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Sorry to bump the blogs.  I thought position #20 would be a good cutoff.  Feedback welcome.

 


 

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I agree with the 20 cutoff. (none / 0)
What are those pics of?

by Spencer on 08/19/2008 05:36:07 PM EST

I predict some speculation on this subject.... (none / 0)

by desertpear on 08/19/2008 05:37:59 PM EST

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what is that thing? (none / 0)
that is like some nasty fucking alien spawn of a seal and an eel. if we don't kill them all, humanity is DOOMED!!!

by holy noize on 08/19/2008 05:51:15 PM EST

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BOBO!!!!! (none / 0)

 

SOMEONE had to do it.....

by MedfordTim on 08/19/2008 07:23:26 PM EST

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I'll start with *breaking news* (none / 0)

Rachel Maddow GOT HER OWN SHOW!!!! Another reason to like Daily Kos - Keith Olbermann posts there regularly, so you can "talk at him."

by desertpear on 08/19/2008 05:36:45 PM EST

Awesome news! (none / 0)
I'm taking full credit for this.  I sent what feels like a thousand e-mails to them.  If this means anything, I also sent them tons of e-mails about TYT.  I'm not saying anything, I'm just saying...

by Spencer on 08/19/2008 05:41:10 PM EST

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I sent only a few emails (none / 0)
Now....we need to get Cenk on her show...so he can be a regular guest commentator!!

by desertpear on 08/19/2008 05:42:26 PM EST

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Indeed (none / 0)

They seemed to mesh pretty well on Meet the Bloggers. 

Hopefully Rachel can dress normally on her new show and not in the Clinton-esque style they shove her into on Countdown/Road to the Whitehouse.

by Spencer on 08/19/2008 05:44:08 PM EST

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Shoot, I didn't realize (none / 0)
Maddow is replacing Abrams, and I actually really like Abrams. He's pretty damn fair IMO.

This is a big win and a medium loss IMO. If Maddow had replaced David Gregory's show, it woulda been a huge win-win.

by ihavenobias on 08/19/2008 06:10:06 PM EST

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Maybe Abrams (none / 0)
is going to get Gregory's spot when they move his hack ass to Meet the Press after the election.

by Spencer on 08/19/2008 06:12:46 PM EST

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I hope so (none / 0)
He's WAY better than Gregory.

by ihavenobias on 08/19/2008 06:15:22 PM EST

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Abrams (none / 0)
I certainly agree. I like Abrams. He has a set on him and like Maddow speaks truth to power.  I haven't read the info behind the decision yet, but maybe they are planning bigger and better options for Abrams.  I am glad for Rachel tho. 

by psyche2 on 08/19/2008 08:26:48 PM EST

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Maddow is great (none / 0)
and this is awesome news.

And yes, Cenk needs to be a regular commentator (or at the VERY least a guest here and there).

by ihavenobias on 08/19/2008 05:55:40 PM EST

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Wow! (none / 0)
Great news!  Although I felt like this was just a matter of time.  Just like I feel like Cenk getting his own show is just a matter of time (if he can just tone down the "idiot" stuff a LITTLE).  :D

by blueheartinaredstate on 08/19/2008 06:28:18 PM EST

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its a gamorrean guard (none / 0)

...swimming.

by hazmat on 08/19/2008 05:45:22 PM EST

Hilarious. (none / 0)

Now guess this animal.

 

by Spencer on 08/19/2008 05:50:19 PM EST

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haha ha (none / 0)

But this is a much better costume to scare the kids.  The vet bill is kinda high, but so worth it.

 

by desertpear on 08/19/2008 05:52:55 PM EST

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Damn it. (none / 0)

This one is better.

And now I'm flooding and bordering on becoming the cute puppy version of Kozlo. 

by Spencer on 08/19/2008 05:51:31 PM EST

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Those are snappers (none / 0)

aren't they?

As for a random question I want to ask:

Is anyone else here a big Pearl Jam fan?  Any Jammers here?  :)

I love that they occasionally use PJ music between segments, but resent that they are all from the first two albums.

:) 

by blueheartinaredstate on 08/19/2008 05:52:14 PM EST

No wait......... (none / 0)
They are sea turtles.  They are some kind of large turtle anyway. 

by blueheartinaredstate on 08/19/2008 05:55:26 PM EST

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Actually (none / 0)

I only owned one Pearl Jam album before I started listening to TYT, but because they played them I went back and bought some of their other albums.  They're okay.  I usually find two or three great songs on each.

Since you brought up music, everyone should go buy the new EP from One Day as a Lion.  It's the new side project of Zack de la Rocha (the singer from Rage Against the Machine) and the drummer from The Mars Volta.  I loved it.

by Spencer on 08/19/2008 05:57:39 PM EST

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Which Mars Volta drummer (none / 0)
Thomas Pridgen?  He's a fucking drum god.  Gonna try to see if it's on iTunes.  I love The Mars Volta.

"Like lipstick on a pig"

by TJD on 08/20/2008 01:42:28 PM EST

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Sorry, no. (none / 0)
It's Jon Theodore.  His crazy style goes well with Zack's.

by Spencer on 08/20/2008 02:34:54 PM EST

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nope not snappers (none / 0)
But you get a prize for correct taxonomic order!  I'll divulge later tonight.  If anyone gets it right before then, I'll have to donate to TYT again.

by desertpear on 08/19/2008 05:58:39 PM EST

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HELL YEAH!!! (none / 0)
pearl jam was one of the best things to come out the 90's, next to the rise of the internet and N64

by holy noize on 08/19/2008 06:04:07 PM EST

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I would like to note that......... (none / 0)

They are STILL going on strong.  The biggest and most consistent live draw in the country.  :D

 OK, desert, you have laid down the gaunlet.  I shall have to figure out what those critters and and make a cooter pie out of them.  ;)

by blueheartinaredstate on 08/19/2008 06:30:39 PM EST

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the truth (none / 0)
The truth about these critters is almost as weird as their face.  I'm still not sure whether to believe certain of the claims about them. 

by desertpear on 08/19/2008 06:42:15 PM EST

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with that title (none / 0)
I had my flamethrower cocked and ready, hazmat suit on.

by hazmat on 08/19/2008 06:53:32 PM EST

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Got spare time? Want to be in polls? (none / 0)

I just found out about Zogby recruiting for poll takers. If you already heard about it, sorry to be repetitive.

Zogby Interactive's Online Polling

From the site:

How it works:

1. Complete the online registration page and submit it to us.

2. Zogby Interactive will e-mail you and inform you when an online poll is ready for you to take.

3. Complete the survey. (Easy? We thought so.)

4. Zogby International will e-mail you and inform you when results are available to view.

5. See how your opinion stacks up.

6. Be ready to voice your opinion with the leading public opinion pollster in the world. If you would like the results of the poll you took (as well as other poll results and Zogby International information), be sure to check the check-box asking if you would like Zogby International press releases and other Zogby information sent to you in the future.

by MedfordTim on 08/19/2008 07:15:34 PM EST

Thanks Tim (none / 0)
Good info.

by ihavenobias on 08/19/2008 07:35:04 PM EST

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Countdown Special Comment (none / 0)

Just in case some of you aren't aware that you can see Keith Olbermann's Countdown show online.  Yesterday's show was great as usual, but the best part was a Special Comment smackdown on McCain.  Share it with your friends ;) 

"When you had the tastelessness to paraphrase the rallying cry of 9/11 and say that we are now all Georgians, that nation’s President called you out. He said that your words were very nice, but he needed action not a verbal receipt from a lobbyist and his pet Senator!"

by desertpear on 08/19/2008 07:40:50 PM EST

Olbermann (none / 0)

I have Countdown on my bookmarks.  Watch exclusively on line. Haven't seen the Special Comment you are talking about yet.  Been outta town since this a.m. Brother had a heart procedure today. Doc said no blockage. 

I missed alot of shit today. BOZO getting banned from the site and all.  

BTW, the above post is classic Olbermann. LOL 

by psyche2 on 08/19/2008 08:36:20 PM EST

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McCain may pick lieberman (none / 0)
There is a god.

by hazmat on 08/19/2008 09:02:14 PM EST

pleaseohplease (none / 0)

by hazmat on 08/19/2008 09:04:07 PM EST

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that photo is soooo good (none / 0)
what is up with all this republican kissing and hugging?  Can't they just shake like men? 

by desertpear on 08/20/2008 03:28:04 AM EST

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sure they can (none / 0)

and sometimes they hold hands.

 

by hazmat on 08/20/2008 04:44:13 PM EST

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ka-zing! (none / 0)

by desertpear on 08/21/2008 01:42:08 AM EST

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obama has to pick hillary (none / 0)
If he does, it confirms they are panicking.

by KenTX on 08/19/2008 09:19:49 PM EST

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sounds like a beer wager (none / 0)

by hazmat on 08/19/2008 09:35:16 PM EST

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what you call panicking (none / 0)
I would call winning.  let's face it--you say these things because Hillary is the one you really fear on the ticket.

by desertpear on 08/20/2008 01:32:55 AM EST

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Africanized? (none / 0)
How does it confirm they're panicking?  Nothing you say makes any damn sense lately.  Are you under attack by some killer bees or something?

by OneHitKill on 08/20/2008 03:06:49 AM EST

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I don't get it (none / 0)
Someone is claiming to have 'contracted' (wrong word, Pear help me out here) a tapeworm (a nine footer no less) in Chicago.

He says it was from undercooked fish.

I have to ask, why doesn't this happen more often with Sushi? Is it just the type of fish? But I mean, people eat raw Salmon, don't they?

by ihavenobias on 08/19/2008 09:20:40 PM EST

type of fish is important (none / 0)

Most fish used for sushi don't have a high parasite load, or at least not parasites that can live out their lives in the human body. 

Salmon are an exception, but I wasn't familiar with this tapeworm, so I did a little searching. 

OMG is this the coolest tapeworm in the world or WHAT??

"Diphyllobothrium is the longest tapeworm of man and occasionally reaches a length of 10 meters. The tapeworm usually resides in the ileum and jejunum and may have a life span as long as 20 years. The life of Diphyllobothrium is complex and includes two intermediate hosts and a definitive host of man. Twenty-two mammals have been shown to be definitive hosts for the adult worm including dog, cat, walrus, bear, seal, fox, and whale." 

It seems a particular fish tapeworm originating from fish farms in Chile are probably to blame.  Here is an excellent article.  Ah, but it is found in Alaskan salmon too.  The drawbacks and impacts of salmon farming are many.  So, don't buy it please.  These farms are already hurting our healthiest native salmon runs in Canada and Alaska.  You might want to avoid raw salmon in sushi bars.  Chew well Grasshopper.  I always do with raw salmon.

The worms I am familiar with in Pacific salmon are the Anisakis worms.  They also have a fascinating life history in which they pass through a number of hosts to complete their life cycle.  Eggs hatch in the sea and larvae are eaten by crustaceans (like krill).  Then, when the crustacean is eaten by a fish or squid, the nematode burrows into the wall of the gut or muscle, encysted in a protective coat.  The life cycle is only complete when the fish is eaten by a marine mammal (seal, whale or dolphin--definitive hosts), when the nematode then encysts in the intestine, feeds, grows, mates, and releases eggs through the host's feces into the sea again.  Our guts are similar enough to the marine mammals that the worm can lodge in there and wreak havoc, but I'm not sure if they reproduce.  They eventually die in the human--so sad.  Here is endoscopy video footage of one inside a guy's intestine.  How can you not love the internet??

It is harder to get the tapeworms than you think though.  So, it's just one of those risks you take.  It happens more commonly in Japan.

by desertpear on 08/20/2008 02:01:50 AM EST

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Is that what that thing is? (none / 0)

A Diphyllobothrium?  Come on!  Out with it already.

Bonus random open thread biology fact:  The gene that causes genitals to form in flies is called the "Ken gene".  They say it's named after Barbie's gay boyfriend, but I think it's named after our local TYT Ken, because his arguments are so weak that he gives even the most meek posters a healthy set of balls.

by Spencer on 08/20/2008 02:14:26 AM EST

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nice! (none / 0)

how obscure is that? 

No, this is not the giant tapeworm, but that would be cool.

Are you ready for the craziest turtle story of all time? 

The Hoan Kiem turtle lives in a shallow lake in Hanoi, Vietnam. The western world thought the Vietnamese were referring to a mythical creature when they talked about it.  There is more...

I'll be right back.  and damn, photobukkit is down for maintenance.

by desertpear on 08/20/2008 02:45:21 AM EST

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440lbs! (none / 0)
That's a big turtle.  It really looks like a seal or something, especially with those wrinkles on his face looking like whiskers.  Very odd...

by Spencer on 08/20/2008 02:55:05 AM EST

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it looks like a sea turtle almost (none / 0)

I think this article was the most complete.

oh curse you photobucket!

by desertpear on 08/20/2008 02:59:19 AM EST

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I still need to dig up more on this toitle. (none / 0)

This wasn't the very best translation, so I fixed some things, here goes:

 

It is believed that Kim Qui is the King of the turtles currently living in Luc Thuy (Hoan Kiem) Lake. [okay, pretty fanciful, I agree]

 

The second legend explains the name of Hoan Kiem (Lake of Restored Sword) of King Le Thai To.

 

In 1418, a farmer named Le Loi (future King Le Thai To) gathered an insurrection army in Thanh Hoa Province. He proclaimed himself Binh Dinh Vuong (King of Pacification), led the resistance against the aggressors for 10 years, and regained national independence.

 

The name of the lake is derived from a legend that a fisherman named Le Than caught a sword blade in his fishnet. He decided to give it to his commanding general Le Loi.

 

He kept this sword at his side during 10 years of resistance against Ming aggressors. After winning over the foreign aggression, King Le Thai To returned to Thang Long Citadel. One day, aboard a royal boat, he took a cruise on Luc Thuy Lake when a giant turtle emerged and came towards him.  The king withdrew his sword and pointed it at the  turtle to draw his soldiers' attention. Suddenly, the turtle grabbed the sword in its teeth and submerged. [I would say this is not implausible] The king thought that during the resistance against Ming aggressors, the genius [maybe this is supposed to be "genie??" it's obviously translated wrong] had offered him this sword to help him defeat the enemy. At that time, peace was returning, and the genius [genie] appeared to take back the sword.

 

Consequently, King Le Thai To decided to name the lake ‘Hoan Kiem’ (Lake of Restored Sword). In the middle of the lake is Thap Rua (Turtle Tower).  (damn you photobucket maintenance)

 

Prof Duc believes the turtle that made off with Le Loi's sword is still living in the lake. That would make it about 550 years old.

 

He explained that the turtles live in the Hoan Kiem Lake only, but according to his research, only one turtle is in the lake now. The turtle is recognised by its head with a white spot and a left-incline when swimming.

 

Mr Duc said the turtle may be related to the trionychidae species, the Rafetus swinhoei, a species found in China. [I think this was confirmed]

 

Another supposition might be the King Le Thai To brought the turtles from Thanh Hoa Province to release them in Hoan Kiem Lake, according to Mr Duc.  Large turtles have been caught in Lam Kinh District in Thanh Hoa, some weighing in at 150 kilograms.

 

‘It would be wonderful if the turtles in Lam King were related to Rafetus Leloii turtles. The problem is we do not know how to test Rafetus Leloii’s sex. Moreover, he now is too old’. Mr Duc said.

 

Impossible to explain, Hoan Kiem’s turtle usually surfaces around the lake during events related to the history of King Le Loi.

by desertpear on 08/20/2008 03:17:34 AM EST

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oops (none / 0)

I didn't review that first.  Kinda long. 

I think the final verdict is that there is one surviving member of the Chinese species Rafetus swinhoei in this Hanoi lake. 

The specimen located in Hoan Kiem Lake in Hanoi is thought to be the legendary Kim Qui, or Golden Turtle God, who has appeared at opportune moments throughout Vietnamese history. The golden turtle first appeared during the reign of King An Duong Vuong (257-207 BC) and assisted the king in the construction of defenses for the ancient capital of Co Loa...

In 1999, 2000, and 2005 turtles have reemerged from Hoan Kiem Lake on special occasions, when it was seen by a large audience and caught on film. It is believed that there is only a single turtle left in the lake.

One last turtle who may have been there 500 years.  Sort of like Nessie.

by desertpear on 08/20/2008 03:23:14 AM EST

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There's a Pixar movie here somewhere. (none / 0)
Kinda depressing that it's been alone all this time.  Good thing animals don't have feelings huh?  ;)

by Spencer on 08/20/2008 03:28:48 AM EST

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next thing you know (none / 0)

Oh, I think there were more and this is just the very last of the last. It's probably not the same one that grabbed the sword. [we can wish]

They will "save" it and take it to Chicago.  I hear Shedd is already busy constructing the fake lake and temple. 

I don't think turtles worry about existential sorts of things, but it is probably curious when it comes up and people treat it as a holy figure.  It must just hide down in the mud for months, poking its nostrils out for air once in a while.

by desertpear on 08/20/2008 03:33:42 AM EST

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the lake and turtle temple (none / 0)

by desertpear on 08/20/2008 01:21:59 PM EST

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Ken Gene (none / 0)
I thought it was cause his genitalia was the size of a fly, but yours is more clever.

by ProfRich on 08/20/2008 06:58:16 AM EST

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That's not how you described it (none / 0)
when you were choking.

by KenTX on 08/20/2008 07:28:49 AM EST

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spencer (none / 0)

are you a developmental biologist, by any chance?

by hazmat on 08/20/2008 04:45:31 PM EST

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Nope (none / 0)

But I do have a doctorate in useless facts.  ;)

by Spencer on 08/20/2008 04:53:54 PM EST

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we must have attended the same university (none / 0)
of curiousity

by desertpear on 08/21/2008 01:43:28 AM EST

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that's good (none / 0)
all facts are useless when debating republicans.

by hazmat on 08/21/2008 01:59:52 AM EST

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True (none / 0)

by Spencer on 08/21/2008 02:05:12 AM EST

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sushi gets flash frozen... (none / 0)
so it's pretty safe to eat for the most part.  it's sashimi that you have to worry about. 

by chrisandyasemin on 08/20/2008 03:19:05 AM EST

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ah you are right (none / 0)

"FDA requires all fish with a potential hazard of parasites that is intended for raw consumption to be previously frozen. Freezing fish to -20ºC [-4ºF] or below for 7 days or -35ºC [-31ºF] or below for 15 hours will kill the parasites. Since the restaurants don't want to take any risk and want to avoid supply and demand price fluctuations, most go even further and freeze all fish (not only the ones that could be infected) before serving them raw. So, all that "fresh" sushi you've been eating is previously frozen."

That's probably true for most salmon in sushi bars, which is usually served marinated or smoked anyway.  But I guess every once in a while...  one slip and a 30 foot parasite is living your life for you!!  ;)

by desertpear on 08/20/2008 03:26:51 AM EST

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Why the distinction? (none / 0)

Sashimi is a component of most sushi.  Do you mean, they flash freeze the sashimi used to make sushi?  Wouldn't they do that with any and all fish intended for raw consumption in the US?  It's a long way from the ocean to Chicago, after all. 

You can further reduce the (already negligible) chance of getting sick by drinking green tea with your sushi, which contains catechin.  That kills a lot of the bacteria responsible for food poisoning.

by OneHitKill on 08/20/2008 03:40:43 AM EST

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I didn't get that either (none / 0)

I wondered if it is just one of those self-enforced kind of rules that get broken all the time.  I believe all the large tuna are flash frozen at sea when caught, right?  I mean for the most part.  But salmon can often be bought fresh, having never been frozen. Maybe even flown to Chicago.  After all, look at the lobster trade.

I did not know about the green tea.  hopefully it goes well with cold sake. mmmmm.  lucidity

by desertpear on 08/20/2008 03:45:29 AM EST

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We could use a whole thread on (none / 0)
Andrew Zimmerman, the chubby bald guy on Food Network who eats "bizzare foods".

He's always eating stuff that's raw. And by raw I mean he'll eat something that came out of the water 10 minutes ago (on the preview for the new season he eats a fish heart that's still beating).

by ihavenobias on 08/20/2008 11:03:02 AM EST

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If it swims, eat it (none / 0)
Living here has changed me.  It used to be, I saw a big sea bream in the grocery store, head attached, eyes looking at me, and all I saw was a smelly fish.  But when a Japanese sees that same sea bream, their vocal reaction is "That looks good."  I'm not sure when it happened for the first time, maybe last year sometime, but at some point I reached the point where I can look at that whole fish and catch myself thinking, "That looks good."

by OneHitKill on 08/20/2008 01:14:57 PM EST

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I admire people who can eat anything (none / 0)
But it's not for me. I'm very much grossed out by heads, eyes, organ meats, insects, fatty cuts of meat with bone and cartilage.

by ihavenobias on 08/20/2008 01:33:55 PM EST

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but if it moves, kill it first!! (none / 0)
exceptions made for bivalves

by desertpear on 08/21/2008 01:44:17 AM EST

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I would hate to be eaten alive (none / 0)

I thought I might try a mopane worm in Namibia, but when the time came and a basket of giant fried caterpillars went around the table, I had to pass.

 

by desertpear on 08/20/2008 01:18:51 PM EST

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Do have the Travel Channel? (none / 0)
It's with a lot of basic cable packages, you don't pay extra (that I'm aware of).

There are some really good shows, and I highly recommended Bizzare Foods with Andrew Zimmerman. He travels to interesting places and eats ANYTHING that the locals eat.

by ihavenobias on 08/20/2008 01:35:14 PM EST

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I don't watch TV or have cable (none / 0)
I just watch TV series from netflix.  I share your fear of some of those food things.  Has he been to the Korean dog markets?  THAT is some nasty shit going down.  But yes, just as nasty are our factory farms.

by desertpear on 08/20/2008 01:48:04 PM EST

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He's been everywhere (none / 0)
If you had TV you'd spend your free time watching National Geographic, Animal Planet, Discovery Channel, etc!

So probably better that you don't. :)

by ihavenobias on 08/20/2008 04:10:41 PM EST

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I'd much rather be watching a real chipmunk (none / 0)
Than a lion on TV.  or something like that.  I spend enough time in front of a screen nowadays!  Plus, so much is coming online.  Not all of best quality, but some is great, like Bill Moyers and Countdown.  and hey, all those you mention are either watchable online or available through netflix.  Ain't the future grand?

by desertpear on 08/21/2008 01:46:36 AM EST

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Manduca (none / 0)

by hazmat on 08/20/2008 04:47:53 PM EST

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sphynxies? (none / 0)

I had to look that up, I admit.  The mopane worms are larvae of Gonimbrasia [Imbrassia?] belina, the Emperor Moth.  Reading it is making me lose my appetite though.

Do they eat the hawkmoths in Mexico?  Seems like I've heard something about that, but can't remember.

Actually, I wish I weren't so turned off by the idea of bugs as food.  It would be really convenient. or slugs even!!

by desertpear on 08/21/2008 02:41:05 AM EST

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worst sushi ever (none / 0)
reminds me of the time i went camping with an old girlfriend at some remote lake.  I caught a fish for the night, attempted to make a fire with the wet leaves, and cut the fish up with a butter knife.  It was a horrible experience and I should of just resorted to the can of pork and beans we brought as back up.  I was determined to show my survival instinct, though the damn fish wouldn't cook in the foil on the fire, not to mention we had no light since the fire was barely burning.  Eventually I had to eat the damn fish and the raw fish tasted like lake - nasty fish!

by rev24 on 08/20/2008 01:03:43 PM EST

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it wasn't raining too? (none / 0)
Rain would have completed the experience!  I hope you were smart enough to bring the Jameson.

by desertpear on 08/20/2008 01:49:41 PM EST

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I listen to TYT a day late (none / 0)
so I don't know if Cenk mentioned this yet, but I think these ads are awesome.

by Spencer on 08/21/2008 01:18:46 AM EST

I like the one on taxes (none / 0)
The other is too obscure for the retards trying to pass as Americans these days.  But the first one is excellent!!

by desertpear on 08/21/2008 01:50:01 AM EST

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