Sarah Palin's Speech Meant Nothing!

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We go through this strange dance every four years, where we all agree to a fiction. That fiction is politics. We, the people who cover politics, know that this is all a show and yet we all implicitly agree to not let the American people in on it.

Sarah Palin is given credit for a great speech Wednesday night. But why? We all know she didn't write it. It wasn't her thoughts, her ideas or even her decision. She read the speech they gave her like a good little student. She is not the decision maker. She is an actress, that's all. And we all agree to pretend she is the person who meant the words she spoke in that speech.

This is a huge fraud we perpetrate upon the American people. It is particularly egregious in the case of Palin because we all know she had absolutely nothing to do with that speech other than to deliver it. At least we presume McCain contributed to the ideas behind his speech, even if he didn't write the specific words (at least we hope that he at least contributed the ideas, but we're not even entirely sure of that).

So, it turns out Sarah Palin reads well from a prompter and the media declared it a "grand slam." Wolf Blitzer, Anderson Cooper and Chris Wallace all proclaimed, "A star is born." Ironically, that is exactly what she is -- a star, an actress. Do we care what's behind the screen?

This is all doubly ironic because the McCain campaign have been complaining about how Obama is a "celebrity" and that giving a good speech doesn't mean you're ready to lead. But then Palin gives a good speech (which by the way was not really a good speech because it was a purely negative message that didn't relate to the lives and problems of real people at all) and, voila, she is judged ready to lead. Is anyone awake?

I was the first one to say we shouldn't underestimate Sarah Palin because I saw that she had a very good camera presence in her few television appearances and she did some things as governor that could appeal to independents. So, let me be the first to warn in the other direction. Her speech meant absolutely nothing. It proves zero, zilch, nada about her. It proves she was a surprisingly undervalued sports anchor.

This woman has more skeletons in her closet than a Halloween party. She was not vetted at all. You don't think that's not going to come back to bite them? They're going to be so lucky that they picked the one person in the country who is going to be completely clean by chance? The vetting process gets you down to the one person who is best able to withstand this scrutiny. If you don't do it, you're playing Russian Roulette with your campaign.

McCain has always been a wild-eye gambler. You know what happens with wild-eye gamblers? They get crushed. They lose everything they have. You haven't heard the last of Palin's troubles. One well-delivered speech does not wipe away all of the problems with her candidacy.

We are being asked to elect a person who was the mayor of Wasilla, Alaska two years ago. She won her last election for mayor by getting 909 votes. Not a margin of 909, just 909 votes period. She's been a Pentecostal for a long time (when do we uncover the tapes of her shaking and speaking in tongues). She was neck deep in petty, parochial politics. Why would she ever think that doing things like trying to get her brother-in-law fired in Alaska would come back to bite her?

And currently she has been studying foreign policy for a week straight to try to learn what she is supposed to say about national security. Nobody is that good an actor. If you don't know foreign policy, you don't know it. If the press can't expose that, they suck.

I have always thought the idea of having foreign policy "experience" is a bit of a sham. There are very few people outside of the president who have real foreign policy experience. So, the trick is to really know your stuff. To have studied for along time what the conflicts and issues are all about. What makes different nations, tribes, sects, religions, national leaders tick. Obama has been studying this for years. Biden has been working on it for decades. McCain has been involved in it for a long time, too (though I think he assumes he knows what he is talking about because he's a "war hero" and hasn't done the hard work of actually knowing all of the different factors involved in foreign policy). This is not something you learn in a week.

One of the reasons I say all this is because she is yet another empty vessel for the Republicans. God forbid she becomes president, do we have any idea who will capture her in the White House? Who will be her Dick Cheney and what incredibly foolish thing will they convince her to do? The fate of the free world cannot lie in the hands of a person who's most important qualification is that she reads well from a prompter. Please tell me we're not all that stupid.

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I don't know Cenk, there are alot of stupid people here in Texas! I guess if the elect someone who is as stupid as them they feel comfortable that they are not the only stupid ones in the room. BTW great job covering the conventions! The TYT team has much to be proud of. I wear my TYT hat and shirt with pride. Oh and tell Dave nice camera work on the interview with Hoover. WOW! Hubba Hubba!

by halapno22 on 09/05/2008 07:26:33 AM EST


Cenk you are my idol. I will pass this on to EVERYONE I KNOW.

 

Keep up the good fight.

 

by igneous on 09/05/2008 09:06:21 AM EST

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Palin's speech, while it rallied the crown in orgasmic proportions, I think it did a very poor job of introducing her to moderate Americans. However, as bad the speech was McCain's comment immediately afterwords was 10 times worse. (Paraphrasing here) "Didn't I choose the right woman for the job my friends". I found this to be endlessly patranising, as if one (bad) speech is going to convince me that Palin is in any way fit to be VP. I understand where McCains was coming from, he had to somthing nice when he  came to the center of the stage. The demeaning quality of what he said leads me to belive that he really thinks we are that stupid, stupid enough to accept Palin on the bacis of one (bad) speech.

 

Did this stung me more then it did most of you?  As comments like this start to build up I am left to believe one of two options: either McCain really is that stupid, and cant see the harm in what he says -or- McCain's ego is so large it doesn't sound patronizing to him, instead he thinks it's appealing to me and you.

Am I looking to much into this? Even is I am, what he said is still stupid.

 

by Edward on 09/05/2008 10:44:25 AM EST


it makes me puke.  I really think he now thinks of himself as some amazing historical martyr.  I'd like to see him go all the way in that endeavor. 

by desertpear on 09/05/2008 03:24:29 PM EST

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the most disturbing thing in his awful, boring, recycled from every GOP speech of that last two decades acceptance speech was his insistence that he has to serve his country, whether his country wants him to or not.

It was strange.  the man has been in Congress for 30 years but seems to think he has to be president because he is compelled to serve his country.

In his warped mind his extraordinary ego and ambition are miscast as martyrdom.  He seems to think he is doing us a favor by spending the last decade running for president and abandoning every single belief he has on along the way to embrace a party and ideology he himself has consistently called evil over the course of his career.

At every juncture, given the choice of abandoning a moral principle he holds dear or the belief that he, and only he, must be president, McCain has made the same choice every time.

This man has one core principle, his own ascension.  And he has deluded himself into believing is about him serving us.

Its like going down to a Catholic run homeless shelter and saying you have been called to serve and when being given an apron and a ladle proclaiming you really feel like you should be made pope.

The man is an egomaniac.

by ProfRich on 09/05/2008 03:59:18 PM EST

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Cenk, haven't we already established that the press sucks?

They are not picking up and running any of these things that are coming out about her -- the Bridge to Nowhere, the Mat Maid Dairy cronyism, none of it.

by jarett on 09/05/2008 12:04:10 PM EST


Because its not press,  its propaganda, and they do it very well.  Palin wouldn't have lasted 26 minutes without a propaganda machine drowning out rationale voices.
Here is the deal, as the Repub fall back on blame the press because rich white guys are so oppressed, the TYT's, the HuffPost, the Nation, AAR, and all the rest have to distinguish and separate themselves-- attack the propaganda and McCain/Paling at the same time.  The worst that could happen is the MSM cleans up its act for a little bit, and imagine how wonderful that would be while Palin is so vulnerable and ol' John is staggering around befuddled?
It isn't that every news person is in a conspiracy, and that's a fallacy which perpetuates manipulated media--it's that the key people recognize a common interest, or the institutional pressures are.  When we start calling it what it is, it creates a narrative which explains all the complaints about the "msm".   ; We have people out there ready to go, (like Cenk, Rachel, Thom, Olberman) they just need a little backup and a clear head.  We are spending too much time flailing without a clear picture of what we intuitively know.  Check out the wiki on propaganda-- go down the list of techniques and I think you'll recognize everyone of those in one news cycle.
  So jarett, what I ask is the you change the title of your blog "The propaganda sucks."

by NicoloM on 09/05/2008 07:22:12 PM EST

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Cenk, I mostly agree with your ascertions here.  You as usual are right on the money about so many usually obscurely discussed hypocrisy’s and obfuscated half-truths that are passed off as factual by the media just because it’s said in the limelight by a politician.  The two things I disagree with you are based on the “empty vessel” sobriquet you’ve christened our favorite Neocon/beauty queen.  Palin in my opinion is certainly not worthy of the less sinister moniker of an empty vessel, due to the fact that she is a highly effective extremist neo con in her own right.  In just a decade she’s lead the life of a prototypical Reaganite zealot, infesting her government offices with the idealic agenda’s with which she is nothing more than a drone of.  Consider the fact that she’s (deep breath) fired officials due to not supporting her politically as a Mayor of the insignificant Wasilla, east of Nowheresville, failed at being a stellar student whilst highly under-achieving at six different universities which would make Dick Cheney’s community college credibility seem alluring, flip flopped on the bridge to nowhere to use the Rovian etymology, actually trumping no bid contracts when it comes to the gas pipeline contract she gave to TransCanada Corp by actually signing law tuned for the massive corporation which “Critics in the state complained that Ms. Palin had undercut her clean-government image by appointing as her chief adviser on the pipeline a former lobbyist for TransCanada.”,  is against environmental science by emphasizing her support for drilling in the ANWR province and her disbelief of global warming causation by mankind, fired personnel again as a governor for not doing her bidding, has practically never left North America, is married to the male version of Laura Bush, is in love with earmarks, as mayor of her inuit colony she cut property taxes by 40% slashing revenue, and then proposed several capital expenditures that left the town of 7,000 $20 million in debt, that’s $2860 dollars per capita, and Republican Lyda Green Alaska State Senate president claimed “I found that if you disagreed with her or tried to amend or change something, that was sort of off-limits. She did not like being told no or to change it.”, and finally she is pro-life of course.  Seems she resembles a certain Cowboy we all know.  The only credibility she has is not being in big-oil’s pocket.
I also disagree that Palin’s speech meant nothing.  Obama raised nearly $10 million due to her speech!  It also means that 37 million people were treated to milftastic (soon to be gilftastic) spinning for the length of her speech.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2008 /08/30/us/politics/30palin. html

by elimenez on 09/05/2008 12:58:24 PM EST


I have two problems with your article.  A) Speech written not hers - can't the same be said about Joe?  After his embarassing move on 60 minutes I can't believe Barack would ever let him go au natural.  B) Becareful about your comments about her family, especially her daughter.  Her daughter's actions are her daughters and not hers.  It doesn't represent how Sarah is as a mother or politician.  I have my own opines about that not based on her daughter's actions.  My mother had me at 17 just turned 18 like Barack's mother did.  That doesn't mean our mothers were bad people or our grand parents, it means our mothers had a kid.  She was married for 54 years before dad died.

You should have enough ammo to attack Sarah and the Republicans than to pick on her daughter or speech writers.

by northernlightsdemocrat on 09/05/2008 01:53:46 PM EST


There is a right and wrong way in going about discussing Palin's Family in this election. So far the Obama campaign has played its cards well, however the media hasn't been anywhere near as critical as they should be. They shouldnt make the case that Palin's family members are bad people, a piller of our liberal state of mind is that we're all human, with human flaws etc. But in light of Palin's family situation the media must press her on the topics Sex Ed and Abortion. An absitance education only program in pulic schools would be detrimental the Americas youth, and not alowing women to choose in the case of rape, wether you're pro-life or -choice is (in my opinion) reprehensible and disgusting. Moreover, her decision to accept the nomination aswell as McCain's decision to give it to her when considering everything going on in her life should be questioned by the media; thats not sexism, thats journalism.

We can agree that the candidates family should hold little bearing on modern politics, and were our society a more liberal one, I doubt they would. However, it is the conservative establishment that have made them a part of our politics, of this Palin is a shining example, she was a viable choice for McCain because of FAMILIY values.

The hypocrisy we have been witness to in the past few days is incomprehensible. And like 99% of hypocrisy in American politics, it emanates from the republicans. Instead of spending energy arguing against making Palins Family an issue, we should fairly and objetivly make a case of their hypocrisy. If Palins family ends up inbetween the cross-fire, while it might not be right, it is Sarah Palin who is to blame, she new the facts long before any of us did, yet she accepted the nomination at a risk to her privicy.

While I usually don't condone a "for the greater good" philosophy, considering everything that is F'd up with America right now, I could care less about Bristol Palin, and if scrutiny of her wins Obama a few more votes; I say Scrutinize! Does that make me just as bad as the republicans?

 

 

by Edward on 09/05/2008 02:53:30 PM EST

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But Barack argued, and I agreed whole heartedly, family is off limits.  Michelle's comment started a fire storm on the Republican side and he fired back.  I was glad to see him do that.

That being said, we can't degrade Sarah on those issues if Barack's wife is off limits.

I agree we should ask her for her stand on issues, but we should ask those if her daughter is pregnant or not.

Like I said before, there is plenty to attack the Republicans about that we don't have to attack family.  Especially when the attacks I see by my fellow democrats can be used against Barack's parents.  The only difference we know how it all turned out right?  It produced the next President.  How do you know Sarah's daughter won't either?  Isn't that Barack's message?

by northernlightsdemocrat on 09/06/2008 02:59:13 PM EST

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Matthew Scully wrote Sarah Palin's acceptance speech.  If you want to know where he is coming from you can Google his name.

Unlike Bill Clinton, most politicians don't write their own speeches.  Instead, they sit down with a writer and explain in great detail what they want to say.  It is the writers job to put those ideas into not just words, but verse.

The criticism is not of Scully, but of Palin.  Obviously, when Scully began work on this speech Palin did not even know she was McCain's pick for VP.  He was not composing her thoughts; at best he was composing McCain's thoughts.  Perhaps this is true for other VP speeches in the past, but in all of those cases the VP candidate could at least claim to have been involved in the writing process.

Palin was involved in the memorization process and nothing more.

by DigitalDave on 09/09/2008 10:22:33 AM EST

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He is also a very strong voice against cruelty to animals and wrote a book on the subject called Dominion.  I respect him for that.  I guess it doesn't pay the bills though ;)

by desertpear on 09/09/2008 04:39:07 PM EST

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Ah, it was all about a "good defense is an offense" strategy in that she failed to offer anything of substance. Let's consider for a sec her position of rare leverage with Exxon leases in Ak..

For being a tough broad with the Biness as usual crowd she's so quick to say she stares down, seems to me she had a lot of negotiating juice during the Exxon Valdez supreme court settlement earlier this year, only to allow them to do the biness as usual, Skate. Pennies on the dollar...... Hockey mom is right.

In her speech, she refers to the "do nothing senate." This speaks highly of her running mate.  Oh, why wasn't Abba booked at the CON- vention, to jam out "Dancing Queen."? 

by Rampart on 09/05/2008 02:22:49 PM EST


Now I can't stop laughing to teach.

by ProfRich on 09/05/2008 02:57:19 PM EST

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I would argue that you can no more cram to be competent in foreign policy in a few months than you can become a surgeon or psychologist in a few months.  But Americans seem to have this simplistic view that some Gump-like person can take the wheel, as long as they have the moral compass, love Jesus, and can shoot a gun.  I can't believe it, but it seems true.  I don't understand the love affair with Sarah. 

by desertpear on 09/05/2008 03:37:51 PM EST


But can you cram a seven country visit in two weeks and claim to be a foreign policy expert? 

Isn't this what Barack is doing?

This is my one concern about Barack but I'm willing to over look in November because he has other winning ideas and experience.

by northernlightsdemocrat on 09/06/2008 03:04:44 PM EST

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Well, he did choose Joe Biden as VP, so presumably he has that 35 years of experience to draw on. 

And, Palin has shown no previous interest in foreign policy.  She has been very Alaska-centric.

There seems to me to be a huge difference in terms of the whole "approach" to foreign policy too.  Obama is very pro-diplomacy, while McCain has the "warrior mentality" and admittedly acts out of haste at times (see Palin pick?).  I am seriously afraid of more "warrior mentality" in the White House right now.

Again, many writers on Daily Kos have addressed this specific question during the primaries.  You can search on "Obama foreign policy experience" and get a load of diaries.

Between the two tickets, the Obama/Biden ticket has more foreign policy experience.  The McCain/Palin ticket has the added risk of a completely unexperienced person becoming president.  The Obama/Biden ticket does not carry that risk.

 

by desertpear on 09/06/2008 03:43:51 PM EST

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1. Obama has a B.A. from Columbia in political science with a specialization in international relations

2. he seems to have been keeping up with the foreign news section :)

CODELs are dog and pony shows, you'd be better of reading the New York Times world section
being part of the foreign relations commission or something would count as, but just visiting troops overseas doesn't give you anymore insight if you don't keep up with the state of the world

by callisto on 09/06/2008 05:42:15 PM EST

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If we have learned anything from the past 2 elections it is that unfortunately the American voting electorate loves an empty vessel.It still boggles the mind that Bush, the anti black hole (everything escapes him), was elected twice. There is a possibility these people hold a common bond of no substance between themselves & a blank slate.Maybe they just  fill in the blanks on the proverbial mad lib that is the candidate to see & feel whatever it is they believe.However,the answer most likely exist in the archival files of perpetual motion that was George Carlin's mind."Think of how stupid the average person is,& realize half of them are stupider than that. "

by Crazyfinger on 09/05/2008 06:46:20 PM EST


Palin will become a footnote in political history.

PS. Watch for what's happening up in Alaska

PSS We need people to watch the voting machines in November. Will you volunteer? 

 

by Andrew Koenig on 09/05/2008 07:52:50 PM EST


to mark your path wending through the plethora of information from 
(a) not-Todd's child by illicit affair (excellent time-line at Vanity Fair) with business partner of husband who just lost a motion before the court (docket here) to seal his divorce records to
(b) "snowbilly" lawbreaker with a "redneck" father of her first grandchild.

But, the one question I have that hasn't been asked is:

Assuming that Sarah Palin is the mother of Trig, what husband would even take the chance of impregnating his 43-year old wife while in her first year as governor?

by gatekeeper50 on 09/05/2008 11:43:42 PM EST

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As a taxpayer, I would not be that happy to see my governor get knocked up right after being elected to office.  Have they never heard of birth control?  I guess they are religiously opposed to it being used in their family. 

by desertpear on 09/06/2008 03:45:49 PM EST

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a Geraldine. 

To me that was the most embarassing moment in Democratic politics.  Her husband was indicted on corruption and fraud charges.  If that happened today she wouldn't have made it to the convention.  The press would have drummed her to outer Mongolia in a New York second. 

About the only time I was not vocal about being a democrat.

by northernlightsdemocrat on 09/06/2008 03:08:22 PM EST

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I believe Obama deserves the excitement and crowds, but I think Sarah is a flash-in-the-pan.  Once the election is over, I don't think we will hear much about her.  Too much dirt has been exposed already.  She's just another typical republican, but with an extra dose of redneck and religious extremism.

by desertpear on 09/06/2008 03:47:40 PM EST

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If History hasn't taught us anything it has taught, Americans as a whole rise to the ocassion. I truly believe that the realist problem we face today in our nation,  is that not enough of the people are exposed to the truth. Unbeknownst to many, I've heard stories that there were fueds in certain states regarding to who won the Civil War, lasting for years after the war. Yes we have, yes we can and yes we will.

by Mario Dean on 09/06/2008 04:07:45 AM EST


Sarah Palin is given credit for a great speech Wednesday night. But why? We all know she didn't write it.

She gave a great speech. She didn't write the great speech by herself. There is nothing unusual about that.

She is an actress, that's all.

She's just an actress? She resigned her chair on the Alaska Oil and Gas Commission in protest of the corruption of a Republican commission member. She defeated the incumbent Republican governor in the primary and then defeated a former two term governor in the general election. Just an actress?

So, it turns out Sarah Palin reads well from a prompter and the media declared it a "grand slam."

The Alaska governor overcame several glitches and technical problems to deliver her speech without getting flustered, impressing McCain and his staff and allowing them to breathe a sigh of relief.

Foremost of the obstacles, Palin's teleprompter was not working properly.

With 40 million Americans scrutinizing her performance, only the teleprompter operator fucked up. Not every speaker is as smooth as Gov. Palin when the teleprompter is on the fritz.

Why would she ever think that doing things like trying to get her brother-in-law fired in Alaska would come back to bite her?

The son of a bitch deserves to be fired.

We are being asked to elect a person who was the mayor of Wasilla, Alaska two years ago.

She's now the governor of Alaska. Barack Obama is now a U.S. senator. Not long ago both were small time. They're both big time now.

We're being asked to elect Gov. Palin to be vice-president where she will quickly get up to speed. We're being asked to elect Sen. Obama to be president on day one.

The fate of the free world cannot lie in the hands of a person who's most important qualification is that she reads well from a prompter.

Gov. Palin has a record as an agent of change --change for the better. Barack Obama has read just words about change from a prompter.

Sarah Palin: Change We Can Trust

by Sally Socialist on 09/06/2008 02:30:43 PM EST


but hey, smart, replying to Cenk, when you know the man in on vacation

by callisto on 09/06/2008 02:34:46 PM EST

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Cenk's column is exceptionally nasty and deserves a timely reply whether he is on vacation or not. My reply will still be waiting for him when he gets back.

Sarah Palin: Change We Can Trust

by Sally Socialist on 09/06/2008 03:36:44 PM EST

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That Sally Socialist is really just another KenTX sockpuppet?

by desertpear on 09/06/2008 03:49:55 PM EST

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Have we determined that someone in the People's Republic of Portland never imagined that Palin would be a smashing success in battleground states? Are you still waiting for Gov. Palin to be replaced on the Republican ticket?

Sarah Palin: Change We Can Trust

by Sally Socialist on 09/07/2008 02:06:25 PM EST

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Sarah will be forgotten in a year.

by desertpear on 09/07/2008 04:29:17 PM EST

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you're an expert in all things nasty, so you probably know it when you see it, must be like looking in the mirror

by callisto on 09/06/2008 05:46:01 PM EST

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You're an expert of nothing, so explain Seinfeld for us.

Sarah Palin: Change We Can Trust

by Sally Socialist on 09/07/2008 02:03:44 PM EST

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how is that even a reply to comment

time to take your meds Sally

by callisto on 09/09/2008 09:57:22 AM EST

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Cenky wenky, i love you to death but how many years go by where we progressive thinkers are left saying "Are we that stupid?" America CAN"T be that dumb!", "There's no way the American people will fall for this", etc etc on and on. the truth is America DOES fall for this kind of crap. That is something the Republicans have figured out and the Dems have'nt, though I'd love to be proved wrong with a Obama presidency.

George Bush has been proving this point for close to 8 years now. His persona taken from not Ronald Reagan, but a Ronald Reagan movie no less! There, i said Ronald Reagan twice in one sentence and then again for a third time..


Watching the RNC do their thing the last few days was like watching a bunch of children. Palin reminded me of the popular girl in high school that pitted her friends against eachother so her clique would be the most powerful in school. Cyndi with her insane star trek dress code.. Rudy is just crazy and so into himself it's hard to watch.. having the time of his life finally with the green light to rip on Obama for 45minutes with nothing but cheering idiots backing him up. But all of them.. just railing on Obama for 4 days straight clearly sends the message that tearing down the other guy is more important to them than anything else, at any cost.. They have figured out they can lie and cheat like bandits and the only recourse is a fact check in a newspaper the next day, which nobody reads anyhow. They go big, swing hard and look to DESTROY the competition. This is why they win.

We keep saying.. this time will be different, people are waking up.. Maybe they are, but Oblah-ma better get his sh-t together and go at these Aholes with a battering ram the next couple months or we are fkd.

I fear he is going to outsmart himself by going on O'Reilly, appearing humble and getting closer to the conservative machine to try and sway these voters.

God i wish the VP was Hilary for the only reason that  I'd love to see her destroy Sarah von Weaksauce in the VP debate. Could you imagine? Biden will have a tough time ripping into her without the media/people at home feeling for her side no matter what she says.. she is not Hilary and will get powder puff treatment from the media i expect.. Which, I believe is partly why McCain chose her. . . though I foresee a Bensen/Quail moment brewing.. Biden better be all over that sh-t.


by nozini on 09/06/2008 03:49:59 PM EST


If Hillary was as talented as Sarah Palin, Hillary would have defeated Barack for the nomination.

Sarah Palin: Change We Can Trust

by Sally Socialist on 09/07/2008 02:02:45 PM EST

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I guess that is why you can't say this except through your sockpuppet.  What a coward you are.

by desertpear on 09/07/2008 04:27:47 PM EST

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so why didn't she run for the top of the ticket?

apples and oranges, like George Bush couldn't get elected in 2000 and needed to be appointed, Palin could only rise to this position by being appointed by a non democratic system

by callisto on 09/09/2008 09:58:50 AM EST

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