Why American Hockey Moms Don't Exist

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Unlike Sarah Palin, who was just out driving people to practice, I was PLAYING hockey for 6 years.  I hate to say it, but Hockey moms aren't really a big demographic.  Hockey dads, that's a different story.  How many Americans have heard "hockey mom" before Sarah Palin?

Exactly, you've heard "Soccer Mom", but Hockey mom is a term they just made up to get people thinking they are a huge demographic.  My mom took me to games frequently, but she never stayed because she didn't give a fuck about hockey.  She wanted me to be happy, so my parents paid around $1000 every year for my equipment and fees.  This is not a cheap sport.  I would say only middle to upper class people play hockey in early life, because lower class people just can't afford the equipment for a growing child every year.  Once again, this is not going to relate to 95% of Americans.  If you go to youth hockey games, the dads are there not because they care more about the kid, but because they care more about the hockey.  They are the coaches and the spectators, because they played as youths or wanted to play as youths.  We had a couple girls in our league, which is awesome, but it was 98% male on the ice and in the stands.  I played for 6 years, so that's 3 times the amount of time Palin has been governor.  Technically I could be vice president.  My point is, I experienced the AMERICAN hockey culture for a good portion of my youth, and was friends with the hockey players throughout high school.  I'm not buyin it, and I don't think Americans will buy it.

Chris
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If so, what the hell were you doing skating around on ice? Real men play football.

by KenTX on 09/06/2008 02:23:09 PM EST


oh wait you're attempt at being funny settles that point :)

what's with all you're real man crap you keep bringing up again and again, oh is that code for gay bashing?

sorry, got it now

by callisto on 09/06/2008 02:26:30 PM EST

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Just proves you're racist...I played defensive/offensive line, played soccer/indoor, wrestled, do muay thai/jeet kune doe.  I weigh 190 and can bench around 260-270...and who's the real man here? 

chris

by chrisandyasemin on 09/06/2008 02:26:52 PM EST

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Chris, in Kenny's mind you just prooved you're gay, because you played soccer.

great response btw

by callisto on 09/06/2008 02:31:55 PM EST

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Chris, you know how you can totally make Kenny's world come crashing down: say you can swim.

damn, hope Kenny doesn't read this, kinda hoping he makes a remark about swimming and blacks in the future :)

by callisto on 09/06/2008 02:39:39 PM EST

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And you played on the line? That's DB size. You must have been slow in the 40? And I'm sure you arch when you throw up your little 260.

by KenTX on 09/06/2008 02:44:21 PM EST

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I just hit really hard...who needs to arch when you have pectoralis majors?

by chrisandyasemin on 09/06/2008 02:48:54 PM EST

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i was 170 then going up against 300 pounders and winning...learning how to use my center of gravity from wrestling directly translated to pushing people back on the line.  maybe if you did something besides football you'd realize that some skills carry over.

by chrisandyasemin on 09/06/2008 02:50:30 PM EST

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where i'm from 260 pounds for 190 pounds ain't bad...but then again, I never juiced.

http://forum.mesomorphosis. com/steroid-forum/anabolic- steroids-use-texas-13423432 7.html

by chrisandyasemin on 09/06/2008 02:55:01 PM EST

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All we had was football, baseball, and basketball when I was growing up. Soccer was for girls. Hockey was for Eskimos. Blacks and whites were team mates, just like Denzel's Spartans. Times were simpler.

by KenTX on 09/06/2008 04:01:41 PM EST

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for a simple mind...


you set yourself up for that one...i'd be an asshole not to have said it

by chrisandyasemin on 09/06/2008 04:22:38 PM EST

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you're from Texas, never saw that one coming, you just blew my mind

Canadians are Eskimos now?

yeah, we all know about your simpler times, then the gays came to Texas and messed it all up or people got smart, like ProfRich, they really killed the Simple Life

and finally I can tie you and Paris Hilton together

by callisto on 09/06/2008 06:05:55 PM EST

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that's what I thought of when he wrote his comment

"played defensive/offensive line, played soccer/indoor, wrestled, do muay thai/jeet kune doe.  I weigh"

Kenny attention, grammar 101:
"played" indicates it was in the past, ... euh like when your uncle made your mommy pregnant and you were the result
"weigh" indicates it's current, ... euh like you're reading this now

have to go slow with this one, afraid his brains might overheat :)

by callisto on 09/06/2008 06:02:25 PM EST

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can get people some times.  what's funny about ken's comment is that he was trying to say i was too small to play line at my current weight, when I was smaller then...that just means i'm all the more badass by his standards, because technically i was "too small" to be a lineman. 

by chrisandyasemin on 09/06/2008 06:20:18 PM EST

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that would only have made you more of a badass if you were a Republican :)

I know their "logic" doesn't hold any consistency or logic for that matter :)

by callisto on 09/06/2008 06:25:37 PM EST

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But those big cornfed German farmer kids should have tipped the scales.

by KenTX on 09/06/2008 08:28:35 PM EST

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did he just go, where I think he went?

Kenny is going for gold, making some nice Nazi allusions

remember the black guy won the gold and the Arian didn't in '36

by callisto on 09/06/2008 09:31:17 PM EST

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you're attacking me for being small, when I said earlier that I was going against 300 pounders.  let me say this again, I was a small lineman because I HIT HARD.  Yes, players in Indiana are probably a little bit smaller than Texans, but only because we don't use anabolic steroids...you'll probably condone juicing, but I believe in fair play.  Seems like steroids are the texan way.

by chrisandyasemin on 09/06/2008 09:51:13 PM EST

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Please explain to Euronut about Indiana German cornfed farmer kids. He doesn't even know what a Hoosier is.

by KenTX on 09/06/2008 11:52:20 PM EST

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actually I do know what a Hoosier is, it's kinda hard missing that stuff, when it's used almost everytime when they talk about Indiana.

Shocking I also know about the Cheeseheads, the Potato people, Garden State, ...

I'm certain you just wanted to make an innocent reference to the largest ancestry in Indiana, especially after
1. you established the race of the person you were attacking
2. you belittled his physique
3. you make references to Germans, who have been best known for some "little event" in the 20th century that brings up the image of the Arian Race bullshit

but yeah, I'm sure it's as innocent as you say it is and it isn't a veiled reference or code for something, I mean it's the same thing we see FOX News and righwing media do over an over again and they would never do that, would they?

by callisto on 09/07/2008 07:31:44 AM EST

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You see Ken, Germans come from Germany, not Indiana.  Yes there are very large cornfed hicks here, but no Germans.  I know A German, but if you listen to the accents around here, it sounds more like the Beverly Hillbillies than the Third Reich.  By the way, Hoosier is a debated term that noone really knows what it means anymore, so it is a generic term for someone from Indiana, the actual origin is still debated.  Some scholars maintain that Hoosier means "whale's vagina" in olde Germanic.

Chris

by chrisandyasemin on 09/07/2008 12:30:18 PM EST

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Alaskan for "Socker Mom".

No doubt Youth Hockey is way more elitist than eating arugula.

by rbruck on 09/06/2008 01:26:11 PM EST


it doesn't relate to normal americans at all.  people are going to be like?  what's a hockey mom?  americans are bad at connecting things like that...look at bush and the economy!

by chrisandyasemin on 09/06/2008 01:32:06 PM EST

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really grates on my nerves.  Why?  Because I AM a hockey mom and I don't want that woman to be associated with me. There are some of us, but mainly you are right, it's mostly fathers.  And I'll tell you why, because hockey really smells! That and because until not that long ago, women were not allowed to play.  As far as what socio/economic group plays, I think that depends on where you are in the country.  We live in the WNY area, and every group plays here.  But were are very close to the Canadian boarder, so it is extremely popular here.

by Duncansmom14 on 09/06/2008 02:39:48 PM EST


I can hold my breath underwater...*Gasp*(shock and awe)....
Thanks Duncan's Mom for supporting me on this one.  I think women should be involved in hockey, football, and wrestling, and not get segregated, but that's just me.  Hockey equipment stinks terribly, and that is the one thing I DON'T miss about hockey.  Please keep speaking up in your local community and on the internet to let people know that this "hockey mom" label is offensive, and out of touch.  Have you ever even heard the term before this week?  Like I said, Soccer mom has been around since i was in middle school, and MILF came around with American Pie if you all forgot.  This "hockey mom" label is a fabrication, and as Duncans mom has agreed with me, it's mostly fathers.  For once fathers are doing right in America, and they don't get credit for it...bass ackwards I say.

Chris

by chrisandyasemin on 09/06/2008 02:48:00 PM EST

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...can Chris swim, but he also DOESN'T play basketball. Send the Discovery channel over for a documentary;)

Yasemin

by chrisandyasemin on 09/06/2008 03:22:22 PM EST

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this is one for the Confederate Institute of Mechanics (they still frown upon the term science)

by callisto on 09/06/2008 06:09:23 PM EST

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your stuff wouldn't have stunk. LOL  My son is required to hang his gear after we get home and spray it with Febreeze........... works like a charm.  His stuff has never smelled, but some of those boys practically drive me out of the changing room. 

Where we live hockey and Republican don't really go hand in hand.  Most of the families are struggling and have to sacrifice and do a lot of fundraising to pay for their children to play.  Even house league is expensive and because so many play here if you want to make it to high school you have to play travel, which is at least 3x's as much.

 

I do understand why referring to her in this way appeals to their base though.  The sport doesn't matter, it's that she is perceived  as a dedicated mother.  And to fundamentalists it's important that her identity of mother be stressed, as that is her place.  They are hoping we all attack her on that basis, because they need something to energize these people to make sure they don't stay home in November.

by Duncansmom14 on 09/06/2008 03:08:26 PM EST


It's supposed to appeal to that American demographic of women saddled with so many brats that all they do is drive them around to their various after-school activities.  But the term "soccer mom" (and, by association, "hockey mom") to me has always meant a woman that didn't have to work.  They are the women you see in cafes in the middle of a working day, pushing their strollers and meeting other breeding females.

Hockey is awesome.  My dad played hockey and I grew up watching the Portland Buckaroos in the Portland Coliseum.

"There were huge, noisy crowds (remember the cowbells and air horns?) and big rivalry games with the Seattle Totems and Spokane Comets. Bench-clearing brawls in an era before all the sissy rules against leaving the bench. You wanted to pick on little Arnie? You’d have to deal with Madigan or Bionda. Maybe at the same time."

Drill Palin First!

by desertpear on 09/06/2008 03:13:01 PM EST


My husband and I decided before we married that we wanted one parent to stay home when we had children.  And then we argued over who it was the lucky one, I won the arguement.  And for your information, sometimes I do enjoy meeting other mothers over a coffee. 

 I can't figure out what I find more offensive.  Your implication that because I've given birth to 2 children or my desire to have adult interaction with my peers, that I am somehow less than you or deserve some sort of contempt.  I certainly must lack the mental capacity to make competent decisions for something so important as the presidency right? 

So maybe you can help me out, which is the part that obviously bothers you so much?

 

 

by Duncansmom14 on 09/06/2008 03:27:12 PM EST

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Is Sarah having five children and claiming that she is a "feminist" because she has so many kids PLUS a career.  Can your average American mom pull this off?  How about a single mom?

I realized after posting that I was overly offensive to moms, sorry.  I am perfectly fine with one parent staying home with the children and I think I am bothered by the fact that she has five and neither parent seems willing to stay home and raise them, especially with a newborn special-needs child. My mom stayed at home to raise us.

The offensive thing is that I am so envious when I see non-working moms meeting for coffee.  As a single woman, I have to work so damn hard that I am just jealous, so sorry I took it out on moms.

I apologize.  I am mostly just angry about Sarah.

by desertpear on 09/06/2008 03:59:05 PM EST

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I still maintain that the label "hockey mom" is meant to appeal to non-working mothers and not single or working women.  That was my point stripped of my offensive anti-breeding rant ;)

by desertpear on 09/06/2008 04:03:51 PM EST

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that she is an unrealistic 'working' mom.  As a stay at home mom I am pulled in a thousand directions with only 2 children.  In my original post I started to question how it was possible that she was a mother of 5 with a full-time job that could still take any children to hockey, but then stopped myself.  Because we need to ignore the Right's attempt at defining her, it's a losing argument.  And we had a little taste of it right here.  We end up insulting the hard work of millions of women, whether they do that work at home or a place of business.  She isn't trying for VP of the PTA but the USA and so we need to forget about her being a mother and deal with the fact that she seems to have no real knowledge of the issues that are facing this country.

 And I'm sorry that I took your post so personally.

by Duncansmom14 on 09/06/2008 04:30:35 PM EST

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for accepting my apology ;)

I so agree that this is what makes attacking Sarah such a delicate situation!!  You made me more aware, and thanks for that.  I can be really offensive when it comes to babies, because I'm not the mom type, but I'll try to be more sensitive. 

by desertpear on 09/06/2008 04:43:10 PM EST

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And nothing pisses me off more than the people who believe women have to reproduce!  We aren't cattle. 

So good for you for making the decision that makes you happy!

by Duncansmom14 on 09/06/2008 05:04:51 PM EST

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so this argument is one she will have to tread lightly on...
Chris

by chrisandyasemin on 09/06/2008 05:11:56 PM EST

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We'll have to let babies in the Big Tent.  ;)

by desertpear on 09/06/2008 05:20:14 PM EST

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Its working!

by KenTX on 09/06/2008 08:08:10 PM EST

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My hate is all diffuse and played out now. 

by desertpear on 09/06/2008 10:36:28 PM EST

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What took you so long? And don't try to tell me that your husband is voting for Obama, or I'll know you're a liar. (Unless you live some weirdass place like VT or CA)

by KenTX on 09/06/2008 04:18:10 PM EST

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there is a point in your post.

 We in the left are successfully baited into bashing large sections of the electorate because we buy into the Right's definition of Religion, motherhood, and what it means to live in a small town.  And then we alienate them.  There was just a moment when my anger flashed that I wondered why I tried.  Are my husband and I fortunate enough to only need 1 income?  Yep.  We have lived the American dream, and for that I am thankful everyday.  But my personal belief is that if you are so blessed it is your duty in society to use your advantage to help others, not try and horde it and become mean and ungiving.

I was raised by a single, unwed mother before it was socially acceptable for a woman to raise a child she conceived if she wasn't married.  In fact my mother was fired when she refused to go into seclution and give me up.  She had to move to a large city, and then was finally given a job in a parts department where the public wouldn't see her shameful condition.  We were poor and for a while lived on welfare.  The thing that disgusts me the most is that all the people right now scolding the media for discussing Bristol Palin's pregnancy are the same small minded people that called me a bastard to my face as a child.

 

So to answer your snarky question, no I won't be voting for McCain this Novemer.......... not in a million years.  But then I'm not a coward who sells out the beliefs this country was founded on for a few extra sheckles. 

by Duncansmom14 on 09/06/2008 04:56:06 PM EST

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He knows how much better off your family would be if you weren't paying such high taxes.

by KenTX on 09/06/2008 08:54:14 PM EST

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he just can't help himself, can he :)

this is Kenny's way of saying women are too dumb to have a valid opinion or am I missing it?

by callisto on 09/06/2008 09:34:01 PM EST

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and their intelligence ;)

by Duncansmom14 on 09/06/2008 10:52:56 PM EST

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keep 'm coming :)

by callisto on 09/07/2008 07:33:09 AM EST

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Ken just said:

 

He knows how much better off your family would be if you weren't paying such high taxes.

But whose tax plan is this?  Its the Bush/McCain plan Ken is referring to.

Ken, you are supposed to say how much better off they are because they are paying less taxes.

Dumbass.

Oh, wait.  Things suck?  Quick, talk about McCain the POW, STAT!

 

by ProfRich on 09/08/2008 02:45:59 PM EST

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you're one to talk

I know, I know, people from Vermont and California aren't real Americans like you

by callisto on 09/06/2008 06:17:00 PM EST

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Whenever I hear soccer mom, I think Vicodin, Xanax and pilates...that's what that term brings to mind, but not "working".  I think "working moms" and "soccer moms" are definitely not the same thing.  My mom was a "working mom" that took me to hockey practice, but by no means was she a "hockey mom".  She had way too much going on in her life to be lugging around pizzas for a bunch of smelly young boys.  While I was at practice, she would be working and so would my dad.  And she would either have to STOP WORKING to come pick me up, or have someone else do it.  She couldn't be in 2 places at once, and unless Sarah palin is some sort of magician, neither can she.  My mother is an extremely successful president of a foundation.  She does not have time right now to raise a kid, and she will be the first to tell you.  I am definitely not trying to knock either palin's motherhood, or her record, but if you talk to any GOOD mother, or GOOD female worker (use your own judgement as to what makes a GOOD mother...I would say the kids' behavior), they will be the first to tell you that as much as people want to say you can do both, you can, just not at the same time.  Someone has to be watching the child while she is working.  My grandparents stepped in when my parents were working, so they deserve credit.  You can't reasonably tell me that she sat with a crib in the Governor's office for the last 5 months?  If she did have the crib there, how can she focus on the governor's responsibilities if she is watching her child?  Once again this is not a referendum on her child-rearing abilities, but this is a break-down of their "working hockey mom" claim.  I think the republicans only see WOMEN, and think that all WOMEN are "hockey/soccer moms" when lots of women are career-oriented power businesswomen who could care less about raising a family, much less becoming a soccer mom.  Once again, the republicans are conflating demographics because they are out of touch, and it will come back to bite them in the ass.
Chris

by chrisandyasemin on 09/06/2008 03:32:42 PM EST

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the season is to long...the rules are goofy and its too,...well... Canadian...real men play football ( not that weird Canadian shit) on the frozen tundra...

by MRFred on 09/06/2008 03:23:13 PM EST


playing rugby, I mean American football with all that protection, none of that in English rugby, real brutality for real men :)

I shouldn't use the words "real men", because Kenny just made me realize it's code for gay bashing

by callisto on 09/06/2008 06:22:54 PM EST

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Oh. That's right. I forgot.

by KenTX on 09/06/2008 08:18:50 PM EST

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started higher up

so let's see, we have Kenny making remarks of the following kinds:

- racist (but he's moving up in the world, applying for the Nazi level, we already know some of his policies are fascist anyway)
- sexist
- anti-gay

come on Kenny say something derisive about the Jews and Gypsies, you know you want to, so you can get that NSDAP merit badge

by callisto on 09/06/2008 09:41:15 PM EST

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While American football players are wearing a lot of protective gear, they are also exponentially larger and stronger.

The game (Football) is also much more prone to serious injury, just due to its form.

Whatever, if you like rugby, that's cool.  I don't get the need to pointlessly attack other people's tastes.

 

by ProfRich on 09/08/2008 02:49:14 PM EST

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although I can watch themed movies about them :)

usually like the American Football movies, but when I turn on the real thing, it's not as cool :)

wasn't a taste attack, was a "real man"-attack, if Kenny would bring up such stupid attacks I wouldn't have to respond

but in defence of rugby, the guys tend to be smaller, but that game is nasty, if you see how much blood sometimes gets flung around :) + the lack of protective gear makes them do nasty shit to each other when the referee isn't watching, same for the soccer players, protect your balls at all time :)

by callisto on 09/08/2008 09:14:35 PM EST

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