Canada's Obama problem

I hate to say this, but some Canadians are missing George Bush right about now.

 

You might ask, why would we miss a fake cowboy, detainee torturing, war monger? The short answer is liberal economics and protectionism.  It is called the “Buy American” clause that some say is in violation of NAFTA.  According to digital journal.com:

 

One of the measures in President Barack Obama's stimulus package includes the controversial "Buy American" clause that would require all iron and steel used in infrastructure projects funded by the over $800 billion in stimulus monies be "Made in America".

Both major Canadian political parties, Liberal and Conservative, are in uproar about this.  Our Prime Minister Stephen Harper was quoted as saying “I know that countries around the world are expressing grave concern about some of these measures that go against, not just the obligations of the United States but, frankly, the spirit of our G20 discussions,”

 

I never hear TYT (or anyone really in the US) talk about US Canada relations.  But in Canada that relationship is very important to us.   Even hinting at protectionism gets our Conservative government and our Liberal opposition using their most frightening rhetoric and waking up the spirit of the great depression.  For it was, as I am often reminded, trade wars that started the great depression, was it not? 

 

In any case, regardless of the causes of the depression, I believe strongly that this is not the right direction for Obama to be starting off his Canada relations.  I worry, is this going to start a trade war?  The whole thing has us Canadians shaking in our toques. 

 

There are others that are worried about a trade war.  A major coalition of industries including Boeing, Caterpillar and General Electric and the US Chamber of Commerce, the National Foreign Trade Council and the Aerospace Industries’ Association all joined together last week and wrote a letter to Speaker of the House, Democrat Nancy Pelosi, expressing their concerns:

 

If the United States further restricts access to our market [that is overseas consumers], these other countries will certainly follow our lead, shutting US exporters and their workers out of hundreds of billions of dollars of new business, while propping up their own national champions, to the detriment of the United States.

One issue we urge you to bear in mind as you prepare this legislation is the vitally important role that international markets play in sustaining US jobs and the role they will play in economic recovery. Without sales abroad and access to inputs, many US workers would be out of a job.

 

Cenk never talks about Canada.  I want to ask him “How does he feel about protectionism and this part of the bail out plan?”  “How does he feel about Canada US relations under Obama?”  How do you bloggers and TYT fans feel about it?

 

I like a lot of what Obama has done so far.  Many here agree with his closing Guantanamo and reaching out to the Middle East.  But we are worried about Obama’s stance on NAFTA.  Most of us here like NAFTA.  In these tough economic times your government (Obama and the rest included) should consider the implications of starting a trade war with your closest trading partner.  I am not saying you already have – I am just saying you are talking a little too loud about it.  This has the potential to seriously harm our economy and yours in already difficult times. 

 

For more information here is the CBC story:

 

http://www.cbc.ca/world/sto ry/2009/01/29/buy-american. html

 

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by Chinese Democracy on 01/30/2009 01:49:49 PM EST

We need to pay people in our country for goods and services produced in this country. The idea is to put money in the pockets of Americans so we can get the largest economy in the world up and running again. Canada is the United States' largest trading partner so it's unfair to say that are somehow neglecting Canada.

by gotchange on 01/30/2009 06:14:23 PM EST

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I am not saying that you have been neglecting us.  Recently we have had good relations.  We want to see that continue.  Putting this stuff that clearly violates NAFTA, an international agreement that we both ratified, into the bail out plan is threatening to our relationship.

 

This is a mutal contract between two independent bodies. It is clear that you have the more clout in the arragenment - you are the bigger country.  But we have some things (water, oil, other goods) that you might need in the future and we don't want a trade war. 

 Look, lets be real here - the USA is in a better position than Canada.  You could pass your "Buy American" part of the bill and we can't do a thing about it.  It makes sense to want to give priority to things produced in the United States.  All I am saying is that poking Canada in the eye on this one isn't going to get us anywhere.

The United States has a stake in Canada being a healthy economy.  We buy many of your exports and supply you with many products.  But I can empathise with you.  I am open minded person, there are many here who will race to erect more trade barriers.  The same is true in Europe.  Plus, many economists tout the benifits of free trade and are anti-protectionism.  Is protectionism really where you want to go?

by Xarxesb on 01/30/2009 08:15:04 PM EST

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and needs to be renegotiated.  We DO have to look out for ourselves first, just like you guys do.  It sucks, but it's a hard reality of the current economic climate.

by jarett on 01/31/2009 12:06:50 PM EST

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but I think Canada is off base with their complaints about targeted infrastructure spending.  Sounds more to me like sour grapes at not being allowed to eat part of the $819 billion pie.  Yet inquiring minds want to know: Is there no other area in which Canadian steel can be put to use?  In other words, how does such an act violate NAFTA when there are no limitations that would prevent Canadian businesses from, say, supplying steel for every other type of venture?  Unless of course, Canadians are assuming that nothing BUT infrastructure will be built in the coming years.  Like I said, I may not get it.  Feel free to educate me further.  It just seems to me that the "Buy American" act could actually give industries like Canadian steel more of an opportunity to impact the U.S. market, especially if U.S. steel gets hogged by infrastructure needs. 

by LeolasOldest on 01/31/2009 02:23:44 PM EST

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An interesting comment....if the infrastructure construction in the bailout is big enough to hog all American steel that would open other people who need steel to the Canadian market.

 BTW that George Bush comment was just to get attention.  We don't miss him at all!

 

 

by Xarxesb on 01/31/2009 02:47:43 PM EST

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Thanks Ken - I wrote on Friday, since then it seems that more and more leaders are up in arms about it.  Obama's team are starting to come around - I hope!

by Xarxesb on 02/03/2009 09:33:39 AM EST

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Up here in Canada both the Liberals and the Conservatives are in favor of free trade - only the socialists are against it.  I am a liberal but I believe in the benefits of free trade.  I don't (at the very least) want to ditch NAFTA at the first sign of trouble.  Thankfully, Obama is starting to change his mind.  Still, it would be nice to hear Cenk talk about Canada even once!

 

 

by Xarxesb on 02/06/2009 09:57:18 PM EST

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