Conservatives Just Don't Get It


A friend sent me this email as an example of the "other side" of the economy which, evidently, conservatives believe is never taken into account. My suggested response follows...

The email:

To All My Valued Employees.

There have been some rumblings around the office about the future of this company, and more specifically, your jobs. As you know, the economy has changed for the worse and presents many challenges. However, the good news is this: The economy doesn't pose a threat to your job. What does threaten your job however, is the changing political landscape in this country.

However, let me tell you some little tidbits of fact which might help you decide what is in your best interests.

First, while it is easy to spew rhetoric that casts employers against employees, you have to understand that for every business owner there is a back story. This back story is often neglected and overshadowed by what you see and hear. Sure, you see me park my Mercedes outside. You've seen my big home at last years Christmas party. I'm sure; all these flashy icons of luxury conjure up some idealized thoughts about my life.

However, what you don't see is the back story.

I started this company 28 years ago. At that time, I lived in a 300 square foot studio apartment for 3 years. My entire living apartment was converted into an office so I could p ut forth 100% effort into building a company, which by the way, would eventually employ you.

My diet consisted of Ramen Pride noodles because every dollar I saved went back into this company. I drove a rusty Toyota Corolla with a defective transmission. I didn't have time to date. Often times, I stayed home on weekends, while my friends went out drinking and partying. In fact, I was married to my business -- hard work, discipline, and sacrifice.

Meanwhile, my friends got jobs. They worked 40 hours a week and made a modest $50K a year and spent every dime they earned. They drove flashy cars and lived in expensive homes and wore fancy designer clothes. Instead of hitting the Nordstrom's for th e latest hot fashion item, I was trolling through the Goodwill store extracting any clothing item that didn't look like it was birthed in the 50's. My friends refinanced their mortgages and lived a life of luxury. I, however, did not. I put my time, my money, and my life into a business with a vision that eventually, some day, I too, will be able to afford these luxuries my friends supposedly had.

So, while you physically arrive at the office at 9am, mentally check in at about noon, and then leave at 5pm, I don't. There is no "off" button for me. When you leave the office, you are done and you have a weekend all to yourself. I unfortunately do not have the freedom. I eat, and breathe this company every minute of the day. There is no rest. There is no weekend. There is no happy hour. Every day this business is attached to my hip like a 1 year old special-needs child. You, of course, only see the fruits of that garden -- the nice house, the Mercedes, the vacations... You never realize the back story and the sacrifices I've made.

Now, the economy is falling apart and I, the guy that made all the right decisions and saved his money, have to bail-out all the people who didn't. The people who overspent their paychecks suddenly feel entitled to the same luxuries that I earned and sacrificed a decade of my life for.

Yes, business ownership has is benefits but the price I've paid is steep and not without wounds.

Unfortunately, the cost of running this business, and employing you, is starting to eclipse the threshold of marginal benefit and let me tell you why:

I am being taxed to death and the government thinks I don't pay enough. I have state taxes, Federal taxes, Property taxes, Sales and use taxes, Payroll taxes, Workers compensation taxes, Unemployment taxes, Taxes on taxes. I have to hire a tax man to manage all these taxes and then guess what? I have to pay taxes for employing him. Government mandates and regulations and all the accounting that goes with it, now occupy most of my time.

On Oct 15th, I wrote a check to the US Treasury for $288,000 for quarterly taxes. You know what my "stimulus" check was? Zero. Nada. Zilch.

The question I have is this: Who is stimulating the economy? Me, the guy who has provided 14 people good paying jobs and serves over 2,200,000 people per year with a flourishing business? Or, the single mother sitting at home pregnant with her fourth child waiting for her next welfare check? Obviously, government feels the latter is the economic stimulus of this country. </SPAN>

The fact is, if I deducted (Read: Stole) 50% of your paycheck you'd quit and you wouldn't work here. I mean, why should you? That's nuts. Who wants to get rewarded only 50% of their hard work? Well, I agree which is why your job is in jeopardy.

Here is what many of you don't understand ... to stimulate the economy you need to stimulate what runs the economy. Had suddenly government mandated to me that I didn't need to pay taxes, guess what? Instead of depositing that $288,000 into the Washington black-hole, I would have spent it, h ired more employees, and generated substantial economic growth. My employees would have enjoyed the wealth of that tax cut in the form of promotions and better salaries. But you can forget it now.

When you have a comatose man on the verge of death, you don't defibrillate and shock his thumb thinking that will bring him back to life, do you? Or, do you defibrillate his heart? Business is at the heart of America and always has been. To restart it, you must stimulate it, not kill it.

Suddenly, the power brokers in Washington believe the poor of America are the essential drivers of the American economic engine. Nothing could be further from the truth and this is the type of change you can keep.

So where am I going with all this?

It's quite simple.

If any new taxes are levied on me, or my company, my reaction will be swift and simple. I fire you. I fire your co-workers. You can then plead with the government to pay for your mortgage, your SUV, and your child's future. Frankly, it isn't my problem any more.

Then, I will close this company down, move to another country, and retire. You see, I'm done. I'm done with a country that penalizes the productive and gives to the unproductive. My motivation to work and to provide jobs will be destroyed, and with it, will be my citizenship.

If you lose your job, it won't be at the hands of the economy; it will be at the hands of a political hurricane that swept through this country, steamrolled the constitution, and will have changed its landscape forever. If that happens, you can find me sitting on a beach, retired, and with no employees to worry about....

Signed,
Your boss


The suggested response:


To All My Valued Employers.

Thank you for your words explaining your life story and how you got where you are today. Yes, we have been "rumbling" about the future of this company because we are paid at existence level wages and if the company goes under, we will all be up the creek - but we will take comfort in knowing that you took the paddle with you. At least we'll know it's safe.

You'll be pleased to know that your Toyota Corolla is still serving even though you dumped it for the new Mercedes you get every year - you see, I drive it here to work every day. It's all I can afford, but it gets me here and back so that I may make the products you sell which enable your nice house and new car. Oh, and the transmission is still defective. Wish I could afford to get it fixed; it's a good, dependable car and with what YOU pay, I can't afford a newer one.

We appreciate that you acknowledge our sacrifices in life so that you might live more prosperously, even though you appear to have nothing but contempt for your employees with your implication that we don't actually do any work, all we do is show up and expect a paycheck. Yet, there is still product flowing out the door. Thank goodness for Magical Elves doing all the work, huh?

So, 28 years ago your friends were making a "modest" $50k per year at only 40 hours per week...are there any of those jobs still available? We ask because it would be a step up from the job we have with you that pays $28k for 40 hours. (And that's in TODAY'S economy.) Oh, and we stay at home weekends a lot, too. We would date more, but for some reason, the people we date don't appreciate a Big Mac dining experience the way folks used to. 

Now the economy is falling apart and you are asking the people who keep income flowing your way to sacrifice so you can still get your new car next year.

As you say, you have, "state taxes, Federal taxes, Property taxes, Sales and use taxes, Payroll taxes, Workers compensation taxes, Unemployment taxes, Taxes on taxes. I have to hire a tax man to manage all these taxes and then guess what? I have to pay taxes for employing him." Oddly, all of those items help your bottom line because you deduct them from YOUR taxes and take your depreciation allowance, interest deductions, and all those other expenses of running your business. I used to be able to deduct my mortgage interest, but since the interest rates rose faster than my pay, the foreclosure ended that. My landlord still gets HIS deduction, though, thank goodness!

You may want to check to see if your accountant is stealing from you because it's impossible for 14 of us to rack up $21,000 EACH in tax requirements during the last quarter. For someone who seems obsessed with their business, you are fairly oblivious to what's going on with your finances. Of the $288,000 you say you deposited, how much of it will you be getting back when you file you taxes and deduct every penny of it?

That single mother pregnant with her fourth child waiting for a welfare check? Well, she used to work here, but was fired when her babysitter got sick and your reaction was that it wasn't your problem. She's been trying ever since to get a job but when people see she was fired, they assume it was due to nefarious reasons. And thanks to the welfare reforms passed over a decade ago, she has a limited time to collect those safety net checks before she is cut loose to swim on her own or drown.

What color Mercedes are you going with this year, by the way?

Why was it when George Bush gave you the tax cuts you desired, instead of raising our wages or hiring new employees, you put that money in your pocket? Incredibly stimulating, wasn't it? What in the world would lead us to think that you would do anything differently if you receive another round of tax cuts? Would you start offering affordable health care? Didn't think so.

If you don't think the "poor" run our economic engine, try running a business WITHOUT them. Who do you think you are selling your product to? Who does the work which enables you to live the lifestyle you've become accustomed to? Yet you disrespect our contributions and accuse us of defrauding you because we have the nerve to want to be paid for our efforts. (You know, we are called THE WORKING CLASS for a REASON)

So, if you only make 3/4 of a million dollars instead of the full million, your motivation to work and to provide jobs will disappear and you will run off to another country, huh? And you expect us to blame the GOVERNMENT?

What a whiny, snivelling, greedy, inconsiderate coward you are! You make it clear that you DON'T give a damn about your employees and their worries were NEVER yours, yet you don't mind exploiting us for every penny you can gather.

So, close your company, move to another country, and retire. Spend the riches we have helped you to accumulate. Turn your back on your country - we'll be better off without you. We're at a time when everyone needs to pitch in together to fix the problems the "Free Market" has caused and if you would rather cry in your Dom about how abused YOU are because you can only have steak four times a week instead of five, don't let America's door hit you in the ass on your way out...

Putz.

Signed,

The hard working employees who keep your company going
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Reading this post took more out of me than a whole weekend eating 100% bran.

by eallgaier on 01/27/2009 01:46:49 PM EST

Love this post.  When reading the employer's letter, I was feeling kind of bad.  Yeah, he did work hard!  Good for him!  Why is he being taxed that much?

Then I was delighted to read the employees' letter.  Their numbers for taxes made much more sense, and shook that guy to wake up.  The rich just don't get how low our wages have become.  And I certainly didn't see any raises with the Bush tax cuts.  It went in their pockets.

We do all have to come together.  It's not right to expect everyone to start their own businesses, because you need folks who work for companies to get things done!  There is no logical need for the CEO's of a company to earn 400% MORE than the workers on the floor (and those are numbers from 6+ years ago).  No way in hell they "deserve" that much more money.  And when you consider how much more the very rich make (1% of the country earns 50% of the total income, or thereabouts) I'm not sad they pay more in taxes (before generous deductions).  They have so much more to begin with!

Trickle down economics doesn't make those getting trickled on wealthy.  It helps them to just get along.  Yes, spread the damn wealth around!  And make gov't work for everyone, not just the wealthy.

by yul2las on 01/27/2009 02:01:50 PM EST

But Tim, how are we to keep this economy fueled under this profit driven system without providing business owners incentive to stay in business? Jobs and wealth do not come out of thin air, or with the wave of a magic wand. If people want nice things and livable wages, then businesses are going to have to reduce profits. If businesses lower their profits (as many businesses run now), then why should they stay in business at all? What is their motivation, if not for profit enough to live "the good life"? This is the conundrum of Capitalism - for few to do good, most will suffer. Not everyone can be successful - that's not how capitalism works!

by bobo1 on 01/27/2009 02:04:15 PM EST


Well, Bo, it seems that a quick glance at history shows that people provide their own incentives. Has there ever been a period where people just stopped producing, no matter how onerous taxes became?

Are you willing to concede that this country has never been a completely Capitalistic country? Same as pure Communism, the ideal of "Capitalism" has never been tried. Someone, somewhere, always depends on Government - whether it is a current Social Security Disability recipient or Stanford and Crocker getting railroad right of way grants in the 1800's. Look at all the giants of Capitalism these days rushing hat in hand to get in line for a piece of largesse - so they can buy a new private jet....

I know it's shocking, but there are people out there who work because they love what they do. Profit can come in a variety of forms - cash is a GOOD one, I grant you - and there are many millions of people who live fulfilled lives while not storing so many nuts in their cheeks that their faces explode.

What you say in the last two sentences has more than a grain of truth to it - which is exactly why Capitalism eventually implodes.

I'll say it again for the new folks reading this - I know we've talked about it before - There Needs To Be BALANCE. FAIR trade, not unfettered FREE trade.

Look at us! Two posts without a single insult!

by MedfordTim on 01/27/2009 02:33:43 PM EST

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I was totally confused by Meford's original post because I had sympathy with most of what was said in both letters, and I didn't get what the point was. Now I understand. The point is to hear both sides or all sides and find a balance. Medford has become a true Obamaniac or whatever we call it these days.

Back to the letters, the employer had me until he started bitching about taxes, and the employee had to win me over which was difficult with all his sarcastic whining.

David

by yturks on 01/27/2009 02:53:32 PM EST

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of the 18% that still support Cheney, a very small side of this multifaceted nation.

by gatekeeper50 on 01/28/2009 08:24:38 AM EST

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closer to pure capitalism at least, with massive deregulation.

Anyone care to guess how Iceland is doing at the moment?

PS---Tim, I'm going to repost this at DU if that's ok.

by Tom Hanc on 01/27/2009 03:36:46 PM EST

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Dave saw more whining in the "response" than in the original so I am in a state of confusion. I always thought it was the one who said "if you aren't going to play by MY rules, I'm taking my bat and going home" who was the whiny one...I have to process this further...

Hell, I don't care. Just make sure to note that the "boss" one is an email circulating among conservatives and the "employee" is purely a composite character, not a real person (either).

by MedfordTim on 01/27/2009 04:33:20 PM EST

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I already posted it, and it's blowing up. I expect it to be featured on the homepage within a few hours, if not sooner (based on the number or recommendations).

by Tom Hanc on 01/27/2009 04:41:19 PM EST

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I have to admit, the response felt good, even if it does come from a bunch of Dirty Fucking Hippies!

;-)

by MedfordTim on 01/27/2009 06:12:36 PM EST

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link to this post at DU?  I'm really interested in seeing what those dirty fucking hippies have to say about it.

by Spencer on 01/27/2009 06:18:59 PM EST

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But seriously, here is the link.

It's actually featured on the homepage at the moment. It's the #2 most recommended thread and rising. The only annoying thing my title and intro didn't seem to clearly explain to everyone that this was a MASS email.

Some people think it was an actual email sent to Tim and that he responded directly rather than theoretically. But again, I never intended it to be interpreted as such, and I *thought* I had made that clear.

by Tom Hanc on 01/27/2009 07:55:10 PM EST

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Get it right - Its "Little hippie cockroach dirty faggots!!!" Or something like that! - Anyway, I'm glad to see Tims post get such good response here and at DU. It is a worthy subject for everyone to talk about! :)

by bobo1 on 01/27/2009 09:14:55 PM EST

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That the US is not a purely capitalistic venture, and that throughout our history the institution of the "government" has been used to forward (or recess) the economy in multiple ways. I will even concede the fact that many Americans (myself included) do what they do because they genuinely enjoy what they do. - What my question to you is this: Why would businesses want to stay open if they are not making a profit? Why would small business owners be interested in starting or continuing a business if they aren't free to make and spend as much money as THEY choose? If we allow the government to continue to prop up this flawed system, then we have no one to blame but ourselves when it falls apart completely! :)

by bobo1 on 01/27/2009 04:49:28 PM EST

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If a business is losing money by definition they do not pay taxes.  Also, if they are losing money the market will eventually put them out of business whether they want to or not.  Businesses& nbsp;ARE free to make as much money as they can, they just have to pay reasonable taxes ON THE PROFITS.  Actually if individual taxes worked like business taxes then we wouldn't have to pay taxes on our house, food, healthcare, transportation or any other necessities and would only have to pay on the money we make over and above that was left for non essential purchase like luxuries and entertainment.  To put it in more economic terms, labor has a maintainance cost (life essentials) and only the profit, net of maintainance, should really be taxed. 

by alphasigmookie on 01/28/2009 03:33:59 AM EST

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Businesses pay taxes REGARDLESS of their actual profits - Payroll, work comp, environmental, property - the government doesn't give a shit if you make a profit or not - they still want and take their outrageous share! God forbid that your business makes a profit, because then they (the government) are gonna really ASS RAPE you on things like Capital Gains and dividend taxes. God forbid you do well here! Its becoming a crime to be successful in this country! My thought on this is this: Why would anyone be willing or crazy enough to invest their hard earned capital to start a business in such an anti business climate? How does Obama expect to stimulate or jump start this economy to CREATE JOBS if he does not address the very issue that kills job creation? If we are going to become socialists, then we need to continue the ridiculous takeover of every major industry. If we are going to remain a freedom loving capitalist pig soceity, then God Dammit let business flow freely without all of these BS restrictions and burdensome taxes. We simply cannot have it both ways - there is no balance when it comes to economics and money, that's not the way the system has been set up! :)

by bobo1 on 01/28/2009 06:06:18 AM EST

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we should also get rid of all those burdensome police, fire, roads and other infrastucture.  I mean if a buisness wants to ship goods they should just build a road to where ever they want to sent them and hire private security to guard to protect from bandits.  We also don't need education because if a business wants competent workers they should just take them from their parents are age 4 and educate them for 14 years before putting them to work.  I'm sure business would be great in this mythical no tax free market utopia.

by alphasigmookie on 01/28/2009 12:50:44 PM EST

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Mooks, I am not some total anarchist anti tax guy. I understand that taxes pay for essential services like education, police fire etc and I accept that responsibility as a citizen...

What I am opposed to is the oppressive regulation and burdensome taxes that only serve one purpose - to punish good business and success. Some examples:

Environemental Taxes: talk about a Madoff size Ponzi scheme - Yes environmental regulation has helped in  some ways, but in many others they are simply outrageaous in their demands on business foreign and domestic - Al Gore and company want to squeeze out capitialism in this country by "saving the Earth" give me a break!

Capital gains - Need I say more? 1/2 of all potential businesses in this country never come to fruition out of fear of capital gains. The reason we are in a lot of the mess economically is that banks and lenders manipulated the system by shieldi ng themselves from cap gains and look at the result - the government loses out on revenue and the economy collapses!

Payroll tax - Get rid of it NOW!!!!!

What is the solution? I really dont know. Flat tax? Consumtion tax? Kill all the rich and take all their shit Tax?

Any thoughts, Mooks?

:)

by bobo1 on 01/28/2009 02:22:03 PM EST

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Make payroll taxes a flat tax rather than a capped tax (or more reasonably, increase the cap to higher than 93k or whatever it is).

Then increase the top marginal tax rates as they're too damn low. And or simply close the tax loopholes used by the rich, increasing the effective tax rate.

The End

by Tom Hanc on 01/28/2009 02:45:50 PM EST

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I'll agree with you on closing loopholes and a flat payroll tax, but if you raise the marginal rates back up to pre reagan numbers (70-90%), then you will actively kill the economy for another 50 years.
 
The rich will simply pick up and leave to St Kitts or Barbados, taking their Billions with them. What will our economy do then?

The rich and the senate will never allow that to happen!

:)

by bobo1 on 01/28/2009 02:55:33 PM EST

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Of course we can't increase the top marginal rates to those levels because during that time period the income bracket at which the top marginal rate kicked in was much higher (in today's dollars).

It used to be that the top marginal tax rate of 91% didn't kick in until someone made (in today's dollars) over 3 million dollars. So every dollar made AFTER the first 3 million (which was taxed at a much lower rate obviously) was taxed at 91%.

Obviously we can't be taxing 91% at the first million (or whatever) because we don't want to discourage business, etc. But if we raise the brackets I'm all for going back to much higher top marginal rates, even if it's not 70%.

Besides, high top marginal rates encourage business owners to invest back into their business instead of taking the money out (higher personal income tax rate relative to the corporate rate=investment back into business).

by Tom Hanc on 01/28/2009 03:12:53 PM EST

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Environmental taxes- they can make businesses MORE EFFICIENT, especially when they are implemented in a market format (SOx market).  Lets not be fool ourselves...when you make a mess its your responsibility to clean it up or pay for the consequences.  It is a very simple rights issue (same as your right to swing your fist ends at my nose) 

Capital gains - these taxes are far lower than income tax.  Why should I be able to sit on my ass and earn millions and only pay 15% and no SS or medicare taxes by investing in the stock market, but If I work and earn money through my productive labor I pay up to 37% + another 8% in SS + medicare.  How is that fair in any way shape or form. 

Also, the argument that people will not invest if there are higher capital gains taxes is bunk!  How many millionares are going to sit their money under their mattress rather than finding the highest return regardless of how much tax they have to pay?  25% or even 50% of a 10% return as far better than your capital atropheing from inflation.    ;

One possible way to view our current mess was that TOO MUCH capital was chasing too few productive assets.  This excess capital was put into non-productive purposes such as inflating bubbles which eventually resulted in the desintegration of that capital.  If more of this capital had been diverted to taxes then it could have possibly been allocated to productive purposes such as maintaining infrastructure or lowering income taxes it could increase disposible income of the consumer and economic growth (increasing the amount of productive capital).

Payroll taxes- I'm not exactly sure what you mean by payroll taxes, but I'm assuming you're meaning social security, medicare and unemployment.  We can argue about the usefulness and effectivness of these programs and we might not be far off.  I am convinced that my generation is getting screwed by these programs, but there are also too many people dependent upon them to instantly eliminate them as well.  The problems with the big 3 being saddled by their pension systems and the millions of 401ks that just took a 50% haircut seems to indicate that the private sector isnt' much better than the government at delivering these same services however. 

by alphasigmookie on 01/28/2009 05:28:29 PM EST

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In an earlier post, Bobo said that the random hyphens in his comments are his way of compensating for his Blackberry's inability to make paragraph breaks. So I, being the charitable fellow that I am, have undertaken the task of using my fancy-shmancy computer (with a return key and everything!) to present Bobo's comments as he truly intended them: With a paragraph break in place of each hyphen he used. What am I, the nicest guy? Here's Bobo's post, for real:

Businesses pay taxes REGARDLESS of their actual profits

Payroll, work comp, environmental, property

the government doesn't give a shit if you make a profit or not

they still want and take their outrageous share! God forbid that your business makes a profit, because then they (the government) are gonna really ASS RAPE you on things like Capital Gains and dividend taxes. God forbid you do well here! Its becoming a crime to be successful in this country! My thought on this is this: Why would anyone be willing or crazy enough to invest their hard earned capital to start a business in such an anti business climate? How does Obama expect to stimulate or jump start this economy to CREATE JOBS if he does not address the very issue that kills job creation? If we are going to become socialists, then we need to continue the ridiculous takeover of every major industry. If we are going to remain a freedom loving capitalist pig soceity, then God Dammit let business flow freely without all of these BS restrictions and burdensome taxes. We simply cannot have it both ways

there is no balance when it comes to economics and money, that's not the way the system has been set up! :)

Wow, that Blackberry really is holding him back. Look at how much better it is now!

by OneHitKill on 01/28/2009 06:36:45 AM EST

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Now if only you would use that fancy keyboard to research how I can make paragraphs in this damn forum, perhaps I could become an all knowing Language Guru too! BTW, if you are going to help me next time, go ahead and capitalize and indent as well! Don't you teach that to your students? :)

by bobo1 on 01/28/2009 07:00:09 AM EST

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use that fancy keyboard to research how I can make paragraphs in this damn forum

Turn off the WYSIWYG editor and use HTML tags. You can turn off WYSIWYG in the Interface section of "My Preferences."

perhaps I could become an all knowing Language Guru too!

Oh, I don't know about that. You've thrown around so many unnecessary hyphens, yet you just passed up the chance to actually use a hyphen correctly in the adjective "all-knowing."

by OneHitKill on 01/28/2009 11:52:01 AM EST

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First of all, if your business isn't profitable you may still pay basic taxes but these are very limited and guess what? The government isn't responsible for making your business successful.

"It's a crime to be successful in this country"? Really? With the lowest tax rates in the developed world and the most pro-business and pro-wealth policies around, even if Obama's tax hike gets implemented?

Also you seem to think taxes are some sort of punishment. Your business I suppose doesn't want to contribute to the postal service, roads, police and firedepartments, the list goes on. Taxes are not a punishment. They are the price you pay for the privilege of living in one of the best developed, safest countries in the world with one of the highest standards of living.

Finally this idea that (democratic) socialism is bad for business is just laughable. Some of the most solid economies in the world are quite socalist. In fact you could argue given recent events they are a lot more stable than the US economy. You seem to be living under the delusion that socialism means the state has to control every detail of every business.

by marsvin on 01/28/2009 07:21:40 AM EST

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"This is the conundrum of Capitalism - for few to do good, most will suffer. Not everyone can be successful - that's not how capitalism works!"

Which is why it's a good thing we've never really had "true capitalism" in this country.

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 01/27/2009 03:06:37 PM EST

I've bookmarked it for printing once this e-mail is inevitably put on my desk by my boss (and it will be, since he gives me copies of his conservative chain e-mails all the time).

Thanks for the ammo.

On high taxes and hiring people; businesses don't just hire people because they have money lying around.  They hire people because the work they can get out of them costs less than the revenue that their work can bring in.  So giving them more money (cutting their taxes) has almost nothing to do with how many people they'll hire. It's such a moronic point.

On a broader note, I hate how conservatives have managed to deify the rich in this country.  Why are Americans now so eager to blame people who have less than them (welfare recipients, illegals, etc.)?   It wasn't always like this.  I blame Reagan.

by Spencer on 01/27/2009 05:06:44 PM EST

Somehow the Republicans became the party that roots for Rocky to lose to Ivan Drago, and for Lil' Mac to get knocked out by Tyson.

They actively push for the Goliaths of the world to crush the Davids, and then they convince the masses that the Davids were to blame.

It's truly astounding.

by Tom Hanc on 01/27/2009 05:19:14 PM EST

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At the rate they are going the GOP will have zero representation in Congress by 2010 so it's kind of a moot point. Maybe whatever party arises from their ashes will actually care about the welfare of the nation.

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 01/27/2009 06:05:46 PM EST

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