01/04/2009 08:05:22 PM EST

armenian Genocide on TYT ?

posted by moogly81

Since Cenk is turkish and Ana is armenian, it would be very interesting to see what they have to say about the armenian genocide. I haven't seen anything on the youtube channel.

It would be a good occasion to see an open-minded discussion on the subject between a turk and an armenian. 


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Would you like the see how Cenk &amp; Ana discuss the armenian genocide on the show ?
yes 34%
no 21%
don't care 43%

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armenian Genocide on TYT ? | 19 comments (19 topical, 1 hidden)
4 days into the year. New record? (none / 1)

Sorry, Moogly, but that comes up every few months. You may be the closest to a New Year's First Post On Armenian Genocide record spot, though.

It has been discussed on the show and here in the forum on many occasions and all of them eventually seem to boil down to "yeah, bad shit happened." What else is there really to discuss?

More power to you to get another conversation going on here, but it really isn't something **I** want them to go on at length about during the show. But that's just me, other people might think differently. The main person you need to convince that it's a worthy topic is Cenk.

Good luck with that...

by MedfordTim on 01/04/2009 10:24:29 PM EST

unfortunately (none / 0)
Nobody outside of a few Armenians care about this.

by schmoab on 01/04/2009 10:53:29 PM EST

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Tim (none / 0)
Next time just refer the poster to the youtube clip on this topic.

by Tom Hanc on 01/04/2009 11:26:22 PM EST

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this is dumb (none / 0)
Neither Ana nor Cenk are experts in this field, being Turkish or Armenian does not make one qualified to talk about history, so I personally don't care what either one of them have to say about the matter.

TYT also has a black dude and a white dude, so lets talk about slavery. And the Jewish guy can talk about WWII Germany.

great suggestion though, every time I see a black person and a white person I like to ask them to sit down and have a discussion about slavery, the civil war and Martin Luther King.  Its a great ice breaker.

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by chrisandyasemin on 01/05/2009 12:44:50 PM EST

Is it worth disussing? of course! (none / 0)

Hi everyone,

MedfordTim  told me , this subject comes up a lot, many people ask themthelve this question, so ti's really  something people want to know. It's totally worth discussing, because Cenk is in a unique position to make the case for or aginst it. As a turkish american host, he would not be viewed as turkish propaganda, nor american propaganda. He would argue without slogans, like he always does. Very few people on either side  ave the credibility that Cenk has on this subject, that's why I was interested in his advice.

It's pretty common to have a black guy and a white guy on a show. But how many times do you see a turk and an armenian? I just thought it would be worth hearing how they feel about this.

But If no one is interested, let's move to someting else...

by moogly81 on 01/05/2009 08:00:02 PM EST

they have discussed it on the show (none / 0)
i'll see if i can find some of the clip links

by sfinneganus on 01/06/2009 05:57:37 AM EST

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thanks (none / 0)

That would be really appreciated. 

Maybe it's worth renaming some of theese clips. If they can be found easily, it would prevent this toppic from recurring. 

by moogly81 on 01/06/2009 08:53:35 AM EST

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Here is how it works (none / 1)

Someone, a relative newbie like yourself, mentions Armenian genocide. Someone else (correctly) makes the point that just because Cenk is Turkish does not mean he has a special insight into the topic. Others (Medford Tim is a given) jump in and scream at you for bringing up something that has been "done to death" and is "past history"; thus irrelevant. A no-name poster chimes in with "it never happened, so why discuss it?". A link is provided to a rather alarming letter Cenk wrote in his student days that flies in the face of evidence and insists the stories of genocide are all propaganda. Cenk himself never weighs in. Alleged YouTube links promising a revised take on the Uygur view do not materialize.

Repeat as necessary.

 

  

by ashbul on 01/06/2009 12:11:32 PM EST

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yes, but... (none / 1)

Cenk being turikish makes him more likely to care.

I was in the USA, some years ago, when a controversy about switzerland was discussed by senator D'Amato. It regarded the money form the holocaust's victims that was sitting in the swiss banks and never returned to the survivors. Some of my friends have asked me " Hey, you're swiss, what do you think about  the swiss banks stealing holcaust's vicitms?" I answered them the best I could. I thought it was a legitimate question to ask me, and as a swiss, I had another point of view that was worth listening to. And as a swiss I was more likely to care. For the exact same reasons, Cenk's opinion about the genocide will more interesting that another american citizen's advice. 

by moogly81 on 01/06/2009 01:30:08 PM EST

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Cenk's view (none / 0)
""...it's the least relevant issue in the whole wide world..." Cenk Uygur, refering to the question on Armenian Genocide at Turkish Americans for Obama event on November 05, 2008, youtube clip at 2:49.

http://www.youtube.com/watc h?v=pthH-h8V3X4

by roufat on 01/06/2009 05:23:56 PM EST

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"Scream"?? (none / 0)

WTF are you talking about?

by MedfordTim on 01/06/2009 04:56:12 PM EST

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Just so: (none / 0)
http://www.theyoungturks.co m/comments/2008/3/3/14450/3 3428/2#2

by ashbul on 01/06/2009 11:18:46 PM EST

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Once again (none / 0)

WTF are you talking about? I know what I wrote.

by MedfordTim on 01/07/2009 12:19:52 AM EST

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For passers by... (none / 1)

Ashbul has said that my "normal" reaction is to "scream" at people who bring up this issue. Instead of showing in this thread's contribution an example of me "screaming" at the poster, he directs me to another thread where my reaction to the intial posting was "Oh, shut up!"

Moogly asked in a nice way and I believe my advice that he had to convince Cenk it was a worthy topic is sound.

The other poster headed his screed with a demand: "Cenk Uygur owes us explanation regarding Armenian Genocide."
 
A little different tone going on there. It is INSANE to think that Cenk owes an explanation about something that he wasn't around for. If anything, I was surprisingly gentle with that bozo...

by MedfordTim on 01/07/2009 12:33:33 AM EST

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Tim, (none / 0)

I admit you were polite this time. I was referring more to dismissive replies like shmoab's.

You are wrong (still) about the older thread referenced above. Those interested can go look and decide for themselves.

 

 

by ashbul on 01/07/2009 01:04:57 AM EST

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Evidence, what evidence? (none / 0)
Ashbul, the scholars to this day debate the nature of the events in 1915. Prominent historians such Bernand Lewis, Gunther Lewy and Justin McCarthy do not believe the events should be characterized as genocide.

As for Cenk, the closest he gets to articulating his position on the issue most recently is this youtube clip http://www.youtube.com/watc h?v=pthH-h8V3X4

by roufat on 01/06/2009 05:19:26 PM EST

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