09/10/2008 03:53:18 PM EST

Even if Obama was Talking About Palin when referring to a Pig With Lipstick...

posted by AnaKasparian

Who Cares? His statement was true...and not "sexist" in the least bit.

She IS a pig with lipstick on. Anyone who wants to push women back to decades ago and rob them of their right to choose is a pig in my book.

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Even if Obama was Talking About Palin when referring to a Pig With Lipstick... | 54 comments (54 topical, 0 hidden)
Now (none / 0)
Sugar coating aside, tell us how you really feel.

;)

by Tom Hanc on 09/10/2008 04:00:52 PM EST

sorry... (none / 0)
...I need to work on not being so blunt at time. I just can't stand this extremist Sarah Palin chick, and it scares the hell out of me that McCain is leading in the polls.

by AnaKasparian on 09/10/2008 04:10:49 PM EST

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I was joking Ana, you know that (none / 0)
Palin scares the shit out of me, as I've written before. The funny thing is (well, scary and sad thing actually) I know plenty of Republicans who do NOT like the religious right.

Some of them are atheists/agnostics while others are average (read: half-assed) Christians who maybe go to church a few times a year and rarely pray or read the Bible, etc.

At any rate, most of them don't take Palin seriously. Meaning they don't think Palin as VP (or even as president) will make a difference on issues like abortion. They say "no way Roe V Wade will be overturned".  These are pro-choice types who think they're being fiscally smart by supporting McCain.

They're wrong of course, but I'm amazed by the fact that they think Palin is harmless (and hot). And for the record yes, she's an attractive older politician...honestly, she wouldn't be generating half as much positive press and interest if she wasn't.

by Tom Hanc on 09/10/2008 04:17:43 PM EST

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if blunt is you... be blunt (none / 0)
I assumed he was calling her a pig and was ok with it. Polls are fun  to tweak people with, but meaningless in the long run, they are 1000 people that happened to answer the phone.If polls where so accurate they wouldnt all be different. Dont forget how wrong the polls where during the primary.ABC, CNN, CSPAN, Gallup, Reuters, USA Today, Washington Post, and Zogby polls all had Democratic candidate Barack Obama winning the New Hampshire Primary. They all had Hillary winning the nomination.  


by Chinese Democracy on 09/10/2008 06:26:29 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Oh boy (none / 0)
Ana

I'm sure you read the posts from our conservative members, so I ask you to NEVER give them an inch.  Their reality is skewed enough - we don't have to acknowledge that there is even the slightest possibility that they are correct.

I would framed the question as such:
"Obama wasn't talking about Palin, but I am!"
OR
"I think Palin is a pig with lipstick, despite what Barack says."


Just my two cents...

by TJD on 09/10/2008 04:11:03 PM EST

Booya! (none / 0)

100% right, 0% wrong.  And (since I saw it mentioned above) don't be worried about being too blunt.  It's a great thing, especially here in blogworld.

by Spencer on 09/10/2008 04:15:05 PM EST

the lovely Ana Kasparian (22 and a girl) weighs in (none / 0)

You're right!  Palin is a pig! 

 

But that's not what Obama is saying.   

by schmoab on 09/10/2008 04:16:42 PM EST

I can relate (none / 0)

I can't stand her or her politics either.  I was filled with anger that she was picked as McCain's VP and that it has boosted his numbers.  It sucks.  We will still prevail!!! 

I heard that Obama "gave the nod" for 527s to start attacking.  We might see a little down-and-dirty from the Dems yet.  But of course, he and Biden will have to be crafty themselves.

by desertpear on 09/10/2008 04:21:07 PM EST

The thing is (none / 0)
I don't see how her numbers stay this high. The only reason so many people think she's qualified and personable is because they know damn near nothing about her other than the McCain campaign's spinned, polished version.

Wait till people find out about her corruption, earmarks, pregnant out of wedlock teen daughter, insane religious views, pissing on the environment for oil, etc.

The list is very long. Some people are are of some of these things, but most are not even close to being aware of all of them. Hell, WE aren't even aware of the scope of all of her issues.

Also, many people say the MSM wants to keep this race close. IF that's true, they should be helping Obama now that McCain has tied/passed him in the polls.

And once for all can we get a 100% yes or no answer on if pollsters call cell phones?

by Tom Hanc on 09/10/2008 04:24:54 PM EST

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i just got polled today (none / 0)
on a cellphone... from the Dems, though, so it doesn't count as like a zogby or something.  The pollsters have learned to work around the cell phone issue.  What they haven't figure out yet is how to really measure turnout in a year like this with so many more registered voters who intend to vote. 

by schmoab on 09/10/2008 04:28:54 PM EST

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But (none / 0)
Do pollsters generally have access to cell phone lists? I tend to doubt it.

I mean, there are exceptions but still. That's my guess anyway, that it's much easier to get landline numbers.

by Tom Hanc on 09/10/2008 04:41:38 PM EST

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palin (none / 0)

re:  cellphones.  I am quite certain that pollsters weight the numbers or somehow account for people who only have cell phones.  I can't provide links, but I have seen it discussed.

I think certain Americans like Palin because she's a mom-Gump with strong religious convictions who "walks the walk."  Many Americans are serious church-going Christians.  They see the Democrats as secularist and unfriendly to Christian values.  McCain is not religious, so Palin suddenly grabbed all those people waiting for the "real" Christian to show up.  

I really don't think harping on all the facts of her past gets us any new converts at this point.  I don't think most Americans care, apart from us wonky types.  It's all about overall impressions rather than facts for most voters.  This has been proven again and again.  I think we need to refocus on McCain and why his policies promise to continue those of the past 8 years.  But that's just my two cents.

Yesterday I was on a hunting and fishing website and noticed dozens of glowing comments about Palin, simply because she is pro-hunting.  People tend to gravitate to those politicians that share their values, and are willing to ignore a lot of "facts."  In this, bobo is quite right, unfortunately.  Your average American can't really "get" how a highly educated black man will relate to their problems.  They aren't going to try either.  

it sucks.  We will win anyway.  

by desertpear on 09/10/2008 04:37:35 PM EST

[ Parent ]
While it's true that "many" (none / 0)
Americans are regular church goers, it's also a fact that the majority of of Americans do NOT go to church on a regular basis.

The majority of Christians are CINO's who generically believe in God, etc., but do very little in practical terms to behave any differently from us secularists.

Which is why I believe the numbers will change as more info comes out on Palin.

by Tom Hanc on 09/10/2008 04:43:46 PM EST

[ Parent ]
article (none / 0)

Be sure to check out the New Yorker article I link in Tim's blog.  It highlights opportunities we have in terms of the religious folks in America, particularly Catholics.

Even many non-church-going Christians are one-issue voters for whom abortion is a deal-breaker. 

You don't think enough facts have come out about Palin to convince people?  I would argue that people who care about such things have already noticed she isn't what she was sold to be.  People like my 80-year-old Catholic mom.  Whereas my Catholic aunt and uncle will not vote for the Democratic party regardless, because of the pro-choice stance.  Palin's corruption appears relatively benign after all the other crap that we have observed politicians engaged in these days. 

Obama is a more engaged and active Christian than McCain has ever been.  McCain has been opportunist in his attempt to get the Christian vote, but it is not necessarily his to have. 

by desertpear on 09/10/2008 05:19:52 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Pear (none / 0)
Let me rephrase my point. It's not that there aren't enough damaging facts on Palin and McCain available, it's that most low-info voters are simply not aware of them!

It's astounding and pathetic, but I'm coming to personally know about more and more people who know NOTHING about this presidential race other than the names of the candidates. That's not an exaggeration either.

They are JUST NOW starting to pay attention. We need to force feed them with easily digestible (and memorable) fact nuggets from now through November 4th.

This is a good start, send it to everyone you know if you haven't already.

by Tom Hanc on 09/10/2008 06:10:40 PM EST

[ Parent ]
well (none / 0)

I hope you are right ;)  I'm just not sure that making Palin the target is all that helpful when we are fighting McCain at the top of the ticket.

I still believe Obama will win the election, despite voter ignorance.

by desertpear on 09/10/2008 06:41:39 PM EST

[ Parent ]
I know I am off in the wilderness on this (none / 0)

But I think Obama should make it all about Palin.

Just like happened to him, the media will get bored with the pre-packaged, rags to riches political celebrity story and wander around back to look through the trash cans.  And Sarah has a nuclear waste dump around back.

Particularly since the McCain campaign is not giving the media anything.

You all realize the woman has given exactly ONE speech (the exact same one from the convention) in her national political career, she just repeats it over and over, like some lame pop act touring the country playing their singles exactly like they sound on the record.

She is only willing to do one interview and only on the condition that the interviewer is "deferential" to her (Rick Davis' word!).

The media has to make 24 hours of news.  Palin is the only thing anyone gives a shit about.  They will eventually wander off GOP script and then...

I may be wrong, no one seems to agree but time will tell.

by ProfRich on 09/11/2008 12:15:55 AM EST

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Obama needs to go on the offense (none / 0)

I think the point about Sarah needs to be the large point--that she is not qualified to be president should anything happen to McCain, and one can't be trained in that sort of thing overnight.  I think we should play on people's fears because it is fearful!!  But I think trying to educate voters on every past skeleton in Sarah's closet might not be necessary or desirable. 

Big picture is all I'm sayin.  For simple harried minds.  Don't misunderestimate them.  ;)

by desertpear on 09/11/2008 12:45:25 AM EST

[ Parent ]
That was awesome Rich (none / 0)
Your analogy to Palin being a cheesy pop star with a one-hit wonder is brilliant.

by Tom Hanc on 09/11/2008 10:59:21 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Matt Damon outdid me (none / 0)

Palin is a cheesy Disney TV movies.

"What happens when an average hockey mom becomes Leader of the Free World."

Starring Charlotte Rae, Zach Ephron and Miley Cyrus.

It ends when she placates Putin with her homemade oatmeal cookie recipe.

by ProfRich on 09/12/2008 11:26:36 AM EST

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I am going to put a marker down (none / 0)
If their is any appearance of a Palin sexual affair, Obama wins in a cakewalk.

by ProfRich on 09/11/2008 12:11:40 AM EST

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if she had an affair (none / 0)
what do you want to bet she wore a strap-on?

by schmoab on 09/11/2008 12:31:14 AM EST

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well (none / 0)
someone needs to volunteer to go and seduce her then! 

by desertpear on 09/11/2008 12:46:15 AM EST

[ Parent ]
I'm on it. (none / 0)

by Spencer on 09/11/2008 01:25:34 AM EST

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I was going to suggest another phrase (none / 0)
rather than "on" it, but I quickly realized it's the same thing.

by Tom Hanc on 09/11/2008 10:58:14 AM EST

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so disgraceful (none / 0)
I find it disgraceful and obnoxious and rude. And as a woman, from Alaska, I also find sexist and anti-Alaskan. Why not say she looks like a seal with lipstick, or a moose?!? pig gate

Whatever you do, don't click this link (studies show you're more likely if you shouldn't)

by tiggerporn on 09/10/2008 04:56:28 PM EST

I am a woman but (none / 0)
OK, I'm not actually from Alaska.

Whatever you do, don't click this link (studies show you're more likely if you shouldn't)

by tiggerporn on 09/10/2008 04:57:45 PM EST

Well (none / 0)
OK, I'm not actually a woman either.

Whatever you do, don't click this link (studies show you're more likely if you shouldn't)

by tiggerporn on 09/10/2008 04:58:24 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Here's what ROVE would do (none / 0)

 

He would quickly point out that despite her protestations, she HAS been a earmark pig at the public trough.

She IS trying to put lipstick on that pig. Call for her to return the taxpayers money her state kept after the bridge scheme fell through. Find out how she could ethically charge her state per diem for nights she spent at home.

She can wear all the lipstick she wants, I still see Arnold Ziffel...

Arnold Ziffel 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

by MedfordTim on 09/10/2008 05:14:19 PM EST

McCain uses same phrase for Hillary issue (none / 0)
as posted on Crooks and Liars.

by desertpear on 09/10/2008 05:24:00 PM EST

The point, exactly (none / 0)

Isn't that exactly what Obama was referring to when he used the cliche?  His reprising McCain is what makes it perfect.  Anything else would have lacked the proper punch.  Observe:

You can put A1 on a hamburger, but that doesn't make it a steak.

You can put snails on a plate, but that doesn't make them escargot.

You can put bubbles in grape juice, but that doesn't make it champagne.

...Or, if those are too "high-brow"...

You can draw cleavage on Danica Patrick, but that doesn't make her Veronica Zemanova.

No matter what, the pig analogy is still the best, regardless of whether Obama was referring to Palin (doubtful, by the way, as the best possible pig-Palin analogy would go like this: "You can put lipstick AND GLASSES on a pig, but it's still a DUMB-LOOKING pig").

by OneHitKill on 09/11/2008 11:46:31 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Is it just me (none / 0)

Or has anyone else notice Sarah Palin looks a little chunkier than in her pictures from just a year or so ago?

(that is how you call Sarah Palin a pig.  BTW, I honestly believe that if we could drop a few references like that in the high profile blogosphere, she would lose her mind and fall apart)

by ProfRich on 09/12/2008 11:59:12 AM EST

[ Parent ]
My take (none / 0)

is that McCain (or at least his McBush policies) are the Pig and Palin is the Lipstick. 

It's SameOld new and improved with Sexy Librarian goodness.™  That's the Lipstick.  It's marketing.  If Sarah Palin sells the SameOld, then it obviously not be the SameOld.

by sunsawed on 09/10/2008 06:01:36 PM EST

Polls (none / 0)
We have been running polls since 2006 several polls a day and that is about 970 days how many times have you been called in a major poll? None for me been with phone at the same place since 2006...

by army193 on 09/10/2008 06:56:24 PM EST

Anti-Abortion Forces Child Support on the Guy.... (none / 0)
and can send a guy to jail in the blink of an eye.....so the 'baby's daddy' has a little stake in the matter too.....

sean
portland
2trope.com

by sfinneganus on 09/11/2008 07:33:34 AM EST

Neil Kinnock (none / 0)
I watched the video a couple times and came to the conclusion that he was calling Palin a pig. Then I noticed something else. It seems that Joe Biden, son of Welsh coal miners, may be rubbing off on Barack. Barack is lifting from a lousy cartoonist.

by Twba on 09/11/2008 11:27:36 AM EST

Waitaminute, I'M WELSH (none / 0)
Let's see you do any better, Da Vinci.

by OneHitKill on 09/11/2008 11:49:23 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Isn't that special (none / 0)
You and Neil Kinnock have something in common.

by Twba on 09/11/2008 12:02:23 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Who the fuck is Neil Kinnick? (none / 0)
the guy Iowa's stadium is named after?

by ProfRich on 09/12/2008 12:00:39 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Starting point (none / 0)
Neil Kinnock

by Twba on 09/12/2008 12:18:35 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Do you know this story? (none / 0)

Really?

Its bullshit.

Twenty years ago he gave a speech 12 times and credited Kinnick for the quote 11.  He forgot once.

that is your big issue?

Its idiotic.

Nile Kinnick is Hawkeye stadium guy.

by ProfRich on 09/12/2008 01:13:02 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Dig past the starting point (none / 0)
Neil Kinnock is just the tip of the iceberg with Biden's plagiarism.

by Twba on 09/13/2008 12:34:51 AM EST

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Wow that is devastating (none / 0)

Biden plagiarized an article in college in 1965 and then was forgiven by the faculty.

Did you read that article, twba?

All it did was make me nostalgic for a government that actually answered questions and explained their actions.  Jesus, at least the man has the integrity to deal with this issue.

Here is a pop quiz on honesty. 

Which is worse:

A) a Senator plagiarized a paper 43 years ago when he was 21 year-old student.  He presents his defense which he put forth at the time, that he didn't properly understand sourcing, that the administration at Fordham accepted.   The Senator serves 30+ years as a pillar of integrity in the US Senate afterwards.  He never shies away from charges of his wrongdoing and answers all comers openly and directly.

B) a Senator begins lying about his POW experience.  The lies begin ten years ago when he decides he wants to be president.  The lie steals a story from a great Russian writer the Senator calls a personal hero.  The lie is clearly told to curry votes with religious zealots and illicit sympathy.  The Senator refuses to address the lying.  He insists that he is a man of such unquestionable integrity he is above reproach.  He continues to campaign on the lie.

C) the governor of a small state gives a forty minute speech which introduces her to the country.  The speech is almost a non-stop parade of lies.  She is asking to be a hearbeat away from the presidency.  She refuses every interview and will take no questions except for one highly controlled appearance.  Her and her campaign insist on ignoring all the lies even though they are clearly proven.  The campaign manager declares she will only speak to reporters who are "deferential" to her.

D) A young senator runs for president.   Despite being opposed by the slimiest and most dishonest group of people ever assembled, no one can even find a lie to accuse him of.

Rank these four candidates in order of honesty and integrity.

by ProfRich on 09/13/2008 09:06:17 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Of COURSE you did. (none / 0)

 

Your programming would allow nothing else.

by MedfordTim on 09/11/2008 02:41:51 PM EST

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ridiculous (none / 0)
I just watched it again and it is clear he is talking about McCain.  He never even mentions Palin or the VP.  Maybe you had your Republican goggles on?

by desertpear on 09/11/2008 02:56:32 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Imagine (none / 0)
Come with me on a magic carpet ride to an alternate universe. In this parallel universe, Barack Obama picked Hillary Clinton to be his veep nominee. During her convention speech, the teleprompter malfunctioned. To give herself a few seconds to regroup, she cracked a self-referential joke whose punchline is the word lipstick. A few days later while campaigning against Obama, John McCain attacked Obama's proposed policies and told a joke about putting lipstick on a pig still leaves you with a pig. The Republican audience howled with delight.

Do you need goggles to understand that?

by Twba on 09/12/2008 11:53:01 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Ummm, no (none / 0)

So Palin's stupid hackneyed joke made the word "lipstick" unusable for fear of offending your delicate sensibilities?

You hyper-PC, word regulating, thought police, crybaby conservatives are too much.

Grow up.

So can't I then say that McCain offensively using the lipsticked pig comment about Hillary set up Palin's nasty jab at Hillary?

Palin is clearly sexist.

 

by ProfRich on 09/12/2008 01:06:57 PM EST

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ok (none / 0)

So I guess the McCain campaign should tell us when a phrase or joke is okay to use again so we don't accidentally offend Mrs. Palin?

Take it from one of your right-wing mouthpieces if you still can't figure it out:

"There are two kinds of people in the anti-Obama camp - there are McCain supporters and Obama haters. Today the main event was all about lipstick after Senator Obama compared McCain's policy proposals to 'putting lipstick on a pig.' This story comes down to fairness, so let's analyze it in that context. Barack Obama is not a bomb-thrower, he never has been. Also, the Obama campaign knows very well how the vicious personal attacks on Sarah Palin have helped John McCain. So it would be beyond dumb for Senator Obama to smear Sarah Palin. The only people who would do that are the vile smear merchants at the DailyKos and some elements at NBC News. For anyone to say Senator Obama consciously compared Mrs. Palin to a pig is unfair. If you don't like Barack Obama, there are enough legitimate issues to challenge him on. But independent Americans, those who will decide this election, don't like this kind of stuff. And until pigs fly, they never will."

It's obvious that we have only one type of Republican here in the forum--Obama haters (including racists).  Nobody seems willing to be very proactive about telling us why McCain is so great for our country.  I wonder why that is.

by desertpear on 09/12/2008 03:22:09 PM EST

[ Parent ]
Oklahoma (none / 0)
I seriously doubt Ms. Palin was offended by Barack's trash talking. I wasn't offended.

I just pointed out that the audience recognized it for what it was. It doesn't help you to pretend that he was not making fun of Palin. It only makes you look stupid or hopelessly goggle eyed.

by Twba on 09/13/2008 12:29:21 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Twba (none / 0)

You claim you watched the Obama quote and concluded he was calling Palin a pig?

Then you are either an idiot or a liar.

Oh, and could you please link to the post expressing your outrage on the numerous occasions McCain referred in the EXACT SAME WAY to Hillary?

by ProfRich on 09/12/2008 11:57:08 AM EST

[ Parent ]
ProfRich (none / 0)
I was no more outraged by McCain's reference to pigs and lipstick than I am by Obama's. Just because I don't care if the candidates trash talk doesn't mean I'm unaware of their trash talking.

by Twba on 09/12/2008 12:17:40 PM EST

[ Parent ]
At least we agree it is a non-issue (none / 0)
So let us never speak of it again.

by ProfRich on 09/12/2008 01:09:30 PM EST

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Issue (none / 0)
The issue is that so many are unwilling to admit that Barack was trash talking. Why did everyone in the audience howl with delight when he referred to a pig with lipstick? They knew what he was doing. Barack was poking fun at Palin. Why is it so difficult for you to admit that?

by Twba on 09/13/2008 12:27:06 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Canadian Abortion Clinic (none / 0)
x

http://www.morgentaler.ca/

There will be an increase in US flights to Toronto.

by sfinneganus on 09/13/2008 10:29:05 AM EST

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