The Young Turks

"On March 29, 2007, McCain himself voted against H.R. 1591, an emergency spending bill that would have funded the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and would have provided more than $1 billion in additional funds to the Department of Veterans Affairs. The Senate passed H.R. 1591 by a margin of 51-47. Once the bill's conference report was agreed to by the House, the Senate again passed the measure on April 26, 2007, by a vote of 51-46. McCain did not vote on that version of the bill. By contrast, Obama voted for it on both occasions"

"Moreover, McCain has voted against other legislation funding care for veterans. On April 26, 2006, McCain voted against an amendment by Sen. Daniel Akaka (D-HI) that would have "provide[d] an additional $430,000,000 for the Department of Veteran Affairs for Medical Services for outpatient care and treatment for veterans.' In addition, on March 14, 2006, McCain voted against "increas[ing] Veterans medical services funding by $1.5 billion in FY 2007 to be paid for by closing corporate tax loopholes.' On March 10, 2004, McCain also voted against "creat[ing] a reserve fund to allow for an increase in Veterans' medical care by $1.8 billion by eliminating tax loopholes." Obama voted for the first two measures"

• Grew up in a prominent rightwing Navy family and was indoctrinated in naval dominance of the globe
• Went to Annapolis and ranked at the very bottom of his class because he resented authority
• Went to Vietnam and crashed several planes
• Spent 6 years as a POW and "broke" under torture
• Came home and dumped the wife who raised his children while he was away and nursed him back to health on his return
• Married a much younger woman who was heir to a mobbed-up Budweiser fortune
• Worked in his in-laws' business traveling across Arizona building a base for his political career
• Used his in-laws' money to get elected to the House as an anti-abortion, "pro-family" candidate
• Worked his way up from the House to the Senate by being a loyal right-wing Republican
• As a Senator, got caught helping Charles Keating deregulate S&L's, which cost taxpayers $200 billion, and was censured by the Senate
• Promised never to do favors for lobbyists again
• Ran for President in 2000 as a reformer and won New Hampshire
• Got crushed in South Carolina after he called Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell "agents of intolerance" and they fired back with a pro-Bush smear campaign that McCain had an "illegitimate black child" - actually a dark-skinned child (Bridget) adopted from impoverished Bangladesh. Nevertheless, McCain enthusiastically supported Bush both in 2000 and 2004.
• In 2001, he opposed Bush's $1.35 trillion tax giveaway to the rich, but changed his position during the 2007 campaign.
• In 2001, he was so opposed to Bush's far-right policies that he considered becoming a Democrat, but ultimately stayed a Republican and supported Bush's far-right policies
• In 2002, he was a leading advocate for the invasion of Iraq, spent far more time on TV than any other Senator, and wrongly predicted "victory" and "success" every step of the way 
• In 2004, he betrayed his friend John Kerry by refusing to defend him against Swift Boat smears
• In 2007, when a supporter asked "How do we beat the bitch," referring to Sen. Hillary Clinton, McCain laughed and called it an "excellent question."
• In 2007, with the U.S. on the brink of attacking Iran, McCain joked by singing "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran."
• In 2008, when caught doing favors for lobbyist Vicki Iseman and her corporate clients, lied about his actions

http://www.democrats.com/mc cains-experience

Wrong about the war in  iraq-

"Wrong about the Iraqis paying for the reconstruction, wrong about whether or not the oil would pay for it, wrong about Sunni and Shia violence through the years, wrong about the willingness of the Iraqis to stand up for themselves"

Wrong on the surge-

McBush stated inaccurately, that the surge strategy was responsible for the much-touted "Anbar Awakening," in which Sunni sheiks turned against Al Qaeda, helping in turn to reduce violence in the country.

The record firmly establishes the opposite: instead of being caused by the surge, the key signs of the Anbar Awakening occurred not only before that strategy was implemented, but before it was ever conceived.

Wrong about time tables-

Democratically elected Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Al-Maliki supports a short timetable for US troops to withdraw from Iraq.

David

ithe service is quite poor. I would appreciate a strong, intelligent conservative voice on this site, but KenTX doesn't provide that. His posts are uncritical apings of Republican talking points, punctuated by vulgarities (Obama was sodomized) quasi-racist elements (Obama smoked crack), and factual inaccuracies (US was involved in Bosnia because of the Lewinsky affair).

If you guys know of thoughtful conservatives, by all means, bring them here. But don't go around thinking that you are dismissed because you offer views which vary from the majority here. You are dismissed because of the intellectual poverty you exhibit.

David

Thats the point. You assume these sites and this site in particular are here for the purpose of presenting your viewpoint.

This site is here to present whatever viewpoint the ownwer decides to present. Thats the rules you guys wanted with whining about the Fairness Doctrine and allowing consolidation of media ownwership.

Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander...

Also  terminology like : "Caligula's wet dreams - Liberals fawning over themselves and their so called astuteness" - the Stepford Wives would blush at the kool aid consumption represented here in the Liberal TYT Blogosphere! provide some counterpoint to some of these twits! :)" is hardly conclusive to dialog.  

Regardless...even if it is. if that's what Cenk and company want and the users prefer, you have no right to complain. Its a big internet's out there Im sure you can find a home. However Cenk and Dave and most of the TYT community are much more tolerant of "conservatives". You should thank them instead of bitching.

Try presenting anything but a conservative "ditto" on Limbaugh and see where it gets you.

Why not? If your right the argument should stand on its own merits vice how many time you can repeat the same one liner and inflammatory buzzword or repost the same material, even when refuted , over and over and over and over. You write to generate the maximum responses...good or bad...admit it.

I'm forced to provide 6-8 rebuttals from the subsequent attacks.

Why? See point 1. You said that you choose this life as it were and you are complaining you have to defend yourself? What did you expect?

What is the goal of your participation;
-to express an opinion or
-bludgeon bloggers with some witticism or insult
-recruit new Republicans
-spam TYT with RNC talking points?

Yeah, Ken we have secret strategy meetings.  Me, tom and haz fly out to Medford, Oregon and plan our response to each post.

Paranoid much?

Well, at least you are consistent with the deranged delusions of grandeur.

I keep waiting for him to say, "The Statue of Liberty ist kaput," but he hardly ever does.

The idea that evangelical christians are a monolithic group of haters is wrong. About 30% of them vote reliably Democratic in every election. They are such a large demographic that swaying them a few percentage points can make a big difference. Karl Rove understood this. By most accounts, Barack Obama is seen as genuine in his expressions of Faith, and McCain is seen as a faker. He's going to win some votes with that cross in the dirt story, but its all he has to offer the faithful. Barack's answers on questions of faith were a hundred times better than mccain's. This isn't completely lost on that crowd. All of Ken's crowing about the loudness of the cheering is not going to diminish the real gains of the evening, which was to get our guy in front of historically republican crowd and make some inroads. I stand by my earlier postings that this was a good debate and Saddleback Church should be commended for raising the tone of the campaign.