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Charge Kozlo by the post.

posted by MedfordTim 08/19/2008 12:08:32 PM EST

Kozlo is doing NOTHING but post McCain/Fox/Republican talking point ads. If he continues, I urge Dave to charge him for the ADVERTISEMENTS. I think $500 per ad is quite reasonable. Plus, $1000 for every use of the word "truth" since he obviously has no idea what the word means.

If he actually posts a REAL post, the fee could be waived. Such a post would involve an original thought. I think we are safe in assuming that no fees will ever be waived...

Tip - I wouldn't accept anything but cash from this moron.

< It Appears that TYT has been taken over by Trolls | Is there video of McCain arriving at Saturday's forum? >

Charge Kozlo by the post. | 69 comments (69 topical, 0 hidden)

Well that's the crux of the matter... (none / 0)

advertisement! Didn't TYT bounce chuzlife for spamming for some pro life site?(other than being an obnoxious asshole)Or was that his blog business he was trying to get started. Their have been so many.

by MRFred on 08/19/2008 12:23:51 PM EST

Now we're cooking with gas (none / 0)

I love free market solutions.

by hazmat on 08/19/2008 12:45:16 PM EST

All right Tim (none / 0)

Now THAT is what I'm talking about. Amen.

by ihavenobias on 08/19/2008 12:48:08 PM EST

yes please (none / 0)

I have been questioning lately whether I want to support a website where the home page is dominated by republican talking points. Others who are not members may be wondering the same thing. The forum may not be very important to TYT, but it is the face of your website and the first thing new people see when linked here. I think we members deserve better.

by desertpear on 08/19/2008 12:55:30 PM EST

Perhaps a Members Only Forum... (none / 0)

as part of the site (along with the free side) might satisfy that need, eh Pear?

Have a good day...

:)

by bobo1 on 08/19/2008 12:57:18 PM EST

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like others (none / 0)

I don't mind reasoned dissent at all. I enjoy it. What I dislike is posters who even admit they are here merely to manipulate and spam and that they don't even stand behind their arguments. You seem to self-identify with the troll label, but I've always been willing to debate you honestly. I won't waste time with people who don't stand behind their words though, if I can help it.

by desertpear on 08/19/2008 01:07:06 PM EST

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It doesn't need to be Members Only (none / 0)

It just needs to be a real forum, which is a LOT easier to manage.

by jarett on 08/19/2008 01:53:56 PM EST

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got any suggestions? (none / 0)

I set up a forum/message board for my company not long ago--it was pretty easy even for me, a biologist. But changing an established forum with unwritten codes of conduct seems really hard, as evidenced by the arguments we have about it here. Specific features you'd like to see? Constructive feedback is awesome.

by desertpear on 08/19/2008 02:01:25 PM EST

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Just use (none / 0)

this.

I nominate Tim as a moderator.

by jarett on 08/19/2008 02:05:22 PM EST

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Yes (none / 0)

please!

by etrnlrvr on 08/19/2008 02:14:59 PM EST

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that's what I used (none / 0)

by desertpear on 08/19/2008 02:20:31 PM EST

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Doh! (none / 0)

Ok Affirmative at your convenience instead

by etrnlrvr on 08/19/2008 03:34:45 PM EST

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: misunderstood (none / 0)

I meant to say that this software is what I used to set up a forum at my company.

by desertpear on 08/19/2008 03:49:48 PM EST

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What's it pay? (none / 0)

Right...moderating this bunch is like herding cats!

by MedfordTim on 08/19/2008 03:50:13 PM EST

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: Perfect analogy, that (none / 0)

moderating this bunch is like herding cats!
A little difficult, maybe. But rewarding because we are all so cute and fluffy.

by OneHitKill on 08/20/2008 03:00:01 AM EST

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Even the people who HATE (none / 0)

the idea of moderation have to acknowledge that Pear makes a devastatingly good point when she says:

"[The forum] it is the face of your website and the first thing new people see when linked here..."

Yes, exactly. I love the show so much that I actually want more and more people to be aware of it. I want more people to listen to it, watch it and read and post about it.

When new people come to The Young Turks website, aside from the streaming video, they see the forums first. When you keep that in mind you realize how important it is to put a little effort in to always keeping it strong (within the financial, technical and time constraints that are very real and that Dave is well aware of).

At any rate, I realize that some people don't care if the show grows and they don't have to. It's great if they're members who keep it going at it's existing level. But there's no need to get angry with and or mock members who want to expand the audience.

by ihavenobias on 08/19/2008 02:24:47 PM EST

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as I said before (none / 0)

It turned me off when I first came here a long time ago. I might have been attracted and become a supporting member at that point, but I didn't because I didn't understand why The Young Turks website was full of front-page blog postings like "Obama is on drugs." At first glance, it is not clear that these are blog posts by anyone. I just assumed that it was the position of certain TYT people.

It was only after a second and much longer experience on the site that I realized that the TYT forum just has no troll policy and decided to become a member.

First impressions matter people. What TYT chooses to do is certainly their business, but I assume they want more engaged participants and more members. Maybe the solution is just to have the diaries/forum off the front page. Link to it. That requires no troll policy, but also gets the extreme right-wing crap off of your front page!!!

by desertpear on 08/19/2008 02:33:23 PM EST

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: I had a similar experience (none / 0)

Of course I was a premium Air America member at the time so I was already downloading TYT pod-casts.

But still, I was also very put off by forums when I first came here for the same reasons. I tried to post about it back then, but my concerns were attacked or mockingly dismissed by the disruptors (and the stubborn who resist change).
by ihavenobias on 08/19/2008 02:37:51 PM EST

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I hear you (none / 0)

"I have been questioning lately whether I want to support a website where the home page is dominated by republican talking points."

I often have this same sentiment. I'm here because I like Cenk's view. I think of him as a sane moderate in a world divided by right and left ideologues, something we desperately need more of right now. I don't know what to make of people who insist on posting viewpoints here that are always 100% diametrically opposed to the viewpoints expressed by the hosts of the site. Personally, if I go to a conservative site it's to learn what they are thinking or saying. I don't go over there with the delusion that I'm going to talk them out of their beliefs. Even if their views piss me off (and they often do) I'm not going to create posts on their site calling them all idiots. It's exactly the same thing as when religious people go to a site where atheists express their views and post comments saying they're all going to burn in hell. Who's the real idiot in this case?

As far as I can see, this kind of behavior is aimed at controlling a site and diluting its message, probably because the person finds that message threatening. I think that's what KenTX does and that's why I find him particularly tiresome. Notice how his messages are virtually never supportive of Cenk's views. I can't bring myself to listen to Rush Limbaugh for more than five minutes because I find his views so tedious. I can't imagine how the hell someone can listen to a show day in and day out where he abhors the message it delivers just so he can post contrary views.

Since Bobo has a bit of a persecution complex, if he's reading this he probably thinks I've been talking about him too. If so he's wrong, that isn't so, I don't feel the same way about his posts, or Acroso's, for that matter. I do think their views are, well, you know...kind of deluded.

by bfaul on 08/19/2008 03:24:00 PM EST

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I am disappointed ... (none / 0)

Dave has seemingly decided to rid us of Kozlo...

Now, as many of you cheer and celebrate, please take a minute to remember that freedom has just been squashed and that when we allow peoples voices to be cut off, we run the risk of allowing others to block our voices from being heard...

:(

by bobo1 on 08/19/2008 02:02:44 PM EST

awwwww (none / 0)

I feel so bad for you bobo. you lost your schmoopy fwend. awwwwww. would bobo wike a sucker?

by hazmat on 08/19/2008 02:05:05 PM EST

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Dont feel bad for me hazzie... (none / 1)

Feel bad for the thought that you are complicit in removing freedoms from Americans...

Aint no shit to me - He wasnt my sock puppet...

I just hope you know how this makes you guys on the left look to those "undecided voters"

Its nice to see that the American Left is comfortable in engaging with the enemy, foreign or domestic...

thats all..

:)

by bobo1 on 08/19/2008 02:09:05 PM EST

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bobo the undecided voter (none / 0)

stop! stopit! you kill me bobo! ah, ah cain't, just stop it man!!!! <uncontrollable laughter>

by hazmat on 08/19/2008 02:15:50 PM EST

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koslo banned (none / 1)

Bobo you are a being a bobo. Banning Koslo is not some kind of defeat for free speech. The overwhelming majority of his posts were completely useless, empty, antagonistic, unproductive. Not the majority of his posts that YOU MIGHT HAVE seen, I'm talking about an overwhelming majority of ALL of his posts, which I reviewed.

David

by yturks on 08/19/2008 02:32:37 PM EST

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don't worry Dave (none / 0)

Not even bobo believes what he says. He just likes to stir up trouble like Ken most of the time.

On my part, I thank you and I'm going to donate $10 to The Young Turks today for your action. Anyone with me?

by desertpear on 08/19/2008 02:36:55 PM EST

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that's a bag of diapers (none / 0)

and I already gave for the conventions. But I'm with you in spirit!

by hazmat on 08/19/2008 02:39:43 PM EST

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sorry (none / 0)

I didn't mean that bobo's comments don't reflect his beliefs, but I do think he sometimes continues and takes it to an extreme when he notices he hit a button. but I could be totally wrong. Hard to know when people just admit that they are just being manipulative to further right-wing messaging.

by desertpear on 08/19/2008 04:26:16 PM EST

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I'm enjoying (none / 0)

his outrage over the violation of Kozlo's first amendment rights. Watching him splutter and sob is quite a spectacle.

by hazmat on 08/19/2008 05:23:26 PM EST

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you really gotta feel some sympathy (none / 0)

Brown people are ruining poor bobo's life.

by desertpear on 08/19/2008 05:40:08 PM EST

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: LOL (none / 0)

by Spencer on 08/19/2008 05:42:02 PM EST

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Done (none / 0)

I just gave $10 for the forum and for Dave's move to ban Kozlo. And I said so in the text box with my donation to make it clear.

by ihavenobias on 08/19/2008 02:44:58 PM EST

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His means even more. (none / 0)

Remember that bias is paying 29% interest on that donation. That's dedication.

by Spencer on 08/19/2008 02:47:04 PM EST

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: Funny (none / 0)

I actually transferred that balance to a 0% for 6 months, 7.99% after that card.

by ihavenobias on 08/19/2008 02:48:31 PM EST

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I love it (none / 0)

Blood money. I'm all in.

by bfaul on 08/19/2008 04:05:58 PM EST

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Dave, (none / 0)

You do what you want, its your forum...

That still doesnt change my disappointment in the fact that you felt compelled to buckle because a few people disagreed with whatever Kozlo was saying...

But I guess you have to look out for the bottom line, and thats business, so be it...

:)

by bobo1 on 08/19/2008 03:21:31 PM EST

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I think you should (none / 0)

start your own enough! protests.

by hazmat on 08/19/2008 03:24:19 PM EST

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Man... (none / 0)

It's not the opinions! It's the method!

I disagree with almost everything you say, but I don't call for you to be banned. Kozlo was flooding the forum with World Net Daily lies and talking points and it was unproductive. Everyone seems to see this but you.

by Spencer on 08/19/2008 03:26:37 PM EST

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Also (none / 0)

He refused to debate his points, which is probably the most aggravating thing about it.

by Spencer on 08/19/2008 03:27:56 PM EST

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Bobo's high horse needs to be put down (none / 0)

you felt compelled to buckle because a few people disagreed with whatever Kozlo was saying...

[LAUGHING SO HARD IT HURTS]

Leave it to Bozo to make this into some kind of bogus First Amendment issue. Nobody agreed with Kozlo because Kozlo was, by his very nature, disagreeable. Even Ken just took his little aural favors and silently walked away without so much as tousling the kid's hair. Kozlo's was a thankless existence and he won't be missed.

by OneHitKill on 08/19/2008 11:04:13 PM EST

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: lol (none / 0)

bobo, you were duped by a true internet troll and you still want to keep him around! You must be desperate for friends. I can't help but think you would be more comfortable with others of your "ilk" (whatever that means) instead of slumming it here on a tiny website forum of progressives.

by desertpear on 08/20/2008 02:50:39 AM EST

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something tells me we havn't (none / 0)

seen the last of kozlo. i have a fealing he will be back

by holy noize on 08/19/2008 07:17:26 PM EST

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everythings (none / 0)

gonna be alright.

Kozlo is a good reminder that we can't slack off. We're going to have to work hard to win this election. the GOP isn't going to roll over just because they are the most reviled organization since the Communist party in this country.

by hazmat on 08/19/2008 07:23:25 PM EST

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: yes (none / 0)

Did you see the smackdown on Countdown last night? I think Olbermann called it the beginnings of a police state during the regular program too. The Republicans have decided it is okay to lie through their teeth and the hypnotized masses are letting them. It's like 1984 (the book, for you youngsters). We gotta fight hard!!

by desertpear on 08/19/2008 07:32:01 PM EST

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freedom vs happiness? (none / 0)

I had to ignore or stop reading whenever he posted so I wasn't experiencing much freedom from my point of view.

But if I could block people that make me not want to read in the first place than people could have all the freedom they want and I could still have mine.

by etrnlrvr on 08/19/2008 02:13:33 PM EST

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but democracy and private enterprise has won! (none / 0)

We voted, you lost. There are many other places you can go to make friends with trolls though.

by desertpear on 08/19/2008 02:20:02 PM EST

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just checking (none / 0)

this is responding to bobo right desertpear?

by etrnlrvr on 08/19/2008 03:19:48 PM EST

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: oh yes, this is to bobo, lover of democracy ;) (none / 0)

by desertpear on 08/19/2008 03:28:13 PM EST

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Silenced how? (none / 0)

All he has to do is register again and post things that are thoughtful and interesting rather than utter crap.

Sure, ban evasion is punishable with a ban, but it's not like Dave would know if he was careful.

by jarett on 08/19/2008 02:54:04 PM EST

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: stupid trolls die hard (none / 0)

by holy noize on 08/19/2008 07:22:03 PM EST

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What a bunch of horseshiot (none / 0)

Now, as many of you cheer and celebrate, please take a minute to remember that freedom has just been squashed and that when we allow peoples voices to be cut off, we run the risk of allowing others to block our voices from being heard...

You mean like this?

and This?

and this?

by MRFred on 08/19/2008 03:01:42 PM EST

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OK, I'm stupid (none / 0)

How do you embed a YouTube? I tried with no success ;(

by desertpear on 08/19/2008 03:09:03 PM EST

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I would suggest... (none / 0)

How do you embed a YouTube? I tried with no success ;(

...dinner at a good restaurant, a good Bordeaux...a romantic walk on a moon lit beach then... BAM!

by MRFred on 08/19/2008 03:21:57 PM EST

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Or (none / 0)

<object width="425" height="344">& lt;param value="http://www.yout ube.com/v/cuRCS_qshV0&a mp;hl=en&fs=1" name="movie">& lt;/param><param value="true" name="allowFullScreen& quot;></param>< embed width="425" src="http://www.youtub e.com/v/cuRCS_qshV0&amp ;hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-sh ockwave-flash" height="344">& lt;/embed></object> ;

You Tube has a embed tag by each video...the Scoop app ( drives the website) only allows certain tags so you will need to strip the allowfullscreen tag out.Also turn off the WYSIWYG editor off so you can paste the HTML. You can also look at the page source and get the embed code.

<object width="425" height="344">& lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.yout ube.com/v/dKe9SdsRF5E&h l=en&fs=1">< /param><param name="allowFullScreen& quot; value="true">& lt;/param><embed src="http://www.youtub e.com/v/dKe9SdsRF5E&hl= en&fs=1" type="application/x-sh ockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true& quot; width="425" height="344">& lt;/embed></object> ;

by MRFred on 08/19/2008 03:34:47 PM EST

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: awesome (none / 0)

it was the little trick I missed.

by desertpear on 08/19/2008 03:51:00 PM EST

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: Thanks Fred (none / 0)

How do you turn off the WYSIWYG editor? Also, have you tried using the ascii codes, I think " is something like %20 or maybe that is backslash, but would that make a difference with allowFullScreen? Could you change the width and height with full screen or you can't use it at all? What is the Scoop app, I'm not familiar with that, that is what runs TYT? Is it some form of PHP or something? When you strip out the WYSIWYG editor can you also use XML like RSS or OPML?
by tiggerporn on 09/07/2008 04:51:29 PM EST

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Blogs are not Democracies (none / 0)

They are marketing tools owned by the administrator. And, as such, the administrator reserves the right to throw anyone they want out of the sandbox for any reason. Dave did the right thing. It's obvious that he is exercising discretion and knows the difference between Kozlo/Acroso and bobo/KenTX.

Way to go, Dave! You've restored artificial peace to our little world.

"Like lipstick on a pig"

by TJD on 08/19/2008 05:23:45 PM EST

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: $20 says the troll will be back (none / 0)

it's only a mater of time...

by holy noize on 08/19/2008 08:10:18 PM EST

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They hate us for our Kozlo (none / 0)

You know how Bush always tells us that the terrorists "hate our freedom?" That's because idiots like Kozlo abuse that freedom, taint it and give it a bad name. You couldn't find me enough people to fill a garage, terrorists or otherwise, who want to sit around listening to that motormouth's babbling.

by OneHitKill on 08/20/2008 03:04:05 AM EST

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Ha Ha (none / 0)

+1 from this "sock puppet" Anyone have his checking account so we can set up direct payment?

FWIW I wish the forum were a normal forum also. It would be a lot easier to participate and block out people you don't want to here from.

by etrnlrvr on 08/19/2008 02:04:35 PM EST

Thank you, Dave. (none / 0)

...although it could have been a lucrative income source.

by MedfordTim on 08/19/2008 03:34:25 PM EST

Just an opinion (none / 1)

As one of the "Old Timers" old timers who never want anything to change because they're comfortable."who has been around since the Sirius days, and as someone who has supported every one's right to participate in the forum I'll throw my two cents into the pot.

The idea of the forum is for discussion and debate. Kozlo did neither. Our dearly departed Super Ninja Soldier with special secret killer training Chuzlife ended up doing neither.

There have been a few idiots from the left who did neither.

I have said many times the forum is the sole property of TYT and they have the right to set the rules as they see fit.

For the last several years the forum has been active and there has been some great post, some silly post, some stupid post, and for the most part it's been an interesting place to come.

Bobo I'm sorry you feel like freedom has been squashed. As has often been said, freedom of speech doesn't mean you can yell fire in a crowded theatre.

Common courtesy also means don't play your music so loud that the neighbors down the street can hear it, and if you do you can be cited for violation of noise ordinance.

Kozlo was an example of both. No one wanted to hear his music, and he disrupted the forum with his stupid post.

I don't go to the movies to hear people talk through the entire thing, and I don't come to this forum to see 200 post of the same thing over and over.

Now if there was a ignore button so you could just block the post of people like Koslo I would say let him waste his time, but that's not the case.

Freedom of Speech is a right guaranteed by the Constitution and no one is telling Koslo he can't talk, but this is a site owned by TYT and they can indeed decide who has abused the right to post here.

Personally I found Kozlo hilarious, but I can understand how others found his post disruptive, so I will stand behind Dave's decision.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 08/19/2008 06:47:55 PM EST

kozlo in moderation (none / 0)

made the forums feal alive. too much and blogging becomes pointless. as much as i miss that damn troll i know in my heart he will be back.

on the bright side, mabey he will get a life

Gratzi, Gratzi Dave!

by holy noize on 08/19/2008 08:15:01 PM EST

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Wait a sec (none / 0)

You keep predicting he'll return. Know something we don't?

holy noize = Heiny 'Ozlo

by ashbul on 08/19/2008 09:59:50 PM EST

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