Barack, you're fuckin' up

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Wes Clark never mentioned, impugned, denigrated, or in any way attacked McCain's PATRIOTISM and YOU are a FOOL to play into the hands of the Republicans in this way.

What you SHOULD have said was, "Wes is right. There is nothing about military service or a lack thereof which automatically bestows upon a person the judgement, leadership, temperment or ability to be the leader of the free world."


This isn't the first red flag and I'm sure it won't be the last. Stop courting the fucking Right Wing wackos! You will do nothing but alienate the people who ALREADY support you.

Grow some fucking LIBERAL BALLS!!!!
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Tim... (none / 0)
Did you see Olbermann's Special Comment this evening (Monday 6-30)? Hes saying the same thing you are. What did you think of it, if you did see it? Im still debating it, personally...

I love seeing Democrats eat their own - even Cenk on the show today expressed genuine second thoughts as to whether y'all picked the right person for the nomination.

Again, as in a previous posting, I'll ask my question -

Will the Real Barack Obama Please Stand Up?

:)

by bobo1 on 06/30/2008 11:13:32 PM EST

He'll be standing up to take the oath of office (none / 0)
before you know it.

by ProfRich on 06/30/2008 11:39:59 PM EST

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Yes, I did (none / 0)

He didn't go far enough, but the analysis of the bill by John Dean seemed reasonable.

Obama is being coopted by the existing power structure - and it's a damn shame...

by MedfordTim on 07/01/2008 03:36:00 AM EST

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100% agree (none / 0)

I just watched Keith's special comment that bobo refers to.  I sort of felt that Keith was covering his own ass after he just recently seemed to give Obama a pass on voting for the FISA bill (re:  the hole in FISA).  Keith can get a little full of himself in my opinion. On the other hand, I am glad he didn't kowtow to Obama in this last comment.

I was very disappointed at Obama's rejection of Clark, and with his implied rejection of MoveOn.org too.  You are right that Clark did not attack McCain's patriotism.

I have appreciated Obama's intelligence and willingness to treat issues as other than just black vs. white.  In this instance, it seemed like he simply pandered to the right. He also may have lost a very important ally.  I was hoping Clark would be his VP, but now, with Obama's permission, he is getting whomped by the media.  It seems very important that people question the integrity of those who have been in the military, the same as anyone else.  Not everyone who joins the military is a saint. 

What happened to "I don't do cowering"?


by desertpear on 06/30/2008 11:48:24 PM EST

Tim, you're lucky (none / 0)
I'm on my bb right now, or I might be tempted to give to an old school TYT response. Here's the brief version. Take the argument you made in the header and apply it to Kerry in 2004. At least we know McCain's actions were honorable. He never sold crack or smoked crack. It is just about time to open up on the crack boy who has an extremely thin resume: 2 yrs in Senate, 20 yrs with Rev Wright, 5 yrs smoking crack.

by KenTX on 06/30/2008 11:59:16 PM EST

You've got mail (none / 0)

Are you talking about that unqualified Coke fiend who NEVER held a national office before coming in and doing to America what he did for every company he ran into the ground? Still President Bush? That Coke head?

by MedfordTim on 07/01/2008 03:31:46 AM EST

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Hey Tim, (none / 0)
I don't remember Bush admitting to coke use. On the other hand, I remember Obama writing books about using many drugs.

by KenTX on 07/01/2008 06:12:53 PM EST

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Too high to remember. Riiiiiight (none / 0)

Now there's a good point of contrast and compare  one candidate being honest and open about his past and admitting to being human, while the other hasn't told the truth in some 60 years.

Good point in Obama's favor, Ken! Thanks!

by MedfordTim on 07/02/2008 02:34:11 AM EST

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At least we know McCain's actions were honorable (none / 0)


Two words.

Keating.

Five.

by MedfordTim on 07/01/2008 03:32:53 AM EST

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obama's pissing me off lately (none / 0)
But at least he didn't cheat on his wife and leave her for a younger, richer model who he would use to carpetbag a seat in the congress and proceed to sell his insider services to the highest bidder.

by ynp7 on 07/02/2008 12:28:33 AM EST

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You're lucky (none / 0)

...that McCain is honorable (say that with conviction). He was so honorable that he defended this man

 

as a pillar of the community when he paid an undercover officer of the peace $20 for the privilege of sucking his cock, but only because he was a scary black man and didn't want to get mugged. Thanks for enlightening us about crack Ken. I never would have known that Obama smoked it for 5 years until I heard it from a credible source, a right wing wacko like yourself. The damage you've done here is difficult to calculate.

by hazmat on 07/01/2008 12:24:33 AM EST

If they bring up crack... (none / 0)

Do we get to talk about the drugs Cindy stole from her non-profit?

Or Grampa Death's drinking, wife-abusing, whoring days?

I hear he drank what we call Ol' Grandad but they called it Lil Juniors at the time. 

by ProfRich on 07/01/2008 12:27:33 AM EST

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that was an obscure campaign worker (none / 0)
Here's a guy who actually had sex with Barack H. Obama. By the way, did you hear that Obama was a Muslim?

by KenTX on 07/01/2008 01:00:25 AM EST

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I did hear that (none / 0)

Get used to saying it. You're going to be typing it madly at your "bb" for the next eight years, while the knowledge of McCain's crushing defeat eats at your soul because that's the best that you and your heritage foundation friends could come up with.

You'll still be wondering why people look at you with pity when you bring up that thing you "heard", but won't engage you in conversation because they think you're going to lose it. They can overlook the lazy eye and the raspy voice, but your hands are shaking a little and you forgot to tuck in your shirt. They quickly turn the conversation to the rangers or the longhorns. They can't even remember who Rev. Wright is...not even the guys at 7-11 want to hear it anymore. And the clerk is indian, but he's used to rednecks, so he thanks you a little too sweetly but surreptitiously leaves out the perfunctory salutation (Please come again).

Put down the candy, and let the little boy go. 

While you're ruminating in the political wilderness, you can think about how guys like this, who was not as you say a minor character, but rather the Florida campaign co-chair (read the story, its so highly entertaining!), and guys like this

 

destroyed your party, and your party's credibility, and by extension yours, by ACTUALLY smoking CRACK, and ACTUALLY having gay sex while accusing everyone else of doing so. So why are you so obsessed with crack I wonder? You are a loyal republican after all.

Oops, my mistake, Ted Haggard is in fact completely heterosexual. God I love republicans.

by hazmat on 07/01/2008 01:36:02 AM EST

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Gotta make a small correction (none / 0)
Ted Haggard was doing meth.
And yeah, totally heterosexual http://www.youtube.com/watc h?v=HZmHC75FDqQ

by Turambar on 07/01/2008 04:01:33 AM EST

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thanks for the link (none / 0)
I know about the meth!=crack, not a big deal. But why not conflate the two and call it a day?

by hazmat on 07/01/2008 10:50:10 AM EST

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The are amusing, aren't they? (none / 0)

"Oops, my mistake, Ted Haggard is in fact completely heterosexual. God I love republicans."

I know exactly what you mean here hazmat.  It's like when you're a kid playing with a windup toy on a table top.  You wind it up, let it go, and it mindlessly runs off the cliff and damages itself on the floor below. 

It's all very amusing - until you realize that collectively they're dragging the rest of the country off the edge behind them.

by bfaul on 07/01/2008 10:48:11 AM EST

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KenTX vs Cenk (none / 0)
KenTX is like Cenk; he shifts around a lot.  Cenk does it on 10 year cycles, and with extremes. KenTX does it on 6 month cycles, and in subtle ways.  For most of the primary months, his posts were kind of nasty in personal tone, but the politics of his posts weren't as terrible as usual (a very low standard by the way).  Now he is less personally offensive, and I'm glad about that, but the           political thoughts of his posts (if you can call them thoughts) are back to being ugly and              dumb.  Very interesting.

David

by yturks on 07/01/2008 01:38:54 AM EST

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"politcal thoughts" (none / 0)
Dave, please consider the "political thoughts" of Wes Clark in attacking McCain's military service.

Consider the "political thoughts" of Jack Murtha in attacking McCain's age.

These attacks were carefully coordinated and orchestrated by the Obama Campaign. Are you concerned about the tone or content of these attacks? Of cooouurrrsssseee not!

So please spare me your concern over the tone or content of my posts.

I really think the McCain Campaign is rope-a-doping these attacks. They are simply highlighting and emphasizing that Barack Obama is the source. At this point, their objective is to allow the voting public to become outraged.

When the 527s open fire on Obama (figuratively!) in September, they want the voters to remember the dirty tactics of Barack Obama.

by KenTX on 07/01/2008 02:46:01 AM EST

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Show it. Don't just say it, SHOW IT. (none / 1)

Dave, please consider the "political thoughts" of Wes Clark in attacking McCain's military service."

Not to be too harsh, but that's an outright fucking lie. Clark has gone out of his way to venerate McCain's service - never has he attacked it. Or his patriotism.

That's Republican Swiftboat stuff.

by MedfordTim on 07/01/2008 03:43:24 AM EST

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swiftboat stuff (none / 0)
George W Bush Clark went out of his way to venerate John Kerry's military service - never did he ever attack it. Or his patriotism.

He just let his surrogates do all the dirty work.

Sidebar to Tim, we will never let this go. I hope you guys don't either.

What's the primary difference between Republicans and Democrats? In 2004, you guys cried and whined and wrung your hands in despair.

In 2008, we're going to take your own words and cram it down your throat. That's the GOP way.

You guys don't have what it takes to swiftboat. You're out of your league. You're out of your depth.

by KenTX on 07/01/2008 06:32:02 PM EST

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Ken said (none / 0)

"George W Bush Clark went out of his way to venerate John Kerry's military service - never did he ever attack it. Or his patriotism."

Thank God, as Ken has tacitly admitted, Obama or Clark did not attack McCain's military service or patriotism.  So how the hell is it relevant what a total scumbag Bush was in the 04 election? 

by ProfRich on 07/01/2008 09:30:51 PM EST

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Thank you. (none / 0)
You guys don't have what it takes to swiftboat. You're out of your league. You're out of your depth.

You're right! I have no use in building up lies to tear a person down. I don't WANT to be that kind of a person, in that fantasy league, or even in the same pool.

Too bad Conservatives never learned the value of "fair play" in all those fancy schools.

by MedfordTim on 07/02/2008 02:42:22 AM EST

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Dems are trying to swiftboat. (none / 0)
They are trying very hard. They just don't have what it takes. Witness the Bush DUI story.

Lame ass Dems.

by KenTX on 07/02/2008 02:46:28 AM EST

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Remember when... (none / 0)

Ken said we should vote for McCain because he is "honorable".

Am I the only one who sees the disconnect here?

by ProfRich on 07/02/2008 10:11:34 AM EST

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Ken, could answer Jawill's challenge? (none / 0)

He said "As for Clark's actual comment, I would love for those who really think it was disrespectful to EXPLAIN to all of us exactly how it was disrespectful.  I don't need insults or slogans or talking points, but an actual, honest explaination.  Be sure to include the question Clark was responding to, his full response, and details of why it was out of line.  I'll wait."

I couldn't have said it better.  I can't wait to hear your response, Ken.

by ProfRich on 07/01/2008 11:01:49 AM EST

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fair enough (none / 0)
But right now I'm on I-85 in SC, and I'm on my bb, so I'll make it brief, and expand later. This is a carefully coordinated attack where Clark is playing bad guy and Obama is playing good guy. Its hardball politics, and it needs to be exposed as such. More in a minute...

by KenTX on 07/01/2008 11:30:33 AM EST

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I hope you're right (none / 0)
'cause its effin brilliant. But when I saw the video and heard Wes Jr's explanation yesterday I'm not so sure. It looks more like the right wing is trying to take wes clark down.

by hazmat on 07/01/2008 11:40:31 AM EST

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If I'm running McCain's campaign (none / 0)
I run on this all the way to the convention. So Clark says McCain is not qualified because he was a carrier top gun, burned in the USS Forrestal explosion, shot down, tortured, crippled for life, commanded a carrier group, honored and respected by all he served with. OK. One question. Besides admittedly smoking crack, what has Barack Obama done?

by KenTX on 07/01/2008 11:41:03 AM EST

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All points worth brining up, Ken (none / 0)

Now can you answer Jawill's challenge?

Because that didn't even begin to address it.

by ProfRich on 07/01/2008 12:00:26 PM EST

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little frustrating (none / 0)
Admiral Lehman was on TV this morning talking about how McCain was the shining star of the Navy, and how he was just about to promote him from commander to admiral because he was a natural leader, and he would be the best man in command during time of war. Normally, I would link the clip to jam the ball into the face of jawill, but alas, I'm driving.

by KenTX on 07/01/2008 12:14:34 PM EST

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Man, consider me jammed up! (none / 0)
This is becoming comical.  You have not even taken one baby step in the direction of explaining yourself.  You've obfuscated, misdirected, insulted, smeared, and lied. 

You've done a pretty good job of undermining your own point here.  Congratulations. 

by jawill11 on 07/01/2008 12:21:08 PM EST

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you're not gettin' it (none / 0)
We want you guys to keep talking about this issue. Rand Beers just went on a similar attack. This allows us to contrast the service of Young John McCain with the crack smoking of Young Barack Obama. We didn't start it. You guys started it. But please, keep it going. We'll keep defending the war hero who's under attack from the crack smoking Madrassa graduate.

by KenTX on 07/01/2008 12:46:46 PM EST

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the war hero (none / 0)
The one that bombed civilians in Vietnam.  Maybe we should start highlighting that aspect of his "service" if you are going to smear Clark and Obama with your nonsense lies.

by desertpear on 07/01/2008 01:01:13 PM EST

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no lies (none / 0)
Barack Obama wrote books admitting he was a drug addicted crack smoker, and was educated in an Indonesian maddrassa. John McCain has been serving his country for more than 50 years! Let's keep this dialogue going.

by KenTX on 07/01/2008 01:15:01 PM EST

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These are lies (none / 0)

by ProfRich on 07/01/2008 01:22:38 PM EST

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let's see the quotes (none / 0)

by desertpear on 07/01/2008 01:52:32 PM EST

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See what you did (none / 0)

By asking for proof you have now caused Ken to either:

a) completely change the subject

b) pathetically and obnoxiously declare "victory"

c) go on an insane rant about how weak we all are and how none of us could have been a satisfactory son for his daddy either

d) put up a post filled with irrelevant chars and graphs, photoshopped pictures and/or articles that prove our point Ken hasn't read

or 

e) some combination of the above

Just know, when it happens, dear pear, you are to blame!

by ProfRich on 07/01/2008 02:36:57 PM EST

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how true (none / 0)

I am so sorry.  Next time I will stick with cute animal pictures for Ken and Bobo.  I think you should all join me.

by desertpear on 07/02/2008 03:06:41 AM EST

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Obama, in his own words. (none / 0)
Barack Obama’s self described problems with drugs paints a very troubling picture ideed.

"Junkie. Pothead. That's where I'd been headed: the final, fatal role of the young would-be black man," Obama wrote in his book Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance. "The highs hadn't been about that, me trying to prove what a down brother I was. Not by then, anyway. I got high for just the opposite effect, something that could push questions of who I was out of my mind, something that could flatten out the landscape of my heart, blur the edges of my memory."

"We were always playing on the white man's court . . . by the white man's rules . . . . If the principal, or the coach, or a teacher . . . wanted to spit in your face, he could, because he had the power and you didn't. . . . The only thing you could choose was withdrawal into a smaller and smaller coil of rage. And the final irony: should you refuse this defeat and lash out at your captors . . . they would have a name for that too. Paranoid. Militant. . . . Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it."

As a child, Obama spent four years in Indonesia with his step-father, a Muslim, and his mother. Between ages 6 and 8, Obama attended a local Muslim school in Jakarta; after that, he was enrolled in a Roman Catholic school. In his book Dreams Of My Father (p.142), Obama writes:
“In Indonesia, I’d spent 2 years at a Muslim school, 2 years at a Catholic school. In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell mother I made faces during Koranic studies. In the Catholic school, when it came time to pray, I’d pretend to close my eyes, then peek around the room. Nothing happened. No angels descended.”

In his more recent book, The Audacity of Hope, Obama writes (p.274), “Without the money to go to the international school that most expatriate children attended, I went to local Indonesian schools and ran the streets with the children of farmers, servants, tailors, and clerks.”

by KenTX on 07/01/2008 06:08:36 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Question: What is a madrassa? (none / 0)
Answer: “Madrassa is the Arabic word for school, any school”

by KenTX on 07/01/2008 06:22:43 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Word power (none / 0)
It's also a kind of shirt, isn't it?  I've been known to spend entire afternoons in those.

by OneHitKill on 07/01/2008 09:33:56 PM EST

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Do you go down a list of slurs? (none / 0)
"Some of Obama's detractors have highlighted his time in Indonesia -- the world's most-populous Muslim country -- in an attempt to tie him in voters' minds to Islamic extremists. News outlets, including Insight Magazine, incorrectly reported earlier this year that Obama's second school in Jakarta was an Islamic madrassa, or Koranic boarding school.

"While the public school, Sekolah Dasar Negeri 04, is mostly Muslim, it welcomes all religions. Girls don't wear headdresses and students walk around with iPods and other gadgets.

``We are open to any religion, Christian, Islam, others,'' says Herawati Burhan, 55, a religion teacher who joined the school in 1981. ``That report was probably meant to disadvantage Obama.''

The ultra liberal source of this info? Bloomberg News. Oh, and if you click on the other link, it leads to another debunking story which even features a video of his terrorist camp school...

by MedfordTim on 07/02/2008 02:55:08 AM EST

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Obama didn't have an ipod (none / 0)
When he went to school there. His entertainment consisted of kneeling East, and praying five times per day.

by KenTX on 07/02/2008 03:16:12 AM EST

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Ha ha ha ha! (none / 0)

Dog with a bone!

Did you check your email?

by MedfordTim on 07/02/2008 03:23:38 AM EST

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Where is the crack addict part? (none / 0)

I missed that.


by ProfRich on 07/01/2008 09:28:43 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Barack The Magic Junkie (none / 0)
He said he was becoming a "junkie" and a "pothead", and he had trouble affording powder cocaine. Crack is very inexpensive, and readily available.

by KenTX on 07/01/2008 10:25:12 PM EST

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So you made it up? (none / 0)

by ProfRich on 07/01/2008 11:11:41 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Wes Clark (none / 0)
Ran for President in 2004 on a single issue: he served in the military. That's it!! That's all he had to offer!!

by KenTX on 07/01/2008 01:17:33 PM EST

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So you and the GOP are liars? (none / 0)

You concede there was no attack, much less smear, on McCain's military record?

Glad we cleared that up.

by ProfRich on 07/01/2008 01:20:25 PM EST

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since no one else will do it (none / 0)
john mccain sure was quick to surrender to the North Vietnamese, how can we be sure he won't surrender to the "terrorists" too?

by ynp7 on 07/02/2008 12:37:52 AM EST

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pretty funny (none / 0)
Maybe you didn't know that his "captors" were a bunch of farmers with pitchforks who pulled him out of the water when he was drowning, because he couldn't swim with multiple serious injuries.

by KenTX on 07/02/2008 12:45:29 AM EST

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Surrender to them? (none / 0)

He is on their side now! He is openly cheering for them to succesfully attack the US.  And Ken is completely ignoring this!

And I thought embracing torture was the ultimate flip-flop! 

by ProfRich on 07/02/2008 12:50:27 AM EST

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So where was the attack on McCain's record? (none / 0)

by ProfRich on 07/01/2008 12:46:10 PM EST

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Not possible (none / 0)

You don't make Admiral in the Navy without commanding a ship - usually an Aircraft Carrier. There is a way to get to Rear Admiral through the Reserves, but it is HONORARY only, much like Rush Limbaugh's college degrees.

McCain was a fine military person. He was NOT, however, through virtue of training or temperment a person to put in command of any import.

That's the trouble with self-proclaimed "mavericks" - they want to make their OWN rules, which leads to being shot down 4 times and not following standard protocol.

We already have one of those kind of ex-Officers in the White House. How'a that been working for the country?

by MedfordTim on 07/01/2008 01:48:51 PM EST

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Couldn't be (none / 0)

No chance this Navy guy is just some right wing hack spouting shit to help his candidate so he can get his tax cut, is there?

One thing the GOP taught me in 2004 is the Navy is always lying to get their friends elected, giving them fake medals and such.

by ProfRich on 07/01/2008 02:33:47 PM EST

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Proving Tim wrong (none / 0)
I'll try to be gentle. Evidently, you can go from the rank of Captain to the rank of Admiral. How can you be a Captain without commanding a carrier? I don't think you can. I have a friend who served under McCain, and I think it was on a carrier.

by KenTX on 07/01/2008 06:42:50 PM EST

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Even gentler... (none / 0)
Captain is a rank. You can achieve being a Captain without ever setting foot on a boat. But that's as high as you will ever attain rank.

Yes, Ken, McCain was a pilot, and as such was on an aircraft carrier, since that IS where they keep the planes - but he was in a squadron, the same as I was and was not considered part of Ship's Company (and, he was a Lt. Cmdr. at the time)

As a Captain working a desk job in D,C,, the only way he would qualify for admiral would be to retire as one. In other words, he would be as much an "Admiral" as Mr. Sanders was a "Colonel." Like I said. Honorary.

BTW, dud you actually read that article you linked to? It doesn't paint a pretty picture of Saint John.

“Sometimes you had to really explain things to him and put him in a context that he really appreciated,” said former Adm. George Kinnear, Captain McCain’s Pentagon superior.

What is it about Conservatives that makes them pick the most uninterested and least knowledgeable people as their candidates? Reagan, Bush, Bush, now McCain? Losers! Don't you guys have ANYONE you can put up that can at least PRETEND to be literate?

But former Adm. Clarence A. Hill Jr., then a lobbyist for a new carrier working with Mr. McCain, said: “He was going behind the back of the secretary of the Navy. It is as simple as that.”

A war hero who doesn't believe in the chain of command? Who did he work for, Ollie North?

by MedfordTim on 07/02/2008 03:22:18 AM EST

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Ken's Military IQ (none / 0)

Apparently Ken's understanding of naval rank and command comes from watching Star Trek.

And not only do the pubs pick illiterate, uncurious losers (I assume they do this so their "leader" doesn't pay too much attention or care too much about the crimes they are committing in his name) but they take these losers and then have to endlessly lie about how great they were despite all evidence to the contrary.  Reagan was a great actor.  Bush was a great businessman.  McCain was a great naval officer and was gonna be made admiral any second.

by ProfRich on 07/02/2008 10:34:46 AM EST

[ Parent ]
My cumulus friend (none / 0)
Let it never be said that you were not tenacious.

by OneHitKill on 07/01/2008 09:35:24 PM EST

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This doesn't even begin to answer the question (none / 0)

This just restates that Clark did something bad.  And you suspect Obama is behind it (to which I agree).

It does not explain why saying someone getting shot down in a fighter plane makes them automatically qualified to be president is either wrong, an "attack!" or denigrates McCain's military record.

I know there is more to come, but please make sure it addresses what was actually said and why it is so offensive.

by ProfRich on 07/01/2008 11:42:11 AM EST

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Great observation, Dave (none / 0)

Here is my theory.

During the primaries Ken's "thought factory"  (Rush and the right wing noise machine) was temporarily misdirected at the primaries.  Ken filled the void with inane personal attacks and bizarre, psychologically revealing discourse on how he never lived up to his dad and the other kids didn't like him and picked on him.

Now that the general is in full effect he is getting his marching orders daily and has something to (re)post.

by ProfRich on 07/01/2008 10:47:34 AM EST

[ Parent ]
great link kentx (none / 0)
that sh*t was hilarious!  Where do they find these stooges????

by rev24 on 07/01/2008 01:45:51 AM EST

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Can't open youtube here (none / 0)

But is this the insane man with the looooooong criminal history of lying and fraud who has the lawyer who wears a kilt and challenged all the reporters at the press conference that he (the lawyer) had a much bigger penis than the reporters (hence the kilt because his enormous member wouldn't fit in pants).

That is the guy you're standing behind now?

NOTE: none of tha above is made up or exaggerated.  Seriosuly.

by ProfRich on 07/01/2008 10:21:47 AM EST

[ Parent ]
oh (none / 0)

by desertpear on 07/02/2008 03:12:30 AM EST

[ Parent ]
nice (none / 0)

by hazmat on 07/02/2008 10:27:10 AM EST

[ Parent ]
same shit, new diaper (none / 0)

obama's first vote in the senate was to shoot down barbara boxer's call to look into the ohio voter fraud.

then he went on to push condi through as secretary of state.

then he played chickenshit and ran from votes.

obama has always been a fuckup.  but america wants a corny-ass success story, so we're stuck with him.  god forbid we vote on substance.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

by mathcore on 07/01/2008 12:26:37 AM EST

Quick! (none / 0)
Someone get 200mg Thorazine into this guy, stat!

by bfaul on 07/01/2008 04:33:26 PM EST

[ Parent ]
The problem (none / 0)
isn't Obama "fucking up" its about an American public unable to deal with the truth. If McCain's bad piloting, and torture is enough to be president...then I hope the US elects him, he would represent the shallowness of the American psyche. Thankfully, for some reason that escapes me, I have faith that the American people are not so shallow and stupid! The real problem is  about a irrational fascisination and festishism about jingoistic nationalism which somehow justifies McCain to be president. The very discourse of American identity has to change, and don't tell me it can't because the GOP changed it since 1968. Being American in 2008 is not the same as being American in 1938!

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by Nick86 on 07/01/2008 01:21:11 AM EST

Exactly (none / 0)
Nick's exactly right. This election, especially this election is all about the independent voters. We have two candidates who both appeal to independent voters. Obama doesn't need anything to push them toward's McCain. I'm a big fan of Clark, but, him not realizing that this could potentially push independents toward McCain was just stupid.

by bradyjames on 07/01/2008 01:49:33 AM EST

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Yeah, but (none / 0)

What makes you think that Independent voters think being shot down qualifies someone for presidency?

What if they are independent enough to want a thoughtful, judgemental person in charge for a change?


STOP BUYING INTO the nonsense that TODAY'S Independent voter is a clone of what the MSM perceives a 1980 Idependent voter was. It's a different breed of cat with substantially different priorities. Stop falling for their profiling!

by MedfordTim on 07/01/2008 03:49:57 AM EST

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Independents (none / 0)

I kinda disagree.  The pool of available independents has shrunk dramatically.  If Obama can shore up those identifying as Dem,  the indies won't really matter.

The whole "Its all about the Independents refrain was true when you had a roughly 50/50 Dem/Pub split.  That is over for now.

by ProfRich on 07/01/2008 10:49:12 AM EST

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independant voters matter less now than ever (none / 0)
With Democrats leading republicans in self-identified polls of party allegiance this election is about Democratic voters and NO ONE ELSE.  The only thing that would let mccain have any chance is if Obama keeps turning off huge portions of his base for no apparent reason so that they don't even bother to show up.

by ynp7 on 07/02/2008 12:44:10 AM EST

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Yes and no (none / 0)
its about an American public unable to deal with the truth

I understand your point, but it is missing the component of RECEIVING the truth in order to get a CHANCE to deal with it. The MSM AND The 'Alternative' media took a big crap on Wes Clark and Obama brought in a backhoe to finish it off.

If the American people don't actually HEAR what was said, just get the filtered version of someone's interpretation of what he said, then there is no truth TO handle.

Hell, if getting shot at and surviving prisoner status under harsh confitions are the utmost qualifications for Prez, Mohammed Atta and Charlie Manson ought to make a run for the W.H.

I guess I'll just have to get used to the idea of another Democratic term which is more interested in appeasing Republicans than fighting for Liberal principles.

by MedfordTim on 07/01/2008 03:29:34 AM EST

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True (none / 0)
but if we know the truth what is stopping the rest? Sloth? Who's fault is it really?

Blog: http://perspectivos.blogspo t.com/

by Nick86 on 07/01/2008 12:59:17 PM EST

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Remember, surrogates are Important (none / 0)

I think some of you guys are missing the point of having surrogates. Endorsing a comment like this, especially as it has been, and will continue to be, taken out of context is a terrible idea for Obama. He needs to backtrack away from the comment while still allowing it to be circulated. 

 This allows for the comment to catch the ear of those listening and understanding its message, while not tying Obama to backing a statement that can easily be tossed around inappropriately.

by Avi on 07/01/2008 03:35:59 AM EST

You're 100% right, Avi (none / 0)
I was a little pissed at Obama, but I think we are just all mad that he has to play the game.  However, we are nowhere near a point in this country where someone could actually be elected without playing the game.  Certainly not with the media we currently have to suffer through. 

As for Clark's actual comment, I would love for those who really think it was disrespectful to EXPLAIN to all of us exactly how it was disrespectful.  I don't need insults or slogans or talking points, but an actual, honest explaination.  Be sure to include the question Clark was responding to, his full response, and details of why it was out of line.  I'll wait.

by jawill11 on 07/01/2008 10:08:51 AM EST

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Keep Wating (none / 0)

You'll be waiting forever. 

 The comments were entirely appropriate and in no way were outside of the lines of proper discourse. The McCain campaign is just upset that it infringes upon their only running point: Courage.

by Avi on 07/01/2008 10:35:51 PM EST

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courage (none / 0)
How much courage did it take for Barack to fire up that crack pipe?

by KenTX on 07/01/2008 10:42:48 PM EST

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Is that you tiny? (none / 0)
You're starting to sound like him.

by hazmat on 07/01/2008 10:50:38 PM EST

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man, that hurt (none / 0)
I'm just showing how to fight Democrat swiftboating. This is the equivalent to the attacks on Bush's Texas Air National Guard service.

by KenTX on 07/02/2008 12:29:54 AM EST

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How goes the fight? (none / 0)

Here is the BEST poll for McCain in the last two months.

Scoreboard, bitch!

Are these Republincan campaign lessons free are should we expect a bill for oyur services?

If there is one thing I hate worse than a showboater its a player who celebrates when he is losing.

Why don't you save your trash talk for when you eek out a lead in at least a single poll (its been four weeks FYI).  I know you got all excited about you big tie in the one poll while the overall average was Obama by 6-7% but act like you've been here before, for christ sakes. 

by ProfRich on 07/02/2008 12:44:56 AM EST

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Ken is a flip-flopper (none / 0)

First, prove the crack thing, liar.

Second, it probably took more courage for Barak to not fire up the imaginary crack pipe than it did for scumbag McCain to ditch his injured wife who raised his kids for his junkie younger hot rich girlfriend or to take bribes at least three times for subverting democracy.

But I will say McCain has to have giant brass balls to shamelessly change all his positions on everything almost daily.

Particularly the one on torture.  That took some stones!

Now as to Ken the flip-flopper.  In 2000 you supported the cokehead candidate, in 2004 you supported the cokehead candidate, now in 2008 you say being a cokehead is a reason NOT to vote for a candidate.  Can you clear up your position, please? 

by ProfRich on 07/01/2008 11:15:19 PM EST

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before we get started (none / 0)
Can you produce Bush admitting that he did blow? I have certainly demonstrated that Obama was a drug fiend. I like this topic, don't you? Are you still my friend?

by KenTX on 07/01/2008 11:59:19 PM EST

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oh, one more thing (none / 0)
Kitty Kelly don't count. I want a self-outing like Barack "The Junkie" Obama. K? Are we havin fun?

by KenTX on 07/02/2008 12:02:32 AM EST

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So now only confessed sins count? (none / 0)
Let's see how long you live up to that standard!

by ProfRich on 07/02/2008 12:39:18 AM EST

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only provable sins count (none / 0)
Not the imaginary ones you are offering.

by KenTX on 07/02/2008 02:41:49 AM EST

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Imaginary sins? (none / 0)

Like the rape of Juanita Brodrick.

Got it.

by ProfRich on 07/02/2008 09:55:11 AM EST

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Obama says he was a "junkie" (none / 0)
Do you think he meant heroine, crack, crystal meth, or all the above? Do you think he listened to "Hail To The Chief" while he was buzzed?

by KenTX on 07/02/2008 12:13:57 AM EST

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I think... (none / 0)
Its just as reasonable for you to assume this is proof of being a crackhead as all Bush's talk of a misspent, troubled youth (which ended when he was 35!) that he refuses to talk about means he was a giant cokehead.

by ProfRich on 07/02/2008 12:40:08 AM EST

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McBush agrees with Clark... (none / 0)
In February 2003, the Arizona Republican said "Absolutely not," when asked whether "military service inherently makes somebody better equipped to be commander-in-chief."
"Harry Truman was in the artillery in World War I, which was magnificent," he continued. "Ronald Reagan did most of his active duty in the studio lots in California. It might be a nice thing, but I absolutely don't believe that it's necessary."

VIVA KenTX!!

billo

by chrisandyasemin on 07/01/2008 08:58:02 PM EST

crack vs service (none / 0)
Smoking crack might give you a finer appreciation for the lives of street people and gang bangers, but serving as a top gun, and later as a Captain gives you a finer appreciation for war and the lives of military personnel.

by KenTX on 07/01/2008 09:07:11 PM EST

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I surrender (none / 0)

OK, you've made your point:  McCain will never turn his history of drug addiction into a qualification.  So what is he left with?  His military service is irrelevant.  His experience as a "gang banger" is also irrelevant.  Guess we'll have to judge him on the issues.

Sucks to be him. 

by OneHitKill on 07/01/2008 09:38:10 PM EST

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Then why? (none / 0)

If this is true why is McCain so incredibly shitty on veteran issues and wrong on war and national defense?

Obama's almost inconceivable advantage in judgement, intellect and basic human decency must be so large it can overcome this gap. 

by ProfRich on 07/01/2008 10:00:20 PM EST

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top gun? (none / 0)
Is that what you're called when you crash FIVE planes?

by ynp7 on 07/02/2008 12:49:02 AM EST

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Good point (none / 0)

I mean I respect his service, I really do and while we appreciate he was a fighter pilot I don't think you can argue he was a good fighter pilot.

He appears to have been a pretty shitty one, really. 

by ProfRich on 07/02/2008 12:57:28 AM EST

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The best pilots (none / 0)
like Jimmy Doolittle, Chuck Yeager, Howard Hughs were always pushing the edge of the envelope. Whether flying military training runs, test aircraft, or experimental aircraft, they were testing the extreme limitations of the equipment.

The best pilot I know crashed three planes.

Crashes happen. Good pilots walk away. 

by KenTX on 07/02/2008 02:38:55 AM EST

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So now McCain is Chuck Yeager (none / 0)

Did McCain ever break the speed of light in his experimental test plane or whatever the fuck you are talking about?

Is there anything you won't say for your goddamn tax cut?

I bet Yeager didn't crash that many non-experimental aircraft.  I bet he had a pretty good flight record outside the test pilot stuff.

Was McCain a test pilot?  Or are you suggesting he was involved in routine training missions and combat patrols in standard aircraft and just decided to do some impromptu "test piloting"?  Because that would make him insane, irresponsible and would probably be grounds for a dishonorable discharge.

by ProfRich on 07/02/2008 09:54:44 AM EST

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i'd like my money back (none / 0)

That ain't the only thing he's been messing up.  In fact, I'm on the verge of revoking my endorsement and possibly denouncing and rejecting Barack Obama.

by ynp7 on 07/01/2008 11:08:17 PM EST

Uh Oh Friends... (none / 0)
Looks like the "Good Ship Obama" is starting to take on a trickle of water...

Its only July, and the Obamabots are already beginning to de-program - That cannot be good. Apathy and not voting is whats gonna kill Obamas chances this time...

This is so fun to watch - I cant wait for November!!!

:)

by bobo1 on 07/02/2008 01:40:48 AM EST

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Whatever (none / 0)

Flip flopper.  "I LIKE OBAMA AND WILL VOTE FOR HIM IF HE IS THE NOMINEE!!!"  That's a bobo quote.  Can't wait to sit on that sinking ship with you.

Then again, is there still time for us to get Edwards back in the race?  I know you said you were a "supporter" of his as well. 

My point?  I don't really have one.  You're just full of shit is all, so spare us your doom and gloom predictions. 

by Spencer on 07/02/2008 04:51:47 AM EST

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Thou Doth Protesteth Too Loudly, Spence... (none / 0)
Either way the results come out, its fun to watch you guys crack up....

Im sensing a hint of anger in you, Spence...

You see your world crumbling around you...

Thats gotta be pretty scary, huh...

Keep on believing, my boy....

:)

by bobo1 on 07/02/2008 02:23:37 PM EST

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So long as you vote (none / 0)

I'm cool.  Can't wait to see you at the polls.

by Spencer on 07/02/2008 02:39:12 PM EST

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for Ken and Bobo (none / 0)

by desertpear on 07/02/2008 03:11:08 AM EST

Thats classic!!! (none / 0)
I'm gonna steal that picture from you. I LOVE IT!!!! Thanks! :)

by bobo1 on 07/03/2008 06:19:40 PM EST

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Barack, you're fuckin' up | 105 comments (105 topical, 0 hidden)
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