New McCain Campaign Ad

Email Print posted by KenTX 06/09/2008 01:48:03 AM EST

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Does anyone know if it’s legal for the McCain Campaign to create political advertisement from footage created by the Obama Campaign, or taken from Obama statements during the debates? There are some real jewels out there that require no editing, just the closing voice over:

“I’m John McCain, and I approve of Barack Obama saying something as stupid as this.”

Example #1
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One Question (none / 0)

 

Does this mean you're for expanding Defense spending in today's world and not engaging in diplomacy?

 

 

The American people disagree with you:

66% want to reduce our nukes, 21% want to build a missile defense shield, 44% - more than twice of America thinks too much is spent militarily than think too little is spent,

 

67% of American would like to talk with all hostile nations.

by Randomambusher on 06/09/2008 02:46:53 AM EST

You got 'em mixed up (none / 1)

Sure, it's legal, happens all the time, but I watched both of your examples and I missed the "stupid" part. You must have posted the wrong examples. These show an intelligent person making rational comments not mixing Sunnis and Shia or singing bombing songs or trying to scare Americans with false claims of Iranian weapons.

Keep looking, though. it's good exercise

by MedfordTim on 06/09/2008 03:58:48 AM EST

Free speech, not pay speech (none / 0)

An old bag of hot air can't be expected to do anything but leak hot air all over the place.  Such is Ken.  What's there to him but his finances?  As such, he's decided to lord his TYT membership over us as evidence of his grubby money.  I also encourage anybody who can afford it to contribute to the show the amount they see fit (whether they do so by buying a membership or just a t-shirt).  But it'll be a cold day in hell before I try to draw a line in the sand between "have" and "have not" in this little online community.  That'd be nothing more than a weak, transparent attempt to appear righteous.

Furthermore, Ken should know better than to continue using sentences containing the phrase "history will" when I'm within earshot.  I've taken this kind of logic apart again and again before his eyes, and yet he fails to take heed.  It's ever-increasingly in his interest to learn from these mistakes, because from where I'm sitting, history looks like it's getting ready to remember Ken as an arrogant prick whose last dying source of joy in life was bullying people anonymously on the internet.  That won't look particularly flattering on his headstone.  Neither will, "Here lies Ken.  He used to have some money."

by OneHitKill on 06/09/2008 10:14:08 AM EST

the other point is... (none / 0)
...as Dick Cheney put it, So What?

Has ANYTHING Ken ever said prevented ANYONE from posting whatever they wanted, subscriber or no? Has ANYONE taken seriously any claim to "greater status"?

Well...evidently YOU have, or you would not be so worked up about it. Dude, this is the Internet. There are going to be things said and done you don't like. TFB. Stop whining. What you're doing is the equivalent of the AFA (American Family Association) bitching about shows that might corrupt their children just because it's on. Why would you want to be like that? If you have something to discuss with Ken, do it openly. Stop sniping at the heels of other posters and grow a pair. Start your own thread about how wrong Ken is, how much he upsets you, why you think the Turks should do something and what that might be, and all the things you find wrong-headed about his thinking.

Then you can start working on mine. I like free speech - even when it's someone throwing out abuse toward someone they're complaining throws out abuse. The irony is rich, like good brown gravy it makes everything taste just a little better.

by MedfordTim on 06/09/2008 01:21:04 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Thanks Tim (none / 0)
As soon as Mark starts confusing the words "where" and "were", then we'll have confirmation of his true identity.

He just gave himself away with the gay bashing reference. That, and he becomes suddenly  illiterate every time his b/f leaves the apartment.

by KenTX on 06/09/2008 01:55:44 PM EST

[ Parent ]
I denounce and reject (none / 0)
...everything Ken just said and I'm not going to go to his church anymore, either.

by MedfordTim on 06/09/2008 02:02:54 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Tiny Mark (none / 0)
There is only one person in the entire world who obsessively stalks me 24/7, 365 days per year, and makes numerous references to gay bashing.

There can't possibly be two people like this.

Tiny, here's a pleasant thought I want to share with you. I will be blogging in liberal forums long after you've drawn your last breath, and finally succumbed to the long illness you've been battling. I'm not responsible for your condition. You should have listened to Nancy Reagan, and just said "no".

by KenTX on 06/09/2008 02:11:33 PM EST

[ Parent ]
No, there are plenty of people like that (none / 0)
Mark is not Tiny.  Tiny isn't as clever, and their writing styles are a world apart.  Ken, it may be time to acknowledge the possibility that Tiny Demon is not the only person in the world who finds you abrasive.

by OneHitKill on 06/09/2008 08:49:55 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Mark a little history (none / 0)
Ken has been here for a very long time, and in most ways he plays the perfect foil to this group.

New  people come they see some of the things Ken post and are righteously outraged. After a while most people come to understand that he works hard to set up the argument so REAL discussions sometimes happen between all the name calling and indignation.

Using conservative sites as an example is not really that compelling an argument. OF COURSE Conservative sites censor their post, because unlike sites like this they fear opposing view points and realize that their arguments can never stand up to actual discussion. One of the great things about this site is people can express themselves pretty much without fear of being censored.


Tiny Demon is only one of SEVERAL Sock Puppets of one of our current members and he's been making the same arguments and trying to get rid of Ken for a long time. To know our Tiny is to find him to be an angry, vindictive intolerant bigoted, cruel little man who attacks anyone who doesn't agree with his point of view.

He's sort of the liberal equivalent to the Religious Right, accept he just tells you to go to hell, he doesn't insist that your going there. 

After all this time he is just another part of the group, sort of like the angry drunk sitting in the corner who will make some very interesting  comments and then suddenly for no apparent reason start to scream and yell at someone for a joke he perceived as a slight taking the conversation to a sometimes hilarious place.

So you'll know, he's been plotting the take over of TYT by righteous liberals since he got here. In fact he will tell you it's a new day at TYT and all the glorious new members are going to drive away all the long timers. According to him I'm a bitter old man with a sense of entitlement. 

Bottom line is this is not a Democracy it's a site owned and operated by TYT's and they have made it clear that they choose not to edit very many post. In fact I can think of only two people who have been deleted and both of them were given all the rope they needed to hang themselves before the plug was pulled.

Attacking anyone who doesn't' agree with you 100% of the time seems the more erratic immature quality to me than Ken's provoking conversation by making outrageous statements.

Attacking Tim, who is one of the nicest individuals I have ever met on the web seems just mean spirited for the sake of being mean spirited.

Now we get the foam at the mouth tirade because as everyone who has been here awhile knows, some people just can't not get in the last word. We might even get a link to my photo and snide comment about being on a bus. (It's actually the Chunnel not to let that interfere with a perfectly good put down), because when it comes to Tiny "ain't" nobody smarter or more of a wit than he.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 06/10/2008 10:11:37 AM EST

[ Parent ]
attacking tim? Hubble? (none / 0)
What do you mean? Im just responding to him EXACTLY the way that KenTool responds to people

He is NOT the "perfect foil"
He is the perfect right wing nut case

Your insinuations that he makes the blog better are false

You keep typing the same crap

Ken Tool attacks EVERYONE that doesnt agree with him in

And yet I have never seen a post by you impugining him. Isnt that interesting?

Your characatarization of posters foaming at the mouth would pretty much sum up your long as tirade of a post now wouldnt it?

Bottom line is

NO ONE said this was anyones site
What is the point of pointing out the obvious?

Are you insane?

What is this bull shit about plotting to take over the site with liberals?

There are PLENTY of liberals that post here happily every single day. Gosh I wonder why Hubble? Could it be because its a LEFT leaning site?  That would make to much sense .

Calling everyone that disagrees with you vehemently or not a sock puppet is not only a sign of instability. its also weak sauce.

KenTx works hard to set up the argument so we should what? Admire him?  If does not take any work at all to parrot conservative talking points from Rush Limbaugh or Town Hall

Its always you 2 .. what did he give you a CD too?

I cant stand that fuggin troll or what he represents

GET OVER IT

Christ

I am not "tiny demon" but since ken tool insists on calling me that.. I decided to OWN it.

by Tiny on 06/10/2008 02:09:51 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Just so you know (none / 0)
Changing one letter in a person's name isn't really an effective insult.

What next, BenTX?  Maybe you could go with KenOK that should really get to him.  I hear tell that them there Texans don't like Oklahoma.

Palin in 2012? Bitch, please! No, really, please run in 2012, bitch. ;)

by richardshort2001 on 06/10/2008 01:29:48 PM EST

[ Parent ]
We really don't like Oklahoma (none / 0)

by ProfRich on 06/10/2008 08:24:56 PM EST

[ Parent ]
You are exactly right on MarkRussell (none / 0)
And the same 3 people will come rushing to the trolls defense.

so ignore them.

When someone types something absurd like .. a poster is trying to "turn this into a liberal site".. Take it with as many grains of salt as its worth

CENK has turned this into a liberal site

Accepting trolls because they say so is not a perquisite of posting here

Hubble doesnt mention how many of KenTools foul posts have been removed by the moderator.

Its dozens

I cant stand that troll

I cant stand what he stands for

I dont see any use for him

Im not going to apologize for that

They can get over it  (but they never do)

by Chinese Democracy on 06/10/2008 02:46:42 PM EST

[ Parent ]
When you run out of pot (none / 0)
you will start getting a little cranky and reality will creep in. You will change your happy happy tune

diude

by Tiny on 06/09/2008 09:30:36 PM EST

[ Parent ]
So, what you're saying is... (none / 0)

...I'll become more like you?

Ummm. No.

by MedfordTim on 06/09/2008 10:03:24 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Of course you wont be like me (none / 0)
That would infer that you where gay and dying of AIDS.. isnt that what your buddy kentroll posts to me?

FLAMING a blog like that is NOT ok

No matter how much pot you smoke

When I join in and start responding JUST LIKE THAT

All of a sudden Im a bad guy. Do I need to buy you a CD too?  Then you will defend me no matter how indefensable ?

by Tiny on 06/10/2008 02:13:46 PM EST

[ Parent ]
No DVD needed (none / 0)

I WILL defend your right to post, no matter how silly the post is. The SAME as I would for Ken. Or Ghandhi, or George Bush, or Dave Koller, or Adolph Hitler, or anyone in-between.

You keep mixing content with access.

by MedfordTim on 06/10/2008 02:32:16 PM EST

[ Parent ]
You keep mixing (none / 0)
"the right to post" with reality

by Chinese Democracy on 06/10/2008 02:42:10 PM EST

[ Parent ]
So, if I said... (none / 0)

In fact, history will remember American Conservatives of the 20th century as the most vile, worthless bunch of cocksuckers who ever lived in this country.

I'm just wondering - is this bad, too? I only have a basc level membership, but honestly, I thought they were vile cocksuckers before I started paying dues.

So, Mark, since none of what you brought up is in this post of Ken's, are you just on the warpath against him? Hounding him, maybe? Are you suggestin g the Turks "denounce and reject" Ken? Is that what you think the Turks stand for?

If you have a problem with Ken, it's YOUR problem. Not the Turks or the Forum. It is extremely easy to skip over posts by people you don't want to encounter. I used to do it with acroso's all the time because his lunacy drove me nuts. You might try doing the same with Ken's posts. Stay pissed or get over it - your choice.

by MedfordTim on 06/09/2008 10:33:15 AM EST

Na (none / 0)

It used to be fun. Ken used to be our own personal punching bag with Rush's face painted on it. Now he just spews a bunch of crap and long time posters are getting tired of it.

He now realizes that the same people who he defended all these years ran an old school "hit and run" on his ass (and ours) have made their money and are going to move off shore to places like Dubai and leave him and the rest of us to pay the check and they don't give a squat if the Republican party suffers for it. Some of us saw the "hit and run" coming and tried to warn Ken. Don't worry Ken, I'm sure the will send you a post card with them smiling, waiving with their right hand and giving you the finger with their left.

Ken's beloved Rush is drooling over the idea of an Obama presidency so he can go on the offensive and boost his ratings again. Playing defense does not make for good winger radio and it doesn't take a genius to figure that one out and Ken feels betrayed.

Now all we get is a Ken who blows smoke in a bunch of lunatic rants in an attempt to find some relevancy. 

by z1p101 on 06/09/2008 01:14:19 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Scooby says "Arrooh?" (none / 0)
"Ken used to be our own personal punching bag..."
I can't help but think Ken would look at it from a different POV about who is getting the compustat numbers.

Now all we get is a Ken who blows smoke in a bunch of lunatic rants in an attempt to find some relevancy.

I'm sorry, as opposed to when exactly?


I can hear him chuckling now...

by MedfordTim on 06/09/2008 02:12:33 PM EST

[ Parent ]
MedfordTim (none / 0)

I know you guys are personal friends and I understand why you would want to defend him.

I know Ken likes to play the "hey, I'm just entertaining myself here" game and sometimes he is and sometimes he isn't.

He is starting to loose his cool more often than usuals lately and I find that interesting. 

by z1p101 on 06/09/2008 02:29:13 PM EST

[ Parent ]
I think that's a first! (none / 0)

I'm not sure that saying someone has ALWAYS been blowing smoke can be considered a defense, but...okay.

I don't know about anyone else, but I freely admit that there is a part of me with an ear to ear unwipeable grin at the way the Republicans have unravelled over the last four years, and I'm enjoying every second. As miserable as I was when Bush got the second term, that's how pleased I am these days. And if people of a Right Wing philosophy sputter and bluster, I understand, They stand helpless as they see it washing away before them, as I did in the 80's. And the 90's. And the start of this millenium. Hee hee hee...

So, in defending Ken's speech patterns is a win-win for me - I uphold the tenets of the Constitution and America as I see them AND I get to watch Ken go insane.

Is that so wrong?

I say, savor every piece of madness which comes your way because you never know when the unwashed masses who rarely pay attention are going to do a 180 and put more fascists in charge. Enjoy every second that it is here.

Hee hee hee...

by MedfordTim on 06/09/2008 03:06:52 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Go smoke some more pot (none / 0)
and shut the fuck up Medford

You the trolls mommy or something?

Ken tool gets pissed when his possse doesnt defend his foul ignorant rantings.  I guess you are all to eager to fullill that postion.

I cant stand the fucker.
If you have a problem with that

Fuck off

by Chinese Democracy on 06/09/2008 02:56:27 PM EST

[ Parent ]
I'm rubber (none / 0)
...you know the rest...

by MedfordTim on 06/09/2008 03:08:25 PM EST

[ Parent ]
any asshole (none / 0)
That reads that tools posts and then defends them

well you know the rest

hey are you one of those "freeloaders" that ken tool refers to?

Or does he pay for you?

by Chinese Democracy on 06/09/2008 03:21:03 PM EST

[ Parent ]
You or him - doesn't matter (none / 0)

I'll defend BOTH of your's right to post. I'm big that way.

I WAS a freeloader until just a couple of months ago, and no, Ken doesn't pay for me. Although he did send me a terrific Bob Dylan DVD a couple of years back, and THAT'S why I stick up for his posting what he wants to.

It has nothing whatsoever with my belief in freedom of speech, or the fact that he has supported The Young Turks for many years, or that I don't feel threatened by his words.

Nope. It's all because of the DVD. I'm easy AND cheap.

Now, since you seem to have time on your hands, count up the number of times I have supported Ken's position on a subject as opposed to defending his posting. There is a difference, you know.

Or, maybe you don't....

by MedfordTim on 06/09/2008 03:37:00 PM EST

[ Parent ]
I could care less how many times you defended (none / 0)
his right to post. Its bull shit.  He has a right to leave too. If I buy him a dvd think he will?

You are his buddy and all
At least that explains why you jump through hoops to defend him.

Ill just blame your stupid stance on being stoned all the time.

by Chinese Democracy on 06/09/2008 05:37:46 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Okay, have it your way. (none / 0)

I'll stoop to that level, I don't mind.

You can go fuck a goat for all I care, you intolerant son of a bitch. Who the fuck do you think you are telling people who can and who can't post? Start your own forum, ya insignificant bastard.

YOU can leave as easily as anyone else.

No one forces you to respond to his, mine, or anyone else's post. You choose to. So, take your posts, fold them three times, and stick them up your ass (sharp sides out).

I jump through hoops to defend anyone wishing to post their thoughts. Even yours, you twit. Yes, even the stupidly phrased, badly worded insults you throw at people for no reason - I even defend those.

I'm just that kind of guy.

So, fuck off and have a rotten day!


There.  Happy now?

by MedfordTim on 06/09/2008 08:10:34 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Stupidly worded? (none / 0)
How would you know?

There are way more people that have expressed their disatisfaction with that troll than defended it.

There are hundreds of people logged in here at any one time.One is defending the troll

do the math after you come down
and then find some place else you can have your mutual admiration society.

This is not Democracy
its a blog

you fucking moron

by Tiny on 06/09/2008 09:05:31 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Yeah, it's a blog (none / 1)

...but it sure as hell ain't your blog.

"Stupidly worded" as in trying to put forth the idea that I have defended Ken's thoughts and ideas as opposed to defending his right - yes, right, by virtue of being here and contributing, albeit in his own unique voice - to post them. Maybe an utter ass like yourself prefers to only be in places where no one disagrees, has an alternative thought, or has an unusual sense of humor - I don't know what your motivation is. Quite possibly it is exactly the same as Ken's.

If you're an example of how people act when they're straight; thanks for the warning. I'll stay at my higher level, thank you very much. The people are friendlier, wiser, and just all around more pleasant beings.

Instead of harboring such anger and animosity, why not come down a little yourself? Jump down off that Trojan Horse and stop acting like a spoiled child. Wah wah wah.

I've got nothing against you. I've got nothing against Ken. All three of us post outrageous things on a regular basis. Ken and I have found a way to make a running joke about how wrong we think the other is. I have seen nothing but vitriol in both of your two's exchanges.

Ken can push buttons easily. Why do you let it get to you? Did he shoot you in the face on a hunting trip? Has he raped your dog? Or has that meanie called you some names? What, you can't make or take jokes? You can't turn something around on somebody and show how foolish they're acting? All you can do is attack like a pekingese in love with a dust mop?

So you both go over the top. You don't have to keep it on a downward slide. It's up to you.

And you know what? If I AM a lone voice in the wilderness as you claim, well then good for me and shame on you. I refuse to be at the end of a cautionary tale ("First they came for the ...") We are finally coming out of one of the darkest periods America has had to suffer through - at times I have wondered if the basic belief in the tenets of the Constitution would make it through the Bush years. People have been so accepting of everything that has come along. But I have seen the opening of eyes, movement of the body politic and felt the stirring of souls lost far too long as of late. We are on the verge of significant progress, and I will be DAMNED if I substitute another form of tyranny for the one I have now! I will not allow you to force this sort of "Father Knows Best" nonsense without protest. I stand on the side of those who defend speech - and I'm proud to do it.

by MedfordTim on 06/09/2008 10:00:19 PM EST

[ Parent ]
blah blah blah (none / 0)
go smoke something

by Tiny on 06/10/2008 02:00:54 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Er Umm (none / 0)
Please behave yourselves do not insert the obvious gay joke here.

by z1p101 on 06/10/2008 02:59:48 PM EST

[ Parent ]
I really thought... (none / 0)

the "pekingese in love with a dust mop" line was going to at least garner some groans.

You people are no fun.

by MedfordTim on 06/10/2008 10:20:57 PM EST

[ Parent ]
I am a huge Dylan fan (none / 0)

Seriously.

I'm not saying anything, just saying. 

by ProfRich on 06/10/2008 01:26:54 AM EST

[ Parent ]
You're exercising free speech (none / 0)
Using racial slurs to impugn my Mexican ancestry. If we're to accept this from a freeloader who refuses to make financial contributions to TYT, is it OK if a long term, loyal, paying customer blogs from a conservative point of view? You're intolerance makes you the quintessential liberal.

by KenTX on 06/09/2008 10:41:32 AM EST

I have intolerence ken tool (none / 0)
Of right wing nut cases that think they can bash anyone for anything then complain when others do the same thing to them.

No one is begging you for money ken tool. Dont pay and go away.

Oh I see another person is tiny

Your ignorance and paranoia used to be funny
Now its just old. Like your posts.

by Chinese Democracy on 06/09/2008 02:53:10 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Oh Tiny, you're just mad (none / 0)
That I exposed another one of your sock puppets. Here's a hint for your future nics. Don't make them care about gay rights. Its a dead giveaway, because only about one in a million people care about stuff like that. C-ya!

by KenTX on 06/09/2008 03:24:09 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Im not mad boboTX (none / 0)
Im amused that every time someone gets the better of you you accuse them of being the mythical tiny. You must be really afraid of that person.

C ya? Is that a promise?

by Chinese Democracy on 06/09/2008 05:31:55 PM EST

[ Parent ]
And Ken is not Bobo (none / 0)
Chinese Democracy, I'm willing to accept the premise that you are also not Tiny Demon.  But you have to drop this BoboTX thing.  They are obviously not the same person.  Their both clowns, and they both have ridiculous crap to say, but come on.  The earth is crawling with people like that.

by OneHitKill on 06/09/2008 08:58:40 PM EST

[ Parent ]
you know what One Hit (none / 0)
I dont give a shit who you think I am

If I think Bobo and ken Tool are the same person

What the fug do you care?

by Tiny on 06/10/2008 02:15:04 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Some people are rude. Get over it! (none / 0)
Goodbye, Tiny.

by OneHitKill on 06/10/2008 09:48:44 PM EST

[ Parent ]
lets see, gay rights...OMG!!! (none / 0)
I just realized I am a Chinese Democracy sock puppet.

:)

Palin in 2012? Bitch, please! No, really, please run in 2012, bitch. ;)

by richardshort2001 on 06/09/2008 11:27:11 PM EST

[ Parent ]
The authority on intolerance (none / 0)

Oh! Oh! Oh! [hand raised]

Question.  If "KenMX" impugns your Mexican ancestry (¡arriba!), then doesn't "KenTX" do the same to your Texan ancestry?

by OneHitKill on 06/09/2008 08:54:44 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Have to get Ken's back (none / 0)

Not that what I think means anything, Mark, but as a native Texas who works with middle and low income kids, I was particularly offended by you seemingly using "Mx" as an insult.

But Ken is wrong about everything else, I agree!  :-) 

by ProfRich on 06/09/2008 09:45:02 PM EST

[ Parent ]
<333 (none / 0)

Ken - I just want you to know I love you and you should never leave.

You're hilarious and lovable.

What's a batting cage without the pitching machine?

by Randomambusher on 06/10/2008 02:10:04 AM EST

[ Parent ]
What are your motives for attacking Obama, Ken? (none / 0)
Is it because he will remove troops from harms way in Iraq? 

Do you want them to stay there, and be tortured or killed as a punishment for what you suggested are "murders" they committed when you spread terrorist propaganda here?

Palin in 2012? Bitch, please! No, really, please run in 2012, bitch. ;)

by richardshort2001 on 06/09/2008 12:57:25 PM EST

Ken (none / 0)
You know you want to be on the winning side.  Obama isn't really all that liberal.  Why not have a little sip of Koolaid and join us?  If you donate $25 to the campaign this week, your contribution will be matched as a first-time donor.  Even you probably are pissed at having McCain as your candidate.

by desertpear on 06/09/2008 02:33:58 PM EST

surprise! (none / 0)
I voted for Obama in the Texas Primary. No jokin'. If he wins in November, I'm cool with it. A single political party has won the WH three times in a row only once in the last 60 years. This is not our year. If we gotta lose, Obama is the guy I want to lose to. He will be more fun than a barrel full of monkeys.

by KenTX on 06/09/2008 03:18:32 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Oh brother (none / 0)

Ken, this is not an 8 or year 12 itch. The GOP is doomed because they have lost there way.

Even Tom Delay understands that. 

 

by z1p101 on 06/09/2008 03:38:29 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Republicans (none / 0)
had a way?

Blog: http://perspectivos.blogspo t.com/

by Nick86 on 06/09/2008 04:06:53 PM EST

[ Parent ]
I can't believe it, but... (none / 0)
I am also going to defend Ken.  Ken, Tim and I were all here when TYT was on Siruis and there were Discussion Forums instead of blogs on this site (not sure who else has been here that long since folks changed their usernames).  As all other posters, your status is not defined as to whether or not you pay.  You should pay if you can afford it, but if you can't, then that's fine.  Ken is kind of trolly, but he's been more entertaining than Ass-croso and other idiots like the old Dr. Oz.  Give Ken a break.  I wouldn't be posting at all if it weren't for people like Ken (as misguided as he is) having a different opinion than the rest of us.  If we all agreed all the time what kind fun would that be?  None.

"Like lipstick on a pig"

by TJD on 06/09/2008 03:48:37 PM EST

Jesus Lord have mercy! (none / 0)

Oh dear God, what have we done? What kind of insane black man have we chosen to compete against John "The One" McCain III?

OMG! 

Ken, you have just crushed every liberal's hope of seeing Obama in the White House.

...

Seriously, what else can you say when somthing irrelevant as this comes up? 

by Cogitor on 06/09/2008 05:11:50 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Sorry (none / 0)
Sorry, TJD, this should have been posted unter the main article. I misclicked.

by Cogitor on 06/09/2008 05:13:18 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Remember when Ken was Ku Klux Klam? (none / 0)

Good times.

Does that qualify me as an old-timer? 

by ProfRich on 06/10/2008 01:28:18 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Hey Asshole!!! (none / 0)
I the ONLY Klan Member on this blog - and dont you forget it!!!!!!

<I:)

(does anyone know how do make a Klan hat emoticon?)

Boy, im asking the wrong crowd!!!!

nevermind...

:0

by bobo1 on 06/10/2008 01:53:56 AM EST

[ Parent ]
That was actually really funny (none / 0)
In my head Ken is Mr. Garrison and bobo is Mr. Hat.

by ProfRich on 06/10/2008 02:10:19 AM EST

[ Parent ]
I prefer... (none / 0)
Mr. Twig, personally...

Or perhaps Im Theo and Ken could be Twikie...

Lets see how big a geek you really are!!


dubi dubba
(:))



by bobo1 on 06/10/2008 02:56:13 AM EST

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Mr. Twig I know (none / 0)
Theo and Twikie, you outgeeked me there.  My geek expertise is pretty limited to Marvel.

by ProfRich on 06/10/2008 09:51:39 AM EST

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Buck Rogers!!!! (none / 0)


Twiki is the robot, Theo is the smart glowing thing on his chest!

:)

by bobo1 on 06/10/2008 11:19:56 AM EST

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lol (none / 0)
I nominate this thread for inclusion in a TYT orientation for new members.

by desertpear on 06/10/2008 12:43:24 PM EST

My two cents (none / 1)

Its a shame that this thread went so wildly off the mat in just about two posts flat, but it is what is. I got no beef with Ken. He occasionally says things that are flat out uncalled for like the vile cocksuckers comment, but given the shear volume of posts, its not surprising one of those creeps in once in a while. Hell, I go over the top myself occasionally. But that's natural isn't it? We're talking about politics, after all. (I reserve the right to whip out my flamethrower at a moments notice).

 

I don't like the way CD hounds Ken because it doesn't seem very productive. So, I don't encourage it. And more to the point, if I can agree with Hubble waaaay up there in the thread, the boards go silent when Ken isn't posting regularly. This has made me wonder sometimes if Ken is actually a paid staffer with a made-up identity. I'm only bolstered in my belief by the absurdity of some of Ken's statements. Of course, that's ridiculous, but that's one of the things I love about this medium--the unknown. But regardless of who Ken is or his motives, I welcome his presence.

by hazmat on 06/10/2008 02:29:20 PM EST

Oh give me a break (none / 1)
 I dont "hound" anyone

Not productive? Oh you mean like a right wing nut job posting on a liberal blog?

The blogs dont " go dead"  because ken tool doesnt post.

Where did you even get that idea? Must be alot of people arent that thrilled with ken troll because the same people respond to him  .. over and over.. and its a very few people in comparison to the number of people that post.. or are even here at any given time.

Im not going to be framed as the bad guy because I dont like trolls and that one in particular.

You never really explained WHY you "welcome his presence" let me guess you have been here a long time and you are a libertarian type right?

by Chinese Democracy on 06/10/2008 02:37:21 PM EST

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No, not really (none / 1)
Look CD, just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I'm a libertarian. I think the libertarians have some excellent solutions to specific problems, and terrible ones to others, but that's a subject for another thread. I don't think you're the "bad guy" and I'm occasionally sympathetic to your posts. My intention with this post wasn't to pile on you as the villain, just to voice my opinion. I think Ken is an extremist with a sense of humour. He has the ability to laugh at liberal jokes, when they're funny, and usually counters with something equally funny. Often what you take to be insulting has me in stitches. Having a sense of humor carries a premium for me. For one thing, if something makes you laugh, its usually because there's a grain of truth that we can agree on, however distorted. Ken is willing to have a conversation if you are, and finding atoms of common reality with your fellow Americans is the essence of a good conversation. He's also willing to trade insults, if that's what you're into. That seems to be your M.O., so maybe you should thank ken for providing the service. He's pretty good at it.

by hazmat on 06/10/2008 02:49:53 PM EST

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Ok try this one for size (none / 1)


by Chinese Democracy on 06/10/2008 02:54:25 PM EST

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Nobody gives a shit.... (none / 1)
about what you want, asshole - join the club!!!!!

I would prefer to have my blog free of kool aid drinking fudge packing HIV magnets, but I guess we just dont live in a perfect world, do we?

Sucks to be the rest of us, I guess!

"Somebody shut him up or shut him down!!!!!" - Han Solo in The Empire Strikes Back

:)

by bobo1 on 06/11/2008 03:23:29 AM EST

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Of course (none / 0)

You must have seen this thread as a Hate-Off competition or something.  Well, I've got some good news...  You won!  Pick up your prizes at the door.

by Spencer on 06/11/2008 02:31:50 PM EST

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Yes! (none / 0)

I feel like I'm blowing the guy because I've said it a thousand times now, but Ken IS funny.  The gay bashing stuff is obviously over the top, and I've said as much to him. 

I don't know what CD thinks the solution to this is, but we simply can't throw one of the four people who get my jokes off of the site.

And on the discussion above, defending someone's right to say something isn't AT ALL the same as defending what they're actually saying.  It should be obvious to everyone. 

by Spencer on 06/10/2008 03:14:52 PM EST

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I get your jokes, man (none / 0)

by ProfRich on 06/10/2008 08:39:36 PM EST

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Make it five then. You can stay. (none / 0)

by Spencer on 06/10/2008 09:10:13 PM EST

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I don't get it (none / 0)

(This is where you reply with a header that says "Sigh...okay, back to four...")

by MedfordTim on 06/10/2008 10:14:36 PM EST

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Sigh... (none / 0)
okay, back to...  LINE!?!

by Spencer on 06/11/2008 01:24:34 AM EST

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When all around you see one thing (none / 0)
Well no matter whether you "hound" Ken are not is not really important.

Let's see you have been Tiny Demon, V, Grave Dancer, and I'm sure I've forgotten a few besides the current CD Internet multiple personality disorder?

For a while I actually began to think you had started to grow up, but alas that was not the case, you're still the same bratty little immature obnoxious person you've always "chosen" to be.

The biggest difference between you and Ken as that when Ken has taken it over the top he has on more than one occasion apologized and tried to explain himself. You on the other hand insult everyone who doesn't agree with you, never apologize and eventually alienate everyone.

What's interesting besides you never seeing a post of me impugning him is that I have never seen a post of you trying to act like a mature adult and engage in a serious conversation with anyone who doesn't share your views.

In a nut shell your post boil down to conservatives suck, they are evil, I hate them, I hate anyone who talks to them, I hate you, I hate him, I HATE, I HATE, I HATE, HATE, HATE, HATE. FUCK EVERYONE, IT'S GOT TO BE MY WAY, IT'S A NEW DAY, WE ARE TAKING OVER AND IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH ME WE WILL HATE YOU TOO.

Do I foam at the mouth? Sometimes, but not nearly as much spittle filled rants you go on.

NO ONE said this was anyones site
What is the point of pointing out the obvious?

Well, Cenk on more than one occasion has said everyone is welcome to post here, yet you spend an inordinate amount of time and energy trying ranting about who should be posting here.


What is this bull shit about plotting to take over the site with liberals?

Oh Tiny do we need to dance that dance


about the regs.. (none / 1)
hey aren't quit comfortable with the notion that TYT are moving more to the left of the spectrum.

They can be easily manipulated and baited they seem quite insecure.

They don't have any true convictions, sense of place or interesting lives.  They are all ex republcans or libertarians or  attended an ultra conservative College etc.  Not one of them is a true liberal.


There is more but I'm just to lazy to dig them out, but we all remember the rants.

Of course the regs he was referring to include Jarrett, MrFred, MedfordTim, OneHitKill, and anyone who has ever disagreed with him.
Finally if you really don't think you stalk Ken how do you explain the inordinate amount of post that actually contain his name in the title?


http://www.theyoungturks.co m/user/Tiny%20Demon/comment s

I'm not saying I'm just saying.

I'm beginning to suspect that your like a neglected child who will misbehave just to get attention.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 06/10/2008 03:32:10 PM EST

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SEX AND HOOKERS! (none / 0)
Thought I would lighten it up a little.  I see this whole discussion as being completely stupid.  While Ken is akin to a Christopher Guest movie, CD seems to be akin to a snuff film.  Both can be shown in the same theater, but maybe not together on the same screen.  I think you should just ignore each other so we can move on.  Stop being a big whiny cry-baby, CD.  Free Speech.

"Like lipstick on a pig"

by TJD on 06/11/2008 01:17:49 PM EST

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