Paulson Plan Pisses Me Off


We are going to spend $1 trillion bailing out our financial institutions.  Of course, we are already spending way more than we are collecting in taxes, so we have to borrow the money, $3,400 for every man, woman and child in the US, to bail out these companies.

I get why we're doing it - we really don't have much of a choice.  But it really makes me steaming mad inside.  To understand why, let me explain my (possibly erroneous) view about what happened.


During the period from 1890 through the 1930's, before and after the Great Depression, the US government put laws in place to enable capitalism to perpetuate, because if it went unchecked it would get so large, it would implode.

For example, when some personal estates, like the Rockefellers', got so huge, it was apparent the family could not spend enough in a generation to keep the estate from growing exponentially.  T hese estates eventually will get to be so big, they will be bigger than the Gross National Product, and capitalism implodes.  So the government created estate taxes to put some of that money back into the government - just enough to make sure that personal estates cannot grow exponentially from generation to generation.

Similarly, after the Depression, banking regulations were put in place to help protect the overall banking system.  Capitalism encourages and depends on people and companies to maximize their profits.  Because of this, sometimes companies and individuals will do things to make more profit that ultimately will harm our system of capitalism.  For example, there are regulations that prevent lenders from giving out predatory loans - loans that either have gigantic interest rates or loans that they know the borrowers cannot pay back.

Now, skip to 2,000.  The housing market is booming.  The banks figure, why should the homeowners make all that profit from the appreciation of their homes, when we are the ones making it possible for them to own homes by giving them loans?  With a bit of help from the Bush Administration (this actually started with Reagan) and the Republican congress, they got congress to repeal regulations put in place to perpetuate capitalism.  They repealed the estate tax.  They ignored anti-trust laws.  They allowed the media to be owned by a few powerful people.  They lifted regulations that kept banks from using predatory lending practices.  They allowed banks to give loans to people with low interest rates for the first 3-5 years, and then baloon to a rate that they knew the borrowers could not afford.  The payoff for the bank was in huge points and fees when the homeowner was forced to refinance in 3-5 years.  These huge points and fees get tacked onto the value of the loan - essentially giving the profit from the increase in the value of the real estate to the bank.  Hopefully, there would be enough leftover to payoff the homeowner's credit card debt, probably to the same bank.  And since people were then able to buy houses that cost more than they could really afford, that helped to artifically inflate the value of the houses.

The whole system worked great for the banks (not so much for the homeowners) until the - predictable - cyclical downturn in the real estate market.  All of a sudden the homeowner did not have enough equity in their house to refinance and fold the refinance charges back into the new loan.  Once the houses were no longer increasing in value, the system broke down.  When this happened to enough people, even the financial institutions themselves failed.

That brings us to now.

The government is in a panic about these financial institutions failing, and they are willing to borrow $3,400 on behalf of each of us to bail out these institutions.

But they weren't willing to bail out the homeowners, which would have prevented the financial institutions from failing AND would have kept people in their homes.

And this is what makes me boiling mad.  We are going to have to go further into debt to bail out these fat cats that got fat by ignoring the lessons from the past, and they got fat by stealing our home equity to begin with.  We get thrown out of our houses ANYWAY, and the CEO's from these financial institutions are going to take their Golden Parachutes and move to Dubai.

I'm going to go take a walk.  Maybe when I come back I'll find that this was all just a bad-trip flashback, and this isn't really hapenning.
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My two cents pertaining to the sub-prime issue:

I know that we've all heard or read people telling us that the issue is complex, and the reasons that it happened are complex, and that the answer to who's responsible is complex.

But, I'm here to tell you, brothers and sisters, that it's not.

Deregulating rules on selling loans is the one single thing that caused this.

All these fly-by-night sub-prime lending companies were complete, total scams.

They made loans that to people that they KNEW would default when the payments ballooned. They couldn't GIVE these loans away fast enough. They had to SELL the idea to people. They used sales tactics to convince people to take these loans.

Why would they make loans that they knew couldn't be re-payed (in the terms) ?

Because they knew that they were going to sell them.

They sold them to companies that bundled them with other loans and sold these bundles to larger firms that bundled them with other types of loans. They bundled loans were finally purchased as investments by companies like Lehman and Merrill.

The whole thing was a scam, but legal because of deregulation.






by perdido619 on 09/19/2008 11:35:13 AM EST

Is exactly what I think caused the whole thing.  You only need to vet a person enough to know they'll be able to make the payments for a short while, then you sell the risk to someone else.  All this horse manure about the government "forcing" banks to lower their underwriting standards cannot explain the huge numbers of commercial and higher end loans (which were not bound by these guidelines) that were not properly vetted.  It was the usual culprit: greed, pure and simple.

by bfaul on 09/19/2008 12:00:21 PM EST

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that they knew the borrowers could not pay the loans once they balooned.  They purposefully allowed borrowers to "qualify" based on the artificially reduced initial interest rates.

Bt it is not quite as simple as the greed of the loan originators.  The banks that managed these mortgage-backed securities that bought up those loans also knew the borrowers could not afford the loans once they balooned.  They bought the loans because of the profit they would make when the loans had to be refinanced - profit that came from the housing bubble, and depended on house prices increasing.  They created those loans to take the house value appreciation away from the homeowners and put it in their own pockets.

They didn't care if the homeowners defaulted and they had to foreclose - the house values were increasing and they would make even MORE money on the foreclosure.

And now we're bailing out those sick F*ckers.  $3,400 in debt for each if us and our kids.  Money our kids will have to pay back to China.  With interest.

by rbruck on 09/19/2008 12:36:47 PM EST

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How, I wonder, does Mr. Paulson plan to shit the money for this?  I can't see how else he's going to come up with it.  We sure as hell don't have a surplus of funds just lying around.

If you can shit bundles of $100 dollar bills at $10,000 a bundle it will take you 10,000,000 trips to the bathroom to generate $1 trillion.  Can a person shit this many times in his lifetime, never mind a few months?  I'm definitely worried that he may not have thought this through. 

by bfaul on 09/19/2008 12:05:39 PM EST


and the other sources of funds for Treasury Bills - world banks, retirement accounts, etc.  It is likely this will cause the interest rates to go up - the supply of T-bills just got a lot bigger, so where is the demand?  Especially since there is a possibility this plan might not work at all, and it takes the Federal Reserve down with it.

But the world banks and China hope that this works, and will do what they can to help it work.  After all, all the US debt they own will be worthless if the Federal Reserve defaults.

by rbruck on 09/19/2008 12:22:26 PM EST

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Here is an article from CNN business titled:

Why China Won't Come to the Rescue 

by bfaul on 09/19/2008 01:04:31 PM EST

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This crisis could have possibly been averted if the government had done something about the mortgage crisis a couple of years ago to cut it off at the pass so to speak.  We could have created a $1trillion trust fund to ensure people would be able to negotiate payments they could afford on these mortgages.  Instead, the greed prevailed and people holding the notes thought they were better off waiting and seeing if these things would fail.  When the risk is spread throughout the system, you've got nobody with any incentive to renegotiate anything.  What happens is a precipitous decline in real estate values due to foreclosures.  If the government had taken a more aggressive stance on the foreclosures, much of real estate decline could have been averted and we wouldn't be saddled with all of this bad debt. 

by schmoab on 09/19/2008 03:37:31 PM EST

Bobo already explained nothing could have been done to prevent the mortgage crisis until mid-January, 2007 and nothing that caused it happened before then.

Because if that isn't true, then how can it be all the Democrat's (and Nancy Pelosi from San Francisco) fault?

by ProfRich on 09/19/2008 04:05:31 PM EST

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