The House is Set to Apologize to African Americans

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                  By Jayar Jackson

The U.S House of Representatives is poised Tuesday to pass a resolution apologizing to Black Americans for slavery and the era of Jim Crow laws.  Rep. Steve Cohen, who represents a prominently Black district in Memphis, has introduced the bill.  Once the resolution passes, as expected, the House will also acknowledge the injustice, cruelty, brutality, and inhumanity of slavery and Jim Crow laws that segregated Blacks from Whites, providing an unequal life for Black Americans.

Although this is the first time a branch of the federal government will apologize for slavery, I've always wondered what the reasons behind these types of resolutions are.  Considering the fact that the U.S. doesn't foolishly deny these heinous acts took place in its past, one can only assume Rep. Cohen is attempting to show his constituents that he understands the severity and repercussions these institutions have had on today's society.

 This resolution is the House of Representatives' formal agreement with many Americans that have a guilty conscience for what their ancestors did to Black Americans.  In my opinion, this resolution is not necessary; no one is rejecting the idea that slavery happened, no one in today's Congress has been saying that Jim Crow Laws created this false utopia of "separate but equal."

Some White Americans feel that Black Americans want them to "feel guilty" for what occurred, so a quick, "I'm sorry your ancestors, grandparents, and parents went through such horrible experiences in their own country" isn't necessary.  How can someone apologize for something they didn't personally do?

I don't want you to feel sorry for me or my parents.  I don't want you to simply hear my frustrations and hope everything is better now.  Discussing race is so taboo in this country, we just want to get it over with, apologize for reasons unknown to us, and get out of the uncomfortable conversation.  Listening, internalizing, and actually understanding what was wrong with this country will provide many with the mindset to change the way they think about other races and therefore change the way we still treat each other.

Comparatively, Congress' simple apology for the past isn't going to be what continues to move this country forward, either.  Learning from the country's past and the mistakes we made is what is necessary to continue to fight against future instances of human rights violations, a commitment Cohen included.  If we label human rights violations as something this country can only do to Black Americans, quickly apologize for it, and then forget about it, we'll easily overlook the fact that we can violate the rights of Muslims, Middle Easterners, and gay Americans.

The resolution blatantly states, "African-Americans continue to suffer from the consequences of slavery and Jim Crow -- long after both systems were formally abolished -- through enormous damage and loss, both tangible and intangible, including the loss of human dignity and liberty, the frustration of careers and professional lives, and the long-term loss of income and opportunity."  My Bad!!

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Rep. Steve Cohen, who represents a prominently Black district in Memphis, has introduced the bill.

Further evidence of Cohen's tireless work for racial justice.  Does this mean the Congressional Black Caucus will FINALLY let him in?

by jarett on 07/30/2008 03:05:39 AM EST


I'm just trying to imagine how much better their lives would be today, if their ancestors had never been brought to America 300 years ago.

by KenTX on 07/30/2008 03:48:38 AM EST


I wish I could come up with a better response to your statement, but with all my college education, that's all I can think of.

So it doesn't matter about all of the horrible things we did to a young African American's hundreds of family members that preceded him/her.  Your content that they may have a better life now then they would in Africa.

by BlueInTexas on 07/30/2008 11:36:58 AM EST

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I'm jus' sayin'.

With all of your college education, it's interesting that a simple "what if" stumped your stupid ass.

I don't know about you, but I never did anything bad to any African Americans. All the African Americans I know had all of the same rights I had, and many of them even had significant advantages in educational and advancement opportunities that I never had. 

The reason Michelle Obama is now home with the kids is because the Obama Campaign is doing everything possible to hide her. It's not very smart politics to publicly rail against the unfairness of America, after attending the best colleges wit hout paying for it, and after achieving a high paying career with more than a little help from affirmative action.

I am officially on record as supporting reparations for anyone who demands it. But the check should be tied to a loss of citizenship, and a one way ticket the fuck out of this country.

Did you get that, College Boy?

by KenTX on 07/30/2008 12:34:45 PM EST

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Most African Americans grow up with significant disadvantages, be it a single parent, low access to quality health-care and education, unsafe, drug/gang/crime infested neighborhoods and of course general racism.

I'm sure you think poor people are all poor because they choose to be, but the facts aren't on your side.

PS---I'm not for race based affirmative action. I think it should be reformed to be based on socioeconomic status rather than race, so that poor people of all races would be included.

by ihavenobias on 07/30/2008 12:56:21 PM EST

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Most Mexican Americans (I am one) grow up with greater disadvantages than African Americans. They are poorer, and in many cases, they don't even speak English.

But you don't hear much complaining from Latinos because they're too busy working hard to take care of their families, and trying to advance in society.

The same goes for Asian Americans and other ethnic groups in America. The first generation works very hard to rise above poverty. The second generation goes to Harvard and Yale.

Black people represent 12% of the population, just like Latinos. Asians are rapidly growing their share of the pie. The time has come for blacks to step up and represent.

by KenTX on 07/30/2008 01:23:38 PM EST

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There should be personal responsibility. At the same time the Mexican Americans are coming from a very different culture, history and perspective.

While there are some similarities there are many differences you are completely glossing over.

Hell, the Civil Rights Act wasn't until 1964 which really wasn't all that long ago.


And growing up in a poor rural area (which has great challenges of course) is not the same as growing up in a dense urban area full of gangs and other challenges.


PS---Again, see my previous comment WRT affirmative action.

by ihavenobias on 07/30/2008 01:28:31 PM EST

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The moment he is nominated will be the official signal for all African Americans to shut their pie hole and get with the freakin program.

by KenTX on 07/30/2008 03:25:24 PM EST

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I've been listening to theYoungTurks for about 3 years now, and I've never posted anything until now.  I may never say anything else, but I feel like it's necessary to ask.  Why do people that post on this sight regularly let KenTX shape any of the discussions?  He's a clown-ass white supremecist who's just trying to annoy people who aren't stupid enough to think the way he does.  Most of the people on here are participating in honest debate about issues.  But KenTX is an idiot.  I could understand if he had some power or something, but he doesn't.  So just ignore him.  I've been skipping his ridiculous posts for months and can't figure out why anyone here reads them.

by DStroyer4 on 07/30/2008 03:36:29 PM EST

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But since he often raises a cliche republican response I sometimes like to shoot it down, as do others I'm sure.

And look, we need to work together on our framing and responses to common conservative arguments. Even if we know how to argue not everyone reading necessarily does.

by ihavenobias on 07/30/2008 03:50:20 PM EST

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I hear you.  But if his posts are just left without comments, will that help or hurt?  At a site with a lot of commenters, he could be easily ignored.  But when there are so few forum posts and commenters, there might be the danger of people assuming that his ideas are accepted and supported if nobody argues against them.  I'm interested in what people think about that hypothesis. 

I sometimes try to draw Ken into real discussion, but it does seem useless--he is a mouthpiece for the Republican party and Big Oil and doesn't seem to have many interests apart from amassing capital and dismissing anyone who doesn't have money at the top of their personal value system.

I don't bother reading any of his linked nonsense, but the responses have provided me with good material to fight republican talking points.

by desertpear on 07/30/2008 04:37:20 PM EST

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to read these discussions. I'm with pear on this (surprise surprise) as I've written elsewhere he makes for a good punching bag and seems to be a good sport about it most of the time. Try to draw him into a substantive conversation about anything and you'll hear crickets (just check out this thread). Most of the time he'd rather just spar. That's fine. And frankly, even though he seems confined to talking points, let's face it--that's the nature of our opposition these days. So we might as well use the opportunity he provides to craft our responses. He made this very point to me shortly after I started posting regularly and I've come to agree. I occasionally find that I learn from more from others' clever responses to his nonsense than from Cenk even on the same topics.

by hazmat on 07/30/2008 06:02:31 PM EST

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Well, that's why I asked.  Those are solid reasons for responding to that clown.  I won't be reading his nonsense, but I now why you guys do.

One thing to remember about Cenk, that dude voted for McCain 8 years ago.  There was no excuse for a knowledgeable adult to vote Rebublican as late as 2000 (which is why Dave was all over him about it).  I'm 28, and that party has been fraudulent my entire life.  The Democrats are horrendous, but the Republicans are decidedly worse.  So, one has to wonder, "What the hell was he doing still voting Republican?"  With that in mind, he seem like a pretty cool dude and, of course, I love his show.

Really though, brothas always wonder why anyone who isn't white would even consider voting Republican.  I remember seeing a poll a while back saying that Bush's approval rating was 2% amongst black people.  The first thing I thought was, "The margin of error is +/-3%; how do they know his approval rating isn't 0%?"

by DStroyer4 on 07/30/2008 11:41:06 PM EST

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Sure, Cenk was mistaken, but for the most part he realizes the error of his ways (although he STILL doesn't realize just how competely terrible Reagan was and he STILL is wrong on "free trade").

But seriously, think about Arianna Huffington. She was hard-core Republican for a long time.  Now she gives us a great progressive website, Huffington Post (Bonus: it's Dave's favorite!).

by ihavenobias on 08/01/2008 10:48:24 AM EST

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But I have to recommend Ken's links.  They are hilarious.  They almost always prove he's wrong.

by ProfRich on 07/31/2008 11:47:23 PM EST

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but that's exactly how I've always looked at it.

by Spencer on 08/01/2008 04:10:45 AM EST

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other than his own statements do you have that he is a big contributer?

by hazmat on 07/30/2008 05:55:07 PM EST

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"What evidence, other than his own statements do you have that he is a big contributer?"

There are the occasional subtle hints from Dave, like this one. Or the fact that I used to be listed in the TYT credits as “Producer”.&nbs p;

I am only here to entertain you. It’s a comic schtick. Dave gets it. He understands that I’m the guy sitting in the dunking tank, challenging you guys to take another shot at me, so you’ll buy three more balls.

dunk

Haz gets it. Where else can you go for polite debate with a real live conservative in a friendly, safe environment. You guys are like family to me.

My son Daniel, who voted for Kerry, and will vote for Obama, comments here occasionally. But he gets plenty of one-on-one time from dear old dad, and what do we talk about? POLITICS! We are best friends, yet our politics and ages are different. Imagine that. 

It used to be football, back when he was little. We lived in Dallas, I was a Cowboys fan, so naturally he had to be a 49ers fan so we could have something to argue about. Then, the Cowboys started getting good, so he got on board the bandwagon. Smart kid, because it earned him a trip to the 1994 Superbowl, where he was the only nine year old in the house.

For those of you who listened to Al Franken, he used to have a regular segment with his lifelong best friend, Mark Luther. Mark was a dedicated conservative, and the exchange was always interesting, even though the deck was heavily loaded in favor of Franken.

OK my peeps, let's get to the bottom line. Talk radio is about ratings, and if you want to increase ratings, you need to attract conservatives as well as liberals. The Young Turks is the best thing going on liberal political talk radio (I listen to everything.) TYT will continue to broaden its appeal and listenership under my watchful tutelage.

by KenTX on 07/30/2008 10:55:23 PM EST

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Great post Ken. Who doesn't love this guy? I've wondered what your motives are for a long time, but this is making much more sense.

I first heard the young turks as guests on Al Franken when they made an appearance in sept '06 (I think?) shortly after they joined AA (what an unfortunate acronym) and decided to give'em a shot. Al Franken's show was the only one I liked (although hearing Mark Maron reruns makes me wish he was still on--the guy was genius--showmanshipwise), but TYT blew Franken out of the water. I continued to listen to him until he left, but mainly out of loyalty. Just about everything else on air america except for ring of fire sucked balls. Your point about attracting conservative listeners seems especially salient.

by hazmat on 07/31/2008 01:15:54 AM EST

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I see your point of view ken. Let's set aside 40 acres and a mule for a second. Given that something like 50% of young urban black males are unemployed, you must draw one of two conclusions, that they're born stupid and lazy, or that structural problems prevent them participating as citizens. The two views aren't mutually exclusive but I wonder if your view in a little more detail.

 

by hazmat on 07/30/2008 12:58:43 PM EST

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"after attending the best colleges wit hout paying for it, and after achieving a high paying career with more than a little help from affirmative action"

Why do these "facts", like so many other "facts" that you post, smell like you pulled them out of your ass?  You know this how?  She graduated cum laude from Princeton.  If it was "affirmative action", then I'd say score a point for the affirmative action program - they chose the right person.  Looking at the evidence I'd put my money on her getting there on a scholarship and you being full of shit.  

by bfaul on 07/30/2008 02:33:50 PM EST

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It's so easy. Effortless, really.

You are unsuccessful in life as a direct result of your terrible attitude. It makes you an inherent loser.

Don't blame me or republicans or George Bush or America. Your plight is self-imposed.

by KenTX on 07/30/2008 03:31:21 PM EST

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From your own linked article -

"she graduated with departmental honors and was accepted to Harvard Law School." - man, honors from her department and accepted to harvard law, she was obviously unqualified.

"She resolved to leave the law firm and mentor young people from the neighborhood she grew up in. But she was daunted by how little money she would make, and feared she would not be able to pay back her sizable student loans." - so who paid for her education?

So, she had loans she had to pay off and she graduated with departmental honors, so she performed well while there. So what exactly is your point, KenTX?

Don't talk about religion or politics, my ass!

by TheRob91 on 07/30/2008 09:12:32 PM EST

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"She did well in school (she skipped second grade), but she was not at the top of her class. She didn't get the attention of the school's college counselors, who helped the brightest students find spots at prestigious universities. "Princeton, the Ivy Leagues swoop up kids" like Craig, Michelle says. "A black kid from the South Side of Chicago that plays basketball and is smart. He was getting in everywhere. But I knew him, and I knew his study habits, and I was, like, 'I can do that too'." Some of her teachers told her she didn't have the grades or test scores to make it to the Ivies. But she applied to Princeton and was accepted."


"At Harvard, she felt the same racial divide. Verna Williams and Michelle became friends in their first year of law school. She remembers many of their fellow black students worrying that white classmates viewed them as charity cases. But she suggests Michelle was not among them. "She recognized that she had been privileged by affirmative action and she was very comfortable with that," Williams recalls."

by KenTX on 07/30/2008 11:04:31 PM EST

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Here is the paragraph immediately following the one you quoted:

"Michelle recalls things differently. A campaign spokeswoman says she had an edge getting into Princeton not because of affirmative action, but because her older brother was there as a scholar athlete. She was a "legacy," just like any other applicant with family ties to Princeton. Her aides say Michelle earned her way into Harvard on merit by distinguishing herself at Princeton."

In other words she did it just like the white people do,  just like George W Bush did, except that his dad was wealthy and he was a C student.  I suppose if she had been wealthy instead of having to borrow the money to go to Princeton she would be above reproach for people like you. 

You have a disdain for the poor folks that sounds almost neurotic.  Was your dad poor?  Did you resent him for it? 


"It's so easy. Effortless, really."

Yeah, I can tell it's "effortless". You clearly don't bother to read what you post.  Read the whole article and it won't be quite as "effortless".   

Why don't you just admit it?  You don't like her because you don't agree with Obama's politics and you smear her because you don't really have a hell of a lot to smear Obama with.  It also doesn't help that she's black, she's a woman,  and she's not a pushover, she doesn't know her "place".    Your candidate is weak and he doesn't excite anyone but the buzzards circling above his head, so you can't sell him on his own merit.  Spit it out, you'll feel so much better.

by bfaul on 07/31/2008 03:34:53 PM EST

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I'm just trying to imagine how much better off the American Indians would be today if Europeans had never come over and destroyed their populations and culture.

I guess you feel like your racism is acceptable because you are a Mexican-American?  Racism is generalizing about people based on race.  It helps nobody, and certainly not you.  I am constantly thankful that my parents were not racist and that I have lived in ethnically diverse places. 

by desertpear on 07/30/2008 04:44:08 PM EST

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Oregon? Give us some examples.

by KenTX on 07/30/2008 05:00:03 PM EST

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But from 1979 until 2005 I lived in California, primarily Berkeley, which I'm sure you can ridicule.  I now live in the white state of Washington, but hope to move to the southwest to an area primarily populated with hispanic people.  I have also spent a month in Africa (the Caprivi region) apart from any guided trip and found that to be a very valuable experience for many reasons.  I would like to return someday to do some type of work. 

by desertpear on 07/30/2008 05:28:34 PM EST

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you are probably correct but the larger question is how better off Africa would be.  The Slave trade brought millions to the Americas but it stole the youngest and fittest Africans.  One might argue that the resistance to colonialism would hae been much more sucessful and costlier to Europeans (particulary small countries like Beliguim)

by flrbase1 on 08/01/2008 01:00:53 PM EST

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This resolution took some time yesterday. The entire time I was watching it on C-SPAN(or C-SPAN 2, I mix them up) I was just thinking, couldn't this time be spent on talking about

A. the economy

B. energy

C. foreign policy

D. investigating the current administration

E. something that could actually help black people(or, more importantly, poor people in general) NOW rather than just saying "oops, you guys had a rough past."

Don't talk about religion or politics, my ass!

by TheRob91 on 07/30/2008 09:18:37 AM EST


Amen!
 
We might as well have another steroids in baseball investigation. Or let Spector replay all the Pat's spy tapes for the last 8 years. At least that would be a lead into football season.

What was that story yesterday, we are borrowing 2 billion a day to fund tax cuts and an illegal war, paying for it everytime we go to the pump or grocery store. WTF, it is only money.

by sisco66 on 07/30/2008 03:25:35 PM EST

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This is akin to telling the president you'll give him all the funding he wants, but attaching a statement that says how nice it would be if he would consider maybe changing his policy,...but don't hurt us!! In other words what I'm saying is who cares about an apology.

It does absolutely nothing to advance the cause of african americans in this country.

In fact by virtue of that alone the GOP should be overwhelmingly in favor of passing the resolution--its win-win for them--they can shine up their image while doing what they do best. Nothing.

As for reparations, they don't work either. Its no surprise to me that Ken is in favor of them. They are incredibly hard to determine the value of, and again they don't address any of the challenges african-americans face, and they shortchange the generations to come who won't see the money but will still suffer from inequality and oppression. Reparations would amount to a convenient way to dispose of the past. So I'm not in favor of those either (unless some one can convince me of a scheme that works).

by hazmat on 07/30/2008 01:12:33 PM EST


http://www.americanthinker. com/blog/2008/06/meet_obama s_reparations_model.html
hrmm, wonder why this hasnt been brought up? Do a search for Obama amd
reparations and you find all sorts of interesting articles. Do YOU
really want to be forced to pay for something that happened 150 years
ago? How far will it go? People should research exactly the influences
behind Obama and what the ultimate outcome could be if he is elected.
You think affirmative action is the worst of it? I urge you to read
everything you can find and educate yourself.

by cheryl on 07/30/2008 03:42:20 PM EST


1)-Why did you have to pick the name "Cheryl"?

2)-Why don't you have a profile? And why haven't you posted here before? And why did you link to a right wing website (not right of center, right wing)?

I clicked on a random article on the homepage and the author wrote this "...On a recent broadcast, Savage, whose views I most often agree with..."

Sorry, but anyone who most often agrees with the views of Michael Savage is not someone I'm going to take seriously. And it speaks volumes about the credibility of that website.

If you're honestly undecided and concerned, we'll have a discussion. But if you picked a website to troll and plant misinformation and fear mongering about a Obama I have to inform you that you picked the wrong one.

by ihavenobias on 07/30/2008 05:04:15 PM EST

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Its a free country, and you don't control free speech or the thoughts of others.

by KenTX on 07/30/2008 05:49:36 PM EST

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But it's a terrible answer.

For example, if I ask what 2+2 is and you say "purple" you *technically* answered the question.

But it's a terrible answer.

by ihavenobias on 07/30/2008 05:52:45 PM EST

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We have a real problem when most of the news is presented as talking points for one side or the other. News needs to be news. Opinion needs to be opinion. Referring to an agenda driven web site is not presenting facts. Just some twisted slant. People who spread the slant as facts should not be given national platforms to operate from. It is called propaganda.

by sisco66 on 07/30/2008 06:00:00 PM EST

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It happens to be my name? I just joined yesterday, and I thought this was a forum for free speech. Am I supposed to have some pithy name to post by? Sorry, I didnt read that in the rules anywhere.

by cheryl on 07/31/2008 10:44:06 PM EST

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I'm willing to apologize for jumping to conclusions.
 
But 9 times out of 10 it's a conservative troll that comes to a progressive site for a first time post with no profile (and puts up something ripping Obama with a linking to a laughably bad and biased right-wing website).

Do you understand why I and others might be, at the very least, skeptical?

As for your name, I like it. My girlfriend's name is Cheryl and I have another friend named Cheryl. My comment about the name was over taking offense that someone I perceived to be a conservative troll had picked that name instead of a 'pithy' one.


So again, if I misread you and you aren't here to just find ways to spread anti-Obama propaganda while pretending to be moderate, I sincerely apologize.  Of course you're free to say whatever you want, but by the same token I and others are free to call people out on perceived BS and questionable potential motives they may have.


I'd be very happy to be proven wrong. Then we'll have another great addition to TYT and I'll look like a fool.  Welcome to TYT Cheryl. :)


by ihavenobias on 08/01/2008 10:44:43 AM EST

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I'll save anyone the hassle of having to read that post he made about reparations and Obama. What does it do? It states that Obama and Randal Ronbinson both support funding poor schools(K-12). From this he basically implies that Obama believes in all of Robinson's ideas.

I'm really starting to get sick of this stupid, ridiculous idea that people are completely and wholly influenced by another's thoughts or ideas. Apparently right wingers assume that if you READ A BOOK by someone that you are simply utterly under the influence of its author. 

I have an idea. From now on, whenever you see a republican tell them that you have read a book by Theodore Roosevelt and another book by Hitler. Then ask them what they think your views are. Based on their logic that if you read a book you are brainwashed by it they will probably start quivering in the fetal position saying "Its impossible, he read books with multiple views...how do I know what he thinks...this is madness!". Then his head will explode. After a few months of this they should all be gone.

And, looking around on that site, I found a wonderful gem on one article about "deconstructing Obama" :

"I must accept that Obama's difference, in terms of his racial makeup is actually better than McCain's common identity with my own.  Whatever happened to Martin Luther King's insistence on a colorblind society?"

Seriously, thats exactly whats in one of the articles. I guess shiver doesn't understand that picking McCain for his "common identity" is in fact exactly what the article (and the NEXT SENTENCE) are allegedly against. It would be funny if so many people didn't actually believe it.

It was also stated, I believe in that same article, that the democratic party's election process became LESS democratic after 1968. Of course, looking at the facts, Humphrey won the democratic nomination WITHOUT PARTICIPATING IN PRIMARIES in 1968. Yea, that sounds like a system I would have kept. 

That site is a joke. American THINKER? rofl.

Don't talk about religion or politics, my ass!

by TheRob91 on 07/30/2008 08:46:05 PM EST

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If you missed the Bill Moyers show in June called "Race in America" it is highly recommended.  Before watching this program, I had no idea of the "neo-slavery" forced labor of African Americans that lasted all the way into the 1940s and beyond.

Moyers has one of the best websites I know for watching shows online, so if you haven't tried it...

 

by desertpear on 07/30/2008 04:51:04 PM EST


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