Spanish Parliament Extends Rights to Apes.

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Spanish Parliament Extends Rights to Apes. | 49 comments (49 topical, 0 hidden)
Are we to assume (none / 0)
that you will be moving to Spain soon?

by MRFred on 06/30/2008 01:22:52 AM EST

Liberals (none / 0)

Kudos to Spain and my hero Jane Goodall.  After all, apes are one of our closest relatives. 

"Fine, I evolved, you didn't."

by desertpear on 06/30/2008 01:34:02 AM EST

and (none / 0)

by desertpear on 06/30/2008 01:44:50 AM EST

Cute story. (none / 0)
This one's a tough sell, though.  You're slipping.

by jarett on 06/30/2008 02:33:59 AM EST

Can these apes marry? (none / 0)
Or better yet, if a male gorilla loves another male gorilla, can THEY get married in Spain? How about adopting children?

Lets take this one step further - if a Male Gorilla loves a female human, can they get married? Vice Versa?

What if the ape loves a monkey? Being recognized as having Human Rights, can they be together? Where does that leave the monkeys rights (for all of you nimwits, monkeys and apes are not the same)

What if someone Libels the Ape by calling it a monkey in the local newspaper - Can the ape sue the newspaper? If it has Human Rights, it could? Wouldnt it?

Now I know that the Spanish thing is symbolic and it makes tree huggers and Jane Goodall feel good about their lifes work, but really people, do we need to have the slippery slope discussion here?

What in the Hell are the people thinking? Apes with Human rights - They are not Humans. Period. You cannot have rights unless you cant assert them - Unless a human steps in to assist, Gorillas, Chimps and other Apes cannot assert their rights in soceity. Therefore, they have no rights, especially Human Rights!!!

Relativism run amok... My goodness people - get your heads out of your asses and start thinking about where this insanity could lead?

:(

by bobo1 on 06/30/2008 03:12:19 AM EST

Question: (none / 0)
do we need to have the slippery slope discussion here?

No.

by jarett on 06/30/2008 04:01:25 AM EST

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So I presume children do not have rights (none / 0)
"You cannot have rights unless you cant assert them - Unless a human steps in to assist, Gorillas, Chimps and other Apes mentally retarded or 4 year olds cannot assert their rights in soceity. Therefore, they have no rights, especially Human"

So I presume you reject that mentally retarded and 4 year old do not have rights since they cannot speak out for themselves to defend their rights. I publicy denounce and reject you

by JaimeH on 06/30/2008 10:33:19 AM EST

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some liberals are dumber than shrimp (none / 0)
So should shrimp have human rights?

by KenTX on 06/30/2008 10:45:19 AM EST

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Why Shrimp? (none / 0)
What do you have against shrimp?

by JaimeH on 06/30/2008 11:15:08 AM EST

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Research suggests... (none / 0)

Cons have lizard brains.

Should we give lizards rights? 

by ProfRich on 06/30/2008 12:11:18 PM EST

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no (none / 0)
But should Bobo have shrimps' rights?

by desertpear on 06/30/2008 03:24:39 PM EST

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Wait a minute? (none / 0)

Wasn't Ken the same person who was claiming that Europe was embracing conservatism with open arms  not too long ago?

I could find that link where Ken put up pictures of all those European leaders shaking Bush's hand but is it worth my time?

by z1p101 on 06/30/2008 03:15:47 AM EST

not spain (none / 0)
They went socialist after the terrorist bombing. Al Qaeda approved of the move and they considered it tribute. That's how they would read an Obama election. Victory.

by KenTX on 06/30/2008 06:23:56 AM EST

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And.... (none / 0)

How many Spaniards have died in terrorist violence since their capitulation to the terrorists?

Huh, maybe that is all bullshit after all, huh Ken? 

by ProfRich on 06/30/2008 10:55:08 AM EST

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If we knuckle under, (none / 0)
And repudiate Israel, and convert to Islam, then we too can be safe, for a while, until they find out we became Shia rather than Sunni.

by KenTX on 06/30/2008 11:34:39 AM EST

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Lay Off the Shrimp (none / 0)
Ken,

Lay off the shrimp, you're becoming delusional

by JaimeH on 06/30/2008 11:47:09 AM EST

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becoming? (none / 0)

by ProfRich on 06/30/2008 12:19:23 PM EST

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When? (none / 0)

Spain repudiated Israel and converted to Islam?

Face it, empirical evidence rejects the entire premise of the McCain campaign and the Bush presidency. 

by ProfRich on 06/30/2008 12:17:11 PM EST

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Don't swallow KenTX's Bull Shit (none / 0)
Please don't fall for this fascist propaganda, please read what Great Apes Project is all about

http://www.greatapeproject. org/



by JaimeH on 06/30/2008 05:28:04 AM EST

Above all else (none / 0)
Liberals want you to stop injesting lead, Ken.

by OneHitKill on 06/30/2008 06:03:33 AM EST

Spanish Parliament Extends Rights to Apes? (none / 0)

So...Spain finally recognized Texas, huh?

by MedfordTim on 06/30/2008 09:42:58 AM EST

Easy, Tim (none / 0)
Molly Ivins, Jim Hightower, Anne Richards and myself renounce and deject you.

by ProfRich on 06/30/2008 12:15:40 PM EST

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No.... (none / 0)
they gave rights to Texas Ken:(

by the way you think Texas Ken is the gay cowboy version? poor Barbie :)

by callisto on 06/30/2008 11:39:30 AM EST

Conservatives need to calm down (none / 0)
again they're taking it over the top and making a mockery of the issue.

1. apes don't get the same rights as humans
2. when you think it's the first time animals get rights, you're an idiot, animals already have rights
 
eg if you torture animals, you will be punished

by callisto on 06/30/2008 11:49:43 AM EST

Apparently Ken and the cons are pro-animal torture (none / 0)
Or at least they are against the intrusive overbearing government infringing on their right to torture animals.

by ProfRich on 06/30/2008 12:23:55 PM EST

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Now that I think about it (none / 0)

It would be kind of silly to support torture of human beings and oppose torture of animals, huh?

At least they are consistent! 

by ProfRich on 06/30/2008 12:24:40 PM EST

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so true (none / 0)
so true

hey, at least one equality that the cons defend: torture for anyone, who isn't us

by callisto on 06/30/2008 02:59:22 PM EST

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shrimps have feelings too (none / 0)
If you torture a shrimp, by boiling it in water, will you be punished? If you torture a rat, by catching it in a trap, and allowing it to die a slow agonizing death, will you be punished? If you torture a deer, by shooting it, and gutting it, will you be punished? I can go on and on.

by KenTX on 06/30/2008 12:28:27 PM EST

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you will endure the wrath of (none / 0)

C'mon people, this thread cries out for cute animal pictures for Ken!!

by desertpear on 06/30/2008 01:47:36 PM EST

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and (none / 0)

by desertpear on 06/30/2008 01:49:38 PM EST

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If (none / 0)
If you torture a human being by waterboarding them or forcing them into stress positions or beating them to death will you be punished?

by ProfRich on 06/30/2008 02:43:04 PM EST

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the answer is no (none / 0)
Bush told you that he did it, and Democrats said nothing.

by KenTX on 06/30/2008 02:50:22 PM EST

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Might wanna look in the mirror (none / 0)
that's because people like you and there are way too many in the US, people, who in other parts of the Western world are called extremists, who make it possible for monsters as Bush to even defend these positions

by callisto on 06/30/2008 03:10:53 PM EST

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I said should (none / 0)
should you be punished?  Not will a spineless group of cowards fail to punish you.

by ProfRich on 06/30/2008 03:32:10 PM EST

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no (none / 0)
Torture of farm animals and lab animals and possible terrorists is in America's interests.

by desertpear on 06/30/2008 02:51:08 PM EST

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ai ai ai (none / 0)
1. you don't seem to understand the difference between killing and torturing (shrimp, deer)
2. if you systematically torture the rat and the authorities find out, yes they will, true probably more because they think you're gone nuts, but still
some authorities and animal groups will ask you to use better rat traps

so you really think any non-extreme-animal-rights people would have qualified those as animal abuse, I mean really, on what planet are you living?

by callisto on 06/30/2008 03:06:01 PM EST

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and (none / 0)

by desertpear on 06/30/2008 01:55:46 PM EST

were you abused as a child? (none / 0)

Could explain your interest in animal torture.

For your education, here are Texas' anti-cruelty laws. There are felony statutes in place for relevant acts of cruelty.  

link

 

by desertpear on 06/30/2008 02:11:13 PM EST

confession time (none / 0)
I used to hunt deer, rabbit, duck, quail, goose, dove as a kid. I was a good shot with a 30-30, 22, 12 gauge, 410.

Now I feed deer with a timer spreader. I no longer hunt anything.

I will kill a rattlesnake or a bobcat or a javelina or a trouble making coyote.

This is the really funny part: I can't even watch those nature shows where one animal eats another animal!

But if somebody wants to boil a shrimp, or filet a fish, or trap a rat, or boil a crab or kill a deer, I'm cool with it. I just don't want them to kill my deer.

I don't get a kick out of killing animals. But I am much more troubled by animal rights activists than I am by hunters.

by KenTX on 06/30/2008 02:36:46 PM EST

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Hunters? (none / 0)

Who the hell is hunting gorillas?

How do you prepare a gorilla?

What the hell does this have to do with the topic?

Oh, and Ken says he is a good shot but I hear not near as good as his daddy. 

by ProfRich on 06/30/2008 02:46:00 PM EST

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sadly (none / 0)
Illegal hunting is one of the gorilla's main threats in Africa.  They are hunted for bushmeat and for live animal trafficking. 

by desertpear on 06/30/2008 04:02:08 PM EST

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In Spain???? (none / 0)

by ProfRich on 06/30/2008 04:09:30 PM EST

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only (none / 0)
non-Spanish speaking gorillas

by desertpear on 06/30/2008 04:58:19 PM EST

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what is the worry? (none / 0)

Although labeled "domestic terrorists," they haven't killed anyone.  The extreme groups are pretty much shunned by your average animal welfare promoter (like me) because their tactics are as unproductive as Timothy McVeigh's bombing.

Plus, if the FBI had been paying attention to real threats, 9-11 may not have happened.

"The FBI's Office of the Inspector General (OIG) has also questioned the department's "ecoterrorism" priorities. In a 2003 report, the OIG recommended that the FBI take its anti-terrorist staff off of environmental and animal rights property crimes to focus on more serious threats. "To the extent that the FBI seeks to maximize its counterterrorism resources to deal with radical Islamic fundamentalist terrorism, WMD, and domestic groups or individuals that may seek mass casualties, we believe that FBI management should consider the benefit of transferring responsibility for criminal activity by social activists to the FBI's Criminal Investigative Division." The FBI refused to alter its priorities.

In that sense, not much has changed since 9/11 at the FBI. While al Qaeda was planning to crash airliners into the nation's largest buildings, the FBI was focused on "ecoterrorism." Six months before the mass casualties, then FBI director Louis Freeh testified to a congressional committee on terrorism threats, giving about the same amount of time to environmental and animal rights groups as he gave to Osama bin Laden and Middle-East terrorist groups."

link

You might rethink feeding your deer.  It is a good way for disease to spread (e.g., chronic wasting disease).

by desertpear on 06/30/2008 03:03:23 PM EST

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Dear God! (none / 0)

Texas has led Spain into an insane liberal frenzy!

Ken will you denounce and reject Texas?

(I will not) 

by ProfRich on 06/30/2008 02:44:29 PM EST

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Ken... (none / 0)
You need your rights protected at all costs...! I support Spain's bid to protect your rights, even the evolutionary disabled deserve to have rights.

Blog: http://perspectivos.blogspo t.com/

by Nick86 on 06/30/2008 08:17:47 PM EST

I resent (none / 0)
your implication that Charlton Heston was an ape. This is extremely unfair. His affinity for guns is protected by the second amendment, Ken. Do I need to show it to you in the constitution? Dumbass.

"If you're not worried, you're not paying attention." --Cenk Uygur

by hazmat on 07/01/2008 01:03:54 AM EST

I understand your excitement KokoTX (none / 0)

You've finally got a few rights.  Congratulations.  Stop banging on your cage and for God's sake stop smearing your feces all over your food dish!

KokoTX 

by bfaul on 07/01/2008 11:09:27 AM EST

Come on... (none / 0)
What? I don't deserve rights?

by Spencer on 07/02/2008 05:20:01 AM EST

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