01/26/2009 12:53:41 PM EST

Kudos for Carolyn McCarthy and Chris Matthews

posted by callisto

NY Governor David Paterson appointed Kirsten Gillibrand to take Hillary Clinton's Senate seat

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Kirsten Gillibrand is a NRA poster child and neither Carolyn McCarthy or Chris Matthews is having it.
We should support Carolyn McCarthy in 2 years in the primary, besides being right on the gun issue, she just seems the most lovely person in Congress.

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Help me understand (none / 0)

More power to McCarthy if she wants to challenge in two years, no problem.

I've never owned or had the desire to own a gun - can't think of anyone off hand I know who does - but I am not anti-gun, nor am I anti-NRA. I don't agree with many of their stands, but they don't represent anything evil in my mind.

Is there anything besides Gillibrand's NRA support that someone can point out which would lead me to think that she is any less qualified than other possible selections? Anything egregious which makes her unfit to be seated?

I'm also confused at the shocked - shocked! - response at her appointment as hers was one of the first names I heard bandied about - even before Caroline Kennedy's name surfaced. Why is this such a surprise?

I get that if she's a Blue Dog she is not a person I'd like to see voting on laws, but Obama has a Blue Dog as his right hand man so that part doesn't seem out of line. What's behind the vitriol? With Kennedy and Cuomo, the main objections were "dynasty" claims - no such issue here, so why aren't the people who were bitching about bloodlines cheering?

Someone wanna help an old man out here?

by MedfordTim on 01/26/2009 02:58:56 PM EST

I'll try :) (none / 0)
>not anti-gun, nor am I anti-NRA. I don't agree with >many of their stands, but they don't represent >anything evil in my mind

I don't hunt, I don't own a gun, but I don't want to stop anyone from hunting, I do want strict gun control laws.
I don't care that you can shoot an uzi at the shooting range, I do care when people start keeping uzis at their homes.
And that's where I do think the NRA is evil, they are not protecting the rights of hunters, they are protecting an absolute right to gun ownership that seems right out of the Wild West. The laws they fight in court and the laws they try to get passed in Congress, make them evil in my view.

more on http://en.wikipedia.org/wik i/National_Rifle_Associatio n#Criticism

>Is there anything besides Gillibrand's NRA support that >someone can point out which would lead me to think >that she is any less qualified than other possible >selections? Anything egregious which makes her unfit >to be seated?

She also used to be bad on LGBT issues, but the morning she got opointed to the senate, she flipped on the issues :)
Similarly, we're seeing her flipping away from the NRA platform as we speak (again since she got named for the Senate seat)
At least the pressure is making her move away from the Blue Dogs. 

>I get that if she's a Blue Dog she is not a person I'd >like to see voting on laws, but Obama has a Blue Dog >as his right hand man so that part doesn't seem out of >line.

yes, she is a member of the Blue Dog Coalition, Rahm Emanuel might be too DLC for my taste, but he isn't a Blue Dog (nice little bit on http://en.wikipedia.org/wik i/Blue_Dog_Coalition#Blue_D og_Democrats_vs_DLC )

I think a lot of the vitriol comes from the fact that in a time we're trying to change things, move in a more progressive direction, the Governer appoints a Blue Dog, a bunch of "Democrats" that do everything they can to undermine any progressive action on the Democratic side and roll over for every conservative proposal of the Republicans.

by callisto on 01/26/2009 03:41:09 PM EST

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The difference is wafer thin (none / 0)

Almost a po-tay-to, po-tah-to situation.

This is why I laughed when Ken suggested that Dems are a cohesive group...

by MedfordTim on 01/26/2009 07:52:19 PM EST

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Depends (none / 0)
"officially" it seems like that, but since Blue Dogs don't have a coherent position on some issues as a group, they have people that by any measure should be Republicans

as much as I dislike Harold Ford, I think that the Blue Dogs as a group hurt the Democratic Party more

people expect certain things from Democrats and when the Dems can't find a majority because of the Blue Dogs, it looks like the Dems are incompetent and wrong

by callisto on 01/26/2009 08:30:24 PM EST

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Nra (none / 0)
the nra Is there for all the hunters out there ,and
what will we hunt with' when we no longer have the right to own gun's.
 I do think gun laws need to be in place to protect us all. But if the nra stop's fighting for our right to keep and bear arm's , We will no longer have that right.

With out that right , they will in time slowly take away our gun's for hunting and selfdefence.

And that is not right, when you are being raped, or robbed at night, will you just sit around waiting for the cop's to stop it , Or try to stop it yourself right now .I will not wait to protect my family not 1 min

by tuna on 01/27/2009 07:04:24 AM EST

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Naive (none / 0)
>what will we hunt with' when we no longer have the >right to own gun's

jeezes, nobody is speaking about outlawing guns, also since when do you hunt with a hand gun?

> But if the nra stop's fighting for our right to keep >and bear arm's , We will no longer have that right

really, how come Canada and Europe, which have stricter gun laws and NO NRA, still have the right to own guns?

>I will not wait to protect my family not 1 min

there's what, 700% more chance that the gun in the house will kill one of your family members instead of a criminal

by callisto on 01/27/2009 07:38:34 AM EST

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way left (none / 0)
Thats what always come's from the far left , big # that are nothing more than a anti-gun lefty lie.
 Look at something besides the anti gun side, make up your mind.
Gun crime has come down from the past #s, I won't give you some big numbers that make's it look good , Just ck the past numbers with the numbers from 2008.

by tuna on 01/28/2009 06:54:14 AM EST

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way brainwashed (none / 0)
why didn't you answer the point about other countries doing fine with hunting without an NRA?

btw I guess you couldn't find the numbers? a quick link is too much?

by callisto on 01/28/2009 05:34:59 PM EST

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My distaste for her was exacerbated by... (none / 0)
a commercial she aired in Essex County, NY around the time that the FISA bill was pending. She pleaded, with alarm, that residents contact their congressmen to demand that they vote for immunity for the telecoms, for the safety of the nation. Sad to say that Obama voted this way as well, but he didn't ring the alarm bell, as she did. The ad reminded me of the "scary-voiced" warnings about Obama (tapping into the unrealistic fears of the less-informed.) Might I add that the most recent reports about the telecoms came on the same day that her consideration was announced. The irony...

by tifosies on 01/27/2009 06:46:01 AM EST

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I'm still waiting (none / 0)
for a mea culpa from that matthews guy. I'm not buying it.

by hazmat on 01/26/2009 03:38:49 PM EST

Hope we get it one day (none / 0)
look to me Matthews always seemed like a Democrat, eventhough he grew up in a Republican family. He is a typical DLC Democrat, with it's typical mixed bag of positions, liberal on some issues, conservative on others.
BUT he also soaks up a lot from his environment, I think Olbermann's influence is dragging him to the left at the moment.
Most of the time Matthews is on top of things, but then there's the 10% where he goes in an unbelievable naive mode and that's when we get angry with him :)

Maybe, it's also David Gregory that makes Chris Matthews look good at the moment :) Man, how BAD is David Gregory.

by callisto on 01/26/2009 03:54:02 PM EST

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agreed (none / 0)
Gregory is too busy kissing ass to do his job. This weekend's MTP was a good example. He was average with Larry Summers, and then he crawled so far up Boehner's ass I thought they were going to turn the set over to fox news. When Boehner made the snarky Alcatraz reference Gregory let it go as if it was normal.

by hazmat on 01/26/2009 05:12:23 PM EST

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MTP (none / 0)
great example, couldn't believe when the Alcatraz reference was made

seems, especially as a Republican, you can say anything on that show now, Gregory never seems to engage them

and the way he engages with Democrats is to throw Republican talking points at their heads, a lot of the times the talking points have been countered days earlier

MTP may have set the discussion for the week with Russell, but under Gregory it's become a round-up of Repuglican talking points

by callisto on 01/26/2009 06:54:01 PM EST

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alcatraz and boehner (none / 0)
it was like he was reading from an email Rush sent him. It was beneath the dignity of his office, frankly.

by hazmat on 01/26/2009 07:10:33 PM EST

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Is Gregory supposed to... (none / 0)
Serve the Kool Aid to his guests and expect them to regurgitate Obama talking points? Would that make you happy, Callisto? Watching MTP this week, I thought he let Summers off the hook really easy (no mention of the fact that Summers was part of the problem during the Clinton admin.) As for the "Boner", well, he's a "Boner" (no offense Andrew K). Nothing Gregory did to him would satisfy you libs short of him waterboarding "Boner" live on TV!!! That's what would make you say Gregory was an acceptable host! You Libs are so transparent! :)

by bobo1 on 01/27/2009 09:22:58 AM EST

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Gregory is supposed to be a journalist (none / 0)
he seems to be stuck in his White House Press briefing room modus, maybe it's hard for him to accept that he's been lied to for all these years.

>Serve the Kool Aid to his guests and expect them to >regurgitate Obama talking points?

hell no, I don't want him regurgitating any talking points, unless he looked into them and deemed them correct. Since, he took over, I have seen him use talking points that where prooved lies a couple of days earlier.
While most in the media caught on that the $75/hour autoworkers was BS, days after it broke in the major newspapers, he was still using it.

As for Obama, I don't trust him farther than I can throw him, he needs to proove something before he can built some credit with me. If his administration will not push for investigations into the (possible) crimes of the Bush administration, he'll be a failure as a democratic leader in not fighting for justice in a society of laws IMO.
>I thought he let Summers off the hook really easy (no >mention of the fact that Summers was part of the >problem during the Clinton admin

indeed, he should have brought that up, I wouldn't have had any problem with that. But for that question you need to know some background, I'm seriously starting to think that Gregory isn't on top of things, he doesn't seem to get anything more complicated than a one-liner.

by callisto on 01/27/2009 10:55:13 AM EST

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I'll give you... (none / 0)
The fact that Gregory is a putz, but I don't believe anyone (especially at NBC) can seriously be called objective or even a journalist at this point. They are about as disreputable as Fox is on the right at this point. They are all corporate driven media outlets, and they simply will not allow the "truth" of the matter to be distributed. I personally find that the "honeymoon" time is still in full force, and Obama is taking full advantage of the positive media coverage while covering up hid glaring inadequacies as a leader. :)

by bobo1 on 01/27/2009 11:17:16 AM EST

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One point I disagree with (none / 0)
>They are about as disreputable as Fox is on the right >at this point

no, the major difference is that Fox News gets caught on (really dumb) mistakes all the time, while MSNBC doesn't.
And as we have seen MSNBC corrects (some) mistakes, I've seen Olbermann and Maddow do mea culpas.

It's not so much the spin with Fox, we know where they come from, it's that they can't fact check the simplest things it seems (everytime they say "the first time in history that", you know you need to fact check, because they're pulling stuff out of their asses).

by callisto on 01/27/2009 11:32:13 AM EST

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They are both... (none / 0)
The poisonous fruit of the same tree. I don't see much difference in either of them. In fact, I find MSNBC more venomous toward Fox than otherwise... But, your point is taken and overall is still valid - David Gregory is a clueless putz who needs to do something about those Gregory Peck eyebrows, QUICK!!! :)

by bobo1 on 01/27/2009 11:43:41 AM EST

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