I met one of the elusive "undecided voters" today!

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I was at a friend's house in Damascus, Oregon today, sorta south of Portland.  While we were watering her front yard, one of her neighbors from across the street asked if she wanted to see his puppy--a three-month-old hoss of a yellow lab (I'm practicing for when I move to Texas).  "Say, I see at least one of you is an Obama supporter, right?"

Wait, there's more...

My friend Kev (female) had just swiped my new Obama yard sign from the back of my truck, which also had an Obama bumper sticker on it.  We told him we were both definitely voting for Obama, and her husband said he was too, and then he asked us how to pronounce his first name--"is it Bare-ack?"   Wow, this guy was seriously uninformed!  He was a nice guy in his mid- to late-40s, with a son about nine?  While we played with his puppy, he continued to ask us what we thought about Obama.  We asked who he was voting for and he said the following:

"I'm not voting for either one yet.  I don't really know enough about Obama. "I know the country isn't going in the right direction, and I want change, but I'm a little afraid of too much change, in case things get worse." 

I told him why I was supporting Obama.  I have followed his career since before he was a senator, and I believe that he is on the whole a very intelligent man, who has stayed fairly true to his political path, with perhaps the normal mild pandering to special interests in his state while being senator.  I said he has fairly moderate views in terms of liberal vs conservative, and is even too conservative for many democrats in some respects (I wanted Edwards, and there goes the idealistic youth vote!).  But I respect Obama and to me there is really no contest.  Today's McCain is not the McCain of years past, but a tool of the republican party that has changed his position to match every mandate of the conservative christian right since getting the nomination.  (I really think it was an unexpected win on his part and he's not up to the task.)  I just have lost a lot of respect for the man in this campaign, sadly.  Perhaps he will go back to being a decent senator after all this.

He wanted to know what we thought about Rezco, and my friend and I said we thought that had mostly been cleared up.  Then he asked "Why does the media call him an 'African-American' if he is half white?  He's a mulatto, right?" I said that I thought 'mulatto' probably sounded a little too much like a slur, as if trying too hard to label a person by race. Clearly, this man would rather be voting for someone that was at least half white.  My friend Kev told him she thought he was a pretty normal guy no matter what color he was--sort of a humanist christian egghead nerd, yet a shrewd and smart politician.

In the end, I told him that he should make up his mind when the candidates select their VPs, because I felt confidant that Obama would have the better partner--whether Hillary, Chris Dodd, Wes Clark, or some other very experienced and well-respected person, likely with military or foreign policy cred of some sort, and that McCain was probably going to have to pick someone like Romney--another unexciting loser of the panderbear mold.  

Basically, it comes down to the fact that if we want our vote to count in this election, we have to choose between these two men.  Although I don't agree with Obama on everything, I never really expected I would, and this presidential vote will still be the easiest in my 30 years of voting.  This guy just needed a little reassurance that Barack wasn't a Black Panther, because deep down, he hated what the republicans had done to our great country. 

I don't notice the Republicans infighting like the dems, and we need to be aware that this perception of a united front has been effective in the past at winning elections.  Let's not lose this one kids.  Keep some perspective.

 

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Chris Dodd would be awesome.  He's veep'd up from the feet up.

by Spencer on 07/11/2008 05:20:30 AM EST


Dodd was late-breaking good news for this west coast night owl.

by desertpear on 07/11/2008 05:43:53 AM EST

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Are you coming down 5 on your way back or flying?

by MedfordTim on 07/11/2008 10:46:44 AM EST


"...had just swiped my new Obama yard sign from the back of my truck"

Yeaaaahhhh....I guess that pretty much answers that "fly" question, doesn't it?

 Lesson learned - don't post questions until AFTER the second cup, TIm...

by MedfordTim on 07/11/2008 11:03:29 AM EST

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I would like a flying truck though.  Actually, it was yesterday that I was there, and just for the day, plus some good burgers.  You are on the Sandy River there?  My company did some of the sediment modeling for the Marmot and Little Sandy dam removals, and I was involved years ago on some of the early analysis of potential benefits to the anadromous fish there.

by desertpear on 07/11/2008 02:44:02 PM EST

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No, I really am in Medford. I thought you lived in the Mojave, for some reason, and would be traveling Southerly, but instead you headed for the land of sky blue waters. My mistake

 

by MedfordTim on 07/11/2008 02:52:12 PM EST

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I'm always thinking of moving to the Mojave. 

by desertpear on 07/11/2008 06:44:46 PM EST

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My only criticism is that you didn't slam him with one of The 3 Facts.

The last one really.

by ihavenobias on 07/11/2008 02:46:59 PM EST


I'll have my friend pass on some info to her neighbor.  Sometimes you can't think of everything.  But I think this man was more concerned with overall integrity, which is why I focused on that.

by desertpear on 07/11/2008 02:55:30 PM EST

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stop being friends with republicans. hurt them for their crimes against humanity in the 2000 and 2004 elections. let them suffer the consequences of their actions.

by neo on 07/11/2008 02:49:52 PM EST


What the hell are you talking about?  My friends are voting for Obama.  The neighbor was undecided. 

by desertpear on 07/11/2008 02:52:45 PM EST

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Desertpear, sounds like you did a pretty decent job of talking to that neighbor - giving him some facts, not rhapsodizing about Obama, suggesting thinking points for him to ponder. It's not an easy thing is it? I work with dozens of people who've been indoctrinated from childhood to believe everything their preacher tells them, never question authority, avoid anything outside of their tight little conservative circle (Satan might be lurking) and who live with TVs turned on in their homes all the time. Of course, Fox is their news source, because it allows them to not have to do any dodgy analysis or critical thinking.

So when these folks start parroting nonsense they've picked up on Fox or at the parking lot discussions after Sunday night prayer meeting, it's always a challenge to maintain civil relationships with them. Especially when you want to jump up and down screaming because they are being so utterly stupid and self-defeating. How anyone can still be undecided in this political season is beyond my comprehension, and I have got to believe they are not very bright, so it is even trickier to get my information across without coming off as too threatening to their concrete little worlds.

For me, it's an exercise in subtlety - I think someone once called it the elevator conversation strategy. Keep talking in their presence to people who agree with you on your views. Acknowledge some of McCain's strengths, some of Obama's shortcomings, a few things that frustrate you about politics in general, but that overall, Obama's a better choice for such and such reasons.

I still want to grab these folks by the collar and drag them back to reality, but the Borg Collective is pretty powerful, especially when they are getting bombarded by their preacher at church. And when you are raised to  mistrust your decision-making ability, then church for these folks is one of the few places they feel a sense of certainty in an otherwise frightening world.

Rove and Reed have been very effective over the last 15-20 years in injecting their poison, especially here in Appalachia and other parts of the South - they knew just where to put it in order to inflict the most damage.

by Verified1 on 07/11/2008 04:01:10 PM EST


Not only do I think this is an excellent post because it's realistic and honest, but it's also a great story.  I thought you handled this situation very well.  I would also add that telling these uninformed undecideds that watching the MSM is NOT the right way to always get your information.  Trust, but Verify! (except FOX).  I think most people are too lazy to spend a little time looking for numerous stories about one candidate or another, so they let that first story stick like glue - much like the people who still believe Barack is a Muslim.  We must be responsible when casting our vote, which means we must be informed and somewhat selfless.  What may not be right for me, personally, may be of a benefit to the greater good of our democracy.  These, to me, are the duties of every citizen in this country.

This is my signature.

by TJD on 07/11/2008 05:02:57 PM EST


I feel like you have to find some common ground in order to truly begin communication, and there is always at least some common ground between humans, no matter how small (in this case, a lovely puppy).  People tend to hang with their own kind, so getting the opportunity to talk to someone less informed gave me a little direct insight into what some of them might be thinking.  One thing that struck me was that some Americans might only be ready to vote for a person of color if they are at least "half white," something I never would have even considered (of course I think it is silly).  This man mentioned that he had lived in the south and that there was blatant racism against such people there.  He also mentioned that white women overwhelmingly support Obama and he wanted to know why that was.  My guess is that it is because Obama tends to address the complexity of issues instead of in black and white terms, and that appeals to the female brain. 

by desertpear on 07/11/2008 06:09:12 PM EST

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You just couldn't resist the jab at the men, could you?!

;)

by ihavenobias on 07/11/2008 06:23:10 PM EST

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I should have said "feminine part of the brain" or something like that.  I think we all have a little of both in ourselves. 

by desertpear on 07/11/2008 06:37:11 PM EST

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Are you sure *you* aren't running for office?

Next thing we know you'll be saying "I don't recall".

by ihavenobias on 07/11/2008 06:42:48 PM EST

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I believe we are all Africans.  The world is not ready for a desertpear in office.

by desertpear on 07/11/2008 06:52:09 PM EST

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You're too sciency for the masses.

by ihavenobias on 07/12/2008 12:06:23 AM EST

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nice post :-) I can always look for something interesting under your byline.

by hazmat on 07/12/2008 12:01:32 AM EST


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