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David Frum:

If it were your decision, and you were putting your country first, would you put an untested small-town mayor a heartbeat away from the presidency?

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Buyaa! (none / 0)
right on the mark

glad to see that the Palin pick is a bridge too far even for conservatives, we finally know where they draw the line at being hypocrits

by callisto on 08/31/2008 09:12:07 AM EST

Obama had a whopping 143 days of experience (none / 0)
 
If it were your decision, and you were putting your country first, would you put an untested community organizer with only 143 days in the Senate directly into the office of the presidency?

 


  

by KenTX on 08/31/2008 11:17:40 AM EST

Straws. You are grasping at them. (none / 0)
Right, Ken.

Because the only time that counts as "being a Senator" is time spent in the Capitol.

Just...

No.

by jarett on 08/31/2008 01:39:43 PM EST

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Wonder how many McCain has. (none / 0)
That dude NEVER shows up to work.  Even when he is not running.

by ProfRich on 08/31/2008 05:30:05 PM EST

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I invite you to read his full resume (none / 0)
everything on there says: smart

when it comes to education: Obama's level is at least 3 times higher than Palin

go to wikipedia put the two next to each other

your lazyness doesn't even warran't me putting in the effort of a response

there is no comparison between the two, Palin is at Bush's level

by callisto on 08/31/2008 03:06:51 PM EST

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but but (none / 0)

But she has electrified anti-abortionists and gun-rights advocates!  (Who were voting Republican anyway...).  Response:  hahahahahaha!

It's a huge risk taken in desperation, all but the evangelical gun-nuts with Downs Syndrome agree.  

Repeat the following:

NO FOREIGN POLICY EXPERIENCE (please, just try to compare to Obama, who just completed a very successful international trip, and who has the endorsement of how many generals???).  Palin isn't even interested in foreign policy. 

BRINGS NOTHING TO THE PARTY IN TERMS OF ECONOMIC EXPERIENCE, MCCAIN'S WEAKEST AREA

A HUGE RISK IN TIME OF WAR:  John McCain would be the oldest person ever to be inaugurated for a first term at age 72, and has had several bouts with melanoma, a potentially deadly form of skin cancer.  He is more likely than any previous president to drop dead in his first term.  His choice of Palin could leave America in a very dangerous position if anything happens to McCain during those four years.  We are in two wars.  We can't take this risk.

WANTS TO REPEAL ROE VS WADE

John McCain has failed at his first real opportunity to show his leadership and judgment.  He is not a maverick; he is a desperate holdout of the Bush Administration.

by desertpear on 08/31/2008 11:38:25 AM EST

What About Poor (none / 0)
Joe.... all that ass kissing and gaffe straightening down the drain.  I bet he's really pissed and his jaws are sore from blowing McCain continuiously for the past several months.  Hell, even tho Joe is a turncoat I would feel better if he were the running mate.  At least hes been out of the country and knows there are 49 more states. 

by psyche2 on 08/31/2008 01:52:43 PM EST

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have we determined (none / 0)
Whether Palin has actually ever been out of the country?

by desertpear on 08/31/2008 02:03:20 PM EST

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Palin (none / 0)
Your obsession with Gov. Palin makes me suspect she scares you. Are you worried that her selection is a game changer that gives McCain a serious chance to win the election?

by Twba on 08/31/2008 02:44:55 PM EST

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LOL (none / 0)

I'm worried that she is such an obviously bad choice that McCain will take the opportunity to choose someone else at the convention!

I'm sincerely overjoyed that he selected a rabidly anti-choice, pro-creationism small-town mayor.  My "obsession" is actually enthusiasm that she is being so roundly panned from all sides. 

Who is really scared Twba?  All the democrats I know have been celebrating ever since the announcement.  And you guys have nothing but racism on your side.

by desertpear on 08/31/2008 02:52:40 PM EST

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Some celebration (none / 0)
All the democrats I know have been celebrating ever since the announcement.

Could have fooled me. All I've seen are insane posts about a conspiracy to fake a pregnancy. Oddly, those posts are written by the same morons who think Dick Cheney commanded a team of ninjas who planted explosives in WTC7 before 9/11.

by Twba on 08/31/2008 04:09:11 PM EST

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If you're going to make the comparison... (none / 0)
Then at least target the right group.

The 9/11 conspiracy nuts (the Alex Jones mafia) are almost all, to a person, conservatives.  They make a great big noise about being independent, or Libertarian, but when it comes time to pull the level in the booth, they reach for the one labeled "R."

With regards to the pregnancy issue, the "attack" you perceive has nothing to do with a pregnant teenager.  It has to do with the fact that her mother is against sex education programs that could have prevented her daughter from getting knocked up in the first place.  If daughter dearest had been educated about or been allowed to purchase birth control, then it is quite possible this would not have happened.

Again, the issue isn't this one little girl, it's about the failure of an entire policy we have been forced to accept because the people in power happen to think you should lead your life based on their religious beliefs.

by Kang the Conqueror on 09/02/2008 11:05:43 AM EST

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Target sighted (none / 0)
The 9/11 conspiracy nuts who post on this site are definitely not all conservatives. Try to keep up, Kang.

by Twba on 09/02/2008 11:33:51 AM EST

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Seems like you need to follow your own advice (none / 0)
Seems like the 9/11 thing is a comfortable little smokescreen for you.  Hide behind it, point and mock when you need, and avoid the real issues.

So, here's a direct question:

Will you admit that "abstinence-only" sexual education is a failure as a policy?  Because despite all the "conservative cred" Palin brought to the table (the "cred" she suddenly had after all the Pubs sat down and figured out what it was they liked about her after McCain made his announcement), it seems like pushing her family values is a no-go.

by Kang the Conqueror on 09/02/2008 12:06:47 PM EST

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Kaptain Kangaroo (none / 0)
Seems like the 9/11 thing is a comfortable little smokescreen for you.  Hide behind it, point and mock when you need, and avoid the real issues.

The same idiots who can't figure out WTC7 were all over the fake pregnancy conspiracy.

Regarding your question, no sex education program is capable of stopping teen pregnancy. Handing out condoms and detailed instructions does not stop teens from getting knocked up. Telling them to wait until they get married does not work. Teens are going to screw and get pregnant. That is the way the universe works.

by Twba on 09/02/2008 01:17:29 PM EST

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You're such an idiot (none / 0)
"no sex education program is capable of stopping teen pregnancy"

technically you're right, no program is able to stop ALL teen pregnancies, but that's an idiotic point to make, not one policy deals in absolutes, like family values will not stop ALL father-daughter rapes, ...

now, in the case if you were reasonable and meant that the programs don't make a difference:

WRONG, if you had said "no sex education program is capable of stopping teen having sex", I would agree

but your statement is just plain wrong, all the research says "abstinence only" only lowers the percentage of teens having protected sex, not the sex rate, that higher unsafe sex rate gives you a higher teen pregnancy rate

The US has the highest teenage pregnancy rate in developed world after the UK, who are also idiots on this issue. Other Western countries which have an open sex education have vastly lower numbers:
births per 1000 women (15-19 ys)
US: 53 (India btw only 45 and Russia 30)
UK: 20
Canada: 16
Germany: 11
France: 9
Italy, Spain: 6
Netherlands: 5
Japan: 4

You see that the US has a rate that is 10 times higher, that's 1000% higher than the Netherlands

by callisto on 09/02/2008 01:41:37 PM EST

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Oops (none / 0)
In the UK, the average teenager loses his or her virginity at the age of 16.5 -- more than a year before the Dutch average...

Apparently, abstinence might have a little something to do with the low teen pregnancy rate in the Netherlands.

by Twba on 09/04/2008 07:48:23 PM EST

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WHAT??????? (none / 0)
that makes no sense at all!!!!!!!!

why because they start having sex at a later age, btw nobody is saying you wait until marriage or something, what the whole abstinence thing is all about

it might be that the Dutch educational system is better overal and rolls out fewer dumb people than the English, in England you can leave school at 16, not so in the Netherlands + if you didn't know the English are known to be the most barbarian amongst the Europeans, hence a lot of problems they have like teen unemployment and teen pregnancy

that was such an idiotic point to make
btw aren't you dutch?

by callisto on 09/06/2008 12:33:03 PM EST

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"barbarians" (none / 0)
In a continent where hairy legged women reek from a lack of deoderant and basic hygiene, you should opt to keep your mouth shut.

by KenTX on 09/06/2008 01:02:31 PM EST

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You only know stereotypes from the 50s it seems (none / 0)
ever been outside Texas? Let alone the US. I guess not, you're ignorance is EPIC.

You're such a joke, it's getting a little sad to be honest

or maybe you're into the hairy porn, could explaing why you would think of hairy legged women

BTW not to freak you out, but probably like 50% of the girls you masturbate to in porn are European so, maybe want to check their bio before you go to work

by callisto on 09/06/2008 01:16:12 PM EST

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Repetition (none / 0)
that makes no sense at all!!!!!!!!

One exclamation point is enough to convey your incomprehension.

Because Dutch teens on average abstain from sex longer than British teens, abstinence might have a little something to do with the low teen pregnancy rate in the Netherlands.

by Twba on 09/06/2008 03:04:49 PM EST

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Making the same false claim again, doesn't make it (none / 0)
true, if that's the reason, show the research, that article doesn't state that at all

my problem is with your logic, it's making a causal claim without having the proof to back it up

if you would know the English as they are and not the stereotype of what Americans have of them, you would know right away why they have a higher teen pregnancy rate

think trailer park and you'll be pretty close, now I'm no fan of the Dutch, but I'll give them that, they are a long way ahead of the English on a array of topics

by callisto on 09/06/2008 05:55:08 PM EST

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BTW that article supports my argument (none / 0)
might wanna read it, past the title

by callisto on 09/06/2008 12:37:25 PM EST

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Misunderestimating Palin (none / 0)
My "obsession" is actually enthusiasm that she is being so roundly panned from all sides.

I heard many people praising her after her speech.

Who is really scared Twba?

Joe Biden warned supporters Thursday not to expect him to unleash "one-line zingers" in his debates with GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin -- even if she does.

"I will be unrelenting in my debate with governor, the governor of Alaska in terms of the positions she has taken," Biden said. "But I will not do what she is able to do so well, and many others-not bad. I am not good at the one-line zingers that go at, you know, that's not my deal. So if that is going to be the measure of how these debates go, then I'm not going to do very well."

by Twba on 09/04/2008 07:40:13 PM EST

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Joe Who? (none / 0)
Good Old Joe Biden really generated a lot of buzz when he was selected as Obama's VP. We discussed him for all of about 5 minutes. B-O-R-R-R-I-N-G!

Here's are some future trivia questions: Who was George McGovern's running mate? Who was Hubert Humphrey's running mate? Who was George McGovern's running mate? Who was Mike Dukakis' running mate? Who was John Kerry's running mate? Who was Barack Obama's running mate?

by KenTX on 08/31/2008 02:53:37 PM EST

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who cares (none / 0)

Joe Biden has more foreign policy experience than your entire party.  It comes in handy when you are running the country.

But what would republicans know about running a country?

 

by desertpear on 08/31/2008 03:01:30 PM EST

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Repugs really aren't funny (none / 0)
not B-O-R-R-R-I-N-G, this is how you do it: B-O-O-O-R-I-N-G

by callisto on 08/31/2008 03:09:04 PM EST

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Who was Walter Mondale's running mate? (none / 0)

by ProfRich on 08/31/2008 05:34:25 PM EST

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By this logic (none / 0)

You and your friends must routinely shit yourselves over Barak Obama, Bill and Hillary Clinton, Jeremiah Wright et. al.

And McCain might just turn and run crying out of the debates when he see Obama.

by ProfRich on 08/31/2008 05:33:13 PM EST

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McCain and Obama already faced off. (none / 0)
And the results were not good for Barack Obama. Liberal and conservative pundits agreed unanimously that John McCain beat the living hell out of Barack Obama.

The only way Barack Obama can be president is if we can invent a device that rolls a teleprompter in front of him everywhere he goes.

Here are a few examples:
“McCain outshone Obama in defining and achieving his objective. At Saddleback, McCain won the media game hands down: exceeding expectations, generating pithier sound bites, delivering folksier anecdotes, cracking more jokes, and detonating more applause lines. McCain's superior sense of showmanship could prove important in a debate, not just to journalists but to audiences as well. McCain displayed another skill of enormous value: seizing his opportunities on live TV.”
 
“John McCain looked too perfect. This could only be the result of blatant cheating.”

“It is now clear why Barack Obama has refused John McCain's offer of joint town hall appearances during the fall campaign. McCain is obviously better at them. What took place instead under Warren's precise and revealing questioning was the most important event so far of the 2008 campaign -- a performance every voter should seek out on the Internet and watch.”

“Barack Obama embarrassed the entire Democratic Party. We are doomed! Now we’re going to be sucking Republican dick for another four years!”

“McCain clearly won Saddleback. In an unusual setting, his experience overwhelmed Obama.”

by KenTX on 08/31/2008 05:46:49 PM EST

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how could they face off? (none / 0)
They didn't debate each other at Saddleback.  They didn't even have the same questions.

by desertpear on 08/31/2008 07:04:39 PM EST

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They received the same questions, (none / 0)
and their answers have been compared side by side, in great detail.

Barack Obama will not be able to govern, unless they can keep a teleprompter in front of him.

by KenTX on 08/31/2008 07:43:09 PM EST

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McCain had the questions (none / 0)
he was not in the cone of silence :)

weak sauce Kenny

by callisto on 08/31/2008 07:45:51 PM EST

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Picante (none / 0)


"weak sauce Kenny"

Weak and watery....TEXAS STYLE!

by OneHitKill on 08/31/2008 10:18:59 PM EST

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Eaaaasy (none / 0)

Although I don't even really like hot sauce much.

Love me some hot wings though.

by ProfRich on 08/31/2008 10:38:03 PM EST

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It's not too late (none / 0)
You could relocate to another state today and start telling people you've lived there your whole life tomorrow.  No one will ever know.

by OneHitKill on 08/31/2008 10:42:29 PM EST

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We need people like ProfRich in Texas (none / 0)
to flip the state, Texas has too many electoral votes to ignore

you can ignore the smaller crazies like Alabama (porn is illegal there = CRAZY), but Texas needs to be flipped or educated if you will

the more progressives move to Texas the better, attack the conservatives' strengh ts if you will

by callisto on 09/01/2008 08:30:27 AM EST

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How to flip Texas (none / 0)

1) Keep the Mexicans believing the Republic party hates them.

2) Run people from the South.  Someone from Texas, for example, would be great.

3) Bring a populist economic message.

4) Win the battle of the environment (Texans are natural conservationalists).

I await Ken's baseless mocking of this strategy.

by ProfRich on 09/01/2008 10:11:06 PM EST

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I'm from Texas, and I approve this message (none / 0)
At this point, I think people just vote Pub out of habit, rather than policy.  The state is slowly staring to turn blue.  Hell, Pick Perry only got 38% of the vote in the last election.  I think the "Trans-Texas Corridor" really opened people's eyes.  Perry's little pet project was seen for what it was:  a blatant money grab.

by Kang the Conqueror on 09/02/2008 11:11:46 AM EST

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You're right about the Mexican thing. (none / 0)
I'm pleased that you have come out in the forum and openly admitted that Democrats are doing nothing to control the inflow of illegal aliens in an attempt to pander to the Mexican vote. As a matter of fact, they are blocking all attempts by Republicans to do anything about the problem.

by KenTX on 09/02/2008 12:17:06 PM EST

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Hey Kenny Racist (none / 0)
where did ProfRich say these were illegal Mexicans, seems in your world being Mexican or of Mexican decent means you're an illegal alien

BTW the economical Repuglicans are blocking those attempts because they want to hire cheap illegal labor

by callisto on 09/02/2008 12:28:15 PM EST

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Kenny Texas doesn't understand 'facing off' (none / 0)
funny for someone from Texas :)

BTW McCain knew the questions, Obama didn't, big difference bub

also if you look at that thing: Obama gave clearly more intelligent and nuanced answers, so what does it proof that McCain charms a bunch of religious radicals?

yes, religious radicals, that's what evangelicals are called outside US borders

by callisto on 08/31/2008 07:27:53 PM EST

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Read the second linked quote (none / 0)

Not the link, what Ken posted.

That kind of destroys this whole thread.

by ProfRich on 08/31/2008 09:03:22 PM EST

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Nice catch (none / 0)
when he starts doing the linking thing, I tend to just skip them, because normally they link to obscure or propaganda youtube videos

I wonder if he has a bunch of fans on some other board that keep encouraging him, how else can someone keep going if everything you say gets knocked down? maybe it's just plain stupidity or he believes this stuff like a religion

by callisto on 08/31/2008 09:39:05 PM EST

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The second linked quote (none / 0)
is supposed to be from Kos. It is an admission that Obama got his ass handed to him. It beautifully sets the hook for the fourth linked quote.

by KenTX on 08/31/2008 10:39:52 PM EST

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NO (none / 0)
It reminds us all McCain cheated.

by ProfRich on 08/31/2008 10:58:46 PM EST

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sure sure Kenny (none / 0)
grasping as usual

by callisto on 09/01/2008 08:31:14 AM EST

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special delivery to callisto (none / 0)
I didn't have to tell Rich, because he was smart enough to figure this out on his own, but I made up the second quote, just so I could post the Kos link. I took literary liberties and paraphrased their sentiments.

I thought it was funny as hell that liberals were screaming that McCain beat the hell out of Obama at Saddleback because he cheated. It's impossible to prove a negative, so we'll never be able to prove that McCain didn't cheat. But we have widespread admission from all liberals that OBAMA GOT HIS ASS BEAT in the first showdown.

by KenTX on 09/02/2008 12:12:44 PM EST

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sure sure Kenny (none / 0)
I'm sure that's the reason and not that you copied the wrong thing

because as we all know: conservatives are hilariously funny people

by callisto on 09/02/2008 12:30:21 PM EST

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I bet she's been to Canada! (none / 0)

by ProfRich on 08/31/2008 05:31:48 PM EST

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Surely to Russia? (none / 0)
After all, it's so close to Alaska!  It's just like having foreign policy experience!

by pmdtrans on 09/01/2008 10:52:09 AM EST

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Comparing Palin to Obama is insane (none / 0)
has anyone even looked at what her academic credentials are, how can Repugs compare Obama to Palin who holds a
Bachelor of Science degree in communications-journalism from the University of Idaho

that really compares to Obama's
B.A. from Columbia in political science with a specialization in international relations
+ Juris Doctor (J.D.) magna cum laude from Harvard
+ president of the Law Review (editor-in-chief and supervising the law review's staff of 80 editors)
+ fellowship at the University of Chicago Law School
+ Senior Lecturer constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School
+ in  law firm of Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland an associate, then a counsel

yeah they really play on the same level, fuck Kenny haven't you embarassed yourself enough

by callisto on 08/31/2008 03:19:34 PM EST

Success from a small school (none / 0)
Guess which president graduated from tiny Eureka College with only a BA in economics and sociology.

It's not your school's prestige or what degree you received; it's what you do after graduation that matters. What has Obama done?

by Twba on 08/31/2008 04:10:12 PM EST

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education credentials (none / 0)
There have been only 43 presidents. I was surprised how many of these men had no college education.

I was even more surprised at how many of the "Top 10" presidents had unimpressive education credentials:

Lincoln, Jackson, Truman, Washington, Reagan, Polk

If we take away Barack Obama's education, he stands naked in terms of accomplishments.


by KenTX on 08/31/2008 04:26:38 PM EST

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Not buying it (none / 0)

Those are actually some pretty shitty presidents you got there.

Jackson and Polk are famous assholes and racists who started wars just for shits and giggles.

Lincoln started a war that nearly destroyed the country and then mismanaged it to the point it took an extra four years and half a million American lives.  And was apparently a dick to boot.

Washington wasn't really the president, Hamilton was.  

Reagan either wasn't really the president or lied his ass off about his massive breaches of the Constitution and pretended to not be the president.  He also ran the economy into (what we used to call) massive debt for no other reason than to give massive tax cuts to rich folks.

And Truman pretty much invented the Cold War.  Thanks Harry!  And while it ain't Harvard, Mizzou Law School ain't bad either.

It is worth noting the two greatest presidents (by a damn site), TJ and FDR, both went to preeminent institutions.  

by ProfRich on 08/31/2008 05:47:10 PM EST

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This just in. (none / 1)
Leading history scholars have ranked Professor Rich as a total dumbass.

Washington and Lincoln are consistently ranked Number 1 and Number 2. What did Rich say again?

"Those are actually some pretty shitty presidents you got there. Lincoln started a war that nearly destroyed the country and then mismanaged it to the point it took an extra four years and half a million American lives.  And was apparently a dick to boot. Washington wasn't really the president, Hamilton was."  

So whenever Rich makes a statement on the subject of history, just ignore it. But if he ever makes a comment regarding his expertise at performing fellatio on third world illegal immigrants, you can take it to the bank.

by KenTX on 08/31/2008 05:59:05 PM EST

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This just in: Kenny Texas can't read (none / 0)
Rich wrote

"It is worth noting the two greatest presidents (by a damn site), TJ and FDR, both went to preeminent institutions"

combine that with Kenny's links and we get:

FDR is ranked number 1 by a great many polls
TJ is ranked number 2 and 3 in some of those polls

one thing is for sure: nobody is putting Reagan or Bush up there :)

Kenny stop twisting people's words, it's getting so old

by callisto on 08/31/2008 07:40:36 PM EST

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Times have changed (none / 0)
+ didn't Washington write books and stuff? Some of those men were thinkers, someting I'm not buying from Palin :)

grasping at those straws

by callisto on 08/31/2008 07:31:34 PM EST

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Reagan? (none / 0)

That is your big comeback.

Wow.

Democratic case closed.

by ProfRich on 08/31/2008 05:38:45 PM EST

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Reagan? (none / 0)
You just prooved my point

by callisto on 08/31/2008 07:29:16 PM EST

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Why is Kenny Texas on TYT? (none / 0)
as many of you, I have wondered: why is he on a site of a liberal show hosted by an olive guy???

can't be the policy matter, Kenny doesn't agree with it

and then it came to me: Cenk's talk about hookers and sex, without those Kenny would probably bugger off

Kenny tell us is the sex talk the thing that attracts you about TYT?

by callisto on 08/31/2008 07:48:52 PM EST

I'll tell you the truth, (none / 0)
after the election.

by KenTX on 08/31/2008 07:52:29 PM EST

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this election? (none / 0)
or the next one, or the one after that, ...?

by callisto on 08/31/2008 07:54:38 PM EST

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"weak sauce" (none / 1)
This reminded me of another participant who liked this phrase, and was terribly bothered by my presence.

And then I remembered.

by KenTX on 08/31/2008 08:04:16 PM EST

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??? loosing your marbles again bub (none / 0)
just asking it, so you couldn't go "I never said which election"

I know, you're trying to shift to something else again

who the hell is that Tiny? seriously he made 6 comments, a sockpuppet of yours?

by callisto on 08/31/2008 08:30:49 PM EST

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bub=trademark (none / 0)
Pardoned, however, for your terrific comments throughout ;-)

by Weapon X on 09/04/2008 12:57:36 AM EST

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Few other phrases so well describe you (none / 0)
Give up on the Tiny spottings, Ken.  You're worse than a tabloid with Bigfoot photos.

by OneHitKill on 08/31/2008 09:10:49 PM EST

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weak sauce (none / 0)
this post is the very definition of weak sauce.

by hazmat on 09/04/2008 02:34:45 AM EST

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Pure Kenny Texas (none / 0)
go over the comments, you notice after Kenny gets his ass handed to it, he ignores that train of comments and tries his BS in another until he looses than one too

never owning up to his mistakes and errors

sad MF'er

by callisto on 09/01/2008 08:33:52 AM EST

no-brainer (none / 0)

-If it were your decision, and you were putting your country first, would you put an untested small-town mayor a heartbeat away from the presidency?-

No one putting the country first would make the pick, but since when does the GOP put country first before themselves?
No, this is all about what is best for McCain, screw the country! McCain wants votes, who cares what the country needs??? Screw them all.

by Maverick on 09/02/2008 06:29:20 AM EST

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