a smilie behind it:

1. main argument was not only relevant to Saudi Arabië

2. I didn't claim all that influence was only by supplying oil, you can add the foreign Saudi investment in the US, having bankrolled Bush's failed carreer in the oil business, the countless business that American political and business families are involved with Saudi royals and businesses (Carlyle Group anyone), ...

on that account, we've seen how much Bush can control those oil suppliers :) the only thing he can do, is walking hand in hand with them

3. supplying 9% of oil does give them influence, adding also their influence within OPEC as the world's biggesr supplier

4. there are some others on your pie chart that aren't too "friendly" with the US at the moment: Venezuela & Russia. Or a pipeline in Nigeria goes up in flames, prices rise, ...

conclusion: are you seriously saying it's a buyer's market at the moment????? 

I would love to see bobo saying "oil customers are king" these days at a gas station :) you think he'll end up in hospital? :)

by callisto on 06/27/2008 02:12:51 PM EST

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First, I twist your arm behind your back. Then, I grab your hair, and force your face on top of the dog turd laying on the lawn. Then, the pain causes you to open your mouth and engulf the dog turd. Then, I force you to chew it, and tell me how good it tastes.

Just let me know if you ever want to take me on in a thread again. Thanks for playing! Have a nice day!

by KenTX on 06/27/2008 02:32:01 PM EST

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after being caught on saying stupid stuff, they turn to violence (typical)

if you would take the opportunity the read what I wrote: I never said I would stand at the gas station, especially since the only gas I use comes from plane rides and taxis, I don't drive a car, so I don't really care about gas being so high, except that it's not helping the dollar

by callisto on 06/27/2008 02:45:43 PM EST

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Phase 2 is when Ken declares victory and takes his little victory lap ignoring the actual substance of the debate.

by ProfRich on 06/27/2008 02:57:13 PM EST

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some sort of grade school flashback that ends with Ken beating up the bully and becoming everyone's best friend.  Then a dragon comes down and Ken vanquishes it using a hilarious photoshopped image of Bill Clinton or a link he didn't read or something, then he accuses us all of being gay Stalinists.  Victory is sweet!

by Spencer on 06/27/2008 03:21:51 PM EST

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Can't forget about how good Ken is at football.  That always makes him right.

by Spencer on 06/27/2008 03:23:04 PM EST

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Ken's Dad is an even better Football player which makes him even more right.

by z1p101 on 06/27/2008 05:01:01 PM EST

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I mixed you into this, please replace bobo with Texas Ken in my previous comment

bobo again sorry

by callisto on 06/27/2008 02:42:05 PM EST

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I'm curious.

by jarett on 06/27/2008 12:48:55 PM EST

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To address the original topic of discussion...I agree completely that Brazil will rise to become a significant world power and rival the US for infuence over SA.  In many ways I think Latin America has the potential to be as powerful as the rising asian economies in the long term.  That is of course if they follow the Brazilian model rather than simply continuing to be client states for whichever world power in en vogue at the time (China or US or Spain or Portugal). 

As for the Oil finds, I'll believe them when I see them.  The sugarloaf "discovery" seems to be based on some VERY vague evidence.  I'd wait until they get a few test wells drilled to celebrate.  Either way Brazil is in good shape because they are nearly energy self sufficient due to sugar cane ethanol.  This will give them a major advantage as energy prices continue to rise. 

http://www.economist.com/di splaystory.cfm?story_id=110 43022

by alphasigmookie on 06/27/2008 02:37:02 PM EST


Asian people are smart and industrious. South American people are like Nick.

by KenTX on 06/27/2008 02:47:39 PM EST

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1. Asia is huge, having a very diverce populace
2. SA is Asia, true it's not the far east (or in terms you might understand: they're not yellow people)
3. if they are so smart, why haven't they gotten their s*hit together?, I mean can we say poverty
4. this seems to be or very simplistic or racist


on a side note, let's all keep remembering what joys Texas has brought us lately

by callisto on 06/27/2008 02:57:56 PM EST

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That explains it.

by ProfRich on 06/27/2008 02:58:01 PM EST

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You apparently haven't followed any of the Iron Ore negotiations over the past few years.  I own CVRD otherwise known as Vale [RIO].  Over the past few years they have been able to grab on and squeeze.  2003- 31.40/ton...2008- 132.20/ton. 

by alphasigmookie on 06/27/2008 03:23:23 PM EST

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I would argue that South America has the potential to hold the world economy hostage due to the large resources that it holds. The capitalist world economy has grown so much over the past 500 years because Latin American's did not control their resources and were dependent on the core economies (Dependency theory), today, as Brazil shows, Latin America with strong state intervention (Vale, Petrobras, Electobras) can take the reigns of its own economy and begin to dictate terms by which its resources can be exploited. As KenTX said, governments in Latin America are "like me" in the sense they understand that they have to get into the economy and that development only occurs when they interfere in the "markets".

"That is of course if they follow the Brazilian model rather than simply continuing to be client states for whichever world power in en vogue at the time (China or US or Spain or Portugal)."

That's easier said than done, for instance Paraguay is landlocked and is a virtual colony of Brazil. Many of the countries in Latin America simply have such a bad distribution of income that they have no real internal market, in order for Latin America to break the chains of dependency it needs to develop an authentic middle class society, this exists in only three Latin American countries, Argentina Chile, and Uruguay. Also, Brazil is exceptional in that it is half of South America in every way. So it has so much potential that its ridiculous it could compete theoretically with the US or Russia or China in the future.

"Either way Brazil is in good shape because they are nearly energy self sufficient due to sugar cane ethanol.  "

Not just Brazil, I'd say all of Mercosur is in relatively good shape as they have enough land and resources to be self-sufficient in food, ethanol, and carbon based natural resources.

Being Uruguayan I am very proud that a major find of Natural Gas has been found off the coast, meaning that potentially 1/3 of our total import bill can be eliminated and create huge export surpluses! This will push Uruguay back into the first world, where its already knocking on the door. Good-bye Canada! lol


 

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by Nick86 on 06/27/2008 04:37:33 PM EST

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