09/20/2008 08:41:27 PM EST

Breaking News - many Americans still racist bigots

posted by desertpear

Not really "breaking" - I'm just being sarcastic.  Ready to be depressed?  A poll was conducted in tandem with Stanford University to determine how racial prejudice may affect the election.  I know I live in the liberal bubble of the west coast, but I have a hard time reading that such a large proportion of whites harbor such beliefs and attitudes towards non-whites.  I've suspected that this is the reason that the race is so close, but I would rather have been proven wrong on this.

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"Certainly, Republican John McCain has his own obstacles: He's an ally of an unpopular president and would be the nation's oldest first-term president. But Obama faces this: 40 percent of all white Americans hold at least a partly negative view toward blacks, and that includes many Democrats and independents." 

I also suspected that some of the hard-core Hillarists were simply racist rather than feminist. This turns out to be true.

"Among white Democrats, Clinton supporters were nearly twice as likely as Obama backers to say at least one negative adjective described blacks well, a finding that suggests many of her supporters in the primaries — particularly whites with high school education or less — were motivated in part by racial attitudes." 

Do Americans think their hero Jesus was a white man?

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most americans believe in god.

most americans do not believe in darwinian evolution.

most americans are innumerate.

most americans are ignorant of science.

why is anyone surprised that merely "many" americans are racist. 

by neo on 09/21/2008 02:53:33 AM EST

Still more breaking news! (none / 0)
The shift key has two locations on the keyboard for your convenience.

by Spencer on 09/21/2008 08:21:43 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Don't get too depressed (none / 0)
These people aren't really democrats.  They're "reagan democrats" or some bullshit like that. They were never going to vote in the first place, but they got all fired up because hillary was in the election, and now they're going to recede into nothingness and not care about the state of the nation as usual.  These were the "operation chaos" democrats.

Chris

by chrisandyasemin on 09/20/2008 09:11:31 PM EST

yes but (none / 0)
What bothers me is that Obama could lose the election for this one reason alone. 

by desertpear on 09/20/2008 09:41:53 PM EST

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No Chris... (none / 0)
They might not be true Leftists marxist Socialists like most of you guys here at TYT, but everyday average white America still harbors a lot of animosity, fear and hatred of minorities... Even Democrats...

Does it mean that they are hood wearing klansmen? - No

Does that mean they support Republicans only? - No

When are you guys gonna get it through your head that some people of my creed and color simply dont like the idea of having a Black guy as President? Ther doesnt need to be an explanation of rationale for it - people are simply more comfortable being around and being led by 'their own"... It doesnt mean they are overt racists, it doesnt mean that they wish harm onto anybody - it simply is n uncomfortable but unfortunately true phenomenon...

I hope McCain doesnt win, but I cant honestly say I want Obama to win... Lots of people think like I do on this occasion, you guys better start coming to grips with that... How do you plan to govern when 1/3 - 1/2 of the people have some sort of bias/prejudice against the Commander in Chief?

Thanks

:)





by bobo1 on 09/20/2008 09:42:39 PM EST

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well (none / 0)

I understand general prejudice and how pervasive it is.  What I have a hard time understanding are those (like yourself?) that maintain those attitudes even toward a man who displays such obvious intelligence and ability.  It doesn't make any sense to me.  I can only imagine it springing from the most superficial and shallow attitude towards people imaginable.

I really think the election of Obama would help to heal some of the prejudice in our society.  People would soon realize he's just a fracking human being.  

 

by desertpear on 09/20/2008 10:10:19 PM EST

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what the hell are you talking about 1/3? (none / 0)
More than half of the country doesn't approve of bush, so if you're worried about 1/3 being uncomfortable with the president, then that's still better off than we are with bush.

"Ther doesnt need to be an explanation of rationale for it - people are simply more comfortable being around and being led by 'their own"... It doesnt mean they are overt racists, it doesnt mean that they wish harm onto anybody - it simply is n uncomfortable but unfortunately true phenomenon..."

xenophobia=racism= a stupid reason to vote

You're smarter than that bobo.  You don't like black people, but yet you don't want to vote McCain.  If you are one of those people, you're proving the story wrong, so thank you!

;)
Chris

by chrisandyasemin on 09/20/2008 10:18:41 PM EST

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History Trivia (none / 0)
Question: What do Lyndon Johnson, Jimmy Carter, Harry Truman, George HW Bush have in common?

Answer: They were elected only once to the presidency.

 In fact, if you go back 80 years, not that many presidents were elected twice. The office of the presidency consumes good men.

Of the men who managed to be elected for two terms, they generally left with their reputations in tatters. The country was not sad to see them retire: Nixon, Eisenhower, Bush, Clinton.

If elected, Barack Obama will meet the same fate of all his predecessors. The opposition will tear him apart, limb from limb. When he leaves office, he will be the most hated man in America. The legacy of the Democrat Party will be linked to him for generations.

My strong belief is that Barack Obama will be a one term president.

by KenTX on 09/20/2008 11:23:40 PM EST

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A few corrections (none / 0)

First, you need to add G W Bush to the "elected only once list."

Second, you left off FDR who was elected FOUR times and people still love the guy.

Third, why will four years of Barak Obama cause a negative legacy that will be linked to the Dems for generations but the legacy of GW will be forgotten by 2012?  What about the legacy of Richard Nixon?  He was a crooK!

This post is psuedo-history.  Ken citing a bunch of real people to appear to make a point that doesn't correlate to the data at all.

by ProfRich on 09/21/2008 12:25:18 AM EST

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Trivia question for Prof Rich. (none / 0)
Not counting FDR, how many Democrats have won two consecutive presidential elections in the last 150 years? Don't give us a bunch of qualifiers, just answer the freakin question! (I'm typing this on my bb while driving down Highway 6 in Sugarland. That's how good I am at history.)

by KenTX on 09/21/2008 01:33:01 AM EST

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Prof Rich is unable to answer. (none / 0)
Here are the sounds of Prof Rich answering this simple question:

"Not counting FDR, how many Democrats have won two consecutive presidential elections in the last 150 years?"

Would anyone like to help him?

by KenTX on 09/21/2008 06:43:53 AM EST

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OK (none / 0)
First - you need to know that the very premise of this is fallacious. Asserting that Obama will be a one term president because there have been other incumbant Democratic  presidents that failed to be re-elected is ... retarded. (Don't chide me for being Un-PC, I mean this is the strictest sense.)

And how many of these were there ?

Just one - Carter.

And I'm certain that the reason ProfRich didn't reply wasn't because he couldn't answer, but because he has a life.

by perdido619 on 09/21/2008 08:16:48 AM EST

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Since FDR (none / 0)

by perdido619 on 09/21/2008 08:18:47 AM EST

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KenTX is unable to answer (none / 0)
Anyone care to help him?  Nah, didn't think so.  Just leave him there.  He's rain-proof.

by OneHitKill on 09/21/2008 11:11:36 AM EST

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2 (none / 0)

The answer is two.  What is your point?

So that would mean three Dems have won twice in the last 150 years, although it seems like FDR should count either two or three times depending on how you look at it.

For Republicans it would be, lets see, six, if you accept Bush won twice or that Nixon's cheating counts.

by ProfRich on 09/21/2008 09:44:26 AM EST

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2 Term Dems (none / 0)
Cleveland - not consecutive 1884 and 1892, I think

Wilson 1912-1916

FDR 1932-1936

FDR 1936-1940

FDR 1940-1944

Clinton 1992-1996



But -


Truman was an incumbant Dem that won re-election - 1948.

LBJ was an incumbant Dem that won re-election - 1964.


Cleveland and Carter are the only 2 incumbant Dems to lose re-election, Cleveland later acheived re-election.

This leaves only Carter.

And what does this prove? Absolutely nothing.

Ken - your posts can't possibly be serious. I swear this is some kind of performance art thing.



by perdido619 on 09/21/2008 10:04:41 AM EST

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Rich Responds (none / 0)
"So that would mean three Dems have won twice in the last 150 years. For Republicans it would be, lets see, six."

Seven: Bush, Reagan, Eisenhower, Nixon, McKinley, Grant, Lincoln.

It's hard to win two presidential elections, back to back. Only three Democrats have managed to do it in 150 years.

I don't think Barack Obama has what it takes to match Clinton, FDR, Wilson.

by KenTX on 09/21/2008 05:01:11 PM EST

[ Parent ]
How can you tell if McCain is losing in the polls? (none / 0)
KenTX switches back to his "Obama will be the most hated president EVAR argument."

"The eyelid is a joke"

by richardshort2001 on 09/21/2008 08:58:38 AM EST

[ Parent ]
Ken's right about that. (none / 0)
He WILL be hated. But any Dem would be hated, for no other reason than he/she isn't a Republican.

Fos News will be the 24-Hour Obama Sucks Channel.

by perdido619 on 09/21/2008 12:37:21 PM EST

[ Parent ]
A couple of things.... (none / 1)
"...some people of my creed and color simply dont like the idea of having a Black guy as President? Ther doesnt need to be an explanation of rationale for it - people are simply more comfortable being around and being led by 'their own"... It doesnt mean they are overt racists..."

Um....yes....harboring an irrational, unexplainable fear of someone and simply ( being ) more comfortable [...]around and being led by 'their own' is pretty much the definition of racism. You may not be wearing your sheets, but that's your own fear of people finding out how you feel about 'colored folk.'

That doesn't mean you are more reasonable than the hood-wearing, confederate flag waving shitheel marching in a Klan parade. It just means you're a chickenshit. At least they are brave enough to make a stand. You? You hide behind justifications and stupid excuses for your intolerant behaviors.

"How do you plan to govern when 1/3 - 1/2 of the people have some sort of bias/prejudice against the Commander in Chief?"

Gee, why don't we ask Bush, since he has had a under 30% approval rating for more than two years. Of course, in his case, it wasn't so much PRE-judging, although a healthy number of us DID have a bias against him from the beginning. With him, it was based on his (non) performance. You don't have that excuse with Obama - all you can say is "He's Black."

I BEG of you - change professions. Please don't pass on your bigoted, small-minded beliefs to children. You represent the "one step back" for every two steps forward.



by MedfordTim on 09/20/2008 11:32:57 PM EST

[ Parent ]
So many racist bookmarks... (none / 0)

So little time.

Do you get nervous any time you have to teach a student who's a minority?  Just curious...

Thanks

<:)   Klansman smiley

by Spencer on 09/21/2008 08:34:53 AM EST

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Why am I not surprised (none / 0)
bobo1 is knee deep in a discussion about racism?  After all he is  a major cheerleader for it.

When is bobo1 going to get it through his head that there are ALWAYS going to be racists in this country. As well as people who believe that witches are causing car crashes but theirs is not the majority view?

 Obama is leading in every single poll and has been for 99% of the time. Being African American was not the  deciding factor in the outcome of the primaries (bobo1 predicted it would be) and wont be in the presidential race.  

Socialists? Ohhhh bobo1 must mean Bush . Because of the bail out  of AIG, Fannie Mae, and Freddie Mac , socialism is alive and well in America thanks to the conservatives.

I love shoving that down the conservitards throats I really do.

your welcome

Republicans portray the government as the enemy. Then when they take over, they prove it.

by Chinese Democracy on 09/21/2008 01:14:36 PM EST

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Very good insight Chris, I agree! (none / 0)

What I did was listen to Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity (to each - half hour to 45 minutes) and, as harrowing as each was; I found out that each spews  several hate messages per segment (that period between "breaks")

Add that to the 40 million fans Rush says he has, and the 25 million Hannity says he has -- that's a whole lot of hate being spread each day.

I've tried many times to see if Rush or Sean could go five minutes, starting with the opening segment, without spreading hate upon the democrats or Obama himself.  But, over the last six months (I couldn't do it everyday, but there were many times I've done it several days in a row) Neither Rush nor Hannity could go longer than a few seconds; almost a minute in one or two shows.  I stop as soon as I heard words containing attack words with hate as their under-current. 

All I do is sit for a few seconds and sooner rather than later out it comes -- you can depend on it. 

by Lennilenape on 09/21/2008 01:29:31 AM EST

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This is news to you? (none / 0)
There is nothing new in the anything the comedian rush limbaugh or hanity say. Its their shtick. Wait till you hear Micheal Savage . They preach to the choir. The rhetoric is not going to garner any converts. Its pretty well known fact that the comedian rush limbaugh is a drug addled liar.

The conservatives dominate radio. We dominate the net

Radio is the past
The net is the future

less and less people listen to radio
more and more people get their news from the net
Hell CNN even twitters

Republicans portray the government as the enemy. Then when they take over, they prove it.

by Chinese Democracy on 09/21/2008 01:20:18 PM EST

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Personally... (none / 0)
I'm not worrying about the racist white vote. I feel that there are many racist white guys out there that still admire a brilliant athlete even if he is black, so I'm hoping that enough racists can mustard up that kind of admiration or respect for a genius black politician, that might save our economy. But I might be wrong, but I'm not worrying about it.

oh, and Obama can sure shoot some hoops;)

Y.

by chrisandyasemin on 09/20/2008 11:27:33 PM EST

Dude, you think Obama is not aware of this? (none / 0)
Why do you think that they are out there with that massive ground game that he has? The Obama campaign plans to make up for this racist element with increased turnout from the other groups. Yes, there are many white voters that will get in that booth and say "no, I an not voting for the n---er". However, there are many, many, many more people who will vote FOR Obama that have never voted, or do not usually do. It will make the difference and turn what people think is a close race into an Obama blowout. Obama does not need to win the white vote nor is he planning on it. 30-40% is all he needs. Young voters, Afro Ams, and Hispanics will put Obama in the whitehouse. Bet on it.

by mijoh on 09/21/2008 12:47:18 AM EST

Racism (none / 0)
Races didn't even exist until about 200,000 years ago when homo sapiens spread from a small tribe to populate the world and various pockets of humanity became isolated and developed races. We are all brothers yet keep finding reasons to divide us. After races it was tribes, then nation states, religions, and gender as men hang on to power. Wonder what we will add next so every "I" can say at least I'm better than that person.

by stanski on 09/21/2008 01:54:44 AM EST

breaking new's (none / 0)
The same thing Is happening with the other groups,  It's a 2-way street , Voteing one way becuase of race.
 
But I for one will not let race change my vote. " White american from wisconsin" You all act like It's only one group doing this,  But I think you must wrong about that.

And no Jesus Is not white, nor Is he black

by tuna on 09/21/2008 10:56:52 AM EST

The Biology of Race (skin color) (none / 0)
There is an excellent article in DISCOVER Vol. 22 No. 2

The Biology of Skin Color:  Black and White
By Gina Kirchweger

It can be found here

The author discusses why scientists think humans first became hairless (the need to sweat to stay cool in the open savannas), developed dark skin ( to protect vitamin B in the skin from breakdown by UV light, important during pregnancy (tanning beds are harmful during pregnancy)), and then evolved lighter skin in upper latitudes (to absorb more vitamin D, also very important during pregnancy).

This is a good description how the "races" evolved.  I personally care little about someones vitamin B & D levels.  Our DNA is almost exactly the same, deposition of melanin is not what makes a person who they are.
_________ ___

Judging a governor for installing/using a tanning bed? Well she doesn't believe in science anyways, and falls into the category of the ignorant, along with all the racists.

by cruzi on 09/21/2008 01:02:41 PM EST

About Jesus (none / 0)
As a Semite, wasn't he TECHNICALLY Caucasian?

by jarett on 09/21/2008 02:40:46 PM EST

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