McCain absolutely didn't know how to win Kosovo!

How hard can you laugh when McCain speaks!  Now he says he knows how to win wars and as an example he says he knew how to win Kosovo? 

http://www.youtube.com/watc h?v=AuK2JAueWa8

Katie Couric asked the right question but she totally failed to follow up her question and ask, "What exactly did you do to win in Kosovo?" Couric dropped the ball.

McCain didn't do anything to win Kosovo. OMG. McCain was totally against Clinton's air-war only strategy.  If McCain had been listened to, we would have had dead soldiers coming back in boxes that McCain would not have cared a bit about. 

Also, in Kosovo McCain supported the KLA an Islamic terrorist organization

Check out this story about McCain attempting to "shame" Clinton into using ground troops in Kosovo.  Even the Republican leadership was against McCain's attempt to commit ground troops in Kosovo.
 
McCain didn't even care that using ground troops would have meant loss of lives that didn't need to be lost.  
 
By his air-war strategy Clinton won Kosovo without losing a single soldier's life.
 
McCain absolutely didn't know how to win Kosovo!
 
 
<h2>Senate tables Kosovo resolution authorizing 'all necessary force'</h2>

 

May 4, 1999
Web posted at: 11:36 a.m. EDT (1536 GMT)

 

WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, May 4) -- The Senate voted 78-22 Tuesday to table a resolution that would have given President Bill Clinton congressional authorization to use all means necessary to win the current military campaign in Yugoslavia.

The resolution's chief sponsor, Sen. John McCain, spoke angrily against the parliamentary manuever to set aside the measure. The Arizona Republican also heavily criticized Clinton for ruling out ground troops, saying the administration joined forces with opponents of the Kosovo campaign to kill the resolution.

"The president doesn't want the power he possesses by law because the risks inherent in its exercise have paralyzed him," McCain said.

McCain, a former Navy pilot who was a prisoner of war in Vietnam, said United States' allies and enemies would no longer respect its power and resolve if the war in Kosovo is lost.

"I ask my colleagues in this late hour to put aside our reservations, our past animosities and encourage, implore, cajole, beg, shame this administration into doing its duty," he said. "Shame on the president if he persists in abdicating his responsibilities but shame on use if we let him."

The leaders of both parties worked to table the resolution. Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott (R-Mississippi) said the resolution was premature and its language was "substantially excessive, not necessary, and uncalled for." He also said that the Senate would like a longer time to debate such a controversial topic.

"This is the wrong language and its at the wrong time," Lott said. 

Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle (D-South Dakota) said neither NATO nor the Clinton Administration asked for the resolution and that the United States cannot act unilaterally in what currently is a multi-nation military campaign. He also said the resolution was too broad.

"We have no clear idea on what it is we are authorizing with this resolution," he said. 

Daschle also took aim at McCain's criticism of Clinton, saying the president was not alone in ruling out ground troops.

"It isn't just the president. It is all of his Joint Chiefs of Staff. It is everybody in the Pentagon who advises the president who have said, 'This is not the time,'" he said.

But McCain said that because Clinton vocally ruled out ground troops early on in the campaign, he let Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic disperse his forces throughout Kosovo to "displace, rape and murder more Kosovars more quickly than he could have if he feared he might face the mightiest army on Earth."

"War on the cheap fails to achieve the objective we went to war for," he argued.

McCain, a candidate for the 2000 GOP presidential nomination, was one of the earliest voices to say that the U.S. must win this military action at all costs and to call on the Clinton Administration to prepare for the possibility of deploying ground troops.

His proposal would have authorized the president "to use all necessary force and other means, in concert with United States allies, to accomplish United States and North Atlantic Treaty Organization objectives."

Though the debate was initially limited, senators spent all of Monday delivering speeches on the move to table the motion. From those floor remarks it was clear that a majority of senators did not wish to debate the issue at this time but that their reasons were varied.

With U.S. forces already involved in NATO airstrikes on Serbian targets in Yugoslavia and Kosovo, many Republicans have grudgingly given their support to the Clinton Administration. But some senators still oppose the action and want the U.S. to withdraw from the conflict in Yugoslavia. Others are against the introduction of ground forces.

Other senators from both sides of the political aisle said they feared that McCain's resolution is too broad. Several senators argued the move was premature. And still others complained that Clinton played the polls when he ruled out ground troops in the first place and are unwilling to back this president on anything.

By tabling the measure, the Senate also put some distance between a possible Senate vote and two votes in the House of Representatives last week in which the GOP-led body agreed to limit Clinton's authority to introduce ground forces into the Kosovo and refused to endorse the NATO airstrikes.

The Senate resolution was co-sponsored by Sens. Joseph Biden (D-Delaware), Chuck Hagel (R-Nebraska), Joe Lieberman (D-Connecticut), Thad Cochran (R-Mississippi), Chris Dodd (D-Connecticut) and Richard Lugar (R-Indiana).

The senators all said that no options for achieving U.S. objectives in the region should not be ruled out because the cost of losing this war is too great.

The White House has so far said that no plans are being made by NATO to send in ground troops but all of the co-sponsors urged the administration to prepare for the possibility of such a move.

And on the KLA:

http://www.aim.org/aim-colu mn/mccain-supports-radical- muslims-in-kosovo/

and 

http://www.serbianna.com/ne ws/2008/01329.shtml

John McCain armed Kosovo Islamic terrorists
February 13, 2008
Source: Svet 

Americans of Albanian heritage collected a million dollars in one evening for the presidential campaign of Republican Senator John McCain, said the Albanian American Civic League yesterday, the lobby group headed by former Congressman Joe DioGuardi. A reception for McCain was held January 22 at the Saint Regis Hotel in Manhatten, and the senator, who is now leading in the runoff for the Republican party candidacy in the November elections, cut his campaign in Florida by one day to attend this gathering.

"Even in 1998 when we had problems with Milosevic, McCain did everything that we asked of him to the benefit of the Albanian people, including arming the KLA", announced DioGuardi. "We are American Albanians and we need a leader who will strengthen this country... We must support John McCain because he did everything we asked of him for Kosovo, from supporting the Kosovo Liberation Army to supporting the independence of Kosovo. Two years ago he spoke in Brussels and said that independence is the only solution", concluded this former congressman who has been fighting for the independence of Kosovo and Metohija for more than twenty years.

He explained that the first thing McCain said to him when he entered the hotel in Manhatten on January 22: "Joe, I saw your people in Michigan, and in South Carolina and in New Hampshire", from which this lobbyist deduced that all Americans of Albanian background will be voting for the senator from Arizona.

DioGuardi and his wife Shirley Cloys-DioGuardi have been friends with McCain for years, and he intervened several times in the Senate on behalf of the Albanians. Because of that, the Albanian American Civic League awarded him the "Balkan Award for Peace" a year and a half ago, and the initiative was the proposed Senate resolution - which McCain wrote - in which  thanks is extended to the Albanians for "saving all the Jews who lived in Albania or who sought shelter there during the Nazi Holocaust".

However, even though he is leading in the presidential nomination, John McCain has not yet succeeded in convincing the primary wing of the Republican Party - the conservatives - that he is the right candidate. One of the reasons is that he often spoke and voted against the majority Republicans, as in 1999 when he asked for more intensive air bombing of Serbia.

In April of that year, three weeks after the bombing commenced, he announced that the US is in danger of losing the war to the Serbian Army which has "antiquated machinery" and "absolutely no military air power", if massive strategic air attacks are not initiated. "Attacks on any infrastructure target must not be prevented. We all regret civilian losses, as well as our own, but they cannot be avoided," he said.

During the pre-election campaign in February 2000 at a meeting in Manhatten, John McCain asked for the release of all Albanian prisoners in the prisons of Serbia proper, and a year later he used his inlfuence to ask the administration for an urgent investigation into the killing of the brothers Bitici who were taken from prison and killed in the police training center in Petrovo Selo in eastern Serbia. This February 5 the senator held another meeting in Manhatten and in the public there was a visible Albanian flag.

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I find it amusing that you folks define the KLA as some sort of Islamic organization on the basis from what the ultra-nationalistic Serbian website serbianna.com alleges. Very amusing indeed (or disturbing).

I also find it disturbing that the article titled "John McCain armed Kosovo Islamic terrorists" mentions nothing about such Islamic terrorists, again exemplifying how duped and lazy (copy/paste) you folks can be.

I would like to point out that the Kosovo issue for the United States has been bipartisan, meaning the United States (Bill Clinton) intervened in 1999 on behalf of the Kosovar Albanians to stop the ethnic cleansing being carried out by the Serbs and the United States (George W Bush) recognised Kosovo as an independent country this year.

 

P.S. The content of the YouTube video is quite different than this post. I would like to see a bit more consistency.

by unitedal on 07/27/2008 03:38:41 AM EST

You/ve totally missed the two points.

1. McCain said he knows how to win wars and used Kosovo as an example of a war that he supported that showed he knew how to win it. But the evidence of his own resolution trying to shame Clinton into adopting McCain's strategy of using ground troops failed and was voted down by a majority of both parties. Clinton's air-war strategy worked and McCain's ground war strategy wasn't even used. So how did McCain have anything to do with "winning" the Kosovo war.  I'm not dealing with whether the war was justified or not. that is another issue altogether. I'm only dealing with McCain's lies about winning wars. BTW, McCain didn't know how to win the Vietnam War either.

(2) The fact that Clinton and other also supproted the KLA is irrelevant to the point of whether McCAin supported them.  The KLA were the mujahadin of Albania.  The USA supported the Mujahadin terrorists of Afghanistan just like supporting the KLA of Albania. 

The KLA was involved in drug and women trafficking rings in Kosovo, and were funded by the criminal underworld of Central Europe.   Like all terrorist organizations the KLA also assassinated those civilians they caled "collaborators". They patterned themselves after the IRA.

"The Albanian Cartel: Filling the Crime Void", Jane's Intelligence Review, November 1995
"Drugs Money Linked to the Kosovo Rebels", The Times, London, 24 March 1999 

So sure, if you supported thieir claimed goal of Kosovo independence and overlooked their methods then you might be alarmed that they were called a "terrorist" organization. But my point is that supporting your favorite subversive military group whether they are freedom fighters or terrorists according to the alliegences of the day is not something for McCain to brag about as helping to win a war.  

If you think the KLA wasn't up to its ears in terrorist activities then you are the one who needs to dig a little deeper in your research.  Since the KLA was supported by the CIA and the British and German Secrete Services, I'm not surprized that some Americans believe the propaganda that they were just "freedom fighters."  (BTW, I bet you don't think that Mecahim Begin was a terrorist either.) 

by Gregory Wonderwheel on 07/28/2008 08:07:19 PM EST

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From what I know, McCain did support the KLA, so did the white house and the american government( THE SENATE, CLINTON, ALBRIGHT etc.) and most of the european countries.
But.. KLA being an "Islamic terrorist organization" is just one of many Serbian fabr ications.
According to many serbian lobbyists, KLA was "Drug dealers", "Islamic terrorists", "Mafia", "CIA" and "Trained by Bin Laden" ....all cock-and-bull stories.

Please, do some research before posting someone else's political propaganda on your website.

by dontmindme on 07/27/2008 04:23:38 AM EST

It is not just according to Serbian lobbyists that people think the KLA was "Drug dealers", "Islamic terrorists", "Mafia", "CIA" and "Trained by Bin Laden".

Of course not all KLA were trained by Bin Laden only a handfull of men went to Bin Laden to learn what they could to help the KLA>  Otherwise, they were heavily connected to CIA and British and German secret services, involved in drug trafficking, were Islamic, were terrorists, and closely connected to and funded by the Central European versin of the mafia. 

All this is documented.
There were reports that the KLA was supported in part by heroin trafficking. United States President Bill Clinton's special envoy to the Balkans, Robert Gelbard, once described the KLA as, "without any questions, a terrorist group".

For political reasons afterwards, the Clinton administration changed their tune and removed the KLA form the terrorists list, but htat didn't mean they were a different organization, only that the political winds had changed.

by Gregory Wonderwheel on 07/28/2008 08:16:18 PM EST

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Because in Kosovo, the stated reasons for going in there was genocide and humanitarian concerns in the heart of Europe, in fact the same place where this other little conflict started, don't know if you heard of this one

The Great War

some people call it WWI, the war to end all wars. Just throwin that out there.

In contrast, in Iraq, the stated reasons for going in, weapons of mass destruction, and a connection to 9-11 were demonstrably false, and in fact were unproven at the time. Hope this helps you sort through the ashes of the worst foreign policy disaster in U.S. history.

I share your longing for a time when the adults were in charge.

by hazmat on 07/27/2008 01:25:26 PM EST

Unfortunely your "trap" is as flaccid as your tiny penis. Let me help you restore your manhood by explaining how the world works.

None of the reasons you've given here for invading Iraq are among those that were given in the leadup to invasion in '02-'03. Stay focused, please. But even had they been the primary reasons for going in, they would have been insufficient and the American public would not have supported it.

So tell me, you link articles from reputable sources like the NYT, Wapo BBC etc to support your claim that Sad Hussein was a brutal dictator (one I don't dispute) but you use...the Ottowa Citizen and commondreams.org 3 yr old articles to support a theory that the rationale for going to Kosovo was a hoax...? (?) You must think that a grave injustice was done to this man. My president was called Slick Willy. Yours? The butcher of the Balkans. I'm glad you've given me this opportunity to clear up this issue that has caused you so much internal distress. You've been holding it inside these ten long years. You're welcome.

Thanks for playing numnutz.

by hazmat on 07/27/2008 07:40:24 PM EST

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Unfortunely your "trap" is as flaccid as your tiny penis.

The word you're searching for is Pôku Bittsu (Pork Bits). 

Everything's smaller in Texas

If acting against the will of the people and engaging in elective invasions is all it takes to be called a brutal dictator, then we should thank our lucky stars that we got through eight years of Bush without being liberated by a Coalition of the Willing (knock on wood).

by OneHitKill on 07/28/2008 08:34:55 PM EST

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Trying to defend Bush's illegal invasion of Iraq by saying that Clinton illegally invaded Kosovo is irrelevant EVEN IF the Kosovo war was illegal.

Basically, Bush invaded Iraq contrary to the UN rules that required UN authorization for invasion. Even if the UN had authorized the Iraq invasion the authorization would have been vitiated and nullified because it would have been granted based on fraud and lies. 

Here's what Vincent Bugliosi says about the comparison:

"By way of footnote, it also isn't a legal defense for Bush to argue: 'Well, the U.S. bombed the Kosovo province of Yugoslavia in 1999 without UN approval, only that of NATO.'  That would be like a driver of a car saying to a police officer about to give him a speeding ticket: 'Why are you giving me one when cars on my left and right were  traveling just as fast as I?'  So, maybe the U.S. (in the Clinton administration) was also in violation of Article 2.  But by the way, there is no evidence that President Clinton and his people engaged in lies, deliberate distortions, and hence, criminality leading up to our bombings of Kosovo to stop the genocide of the ethinic Clbanians by the Serbs there.  Indeed, even if Clinton had lied to the American people in the Kosovo intervention, since not one American soldier lost his life, this would, by definition, preclude any murder prosecution of Clinton." (The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder, page 283.)

So, notice that McCain directly opposed Clinton's conduct of the Kosovo war without ground troops, but it was Clinton's choice to not use ground troops that not only led to the "win" but  that meant no American troops died in Kosovo while if the war had been fought using McCain's strategy surely American ground troops would have been killed.

So McCain's claim that he knows how to win wars is spurious and the comparison is spurious also.

by Gregory Wonderwheel on 07/29/2008 02:44:35 PM EST

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