TVNewser Poll on MSNBC Slot

TVNewser has a poll up about who should get the MSNBC slot at 10PM. We're not on the list, which, of course, is unacceptable.

So, we're asking for your help in fixing this travesty by doing two things. One, leave a comment on this post on their site saying TYT should get the slot. Here is their post and poll:

http://www.mediabistro.com/ tvnewser/msnbc/msnbc_lookin g_to_add_new_10pmet_show_10 6545.asp

And then send an e-mail to TVNewser asking them to add us to the poll. Here is their e-mail address:

tvnewser@mediabistro.com

Thanks!

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Let's go people!... I only saw a few comments promoting TYT... 

by Haymaker on 01/30/2009 03:52:57 PM EST

Lets make this sh* happen. Comment and email sent. Lets go people, move it!!!

by law3dog on 01/30/2009 03:59:28 PM EST

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Hi All -

I've just written Newser, MSNBC and XM/Sirius to voice my support for The Young Turks.  Writing on behalf of a program  was a first for me, but I love TYT and want Cenk and the gang to have more coverage. 

It only took a moment and in numbers our voices will be noted. I appreciate having the opportunity to express my support for this amazingly valuable and entertaining show.


by petitveritas on 01/30/2009 10:40:11 PM EST

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What is the plan of action?

Someone here should start a better TvNews site.

I know they don't want a ton of phone calls or snail mail.

by diglass on 01/31/2009 07:22:52 PM EST

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I love these calls to action. 

You have a small, though fiercely loyal, army here on your site (let alone YouTube), so don't be afraid to unleash us more.

by Spencer on 01/30/2009 04:23:43 PM EST

I'm not trying to be a Debbie Downer, but I couldn't help but notice that TYT getting taken off of XM happened right after you announced your "candidacy" for the MSNBC slot, Cenk.

Now, that's definitely something which makes sense for you to be aspiring to, but maybe XM didn't appreciate how anxious you seemingly were to put them in the background, not suggesting that you couldn't still do a radio show and an MSNBC show, but maybe, just maybe, XM didn't like how hard you were jonesing for a spot on another network, and maybe, just maybe, that contributed to their decision to discontinue the daily installments of TYT.

Just something to consider....

by evul1 on 01/30/2009 04:43:30 PM EST

It wouldn't have happened that fast.

TYT have almost certainly known about the developments with XM for weeks.

by jarett on 01/30/2009 04:49:59 PM EST

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done

 

 

 

 

and

 

 

 

done

by diglass on 01/30/2009 05:04:59 PM EST

DONE!
Lets get Cenk and the TYT into that time slot!

by DrT on 01/30/2009 05:18:33 PM EST

We need a big fat guy to combat Rush Limbaugh, sorry Cenk

by Perry on 01/30/2009 06:27:36 PM EST

Left a comment & sent an email...

by amoergosum on 01/30/2009 06:57:38 PM EST

... whatever you need, turks:=) Email sent.

by Earla on 01/30/2009 08:09:52 PM EST

TvNewswer posted a half-mocking update regarding TYT (apparently they didn't realize that Cenk's phrasing was meant to be taken with a wink):

Update: This blog post on radio show "The Young Turks" Website asks their listeners to email us and express their displeasure over the "travesty" of their exclusion from the 10pm host poll. We've been getting the emails — we'll keep you in mind in the future.

by ihavenobias on 01/30/2009 08:48:51 PM EST

the update was posted on a TVnewser post about the possibility of Dan Rather on MSNBC.

by ihavenobias on 01/30/2009 08:57:11 PM EST

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I don't know what Cenk is thinking. He's not even on their radar. He's an up and comer, and he thinks he's ready for the prime time title. He's not polished, and they don't like boat rockers. I'm for Donahue, or Michael Moore would be good, if he's not busy making movies. They are household names.

by Cricketmite on 01/30/2009 09:40:11 PM EST

Let's go with another old white guy. That will really motivate all of the those young and minority voters that turned out this last election!

Oh wait...nevermind.

Here's Donahue in studio with Cenk

Here's Rachel Maddow with Cenk

Here's Cenk on CNN-HN defending Gen. Wesley Clark

by ihavenobias on 01/30/2009 09:52:40 PM EST

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I guess reason doesn't compare to kneejerk reactions. It's not just what the guy says, it's how he says it, in a calm and measured and authoritative way. Basically a talk show is a trick. A way of mobilizing support. Why else would we even be talking about a tool like Rush, as if he is relevant. He is relevant because he can talk up a storm and fill airspace. Donahue would be a response to that tactic.

by Cricketmite on 01/30/2009 10:13:57 PM EST

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You originally said that Michael Moore was "polished" and I let it slide. Really? Polished?

Did you see him on MTB with Cenk?

He's interesting, but I'm not sure that "polished" is the word I'd use to describe him.

Besides which, many of the highest rated TV talk show hosts do anything BUT talk in a controlled manner. Many viewers get bored with monotone and or excessively controlled manners. That's probably why PBS gets the ratings that it does.

By contrast, Cenk's irreverent style is unique and interesting, and again, it appeals to a younger demographic which is critical for advertisers and ratings.

PS---Cenk has the ability to be plenty calm, like when he interviewed this crazy neocon who thinks Obama would be a fool to investigate and prosecute anyone for Bush Administration crimes. He also showed he can more than handle his own against other pundits with his appearances on CNN-HN.

by ihavenobias on 01/30/2009 10:25:41 PM EST

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I didn't say Cenk should not get this job. I said he would not get this job. There is a difference. As a gambling man, I would bet.. the bank.

by Cricketmite on 01/30/2009 10:32:23 PM EST

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But my point is that although he's not a bullshit conventional wisdom pick, he's actually the best pick if the goal is to pick someone interesting and unique that will get ratings from otherwise untapped demographics.

by ihavenobias on 01/30/2009 10:38:48 PM EST

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hm.. if I was this interviewer, I would gently ask, hey whats up man? You seem kind of down.
What is it, I wonder? Has Moore hit the bottle because of stress or something?

by Cricketmite on 01/30/2009 10:51:32 PM EST

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but he looked homeless.

by ihavenobias on 01/30/2009 10:58:56 PM EST

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The rulers that be for GE, hate Moore and Donahue, well progressives in general. Donahue was already fired once despite great ratings. If you have seen him lately, he has pretty much lost it. As far as Moore goes, face for radio should cover it. The I-Man has a better shot at it than those two.  

Oberman was an accident which led to Rachel. If your remember some of the other disasters in the evening time slots….. But she is willing to play the sensationalism game, and so was Keith. Notice that he still stays away from hard economics, not to mention the hard core supply siders everywhere else in there programing.

Even Jim Kramer had to walk away from his show with Larry Kudlow because he literally refused to read the talking point memos from the VP’s office. But CNBC is another story.

I would take Cenk and the gang over every single show that NBC has. He is Jimmy Kimmel with a law degree and work ethic. What more could you ask for? David Gregory, please? What a fucking patzi. I can’t believe they gave him his own evening show let alone Meet the Press.

by sisco66 on 01/31/2009 07:37:30 AM EST

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I don't get the one part you said that Donahue has "lost it." He just came out with a documentary about wounded vets. I just saw him in an interview, dated This year. He looked as good as ever.

This disagreement isn't about race or politics. It's about age. Kids don't want to listen to old folgies, i.e. grandfathers, reminding them of their enventual decline. Too bad. Old folks watch tv. That makes them a valuable demographic. Ever heard of 60 minutes. If you haven't, it's a show on CBS that old people watch to stay informed.

He was fired from MSNBC 2002 because of his anti war stance, there is proof of this. If he was rehired it would be an act of reconciliation with their viewers who are sick of war. It would be good for business.

Think about this from Cenk's perspective. I saw him interview D and they got along fine. If Cenk backed Donahue, he would have his foot in the MSNBC door. And as Everyone likes to point out, he wont be around forever.

by Cricketmite on 01/31/2009 02:18:47 PM EST

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Yes, I am aware of all of the above, that is why I mentioned it. I also saw a couple of those interviews with Donhue, he has lost his edge, as in not 100% sharp anymore.  It was not intended as an insult. Sorry for any confusion.

GE, a defense contractor, owns MSNBC, NBC and CNBC. They fired the I-man for making a joke, public verison. The truth is they fired him for going after big pharma, the war and calling the VP a war criminal. I doubt very much that they would bring back Phil so he can thump his chest.

Speaking of 60 minutes,  would rather see Dan that Phil, if I had to choose. 60 Minutes has not been the same since he left.

Also, did you see the show on oil speculation, Enron and the fail of AIG and Lehman? That is something no one is picking up on, the extent of the Enron style traidng.

by sisco66 on 01/31/2009 02:45:02 PM EST

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If you're saying MSNBC is prejudiced against Phil and the Dems in general, that would stand to reason against Cenks chances. You don't seem to realize that Dems are more popular now, then in Bush's heyday. Cenk has every right to announce his candidacy and good for him. But all he is really saying to MSNBC is that he exists, he is here. Mission Accomplished, now Back Phil.

If you're referring to Dan Rather, I thought he was on the short lived 60 min 2. Whatever.

Imus? whatever, is this a conspiracy theory? It doesn't hold water. Al Sharpton used I-man's terrible gaff to oppose him on the grounds of bigotry. His campaign was successful, there was public outrcy reported on the front pages, and MSNBC along with his radio hoster, caved in, and kicked him off. Imus apoligized sincerely, and now he's on satellite making big money again. I know what I saw.

These value judgements are becoming more and more irrelivent. Phil is a guy. He can talk to left and right. His is lefty. He is a great talker. He is gifted like Larry King is gifted in that he can talk to anybody. People trust him.

Maybe people want to back Cenk, so that when he fails they can lament the corporate crumbs who won't acknowledge him/us.

by Cricketmite on 01/31/2009 04:14:14 PM EST

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I will spare you the big Al's ties to Fox and his dates with the known racist and sexists Bill’o the clown.  He is nothing more than a con man.  That whole thing was a circus. There is always more than one reason something happens.

You are aware that Imus and his wife led a big campaign against big pharma over lead in vaccinations and down syndrome ? You do know who buys all the advertising? Well, besides the oil companies. So now we are on the same page?  Why would Phil getting fired be any different than Imus? He called the war a disaster as well, and the VP a war criminal.

The original point was that Phil did not part ways with NBC in good terms, for the reason we both mentioned. So I doubt he is coming back. I would not hate if he did.  It would certainly be better than Tucker or Pat Buchanan.

Maybe I should have said CBS on Dan. But 60 minutes has been pretty weak since they got plucked by Rove and the Bush service scam. That story I referred you to should have made a national tidal wave, but they downplayed the most important part.  Even the one they did on the RGD was weak.


Listen I am all for any progressive shows getting more air time. The problem is that the fuckers who own these companies are so caught up in their own greed and ideology they would sooner go under before they give in. But as you said, we are making progress. I would be happy to be wrong.




by sisco66 on 01/31/2009 04:57:02 PM EST

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If this big bad company is like you say, there is no dealing with them. Let's give up. Or maybe you are just confused in your contempt for presumed villainy. The center= Bad. The right= Extra Bad. You ever feel like you're being played?

Sharpton meant what he said. The protesters meant what they said. If MSNBC kept Imus they would have lost...what?... anybody, anybody,.. MONEY.

It's not just greed, it's Commerce. Now that the economy is in the tank people can see how important trade is. The TV channel is selling space for adverts. That's all it is. But there is also space for discussion and entertainment. On top of that there is competition from the Web, which is This. You act like this is personal against your kind. It's business. Phil can trade in ideas for the left. Period.

by Cricketmite on 01/31/2009 05:26:23 PM EST

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So I think that since this choice of a TV host applies to commerce, then it's not like choosing a best man at a wedding. A company needs something for something. Quid pro quo. Trade. What MSNBC would get is a way to court the anti-war left, who are now prevalent in the nation, and making amends for basically being in favor of the invasion in the first place, as many were at that time.

by Cricketmite on 01/31/2009 05:44:28 PM EST

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I pray that you are right.

by sisco66 on 01/31/2009 10:19:04 PM EST

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Everyone would have been fine with the suspension and the apology. They were looking for a reason to get rid of him just like Phil. As you noted, Phil had great ratings and they got rid of him anyway. No conspiracy. But I guess you think there where WMD? Put it this way, if had not already pissed everyone off, I doubt he would have lost his job, given the commerace and all.

So where the was Big Al after "hey mf'r where’s my ice tea"? or after the Magic Negro? Where was the staged outrage by the media then? Zippo.  He was on Fox's payroll, but ended up doing MSNBC a favor.

That is the power of the media. That is why we still have a large segment that think Iraq attacked us on 911. Do you?

Do you ever watch CNBC, and Larry Kudlow, yep the one that got his talking points from Rove and the VP. Ask Jim Cramer about it.

So much for an intelligent discussion. I guess you did not realize that Moore hates NBC as well?

by sisco66 on 01/31/2009 10:16:46 PM EST

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I don't know who Big Al is. You mentioned "The Magic Negro." I think that's referring to Rush, right? Rush says offensive things all the time, yet he stays on the air. Why? I dunno. It can't really be explained, why it is a big headline when a celeb, here one who most people had not even heard of, says something really stupid. Imus, Michael Richards, Alec Baldwin, Mel Gibson, and on and on. Headline: A famous person said or did something stupid. You have to stop and say "who the hell cares?" Does one nonsensical disturbing comment define a person? It does matter, a little, if a player in the industry makes offensive remarks, but should the entire culture be collectively offended? Then they/we deserve it.

But I don't believe that the whole media collective went after Imus because of Big Pharma. He does have a radio show at present. Certainly NBC  wouldn't Want to recieve flack. It would be a waste of time to try to convince me.

by Cricketmite on 02/01/2009 11:42:46 AM EST

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It was more than one thing, for second or third time. Yes the final straw was Nappy Headed Ho's. You win. Do you think he came up with that on his own? It was a comedy bit from somewhere else.

Al Sharpton, your boy, led this huge fake outcry and rallied the troops against Imus, including going after the advertisers,  but did nothing about the "magic negro" which did make it's way to fox. He also did nothing about the comment Bill’o the Clown made about expecting a black restaurant to be full of thugs and gangsters yelling hey mf'r where my ice tea. He was with Bill'o at the time.

He was on Fox's payroll as their token Uncle Tom, and he did their bidding. That how he makes his money, look it up for yourself.

If they canned Phil for anti-war position, why would you think anyone else would be different?Imus had turned on the war and his republican base for the most part. I don't know if you know who runs big pharma, but ain't the boy scouts. Certainly it was not enough to be fired for given the appology and suspension.

I will tell you how fucked up MSNBC is, the day they had the huge media circus w/the the girls team they had Tom Delay on to discuss it and pump some book or web site. Yes that would be the guy that protected the sex slave trade in Mariana Islands.

But in your favor, they have made some moves at MSNBC since all of this happened. So going forward, you may be right. Regardless,&nbs p;David Gregory is a piece shit sell out.

But as you said I have no hard proof just a lot of examples and a money trail.

by sisco66 on 02/01/2009 04:47:42 PM EST

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for the comment he made. I flipped past the View. They wondered whethe Bill is a racist for making those comments. Bill said his comments were "misinterpreted" not intended as an insult.

Rush is like the unsinkable Titanic. He sticks around because he is a pillar of the rabid right. How can he keep up the blustering day after day? Now we know. Drugs. He won't be around much longer. Now his job is to rant about "socialism," and lurking for a moment to target Obama.

by Cricketmite on 02/02/2009 12:09:36 AM EST

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I think Imus used the same excuse. But he was a repeat offender. Oberman hated him. I don't think that helped.

Anyway, I think NBC and it's bastard children set the tone over the weekend and this morning. Unless Rachel and Keith are going all in against supply side ecomomics and start countering their other hosts,  we are going to have some issues.

The fucking media is killing this country, and the dems are not helping themselves.

by sisco66 on 02/02/2009 07:49:08 PM EST

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I can't understand why any member would not be supporting TYT to do bigger and better things. TYT is the real progressive  movement. I would love for some one who is not a millionaire to start speaking for the people in prime time. Plus, Cenk is one of the funniest guys ever. 

by joshny on 01/31/2009 11:45:22 AM EST

The reason I am opposed to Cenk's shooting for this, if first it's doomed to failure. So why should I boost him up? Secondly he has other things to concern himself, namely his Satellite and Youtube shows, which are currently stuck, so he is pressuring himself. Thirdly he is underestimating the power of radio and internet. These are growing media forces, and Cenk will grow with them. Growth takes time.

I would go so far as to say that I would choose Donahue over Cenk if there was a choice between them. Donahue has more experience in television talk. Cenk's leaving the web to become rich on TV would be like desertion.

But there isn't such a choice. Donahue is one of the frontrunners. Cenk is not. Opportunity is knocking for MSNBC to have a 3 hour block of prime time dem/lib/progressive whatever, talking points.

by Cricketmite on 01/31/2009 02:32:48 PM EST

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Click Here to see the latest response from TVnewswer regarding our efforts.

by ihavenobias on 01/31/2009 03:25:36 PM EST

Hey, don't mean to be too pesky, I am part Cricket y'know, but I don't just shoo, cause I'm also mighty, hence the name.

I would just like to repost a letter I mailed to Mr Uygur, so that people will know where I am coming from on this. I think there will be more reads here than on an original post, so if criticisms your game, lets have at it.;

Hello, this is a message for Cenk Urgar and the staff of TYT;
First of all I am a fan of this show. Recently I have been following it about daily on Youtube. I heard Cenk talk about an opening on MSNBC. I posted several comments on the thread with the name: Cricketmite. My feeling on this is that Cenk should not get his hopes up, but he should try because he deserves it and is a good reporter/commentator.

According to Cenk, Rachel Maddow is the only Progressive host on television. I think Maddow got her show partly because she is friends with Keith Olberman, and because she is a Genius Lesbian Goddess. Cenk is only a mortal on youtube. (joke)

But I digress, seriously, I think Donahue should get this postion. Donahue has name recognition, and is super-likable. Donahue worked for MSNBC for about a year, and he was fired because of his anti-war stance. There was a leaked internal memo from MSNBC where they revealt that this was the reason, not ratings because his ratings were high. He competed directly with Bill O'Reilly. Donahue has debated with O'Reilly. At the time of his firing the media trend was in favor of war. They needed to compete with flag waving FOX, they said. About a year after this they hired Olberman and he has been very successful. Maddow then followed suit.

I tried to write an online petition to MSNBC to persuade them. The time I wrote it was around the toppling of Saddam's statue, and the Mission Accomplished banner. Of course it made no difference. One petition on a website, getting a few hundred virtual signatures over the course of a year. I didn't have the wherewithal, knowhow, or influence to reach them. I don't know how to make a website, or once making it, how to get people to go there. The title of the petition was something like: Let's Nominate Phil Donahue for National Talk Show Host. That was a very long time ago, and this is no longer a relevant issue, or is it? Since then I wondered if there would be an opening at MSNBC for a time slot, at a time when the nation trend is toward the Democrats.

That is why I am writing this letter. I have no sphere of influence to effect this change. I think you should try for the job. I think you should also back Donahue for the job,in order to change what we can see on our televisions. I think that Donahue is not too old for this job. Old people watch TV too. I think he would take the job and be good at it.

thank you and keep up the good reporting,
Sincerely,

by Cricketmite on 01/31/2009 04:37:47 PM EST

I just saw Cenk talking to R. Maddow in an interview about bloggers or something. This means Maddow still has roots in upstarts and she'll listen. Cenk relays my message about Phil. Then Maddow has Olberman's ear, the two big ratings people on MSNBC on board, and it's Gold.

On top of this there could be an online petition. This can  actually be free of cost, but when posted on a free site, it would be lost in the shuffel of hundreds of petitions. So there would need be other sites linking to it, and maybe a blog or site concerning it.

Then if Cenk could also mention my name, Cricketmite, when he contacts Rachel, and ask if She is the kind of urban intelligencia who is in favor of a menag e' trois, or if she is in need of a butler and/or assistant, as I am currently unemployed and also single.

Then we would be Solid.

by Cricketmite on 01/31/2009 05:07:00 PM EST

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msnbc is good but I'd rather have him replace colmes on fox

by nmaks on 01/31/2009 10:28:21 PM EST

yeah, wouldnt that be great

by DrT on 02/01/2009 06:43:37 AM EST

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It has been a long time, but I do remember watching Donahue on MSNBC.  He was not good in the format.  Even if Donahue had high ratings then, he was practically the only game in town.  Cenk, otoh, is very entertaining and that is a great format for him.  I think of Cenk as being more like Rachel, fresh new talent.  I read (quite possibly on TVNewser) that Rachel did lobby for her show, that MSNBC was dragging its feet, so Rachel approached Fox, which caused MSNBC to move.  I don't know if Olbermann lobbied for her as well, but she did analyst-segments on his show and filled in for KO many times as well as occasionally for DG.

I don't know how much t.v. Cenk has done, but it is a great way to audition.  If Cenk has opportunities or can make opportunities to be on t.v., he should.  It is also too bad that tyt was dropped from AA.  It was great advertising.  That is how I became a fan and now a member.  (I am new to tyt and wonder what the deal is/was w/AA.)  Imo, there is no contest between him and Dohahue.

Ed Schultz, otoh, has appeal as someone mentioned in an earlier post.  I think that he would be very good and could expand the white working class male demographic.  But, Cenk would definitely have a greater appeal to the youth demographic which is the future, not to mention the sought-after demo for the network execs.  Youth of all shades too.

I vote for Cenk, hands down.  But he has to make his breaks like Rachel did and find opportunities.  He should be doing that anyway; he is definitely talented and seems to be very ambitious.   Go Cenk!

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