Obama's Tire Gauges Will Save More Gas Than McCain's Oil Drilling

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America will save more gas by inflating our tires properly than will will by spending billions of dollars to drill for oil. This has been verified by McCain's own campaign!

America will save more gas by inflating our tires properly than will will by spending billions of dollars to drill for oil.

This is from a report by Polifact, a fact-checking service for both candidates, and the McCain campaign's rebuttal actually verifies it's viability.

If you're too lazy to click on the link below, here's a summary: If every American properly inflates there tires, that will save us between 1.2 and 2.8 billion gallons of gas per year. Meanwhile, drilling in America probably will not reach full production until 2030, and will produce around 1.4 billion gallons per year.

That means, if we started today, we would save at least 26 billion gallons of gas before our drilling even reached full production.

http://www.politifact.com/t ruth-o-meter/statements/608 /

Or, we could spend billions of dollars in taxpayer money to further deplete the world's oil resources, put more money into big oil's pockets, and endanger the environment.

I'm just reporting, you decide.

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Cenk talked about this the other day and it's nice that you included a link.

Thanks for posting. We need to pound this into the heads of low-info voters (and misinformed Republicans...never mind, that's redundant).

by ihavenobias on 08/07/2008 08:49:38 PM EST


Don't want to be told what to do by Barack Obama. We want to know what we can do for real - not stupid shit like regulating our tire pressure - talk about talking down to people... "They have no bread? LET THEM EAT CAKE!!!!" :)

by bobo1 on 08/07/2008 09:06:27 PM EST

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I went to my hotlist and I saw the title ...Us "Low Info Voters"... and I instantly knew who had responded to my comment.

You decide if that's a good or bad thing.

by ihavenobias on 08/07/2008 09:13:38 PM EST

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On this site, so it might as well be me! Not being "low info" myself, I just know how they think and how they respond to being looked down upon. Have you gotten your "Obama Energy Plan Tire Gauge" I sent you? I know with it you'll do YOUR part to save our planet!!! Keep putting the low info voter down you elitists - you'll see what happens at the ballot!!! :) PS - PUMA's UNITE IN DENVER!!!

by bobo1 on 08/07/2008 09:28:50 PM EST

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Or some sort of glow-in-the-dark race?

And what has given us this illuminate power?  I have to assume it is our ability to bring truth, so thanks!

by ProfRich on 08/07/2008 10:48:41 PM EST

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My apologies - Illuminati - Like the secret Catholic soceity... Damn the "no edit" features!!! :)

by bobo1 on 08/07/2008 11:09:29 PM EST

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Nobias, it is sort of condescending to call them "low info voters."  Just cut to the chase and call them retards.  Bobo, you were being sarcastic, so this is not directed at you.

by desertpear on 08/07/2008 09:30:15 PM EST

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At least you just come out and say how you really feel about non-illuminate voters - its much appreciated!!! :)

by bobo1 on 08/07/2008 09:47:36 PM EST

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I am trying to come to terms with how I personally feel about non-illuminate voters. 

Of course, I have to admit, the illuminate voters scare the shit out of me. What? Were they exposed to radiation or something?

by ProfRich on 08/07/2008 10:51:09 PM EST

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I think bobo means non-Illuminati voters.  Those gnostic elite from Bavaria, plus maybe some high-level Freemasons.  Be afraid!! 

by desertpear on 08/07/2008 11:04:44 PM EST

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Bobo needs to take a couple of advil, drink a big glass of water and go to bed.

by ProfRich on 08/07/2008 11:32:12 PM EST

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He sounds like a raving lunatic.  Death to the illuminate!!!  Darkness forever!!!

by Spencer on 08/08/2008 02:12:23 AM EST

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SOME are just plain dumb, but many are just uninformed and or misinformed.

You know, like Republicans.

by ihavenobias on 08/07/2008 10:15:34 PM EST

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OK, how about "dopes"?

by desertpear on 08/08/2008 04:47:24 PM EST

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Seriously, you can't be this stupid.

You think recommending people check their air pressure in their tires to save a few bucks on gas is the same as Marie Antoinette (allegedly) saying "Let them eat cake" about the starving French poor?

Her apparent inability to understand that people can't just go out and get luxuries without a second thought is the equivalent of Obama giving you a money saving car maintenance tip?

Did you think of this yourself or did you hear it on Rush?

My money is on Rush.  Damn, how much hillbilly heroin was he pumping today?  Or maybe he has a big "raping little Caribbean girls" trip coming up and can't focus cause this is just stupid. 

by ProfRich on 08/07/2008 10:46:23 PM EST

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Try it.  Obama has a complete Energy Plan on his website.  Take some time away from TYT and give it a read.  It has some big words, so have the Dictionary handy.

Also, you want to know "what we can do for real"?  Holy crap.  How about people take some personal responsibility for once and do the right thing!  Don't buy gas guzzlers and YES fill up your goddamn tires!  You can do that today - right now.  I'll wait while you take care of that...hmmm...whistle...whi stle...Done yet?  Was that experience real enough for you?

You don't want Obama to tell you what to do?  Ok, well how about AAA? How about Consumer Reports (a non-profit organization)?  How about a dozen other organizations that will tell you the same exact thing?

Please, don't be an idiot all the time.

"Like lipstick on a pig"

by TJD on 08/08/2008 11:29:33 AM EST

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Its partially an embaressingly stupid attack on Obama but its also an attack on the idea that the answer to the energy problem is to consume less oil.  You think the Exxon lobbyists running McCain's campaign suddenly get 3% efficient?

The whole point of driving this issue was to increase oil profits.  Now its all horribly backfiring on them! 

by ProfRich on 08/08/2008 03:04:16 PM EST

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"The whole point of driving this issue was to increase oil profits.  Now its all horribly backfiring on them!"

This is an excellent point that needs to be brought into the discussion each time.  The increase in oil prices resulted in a huge demand for efficient vehicles, changes in auto manufacturing, people cutting consumption, the lowest emissions in about 30 years, AND reduction in oil prices.  These are all positive benefits of gas prices being higher, as they are in most other countries. 

by desertpear on 08/08/2008 04:53:21 PM EST

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That law was passed in the 1970s to reduce consumption as well.  I would like to know how much gasoline that would save too.  At the very least, Americans deserve to have the facts upon which to make decisions.

by desertpear on 08/07/2008 09:31:48 PM EST


I have a serious question for you - Why do Liberals like yourself believe that the outcome of this (or any) national election is predicated on FACTS and INFORMATION getting to the voters? Voters don't give a shit about FACTS and TRUTH I haven't the Liberal Illuminate figured that out yet? PUMA's UNITE IN DENVER!!! Just had to throw that in again!!! :)

by bobo1 on 08/07/2008 09:51:36 PM EST

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I believe most voters base their decision on "who is most like me."  And that's been pretty much proven by studies.  But there are people who do base their decisions on information and not spin.  Not many though, it's true.  That's why we have guys like McCain pandering to bikers.  What's next?  Halfway houses, mental institutions, emergency rooms, and nursing homes?  Scratch that last one--he wouldn't be caught dead giving a Clown Hall meeting in a nursing home.

by desertpear on 08/07/2008 10:07:24 PM EST

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We are the ones we have been waiting for!!

Here's the new Barack Obama Energy Plan.

"Fill up your tires and drive 55 MPH."

Why didn't all of you guys respond to this horseshit? If the Democrat energy policy consists of nothing more than a tire gauge, you should be delighted to drive 55 MPH.

by KenTX on 08/08/2008 12:00:06 AM EST

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CNN Poll, July 27-29. (8-10 days after DRILL!!!! chant starts).

Who would better handle gas prices?  Obama 51, McCain 40.

Of course that was after the McCain blitz but before everyone learned McCain was bribed by the most despised people in America to flip-flop.

Ken now is trying to pivot away from the GOP's failed argument and talk about jobs.

Who would better handle jobs?  Obama 57, McCain 38.

So even if you are right, Ken, (and you are wrong) it ain't helping your guy!

 

 

by ProfRich on 08/08/2008 12:25:38 AM EST

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Your poll is from July 27.

Here are more recent results, reported on August 4.

“The energy and oil drilling issue seems to be cutting. 46 percent of those polled trust McCain more than Obama on energy issues while Barack Obama is trusted more by just 42 percent.”

by KenTX on 08/08/2008 12:54:16 AM EST

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I'm glad that's from August 4th. You know why? Because that was the day that Obama started getting tough and kicking McCain's ass.

You know, with the tougher ads, going on the offense, etc.  His "Gop takes pride in being ignorant" is a great example.

At any rate, there is no doubt this is a short term dip. Just you watch. Hell, I know you will, but you'll only come back to reference this if I'm wrong. If I'm right you'll pretend it never happened.

by ihavenobias on 08/08/2008 01:07:10 AM EST

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I can't for the life of me understand why Democrats don't simply concede on the issue of drilling, and embrace oil drilling on every square inch of North America.

If Democrats would have declared themselves pro-drilling six weeks ago, this wouldn't even be an issue today. They would have effectively defused the GOP's most effective weapon in the campaign. Republicans would have nothing to talk about.

If I look hard enough, I can find a post from a few days ago, written by ihavenogasinmycar, and capitulating on drilling. This is the smart position. He stooped to conquer, leaving me with nothing to argue about.

Somebody please explain to me why Democrats are fighting for something as stupid and hopeless as blocking oil drilling. Its a fight you could have avoided, but maybe you're in too deep now?

by KenTX on 08/08/2008 01:47:07 AM EST

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I already told you. This is poltical theater. Democrats are going to try to ride this out untill Sept. 30 so this way none of them have to vote for lifting the congessional ban on off shore drilling. Republicans want to try to force a vote to get some of them to.

What is to understand? 

by z1p101 on 08/08/2008 02:28:19 AM EST

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Democrats have caved on every single issue in the last seven years. There is no logical reason to finally stand firm on drilling. The only question is the timing of the capitulation.

Remember how tough they talked on FISA? This is looking like exactly the same thing.

by KenTX on 08/08/2008 02:54:38 AM EST

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I try to be nice and you act like an idiot.

If I get caught up in this then I will get yelled at by Mookie again. Did you read his posts?

There are things at times go from politically popular to politically unpopular from 0 to 60 and you got to play the game. Take Jim Webb's GI  bill for example.

So since you do not know how to play nice and I know what is going on in that tiny brain of your I'll give you a heads up. Before you start running your yap again about how I am against drilling and how I was for Obama's and the Democrats stance against drilling. Trust me, I have never said it. Actually, I have said the opposite.

by z1p101 on 08/08/2008 03:09:37 AM EST

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Maybe Democrats care more about the planet your grandchildren will inherit than you do.  Letting people in the oil industry influence decisions on drilling is like letting the fox take care of the hen house.  You know this, but choose to act dumb.  Of couuuurrrssee, because your personal wealth comes from the oil industry.

by desertpear on 08/08/2008 04:57:22 PM EST

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inflating tires to the proper pressure will save "billions and billions of dollars over decades" _ONLY_ if adhered to diligently by an overwhelming majority of drivers in a disciplined manner over a very long period of time.

hahaha. good luck getting an overwhelming majority of americans to be disciplined in their behavior over long periods of time about _ANYTHING_.

borat might as well point out that:

(a) americans can solve or alleviate much of the "health care crisis" by eating right and exercising regularly over an entire lifetime and save "billions and billions" of dollars.

(b) americans can solve or alleviate much of the "social security crisis" by living frugally, saving regularly, and investing wisely during their early earning years and save "billions and billions" of dollars.

do you want me to go on? or is it obvious enough already?

 

depending on the ability of americans to make rational, long-term choices is often the first indication of a doomed plan.

any public policy, in order to be a success, must work and produce the desired effect _IN SPITE OF_, not because of, the cooperation of an overwhelmingly vast majority of the populace. any politician who promises to manufacture goodies out of hope and the inherent wonderfulness of human nature is a snake-oil salesman. this applies equally to any politician from any political party. at the very least, i would have expected leebruls and other denizens of the reality based community to understand this better than the troglodyte rethuglicans. 

by neo on 08/07/2008 10:34:30 PM EST


Let's see, which of the following three things is easiest:

A)-Eating right almost every day and exercising regularly.

B)-Living frugally, saving regularly, and investing wisely during the early earning years.

C)-Spending a few bucks for a tire gauge and another few bucks (total per year, if that) to spend 30 minutes (total, if that) per year putting air into your tires.

Gee, I don't know?? Maybe someone can help me out?!

by ihavenobias on 08/07/2008 10:53:05 PM EST

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you, of course, are incapable of (b). all you can do it run up credit card debt, and then bitch-and-moan, with no apparent sense of shame and on a public forum to boot, about high interest rates.

 

secondly, if (c) were really so easy, all americans would already have been following it anyway for decades (the facts have been known for a long time).

maybe americans aren't following proper car maintenance and driving procedures because it is not quite as simple as you assume it is to keep the discipline.

or maybe you are suggesting that all americans are about as dumb as you are---they are ignorant about basic physics, mechanics, engineering, etc. this is not surprising considering how many schools teach creationism with more fervour than they teach science.

they need borat the messiah to finally tell them to inflate their tires before they will all suddenly see the light and attain salvation.

maybe borat's next speech should be about how to lower credit card interest rates by "not fucking spending money you don't fucking have". 

by neo on 08/07/2008 11:25:27 PM EST

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You resorted to (dumb) personal attacks because your arguments couldn't stand up on their own merits.

Honestly, one could make a case that you managed three fallacies of reasoning in that one post.:

Ad hominem, Non-Sequitur and maybe Red Herring. At the very least it was 2 out of 3.

Congratulations!

by ihavenobias on 08/07/2008 11:36:11 PM EST

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Obama was asked by a voter what the voter could do to help with the energy crisis.  Obama said, check your tire pressure.  Sounds like a great answer to me.

What the fuck should Obama have said? 

Go to Home Depot, get a Ryobi and swim out a few miles?

This is stupid.  If you care about our energy security or the environment, go check your tire pressure.  I checked mine since this conversation started.  Anyone else?

by ProfRich on 08/07/2008 10:57:45 PM EST

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And I'm driving slower on the freeway to save gas too. 

by desertpear on 08/07/2008 11:06:56 PM EST

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I knew it. YOU were the reason I've been late to work lately!

by ihavenobias on 08/07/2008 11:16:12 PM EST

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i will accept your statement above that the voter's question was (a) "what can i, an individual, do about the energy crisis", and not (the infinitely more reasonable, albeit inappropriate for a political rally) (b) "what can i, an individual, do about high energy costs".

 

if the question were (b), borat's answer about inflating tires, driving at moderate speeds without frequent start/stop accelerations, weather-proofing one's home, wearing a sweater and turning down the thermostat, are all relevant answers, although, as i said, not something a presidential candidate should be bothered with during campaign speeches.

the question, however, was (a), not about energy "costs", but about the energy "crisis".

if borat were even halfway honest, he would have shot-down this questioner's inflated sense of self-importance by saying the truth---there is _nothing_ an individual can do in their daily lives (not involving coercion or large-scale societal control and change) to address the energy "crisis"---i mean, that is why it is a fricking _CRISIS_.

the amount of energy being consumed by americans, and the energy needs being projected for the near-term and long-term future, along with the energy needs of the rest of the world, are so immense that individual behavior changes like inflating tires are a drop in the bucket.

understanding this requires numeracy---the ability to grasp the absolute value and relative scale of the numbers involved. either borat is a moron, or else panders to morons, by throwing out some silly talking point about tire pressure.

the utter silliness of such proposals is staggering. 

by neo on 08/07/2008 11:43:47 PM EST

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While I feel it is probably not going to be very illuminating to ask you this, I am curious about this:

If you are so enraged that Obama gave this impromptu answer to a question from an audience member, how over the top outraged are you that McCain has now flip-flopped and is including the need to inflate our tires in his stump speech.

See, McCain not only is floating the idea, he is floating after mocking it, declaring it to be untrue and he is including it in his prepared remarks.  About ten times worse, huh?

(Little tip: When you pretend to engage in a debate but insist on being so childish as to intentionally misname the person you are attacking, it damages your credibility.)

by ProfRich on 08/08/2008 12:00:12 AM EST

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you are asking me this question because i suspect you think i am a republican. i am not, nor have i ever been one. the only emotion rethuglicans have ever inspired in me is venomous hatred.

 

i used to think of myself as sympathetic to democrats and democratic causes, but that hope died on november 3.2004---you can thank john kerry and 60million dumfucks for that.

it was replaced with an immense anger and ruthless schadenfreude---a nation that elects and reelects war-criminals, a political system that allows such a travesty of justice to continue without any bounds or checks ("impeachment is off the table"), and a society that is more interested in the personal lives of mock celebrities than in the destruction of its constitution, deserves to suffer. hence my lack of any sympathy whatsoever for the whiny bitches whose lives are being destroyed every which way by 8 years of bushco---you brought this on yourselves.

 

since i no longer have any hope, i am not in the least bit inspired or impressed by borat (ergo, my term of endearment for him).

if borat successfully prosecutes bushco for their war crimes, and sees to it that these criminals are executed by the international court of justice, and does this as the main (or only) priority of his first term, i will support his re-election campaign in 2012 with my time and money, and give some consideration to addressing the energy crisis (or social security crisis, or health care crisis, or job crisis, or education crisis, or gay-marriage crisis, or whatever-the-fuck crisis). until then, he and other democrats are nothing but a bunch of gutless, gaping-pussy, war-criminals (by proxy) and deserve no sympathy or respect from me.

if you are interested in a more detailed opinion (and i absolutely understand if you don't care) you can read more here.

by neo on 08/08/2008 01:14:39 AM EST

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I think this guy is one of the friends of Harris and Klebold who got away without being caught. He lives in some kind of Matrixx fantasy world.

by KenTX on 08/08/2008 01:27:41 AM EST

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You have decided to marginalize yourself and remove yourself from any attempt at a useful reaction to anything in politics.

Enjoy that!

by ProfRich on 08/08/2008 06:17:16 AM EST

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Here is the famous sweater, worn by Jimmy Carter everytime he delivered an address to the American people, telling them to lower their theromostats and drive 55.
sweater boy
Barack Obama will wear the sweater at the convention when he delivers the 2008 version of the Malaise Speech.

by KenTX on 08/08/2008 12:12:50 AM EST

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but he was damn right on energy.

If we had listened to him (more importantly if Reagan hadn't dismantled his energy program) we wouldn't be in this mess right now.

Make all of the jokes you want but that's the hard truth.

And no, his energy plan wasn't just to tell people to conserve, that was *part* of his comprehensive plan.

by ihavenobias on 08/08/2008 12:14:59 AM EST

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I am not saying Carter was great, but rank him among this list.

LBJ

Nixon

Ford

Carter

Reagan

Bush (I)

Clinton

Bush (II)

Yikes!

by ProfRich on 08/08/2008 12:27:49 AM EST

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than that twba guy.

McCain will be honoring Bush's highly successful energy policy at the convention by wearing the famous codpiece

as he pays homage to the heroic mission accomplished speech. The war has allowed us to take a controlling interest in mideast oil and has stabilized the region for decades to come. The best part is, we payed for it all with oil revenues. Fabulous!

by hazmat on 08/08/2008 02:04:55 AM EST

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I understand what you're saying, however you're ignoring the money we'd save by just not drilling. Instead of spending the billions of dollars we need on oil equipment, use that money to run ad campaigns around the country about tire inflation and distribute free tire gauges to gas stations around the country, and put government subsidies on air stations to make them free as well. I gurantee you that will be cheaper than building the structure needed for offshore drilling, nevermind keeping it up and regulating it.

by sliccat on 08/07/2008 11:58:32 PM EST

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(I hope you like this post, because you'll be seeing much more of it. Look for updated versions, including more data on jobs in the petroleum sector. If February is Black History Month, then this August will become known as Black Goo Month. Throughout the month of August, Republicans will be talking about the positive benefits that drilling brings to the American economy. Your Friend, KenTX)

Where does the U.S. rank globally in terms of oil production?
oil rankings
Wow! We’re number three baby! Wooo-hooo! That's a whole lotta black goo!

Hey, I’ve got an idea! Rather than sending $2 billion EVERY FUCKING DAY to foreign countries, why don’t we create more jobs for Americans and more revenue for the federal treasury by drilling for more American oil?

How does drilling for American oil help the American economy?  

Oklahoma is experiencing a “mini oil boom”, and drillers are now earning $100,000 per year.

Guess which states are currently doing well in terms of creating jobs?

THE OIL PRODUCING STATES!!
big oil economy 
Democrats are trying to block production of American Oil in ANWR, offshore, and the Rocky Mountains.

By drilling for American oil, we can help balance the trade deficit and the budget deficit, while creating hundreds of thousands of high-paying petroleum industry related jobs.

Drilling jobs
.

Refinery jobs.
Pipeline jobs.
Offshore platform jobs.
Oil field truck driving jobs.
Roustabout jobs.
Oil field service jobs.

by KenTX on 08/07/2008 11:29:21 PM EST


A roustabout killed my father.

by ashbul on 08/08/2008 02:40:20 AM EST

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Developing alternative energy projects will also create jobs, no? 

by desertpear on 08/08/2008 05:04:36 PM EST

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Energy cannot be created nor destroyed, only converted from one form to another. Biofuels are the only "alternative" energy that goes in the gas tank. Biofuels are an energy sink, meaning the process requires net energy input due to ineffeciency. Biofuels generate much more CO2 than gasoline, when factoring the energy balance. Biofuels create high food prices and mass starvation. Synfuels are alternative gasoline components that are refined from liquefied coal. The process is efficient and viable at today's prices. The basic laws of thermodynamics determine viability, not the Sierra Club and moveon.org.

by KenTX on 08/08/2008 06:35:59 PM EST

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Your post made no sense at all in the context of that conversation.

A crowning achievement in your prodigious use of the non sequitur.

by ProfRich on 08/08/2008 10:50:46 PM EST

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Obama's tire gauge will do you no good if your car's fuel tank is empty. Drilling will produce feedstock for gasoline manufacturers.

Drill, baby.

by Twba on 08/08/2008 04:41:41 PM EST


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