Killing Barak With Hillary's Kindness

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There is only one animal in nature that plays with its prey after it is captured; cats. Cats will ofter release the prey and capture it again and again. They repeat this behavior several times until the final blow is delivered.


The cats "play" certainly does no harm to the cat and other than appearing to be terribly cruel , there is a purpose to the cats behavior in the big scheme of things. They do this, animal behaviorists tell us to sharpen the hunting and capture instincts and skills.

One thing for certain,the cat will be a better hunter and  the prey will be consumed. Not so in politics.

After the Iowa Obama victory, Hillary was rocked back on her heels. The cakewalk to the convention she and her advisors expected would now become, in the words of Jon Stewart, "a Bataan death march to the nomination."

As the primary season rolled on a bit further it became obvious that Hillary was developing a winning strategy to use against Obama. Clinton beat Obama during the primary campaigns where she strongly attacked  his leadership and security experience (The silly, but effective 3 a.m. call to the White House). Then...inexplicably...she stopped and moved on to other diversions like lattes and elitistism. 

Why? Internal divisions in her campaign and her desire not to soil Obamas national credentials and preserve him as a running mate...a myriad of other reasons including race were speculated by the pundits. In short the measured response strategy, beat him but not hurt him...failed. By the time she resumed the attacks later in the campaign..she simply ran out of time.

Big deal you may think to yourself. Actually it is a very big deal , Hillary's vacillations may cost the Democrats the Whitehouse this year and in the long run deprived the party of a great candidate for the future.

Why Democrats do this is a mystery to me.  I boxed in high school and periodically in inter-service competition...If you have your opponent on the ropes after you have exploited a weakness...finish him...hard and fast. Its better for both you and your opponent...the bout is over and there is less chance of lasting injury to either fighter.

 Now McCain has the playbook..

 

"The McCain campaign believes that some of Hillary Clinton's tactics, especially questioning whether Obama is ready to lead, can be a real winner."

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has more credibility coming from you than from Ken. Are you making a prediction?

by hazmat on 08/20/2008 04:15:20 PM EST


only if Obama lets the attacks go unanswered without an effective counter, then yes, he's toast.

The difference is that there is no party unity issue to deal with here like there was with Hillary. He needs to go for the jugular now. But hes got to work fast..summer is almost over and politics will be at the fore front soon.

by MRFred on 08/20/2008 04:32:46 PM EST

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They certainly don't want Obama to win in 2008.

If Obama wins, Hillary will never be president. She will be too old in 2016, and the country will be sick of eight years of Dems.

Look for Clinton Inc to work out of the basement of the McCain Campaign HQ.

The only way to put Clinton Inc on ice is to put Hillary on the ticket.

I can't believe I'm the only guy conviced that Hillary will be the VP.

by KenTX on 08/20/2008 04:53:59 PM EST

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All spin and propaganda aside for this comment:

Its an outside possibility. But Obama strikes me as being a bit too cautious. If he would embrace the fact that, as a mixed race man ,making it this far was a longshot and go for McCain agressively, boldly and directly and through surregates he would be fine. The 4 corners "hold the lead" defense worked for Dean Smith...not in politics. If Clinton would do that he should suck up his pride or antipathy and go forward.

We'll see.

Now back to the games...

Asshole!

by MRFred on 08/20/2008 05:04:04 PM EST

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Just like I predicted! The Hillary people are slippin around with the McCain people.

If Obama doesn't put Hillary on the ticket, he's going to be battling Clinton Inc from now until November.

by KenTX on 08/20/2008 05:26:08 PM EST

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and fairly loathsome. This is why democrats don't win elections. Their a bunch of fucking cannibals.

by hazmat on 08/20/2008 05:28:08 PM EST

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The only participants man enough to show up and not run away when the news gets bad are Hazmat and Mr. Fred.

This is a character test, and only two men passed the test.

by KenTX on 08/20/2008 05:44:04 PM EST

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Ive had school all afternoon...

You are both (MRFred and Ken) right on the money on this - He really ought to consider Clinton for VP, not because it is strategically sound, but it gets her part of the Dem base working for him as opposed to against it...

Fred, you are right to say that the "cat" will always weaken its prey, and Ken is right when he says that the only way to truly unify this party is to appease the Clintonites and put her on the ticket

But Ive been saying that for months and no one listens? Hmmm...


:)

by bobo1 on 08/20/2008 06:36:18 PM EST

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"But Ive been saying that for months and no one listens? Hmmm..."

Should we go back over some of the other things you'd been saying for months?  Maybe nobody listens to you because you've had about as many different opinions as you've had liver transplants.  Spare me the self congrats.  Don't you have a new Lou Dobbs show to masturbate to or something?

by Spencer on 08/21/2008 01:01:38 AM EST

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But I'll man up.

I quit posting for a while because I have been disappointed with the Democratic Party and it's supporters determination to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

I said it early on that I didn't think it was a good idea to nominate Obama, because of the negatives, and pissed a few people on this forum off in the process.

It's not that I think Obama is not Presidential material, I was looking at the big picture were all the Democrats had to do was nominate a mediocre white guy and it would be a blow out, but instead they have to show just how hip and happening they are and jump on the media driven circus of "The first serious Black Man to run for President."

The reality is Obama should have been the Vice Presidential nominee and heir apparent to whoever won.

In my opinion Obama's biggest mistake in the entire process was one quote.

"I am confident I will get her votes if I'm the nominee," Obama stressed. "It's not clear she would get the votes I got if she were the nominee."

That one statement created more resentment among Clinton supporters than any of the Racist Card tricks they pulled out. We all remember...Bill Clinton is a racist because he pointed out that Jesse Jackson won South Carolina so it's not surprising that Obama would do well.

All of that being said.....you play the hand you're dealt, and Obama is going to be the nominee.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 08/20/2008 11:59:22 PM EST

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and say I like this post. I don't agree with it entirely, but I don't get the sense that Hubble is wants anything but a democratic win, so I take his opinion very seriously.

I don't have any desire to open old wounds. Despite some of the handwringing in the demosphere, I'm not convinced that Barack Obama is doing a terrible job yet. In any fight there are going to be ups and downs. Y'all didn't expect John McCain to lay down and expire didja? Not with Rove's organisation surrounding him. Oh no. I think Obama sees the big picture, and like that article I linked below, I think he has the best organization we've seen in a while. But for all the reasons we've discussed here, I'll admit I'm a little worried.

by hazmat on 08/21/2008 12:17:45 AM EST

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I don't know that the country can take another four years of McBush.

The reason I'm so sure of my opinion is simple. My wife.

I have been married tomorrow for 32 years to a woman who has voted Democrat in every election since she was old enough to vote but 1, when she voted for Anderson over Carter because of what he said about kicking Kennedy's ass in 80.

When Obama made the above referenced comment she vowed not to vote for him. The funny thing is she was a Edwards supporter not a Hillary supporter, but the arrogance of the statement pissed her off to the point of her vowing not to vote for him. Can you imagine how Hillary's supporters felt?

Understand this has nothing to do with race, or any of the other bullshit reasons that you might throw out there, it's based purely on a female taking the arrogance of his statement and being insulted by his presumptuousness.

She shared my opinion that America wasn't ready for a female President, but if anyone could do it it would be Hillary, and that America wasn't ready for a Black president with the all the negatives Obama had  combined with his relative inexperience.

So while the Dems were congratulating themselves on how progressive they were, I was looking at big picture and didn't like what I saw.

Do I still want the Dems to win....without a doubt, but I fear in an attempt to make a statement the Dems may have thrown away a golden opportunity.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 08/21/2008 12:47:35 AM EST

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I agree with Hubble too and felt a few similar feelings.  I supported Edwards and I liked his progressive stance on healthcare.  But I would have voted for Hillary almost as easily in the beginning. I understand why Obama leaped into the race, and I understand why Hillary may have gone overboard in striking back.  Any person would have been eager for some of his blood if, like Hillary, they were almost a sure thing until he came along and joined the race.  But it doesn't change the fact that Democrats fail by eating their own. 

Like you haz, I have a lot of faith in Obama despite his relative lack of experience.  The President doesn't do it all by himself after all.  He is a good man, as are the people who stand by him. 

by desertpear on 08/21/2008 03:14:32 AM EST

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I was gone today too, and a transsexual has to eat, and I'm catching up on all the cryptozoological sightings.

Not running, still reading, but getting tie-tie tonight.

by desertpear on 08/21/2008 03:01:45 AM EST

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I thought conservatives were a spiteful lot for saying that hillary's only ambition in life was to run for president, and that it was the basis for absolutely every statement and every action she took in public, anywhere. As things unfolded, they turned out to be right. So however unlikely it seems to me, I will concede that this is an eminent possibility. If Ken is right about this, he deserves props I guess. But I don't see how this is desperation. We all like Hillary, and having her team on board in the traditional attack position (what they're really good at) is a plus. I think she's a net neutral. I'm more worried that Barack is allowing McCain to define him and ceding too much ground in the interest of "civility". McCain is totally uncivil, and it ain't hurting him a bit. Obama is beginning to look a little bit Kerry-esque.

by hazmat on 08/20/2008 05:24:05 PM EST

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(Except for Bill Clinton)*

How do you think we keep winning!

by KenTX on 08/20/2008 05:28:18 PM EST

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Man, let that bitch fly at McCain!! 

Part of me wishes he would choose her as his VP.  And I wasn't even a supporter, aside from the first two weeks of the campaign maybe.  But there are a lot of drawbacks too.  I think only a teeny chance he will pick her, but I will go out on a limb and say it is a possibility, and even acknowledge it could be because the race is getting tougher.  It shouldn't be this hard to beat the Repubs!!  Dems need to wise up about campaigns.  I'm moving to Australia. 

by desertpear on 08/21/2008 03:06:38 AM EST

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I can’t believe I feel the need to cheer you guys up, but after reading comments like this, I’m actually starting to feel sorry for you. I need you guys to stay strong. I'm not here to debate a bunch of wimps.

DP:
“Democrats fail by eating their own. I'm moving to Australia.” 
Hubble: “The Dems may have thrown away a golden opportunity.”
Hazmat: “For all the reasons we've discussed here, I'll admit I'm a little worried. This is why democrats don't win elections. They’re a bunch of fucking cannibals.”

I would still give the advantage to Obama. Right now, I would place his odds of victory at 55%.
But if Obama chooses anybody but Hillary as his VP running mate, and the Clinton forces secretly team up with the McCain forces to make sure Hillary has a clean shot in 2012, then the advantage swings decidedly to McCain.

by KenTX on 08/21/2008 05:31:07 AM EST

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Reaching across the aisle to cheer us all up was very nice of you.

I to would give the advantage to Obama, but in my mind it shouldn't really be a question of advantage.

From my viewpoint even if Obama wins it still comes at a cost. If the race is as close as it appears it's going to be then Obama will offfer no coattails to other Dems running for office.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 08/21/2008 08:26:37 AM EST

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should be interesting, regardless of your political leanings.

by hazmat on 08/20/2008 11:39:43 PM EST


You gotta love this trend.
trend

by KenTX on 08/21/2008 05:08:06 AM EST

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Even you can see the trend doesn't favor McCain if you look at the whole graph, dummy.

by OneHitKill on 08/21/2008 10:05:28 AM EST

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Don't worry your pretty little head about numbers, Sally.

by KenTX on 08/21/2008 11:06:48 AM EST

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Just LOOK at the thing, Ken.

by OneHitKill on 08/23/2008 11:12:24 AM EST

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