Democratic business as usual

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There is nothing new to see here, move on by. Democrats find a slim ray of truth shining through, Republican launch a smear, Democrats bow the head and cave. What has Obama shown that is different?

It may be difficult for some people to 'get' the level of frustration with the new 'general candidate' Obama. You hear all the pundits saying, "He has to move to 'the center' now that he's in the general election."

I say, "Not so fast."

The main problem with the Democrats and their losing ways, embodied in this spineless Democratically controlled congress, is their inability to stand together and stand up to the right wing.

That is the frustration we have all felt. They talk the good talk, they stand and pontificate, but when the Republicans make the hint that they might not be pleased, they cave and vote Republican. This is the whole of it, acting from fear instead of acting from principle. FISA is a very important issue. It sets the standard for what we will tolerate. Will we allow a President to act outside the law? Will we allow him to tell a corporation to engage in illegal activities? No accountability for a President partnering with a corporation to perform illegal actions, activities SPECIFICALLY stated in the CONSTITUTION? This isn't littering on the sidewalk or jay walking. The founding fathers felt it was important.

Obama said he would not allow immunity. He said he would filibuster if needed. And then, for who cares what reason, he folded. He has only one losing issue against McCain. Gen. Clark, a very honorable man, with a bio remarkably similar to Obama's, whose resume includes expertise to tackle Obama's one negative, went out to take that issue head on. The progressive base couldn't believe what a true hero Gen. Clark was for doing this. How Brilliant!

Not so fast, the right wing mischaracterized what he said, started a smear campaign, and our bright shining new leader for change, Obama, ACCEPTS their mischaracterization and reacts to that, throwing Clark under the bus. A man with more integrity than all the right wing combined. And this is the latest demonstration of the legendary Obama judgment? I am sick of this pattern. There is nothing new to see here, move on by. Democrats find a slim ray of truth shining through, Republican launch a smear, Democrats bow the head and cave.

What has Obama shown that is different?

I have heard it said over and over, that for the Democrats to win they need an energized base. Throwing cold water on that base seems to be counter productive to me. And if you have heard callers and hosts on progressive radio, or read any progressive blogs, you know the base is not happy. Obama is falling into the same right wing trap they have all fallen into. How sad.

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Cenk and RJ made these exact points on the show yesterday. I think bobo was trying to say the same thing too in some previous threads, in his own special way. I'm willing to suspend judgement for a while but it's not looking good, is it?

by hazmat on 07/01/2008 11:07:35 AM EST


There is a saying about an infinite number of Bobos typing on an infinite number of typewriters for eternity...

by OneHitKill on 07/01/2008 01:24:13 PM EST

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I think we can say that after an infinite number of posts bobo has disproven these theories.  The stuff he types has remained stubbornly pointless.

by bfaul on 07/01/2008 02:46:08 PM EST

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Even IF Obama is gaming the election, as others have suggested, that "throwing cold water on the base" has definitely affected my support for him the past week.  At least in terms of enthusiasm.  He needs to continue to stand up to the right IN PUBLIC or he is just another politician to me.  If he wants to continue to draw dollars from his supporters, he can't be running to the center.

by desertpear on 07/01/2008 12:45:56 PM EST


If he thinks that the FISA bill was just one more
issue. If he believes it is one more thing to be sacrificed
to expediency. He has no core values. What's next, torture? Habeas corpus?

He can tell me how my ass tastes.

by beelzibub on 07/01/2008 05:18:47 PM EST


I'm not sure yet whether to be done with Obama.  He's clearly got, at best, a floppy spine.  But the election shouldn't really be about him, anyway.  The election should be about a Democratic victory in Congress and the White House, combined with pressure from the progressive base to get the Dems to act as if they had courage.

I've been thinking about some talking points I want to see bubble up in the media before FISA comes up again.  Feingold has bought us some time, and we should use it.  It's pointless for liberal bloggers to yell at each other about POed they are, because the MSM dismisses that.  The right kind of talking heads have to appear on TV to present those sentiments in a way that confers legitimacy on those points.  With luck, a new frame can be established which makes it a little bit harder for people to support Bush.

I've kind of been thinking of emailing my desired talking points to a bunch of the Senators and Reps who are good on FISA.  I'd have to do a little more homework to spell out my arguments as to why my points are valid.  They'll probably ignore them, but what else can I do?

My desired talking points (in no particular order):
1. Congress has already tried to protect the telecoms from some of the consequences of litigation, but the White House won't settle for any arrangement that risks discovery of what they've been up to.
2. Republican alarmism on this issue should be regarded skeptically, considering Mukasey has already lied about how a wiretap could have prevented 9/11.
3. The administration has been bad on port security, funding law-enforcement, and protecting nuclear and chemical targets in the US, so is in no position to lecture on security needs.
4. Although the courts have imposed a requirement for warrants that should be corrected with new legislatiom, there is no surveillance that the administration is completely prevented from doing under the current law.
5. Granting amnesty to those who ignored the need for warrants sets a precedent that, in future, warrants will never truly be necessary; the administration can simply pressure Congress to clean up after it.
6. The telecoms were not altruistically patriotic: they got perks for cooperating, and Qwest was punished for demanding that the government meet the requirements of the law before violating its customers' privacy.
7. People are actually pretty supportive of FISA as it now stands (I'd have to find some polls to back that up).
8. The issue isn't whether we will have security; the issue is whether we will have warrants.  Democrats should want us to have both.

That's all.

by thebug on 07/01/2008 11:24:04 PM EST


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